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Another SD Rodrian Prediction True:
Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS
Slowly but surely all of the nonsense which is nowadays
plaguing cosmology and physics are, one by one, being
exposed for the nonsense they all are... exactly as I have
time and again predicted: http://physics.sdrodrian.com
A Challenge to Evolution of Universe
'Dark Energy' Finding Casts Doubt
on Einstein's 'Cosmological Constant'
By Guy Gugliotta Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 12, 2006; Page A02
In the quest to decipher
the evolution of the cosmos,
no topic generates greater
interest among scientists than
"dark energy," the mysterious
force that appears to be
causing the universe to expand
at an ever-accelerating rate.
The "proposal" for dark energy is not as a result
of any particular requirement in the Big Bang model;
rather, the real world (the universe) was unexpectedly
discovered to be working in the exact opposite manner
that model says it ought to be working... but rather than
acknowledge the observed facts have invalidated the
model, BB theorists merely now said they thought some
"dark energy" MUST exist which is making the model
work in the exact opposite way the BB model should work.
The original requirement for a "Big Bang" were effectively
nullified by the discovery that the universe is "expanding"
NOT from some primordial "explosion" (Big Bang) but due
to some "other" reason NOT YET UNDERSTOOD. (The
proposal that it MUST BE some "dark force" is somewhat
like people who do not understand how/why planes fly
suggesting that it MUST BE because of some "dark force"
invisibly holding planes up in the air: It is nonsense which
not everyone has yet realized what utter nonsense it is.
And it is utter nonsense because it violates any number of
physical laws, not least of which is that its WORKING needs
LOADS of energy consumption/conversion which no one
has either observed or proposed how it is taking place. The
proposal of a pushing force acting in the same place and at
the same time as the "pull" of gravity simply insults logic.)
Where did the Big Bang model come from? Einstein asked:
"If there is gravity, why hasn't the universe collapsed?"
He thought "there MUST be" some force keeping the
universe from collapsing (i.e. counter-balancing the "pull"
of gravity). He called his "MUST-BE pushing force" the
Cosmological Constant. But then Hubble discovered that
the galaxies "appeared" to be moving away from each
other, and Einstein immediately realized the folly of his
Cosmological Constant proposal. Instead another down-
to-earth bit of nonsense was proposed: Wasn't it the case
here on earth that whenever things expanded from a
common point there had been an explosion at that point?
Ergo, since the universe' galaxies were seen to be moving
away from each other... they MUST be moving away from
some super-ancient explosion (some really Big Bang).
Never mind that all "explosions" require energy. Never
mind that the creation of matter/energy from nothingness
revives the ancient paradox of a First Cause Uncaused (God).
Never mind thinking/reasoning at all. The Big Bang model
satisfied men's thirst for a quick, slick answer. And since
people are lazy at everything, but especially about exercising
their brains... the nonsense's stuck (it's easier to shout down
objections than to think them through seriously).
Yesterday, Louisiana State
University astronomer Bradley
E. Schaefer tossed a grenade
into this debate, presenting
new research to suggest that
the force dark energy exerts
may have varied over time.
That casts new doubt on the
validity of Albert Einstein's
"cosmological constant" only
a few years after astronomers
rescued the concept from
scientific oblivion.
"I'm not pushing this as a proof,"
Schaefer said in an
interview at this week's
meeting of the American
Astronomical Society in
the District, where he presented
his research. "It's pointing
against the cosmological
constant, but it's a first result
describing how dark energy
changes with time. We need
more people to test the
results and get more information."
Well, I for one am glad that it's so darn hard
for so many to let go of their most cherished prejudices
(they were taught to us all by the fools we love so much,
after all), and to actually see what's right in front of
their eyes ... because that way the joy of being able
to keep telling people that I told them so is multiplied
by the number of dense brains there are out there.
Schaefer based his findings
on analysis of ultra-bright
cosmic explosions called
gamma-ray bursts, detected as
far as 12.8 billion light-years
away. He found that the
most distant explosions
appeared brighter than they
should have been if the universe
were accelerating at
a constant rate.
"As you go back in time, the
universe is pushing [outward]
less and less," he said. "At
some point, the pressure of dark
energy is zero and is exerting
no force on the universe.
There is no explanation for it."
NOT in the Big Bang model, certainly. But
consider what the case would be in an imploding
universe: The further back in time you go, the
larger the universe is (i.e. the slower it is imploding).
Now the observation makes sense. And we can
remove all the nonsense about "dark matter."
