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"MobyDikc" |
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11 Dec 2007 02:56:23 PM |
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A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 03:16:00 PM |
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On Dec 11, 12:56 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
Haven't we always known that math can model the unknown? What is it
that creates a distiction worth the difference with this idea of yours?
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| User: "MobyDikc" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 04:23:26 PM |
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On Dec 11, 1:16 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:56 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
Haven't we always known that math can model the unknown? What is it
that creates a distiction worth the difference with this idea of yours?
There are plenty of differences between mainstream ideas and mine.
Particularly how the mind works into things.
As far as I can tell, the "hard problem" of explaining the mind from
its neurobiological basis is eliminated.
You'll need to read the paper to get more of the idea.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 04:51:39 PM |
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On Dec 11, 2:23 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 1:16 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:56 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
Haven't we always known that math can model the unknown? What is it
that creates a distiction worth the difference with this idea of yours?
There are plenty of differences between mainstream ideas and mine.
Particularly how the mind works into things.
As far as I can tell, the "hard problem" of explaining the mind from
its neurobiological basis is eliminated.
You'll need to read the paper to get more of the idea.
It seems to me that the only real "hard problem" was philosophers
accepting brain science as it was published.
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| User: "MobyDikc" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 05:27:55 PM |
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On Dec 11, 2:51 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 2:23 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 1:16 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:56 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
Haven't we always known that math can model the unknown? What is it
that creates a distiction worth the difference with this idea of yours?
There are plenty of differences between mainstream ideas and mine.
Particularly how the mind works into things.
As far as I can tell, the "hard problem" of explaining the mind from
its neurobiological basis is eliminated.
You'll need to read the paper to get more of the idea.
It seems to me that the only real "hard problem" was philosophers
accepting brain science as it was published.- Hide quoted text -
This is why trying to boil the idea into a sentence or two in response
to your question is not just a good idea.
The paper itself makes no reference to the hard problem.
It takes a different approach, one that is counter intuitive to the
current science.
You should really read it.
It's only a couple pages long.
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| User: "MobyDikc" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
30 Dec 2007 03:45:47 PM |
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On Dec 11, 1:16 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:56 pm,MobyDikc<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
Haven't we always known that math can model the unknown? What is it
that creates a distiction worth the difference with this idea of yours?
Good question. It took me some time to answer it appropriately.
Here's part of the conclusion in the updated version of the paper:
"The goal worked toward by such a team is a purely mathematical
expression of nature and the mind that until now has only been
expressed as a combination of mathematics, language, philosophy, and
art.
For example, string theory and brane mechanics both posit hidden
dimensions and visible dimensions. But the variables representing all
the dimensions belong to the same physical resource (the computer, or
the paper, or the scientist's head, ect.). We are using language to
express what is going on in the mathematics by saying "these variables
are hidden, and these variables are visible."
In the steps described by this paper, mathematics alone expresses two
sets of information and distinguishes them from each other by storing
them in two different types of resources."
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| User: "John Jones" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
12 Dec 2007 04:38:17 AM |
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On Dec 11, 9:16=EF=BF=BDpm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:56 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
Haven't we always known that math can model the unknown? What is it
that creates a distiction worth the difference with this idea of yours?
Maths can't model the unknown.
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| User: "John Jones" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
12 Dec 2007 04:38:42 AM |
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On Dec 11, 8:56=EF=BF=BDpm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
no refs is a prob
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| User: "MobyDikc" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
30 Dec 2007 03:36:14 PM |
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On Dec 12, 2:38 am, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 8:56=EF=BF=BDpm,MobyDikc<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
no refs is a prob
Do you think I should add some?
It seems Robert Lanza's bio-centric theory of the universe seems to
fit into this new framework.
I don't think any of the statements made in the paper are all that
controversial.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
30 Dec 2007 05:32:38 PM |
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On Dec 30, 12:36 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 2:38 am, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 8:56=EF=BF=BDpm,MobyDikc<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
no refs is a prob
Do you think I should add some?
Why? You aren't doing anything that requires references.
I'm yet to see you compute _anything_ a first year physics student can
do as homework.
It seems Robert Lanza's bio-centric theory of the universe seems to
fit into this new framework.
I don't think any of the statements made in the paper are all that
controversial.
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| User: "Michael Hell" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
30 Dec 2007 05:36:31 PM |
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On Dec 30, 3:32 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 30, 12:36 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 2:38 am, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 8:56=EF=BF=BDpm,MobyDikc<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.=
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
no refs is a prob
Do you think I should add some?
Why? You aren't doing anything that requires references.
I'm yet to see you compute _anything_ a first year physics student can
do as homework.
Do you think I could get into a college?
I don't have much for money.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 03:21:24 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:56:23 -0800 (PST), MobyDikc
<mobydikc@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
So...where is the computation?
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| User: "MobyDikc" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 04:23:44 PM |
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On Dec 11, 1:21 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail-nospam.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:56:23 -0800 (PST), MobyDikc
<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
So...where is the computation?
So... how much of the paper did you read?
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 07:03:03 PM |
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On Dec 11, 1:23 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 1:21 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail-nospam.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:56:23 -0800 (PST), MobyDikc
<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
So...where is the computation?
So... how much of the paper did you read?
All of it. I notice a specific lack of actual physics, much less a way
to compute observable quantities.
Your welcome to prove me wrong by computing the fine structure of
Hydrogen's spectrum using your program, though.
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| User: "BURT" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
11 Dec 2007 07:13:29 PM |
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On Dec 11, 5:03 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 1:23 pm, MobyDikc <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 1:21 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail-nospam.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:56:23 -0800 (PST), MobyDikc
<mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Way to Compute Space, Time, and Matter
A birds-eye view of quantum mechanics, relativity, computing,
neuroscience, and artificial intelligence raises the possibility of
using mathematics to implement a wide variety of ideas including
Leibniz's Monadology and Greek Monism for the first time in history.
http://www.cloudmusiccompany.com/paper.htm
So...where is the computation?
So... how much of the paper did you read?
All of it. I notice a specific lack of actual physics, much less a way
to compute observable quantities.
Your welcome to prove me wrong by computing the fine structure of
Hydrogen's spectrum using your program, though.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Atomic shells don't have funny shapes. They are spherical.
Mitch Raemsch -- My Big Sphere - Hypersphere
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| User: "jjs john" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
12 Dec 2007 07:05:17 AM |
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"BURT" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:34e5ab27-05c1-4a1f-bd2e-3958607b6931@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Atomic shells don't have funny shapes. They are spherical.
The 'shell' is a statistical likelihood of shape at any instant, a metaphor,
a mnemonic.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: A New Way to Compute Space, Time and Matter |
12 Dec 2007 07:16:43 AM |
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"jjs" <john> wrote in message news:13lvn4e3lp25d96@news.supernews.com...
: "BURT" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:34e5ab27-05c1-4a1f-bd2e-3958607b6931@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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: > Atomic shells don't have funny shapes. They are spherical.
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: The 'shell' is a statistical likelihood of shape at any instant, a
metaphor,
: a mnemonic.
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Yes indeed, and most molecules are not spherical either.
It would conceivable to describe the hundreds of artificial
satellites currently in orbit about the Earth as a "shell",
but spherical? Not when most of them are in elliptical orbits.
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