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Topic: Science > Philosophy
User: "Saville"
Date: 25 Dec 2005 06:56:32 PM
Object: 9 months to live!
A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer
And given 9 months to live!
It got me thinking,
"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?
Saville.
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User: "Dutch"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 05:38:29 PM
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?

If my answer was not "Live as am living now", then I would change how I am
living now.
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User: "Dare"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 26 Dec 2005 07:49:48 AM
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?

It's interesting that a death sentence often "sets you free"
to do what you had always wanted to do but didn't...
when the worst has already happened,
there's not much left to worry about.
Would that we could find a way to live like that all along.
Would being given 9 months to live change your Philosophical views?
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User: "Fluidly Unsure"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 05:16:45 PM
Dare wrote:

"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
news:4dHrf.25766$zt1.9015@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



It's interesting that a death sentence often "sets you free"
to do what you had always wanted to do but didn't...
when the worst has already happened,
there's not much left to worry about.
Would that we could find a way to live like that all along.

Would being given 9 months to live change your Philosophical views?






I would spend a month or two trying to forget what I recently learned and then
go on and live as I normally do.
--
Liquid
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User: "Brian Fletcher"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 26 Dec 2005 11:04:58 AM
If you are not doing it anyway you are not fully living.
How do you know you havn't?
BOfL
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User: "Brian Fletcher"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 27 Dec 2005 07:52:01 PM
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



Saville.

Get a ten month loan, and book a ticket to Lourdes.
B
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User: "steveo"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 28 Dec 2005 09:59:00 PM
"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



Saville.

Get a ten month loan, and book a ticket to Lourdes.

B

Wouldn't you come back as a dung beetle for engaging in something so
devious?
steveo
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User: "Brian Fletcher"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 04:44:06 AM
"steveo" <gnsemail@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



Saville.

Get a ten month loan, and book a ticket to Lourdes.

B


Wouldn't you come back as a dung beetle for engaging in something so
devious?

steveo

Thats silly. How could a dung beetle pay off his back loan.???
Anyway, I happen to love it here, and dont mind paying the piper !!!
BOfL



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User: "steveo"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 28 Dec 2005 10:02:06 PM
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?

Make sure I spent a lot of time with my friends and family. And go
skydiving and to the Louvre.
Anybody who answers with some life-changing, major alteration answer ought
to just make that change now, because their life as they are presently
living it is not being found meaningful.
Hope the doctors are wrong in this case!
steveo
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User: "Brian Fletcher"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 04:48:39 AM
"steveo" <gnsemail@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?


Make sure I spent a lot of time with my friends and family. And go
skydiving and to the Louvre.

Anybody who answers with some life-changing, major alteration answer ought
to just make that change now, because their life as they are presently
living it is not being found meaningful.

Hope the doctors are wrong in this case!

steveo

One day, we will all have nine months to go.
..972000, 972199 and counting......(itmt get on with living life as if
there is no tomorrow, because there isn't).
BOfL



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User: "Fluidly Unsure"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 12:48:35 PM
Brian Fletcher wrote:

"steveo" <gnsemail@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
news:4dHrf.25766$zt1.9015@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?


Make sure I spent a lot of time with my friends and family. And go
skydiving and to the Louvre.

Anybody who answers with some life-changing, major alteration answer ought
to just make that change now, because their life as they are presently
living it is not being found meaningful.

Hope the doctors are wrong in this case!

steveo



One day, we will all have nine months to go.

..972000, 972199 and counting......(itmt get on with living life as if
there is no tomorrow, because there isn't).

If that's what you want, that's your business.
Myself and others don't like the idea of wandering around aimlessly with no
long-term goals. While others claim they can, I cannot shoot an arrow without
aiming. If I don't know where the arrow will land I shouldn't shoot it in the
first place. Complete disregard for consequences is as bad as ill intent
(someone who aimed the arrow at anothers heart.)
There's nothing wrong with redoing your earlier years with the restraints you've
learned in later years. But to ignore the possible long term consequences of
your actions could affect others in a very negative way.

BOfL




--
Liquid
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User: ""

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 31 Dec 2005 09:48:04 PM
Eternity accomodates all projections.
You dont actually know where the arrow will land, and more importantly,
the consequences thereof. No more than the artist knows where his
creation will go and with what consequence. He just "does" it.
One doesnt develop a disregard for consequences. On the contrary.
Karmic attatchments are "very" real.
"I" have a mind, and "it" indulges in past and future.
Mentally, I'm excited about paying off mortgages, in the "mean" time. I
Love living where I am.
All part of integration.
BOfL
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User: "Fluidly Unsure"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 01 Jan 2006 03:11:41 AM
wrote:

Eternity accomodates all projections.

