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"Brian Fletcher" |
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22 Dec 2005 08:07:15 PM |
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A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
23 Dec 2005 01:21:47 PM |
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
For people who have no capacity for laughter in their bones, Nietzsche's
Beyond Good and Evil might do the trick. Or alternatively Thus Spoke
Zarathustra if one does not understand Zarathustra's laughter.
BS
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
23 Dec 2005 08:25:08 PM |
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"Bill Snyder" <wsnyder@sciti.com> wrote in message
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
For people who have no capacity for laughter in their bones, Nietzsche's
Beyond Good and Evil might do the trick. Or alternatively Thus Spoke
Zarathustra if one does not understand Zarathustra's laughter.
BS
I was thinking of "The Universal Book Of Answers"...but I havnt got arund to
writing it yet....:-)
Don't wish to become "absolutely" unpopular ;-)
BOfL
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
23 Dec 2005 08:42:21 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
--
Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
*************************
Phrase of the week :
"Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"
-- Me, 2005
:-))))Snort!)
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| User: "tooly" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
24 Dec 2005 07:13:29 PM |
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
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Wow...talk about a scrooge on Christmas Eve...ha.
But doesn't this mean, by your own judgement, that YOU are then confused,
deceitful, and meaningless?
And why should anyone listen to anyone deceitful? Or confused? Who has
nothing better to say than we are
meaningless?
Deeper understanding is not creating by simply 'sinking' to the depths and
eventually drowning. But...sinking to the depths and then re-emerging, able
to swim all the better.
If what you say is true, then the 'responsible' thing would be to 'help
carry the load'...to realize we are faced with a dire course to survive.
Needling those that are attempting to lead us somewhere, catcalling their
delusions/illusions as airy nothingness...while offering nothing of
substance to replace the dreams we live upon...well, that's irresponsble
IMHO.
When I ask myself why I stopped believing [when I have]...I come to realize
it is all about my own fallacies, shortcomings, my own failings. I am then
a fox without a tail...trying to convince all foxes to cut their own tails
off...to somehow raise my own significanse in the emptiness I find in my
aloneness; when the truth of the matter is my own unhappiness.
It's Christmas...and my prayers are for you guys...that happiness comes your
way. It is a good time upon the Earth relatively speaking. No major wars
are upon us; material abundance is at an all time high. We grow fat and
sassy...and though there are always problems, I try and remember times when
the planet has been at war or in depression and realize today may not last
forever. So, I try and savor NOW and be appreciative of whatever it has
been that has allowed it to be.
Anyway, there are no bad sorts on this NG. I wish you all not just a Merry
Christmas...but that perhaps also some mind and heart changing events come
your way in the coming days that might allow you to re-embrace something
more than 'confusion, deceit, and meaningless'.
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| User: "Turtoni" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
24 Dec 2005 07:56:04 PM |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
--
Wow...talk about a scrooge on Christmas Eve...ha.
But doesn't this mean, by your own judgement, that YOU are then confused,
deceitful, and meaningless?
And why should anyone listen to anyone deceitful? Or confused? Who has
nothing better to say than we are
meaningless?
Deeper understanding is not creating by simply 'sinking' to the depths and
eventually drowning. But...sinking to the depths and then re-emerging,
able to swim all the better.
If what you say is true, then the 'responsible' thing would be to 'help
carry the load'...to realize we are faced with a dire course to survive.
Needling those that are attempting to lead us somewhere, catcalling their
delusions/illusions as airy nothingness...while offering nothing of
substance to replace the dreams we live upon...well, that's irresponsble
IMHO.
When I ask myself why I stopped believing [when I have]...I come to
realize it is all about my own fallacies, shortcomings, my own failings.
I am then a fox without a tail...trying to convince all foxes to cut their
own tails off...to somehow raise my own significanse in the emptiness I
find in my aloneness; when the truth of the matter is my own unhappiness.
It's Christmas...and my prayers are for you guys...that happiness comes
your way. It is a good time upon the Earth relatively speaking. No major
wars are upon us; material abundance is at an all time high. We grow fat
and sassy...and though there are always problems, I try and remember times
when the planet has been at war or in depression and realize today may not
last forever. So, I try and savor NOW and be appreciative of whatever it
has been that has allowed it to be.
Anyway, there are no bad sorts on this NG. I wish you all not just a
Merry Christmas...but that perhaps also some mind and heart changing
events come your way in the coming days that might allow you to re-embrace
something more than 'confusion, deceit, and meaningless'.
I think any of you that tackle this notion completely miss the point. It's
all the confusing, deceitful and meaningless stories that we invent that
have created the environment we live in and that we whine about. Metzinger
explains how this insanity occurs.
HTH.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
25 Dec 2005 09:51:40 AM |
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
SNIP
I think any of you that tackle this notion completely miss the point.
Was this supposed to be a retrospective? It reads like a prophecy.
It's all the confusing, deceitful and meaningless stories that we invent
that have created the environment we live in and that we whine about.
Metzinger explains how this insanity occurs.
He obviously doesn't explain why. (not that I have read him..I know you
wouldn't have missed it if he had have).
When one cell divides, a story commences, and develops on what appears to be
a chaotic journey, which sometimes *appears* to be "confusing, deceitful and
meaningless".
Appears that is , to the observer (of course).
(Our group consciousness is now aware of a connecting code.)
If you consider that "self" is actually manifested as the one cell, when it
divides, it doesn't 'lose' itself, it actually goes on a journey of
con-fusion. After a "saturated mass" of experiences (which is bound to
appear confusing as "the one" is seeing itself as many), those cells start
to undivide (let down by my vocabulary AGAIN grrrr ;-), where "self"
emerges once again, but now with vast awareness of the totality of the
journey.
The days of whine and rose thorns , dance and run away, like a child at
play.
BOfL
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| User: "Turtoni" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
23 Dec 2005 08:46:03 PM |
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
--
Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
*************************
Phrase of the week :
"Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"
-- Me, 2005
:-))))Snort!)
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hahaha!
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
24 Dec 2005 01:02:26 AM |
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
Only a confused deceiteful fraud would tell them such tales, surely! If not,
who?
BOfL
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| User: "Dare" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
24 Dec 2005 09:58:19 AM |
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:07:15 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
Similarly, I was thinking it would be a book that
made him stop questioning from fear of the answers.
Philosophy does seem exceptionally adaptable, though....
it can expand and evolve to accomodate most concepts
from "soup to nuts"...or from "something to nothing" :-)
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| User: "Turtoni" |
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| Title: Re: A Christmas cracker philosophy riddle |
23 Dec 2005 08:57:17 PM |
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Which book would spoil the philosophers career?
BOfL
"Being No One" by Metzinger.
Sir Frederick wrote:
People don't like being told they are confused,
deceitful, meaningless frauds. They like their confabulated
meaning giving folk lore magic stories.
Our story machine is running on language.
We might break out with some new gas.
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