You dont actually know where the arrow will land, and more importantly,
the consequences thereof. No more than the artist knows where his
creation will go and with what consequence. He just "does" it.

No I don't. But I do still need to try. There is a good chance I'll miss the
target but I still need to have a goal to try for. Even though I know I'm
fooling myself.
It's like when I'm playing interpretive jazz. There is always a
melody/harmony/rhythm implied. Otherwise the music would sound terrible to me
so why even try? (Unless I'm just experimenting.)
If I was to think that there was no tomorrow, I think I would just fold-up in a
cocoon and quit interacting with the world.

One doesnt develop a disregard for consequences. On the contrary.
Karmic attatchments are "very" real.

Sometimes people do ignore consequences. Like that kid that recently killed a
woman by shooting a gun in the sky in NYC. He was excited about going home, but
now he is extremely remorseful.


"I" have a mind, and "it" indulges in past and future.

Mentally, I'm excited about paying off mortgages, in the "mean" time. I
Love living where I am.

But living as if there was no tomorrow is taken to mean that one should pretend
there is no loan in the first place.
Maybe that thought process is useful when there is an apparent limit of 9
months. Thinking the limit is within arms length could be an emotional barrier
to living at all. Disregard may break that barrier.
But the rest of ones life is a different story.

All part of integration.

I was using a common analogy used by Zen Buddhists. My understanding of Zen is
that the ultimate goal (there we go again) is to avoid all empirical knowledge
and only use intuition when it comes to satori. While Zen claims rituals
interfere with arriving, there are people who need them to show part of the way.
I'm just saying I can't do things their way completely. I need to know at least
where the entrance is so I can work the rest by feeling the walls. The hard part
here is to avoid too much reliance on rituals. I don't think I am, but it sounds
like justification so I could be fooling myself.


BOfL

--
Liquid
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User: "Brian Fletcher"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 01 Jan 2006 03:39:01 PM
"Fluidly Unsure" <dripping@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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brianf@iinet.net.au wrote:

Eternity accomodates all projections.

You dont actually know where the arrow will land, and more importantly,
the consequences thereof. No more than the artist knows where his
creation will go and with what consequence. He just "does" it.


No I don't. But I do still need to try. There is a good chance I'll miss
the
target but I still need to have a goal to try for. Even though I know I'm
fooling myself.

Ever see Skywalked in dialouge with Yoda, in Star Wars '2'?
"There is no try, you either do or dont do" Sounds more convincing with a
Yoda voice ;-))


It's like when I'm playing interpretive jazz. There is always a
melody/harmony/rhythm implied. Otherwise the music would sound terrible
to me
so why even try? (Unless I'm just experimenting.)

You are "moving through" the music.


If I was to think that there was no tomorrow, I think I would just fold-up
in a
cocoon and quit interacting with the world.

Keep thinking, but not at the expence of being.
It is exhillerating to be "at one with the music" and then hear it played
back. The best of both worlds. Both worlds exist.

One doesnt develop a disregard for consequences. On the contrary.
Karmic attatchments are "very" real.


Sometimes people do ignore consequences. Like that kid that recently
killed a
woman by shooting a gun in the sky in NYC. He was excited about going
home, but
now he is extremely remorseful.


"I" have a mind, and "it" indulges in past and future.

Mentally, I'm excited about paying off mortgages, in the "mean" time. I
Love living where I am.


But living as if there was no tomorrow is taken to mean that one should
pretend
there is no loan in the first place.

This is not about pretend, but about responsibility for ones actions.


Maybe that thought process is useful when there is an apparent limit of 9
months. Thinking the limit is within arms length could be an emotional
barrier
to living at all. Disregard may break that barrier.

But the rest of ones life is a different story.

All part of integration.


I was using a common analogy used by Zen Buddhists. My understanding of
Zen is
that the ultimate goal (there we go again) is to avoid all empirical
knowledge
and only use intuition when it comes to satori. While Zen claims rituals
interfere with arriving, there are people who need them to show part of
the way.

Zen , of itself , is only part of the Way. Any 'conjunction' of group
consciouosness is a obstacle to self realisation. Obstacles exist to allow
development self awareness.


I'm just saying I can't do things their way completely.

There is no "their way". I'm trying desperately not to quote Sinatra here
hehehehe...

I need to know at least
where the entrance is so I can work the rest by feeling the walls. The
hard part
here is to avoid too much reliance on rituals. I don't think I am, but it
sounds
like justification so I could be fooling myself.

The mind needs rituals. You don't.
BOfL



BOfL



--

Liquid

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User: "Bob"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 01 Jan 2006 02:22:43 AM
On 31 Dec 2005 19:48:04 -0800,
wrote:

Eternity accomodates all projections.

You dont actually know where the arrow will land, and more importantly,
the consequences thereof. No more than the artist knows where his
creation will go and with what consequence. He just "does" it.

One doesnt develop a disregard for consequences. On the contrary.
Karmic attatchments are "very" real.

"I" have a mind, and "it" indulges in past and future.

Mentally, I'm excited about paying off mortgages, in the "mean" time. I
Love living where I am.

All part of integration.

That's some awesome ***** you smoke.
.





User: "AKA gray asphalt"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 27 Dec 2005 03:37:57 PM
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message news:4dHrf.25766$zt1.9015@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



Saville.

A friend or aquaintance? What's he/she going
to do? I couldn't get through my own denial
in 9 months. Do that person have a will, if they
need one? What else can be done to make the
change as easy as possible?
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User: "EvolBob"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 26 Dec 2005 02:11:01 AM
I'd get a second opinion...
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message news:4dHrf.25766$zt1.9015@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer
And given 9 months to live!
It got me thinking,
"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?
Saville.
.

User: "AKA gray asphalt"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 27 Dec 2005 03:44:41 PM
I'd talk to the people at "The Center for Attitudinal
Healing". I don't suppose there is a chance in H that
anyone would do that, but I've been there with a group
of kids that had "life threatening illness" like leukemia
and brain tumors and they were at peace and there isn't
anyone who can talk to another person like someone
who is going through the same thing or someone who
has experienced a miracle and gotten over a death
sentence.
It's located at Sausalito, CA.
http://www.localcommunities.org/servlet/lc_ProcServ/dbpage=page&mode=display&gid=01004011550947263615155189
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message news:4dHrf.25766$zt1.9015@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



Saville.


.

User: "ta"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 02:15:10 PM
Saville wrote:

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?



Saville.

I'd start writing down everything I could remember that was valuable,
useful, and meaningful -- bits of wisdom and life lessons etc. Not only
could this information be passed down to others, but I think writing
down your thoughts also has a sort of healing effect.
Wow, I feel better already. ;-)
Actually, keeping a daily or weekly journal of some sort is probably a
good idea for everyone. I should start doing that.
And if I were still physically able, I'd hop on the next plane to New
Zealand with the loveliest lady I could find. :-)
.
User: "Bob"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 03:02:25 PM
On 29 Dec 2005 12:15:10 -0800, "ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote:

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?

Wow, I feel better already. ;-)

Get a physician who is bright enough to prescribe a morphine patch.
Then become as free as possible.
The goal of life is death, and if you want your life to have the
greatest meaning, you must live it as freely as you can.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece.
One should rather skid in broadside, thoroughly used up,
totally worn out, loudly proclaiming 'WOW! WHAT A RIDE!' "
--Hrariden
"The secret of reaping the greatest enjoyment from life is to live
dangerously!"
--Nietzsche
--
Merry Christmas!
http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.html
.


User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 26 Dec 2005 01:28:17 PM
Saville wrote:

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?

I would review my mode of thinking and root out all the crap that would
make me unjustifiably aroused and emotional.
"What disturbs people's minds are not events but their judgements on
events..."
"Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish; but
wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have a
tranquil flow of life..."
"Men are not worried by things, but by their ideas about things. When
we meet difficulties, become anxious or troubled, let us not blame
others, but rather ourselves, that is: our idea about things ... Some
things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions are up to
us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is our doing.
Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our reputations, or
our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our own doing..."
--Epictetus (Roman Slave)
http://www.google.com/search?q=3Depictetus
..=2E.almost all human emotions and behaviours are the result of what
people think, assume or believe (about themselves, other people, and
the world in general). It is what people believe about situations they
face - not the situations themselves - that determines how they
feel and behave.
A useful way to illustrate the role of cognition is by using Ellis'
'ABC' model. In this framework 'A' represents an actual event
or experience, and the person's 'inferences' or interpretations
as to what is happening. 'B' represents the 'evaluative'
beliefs that follow from these inferences. 'C' repre=ADsents the
emotions and behaviours that follow from those evaluative beliefs.
A1. Activating event - what happened:
Told that I have lung cancer and might not live more than 9 months.
A2. Inferences about what happened:
I can or cannot be happy during those 9 months.
B=2E Beliefs about A:
I believe that I will be happy or not based upon automatic thinking and
habits that might or might not be truthful interpretations.
C=2E Reaction:
Emotions: From depressed to happy, depending upon how much I stoically
control my own thought process and inadvertently my emotional moods and
arousal states.
Behaviours: displaying the emotions I chose.
Therefore I am alone completely responsible for my reaction to getting
this disease.
http://www.rational.org.nz/prof/docs/intro-rebt.htm
Catastrophe scale: this is a useful technique to get awfulising into
perspective. On a whiteboard or sheet of paper, draw a line down one
side. Put 100% at the top, 0% at the bottom, and 10% intervals in
between. Ask the client to rate whatever it is they are catastrophising
about, and insert that item into the chart in the appropriate place.
Then, fill in the other levels with items the client thinks apply to
those levels. You might, for example, put 0%: 'Having a quiet cup of
coffee at home', 20%: 'Having to mow the lawns when the rugby is on
television', 70%: being burgled, 90%: being diagnosed with cancer,
100%: being burned alive, and so on. Finally, have the client
progressively alter the position of their feared item on the scale,
until it is in perspective in relation to the other items.
http://www.rational.org.nz/prof/docs/intro-rebt.htm
Then I would proceed to 9 months of contented living whatever
happens...
Hurting is for fools.
http://images.google.com/images?q=3Dbugs
Then I would try and survive longer than they said by productive
living.

=20
=20
Saville.

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User: "Dianelos Georgoudis"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 29 Dec 2005 05:15:05 PM
Saville wrote:

A friend of mine has been diagnosed with lung cancer

And given 9 months to live!

It got me thinking,

"What would you do, if you were given 9 months to live"?

I would do all the good I miss doing now as I worry so much about my
future.
.

User: "Robert Cohen"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 25 Dec 2005 07:56:54 PM
re: last 9 months
day 274: call/e-mail Greyhound and Eurail for their best under 9 month
travel deals, but they don't get back until month 10, a little too late
day 273: fly to geneva, go to alternative lung cancer clinic, don't tip
the driver because i may not see the @#$%^&*()_+ crooked taxi sob (who
probably takes me the longgggg way) anyhow
day 272: decide that de-alcoholed furniture polish is still a little
too strong, and find a different cabbie to take me to bus station for
amsterdam
day 271: arrested at the border-crossing for sourpuss look on
face--they then take me to the Zeder zee zoo to scare the pirana snake
into behaving itself, and then let me go into denmark (for some reason
they're laffing)
day 270: i go to movie & see the ghost of Danny Kaye, HANS CHRISTIAN
ANDERSON, the most boring memory of an otherwise terrific childhood
day 269: the movie popcorn is annoyingly caught in my teeth, so i get a
ballpeen hammer and...
day 268: i hitch to Baden Baden to see what the public library has in
the recent book section, but because i don't speakensee their quaint
delicate native lingo, i go the autobahn in order to compare it with
President Eisenhower's "defense highway program," and knowingly know
more about where he stole the super-highway idea from
day 267: i get a phone card, but still can't figure how to dial their
primitive rinky-dinky telephones, or where i'm supposed spit
carcinogenic red coon tobacco juice
day 266: i ride under an orient express train car to istanbul, the
whole time singing,: "istanbul-constantinople,
istanbul-constantinople...."
day 265: i now only have 265 more days, so i dive into the bospherous
straits from the constantinople-tallahatchie bridge
day 264: Cretian fishermen resuce me, and they just don't get my
fantastic joke about them being "Cretins"
day 263: The humorless fishmen dump me on the Greek side
day 262: I do my Zorba impression, and they give me some bakalava,
though because i'm a diabetic with a cholesterol problem, I engorge the
pastry and beg for more since what the h
day 261: they dump me into italy, and since there are no jokes to make
about prudent, careful, safety conscious italian drivers, i go to
luxembourg & licthenstein
day 260: since i happen to know the licht family in the states, i feel
very at home in the cheerful place until i notice they read my mind and
duly beat me for thinking of ideas
day 259: i sneak into an "If This Is Tuesday, It Must Be Another
European Country" tour, and pretty soon it's Wedneday and so we're
flying back to Des Moines
day 258: i save-up 64 wendy medium-size drink cups and thus take a
plane to dothan alabama where i'm prematurely now dead-on-arrival from
air nausea, or maybe i die of boredumb at the dothan picture show's
bruce willis movie festival...
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User: "Bret Cahill"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 25 Dec 2005 08:46:20 PM
Obtain a gun and photo of bin Laden and head for the mountains of
Pakistan.
Bret Cahill
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User: "steveo"

Title: Re: 9 months to live! 28 Dec 2005 10:03:45 PM
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1135565180.807540.312380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Obtain a gun and photo of bin Laden and head for the mountains of
Pakistan.

You realize the irony of your response, right Bret?
Why don't you join the Marines and go find him? They patrol Waziristan
(sp?) daily looking for him.
steveo
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