What "pushing [outward] less and less," in the
paragraph above means is that the acceleration of
the universe's expansion is "less and less" as we go
"more and more" back in time. At "zero point" there
is no "dark force" at all, and ONLY the pull of gravity
is acting on the universe (so we are effectively back
at the point where Hubble discovered the galaxies
appear to be moving away from each other AGAINST
the pull of gravity ... devoid of any reason why/how).
However, now any quick/slick "Big Bang" suggestion
becomes more problematic because most explosions
tend to make things move faster at first and then slower
with time... NOT the other way around, certainly!
My, my...! Wonder how long Big Bangers will hold out.
Schaefer's findings, the first
attempt to use gamma-ray
bursts to study dark energy,
produced a result that
disagreed with accumulating
evidence gleaned from
observing a different kind of
blast -- the exploding stars
called supernovae. That work
suggested that the expansion
of the universe is accelerating
in accordance with Einstein's
cosmological constant.
"The idea of using a gamma-ray
burst as a distance
indicator is a very exciting one,"
said California Institute
of Technology astronomer
Richard Ellis, a supernova
cosmologist. "The trouble is
there are no ways to check
the techniques. I'm not saying
it's no good, but I can't
believe it's as precise as supernovae."
The concept of dark energy
emerged in 1999 as a way to
explain the fact that the
expansion of the universe, once
thought to be slowing ever
since the big bang about 13.7
billion years ago, was accelerating.
That resurrected the
idea of a cosmological constant,
introduced by Einstein
more than 80 years ago as a
"fudge factor" to explain why
the universe then appeared to
be in equilibrium, rather
than being pulled together
by gravity.
A few years later, however,
astronomer Edwin Hubble
discovered that the universe
was not in stasis, after all,
but was expanding. There
was no "constant." Einstein
condemned his own idea
as "my greatest blunder."
Actually, what Hubble discovered was that the galaxies
"appeared" to be moving away from each other.
The idea that this discovery suggested that the universe
is expanding is both reasonable and idiotic, since while
in a very simple way it resembles the way an explosion
here on earth works... it also presents impossible hurdles
to explaining where all that energy came from. [Recently
someone who must have gotten the idea from watching
bedsheets hung out for drying in a yard fluttering in the
wind... suggested the nonsense of "branes" flapping in
the Mind of God or something, which when they touch
create a rupture through which pour all the energy in the
Big Bang--I must say I had to laugh like a mule when I
read it. But that's me, other people actually take this non-
sense quite seriously, I swear to God. Naturally, people
who suggest a God as The Origin "forget" to tell us about
the origin of God, and it's no different here, where they
are happy to explain the origin of our "dimensions" from
some other "dimensions" but they never ever quite get
around to explaining the origins of those other dimensions
--which I assume did not originate from ours.]
But in the 1990s, astronomers
found ways to use
supernovae as cosmic "standard
candles" whose luminosity
could be analyzed to track
the history of the universe's
expansion as far back as
9.8 billion light-years.
That led to the 1999 discovery
that the expansion of the
universe was accelerating
rather than slowing. There had
to be some "repulsive force"
THERE JUST HAD TO BE, right?
It just couldn't be something OTHER THAN
what they were imagining/proposing!
overcoming the gravity that
should have been causing
the universe to come together.
Astronomers called the force
dark energy, and "it mimics
the cosmological constant,"
said Michigan Technological
University astronomer Robert
J. Nemiroff. Einstein may
have been right after all.
Wonder how many times in all people will repeat
the same error before they finally acknowledge it
as an error and move on to something else...!
Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
Is it some "invisible hand" holding the plane
up in the air?
Solving the
mystery is as all-consuming
as any passion in physics. "It's
so spooky," said Astronomical
Society President Robert B.
Kirshner, a cosmology expert
at the Harvard-Smithsonian
Center for Astrophysics.
"Everybody is looking for ways to
get at it."
If all the seekers are searching down the wrong path
the chances of any one of them discovering the truth
are nil, and no matter how many seekers. One lone seeker
searching down the true path is worth all the seekers
in infinity searching down the wrong one. --SDRodrian
Schaefer said he had been
interested for several years in
using gamma-ray bursts -- the
brightest explosions in a
violent universe -- to look
far deeper into the past than
astronomers could reach
with supernovae.
The key were the launches of
the Massachusetts Institute
of Technology's HETE-2 satellite
in 2000, and NASA's Swift
satellite in 2004. Both were
designed to locate and observe
gamma-ray bursts, which last
milliseconds to several minutes.
Schaefer analyzed 52 of the
bursts and found that the most
distant of them were brighter
than the cosmological constant
would have predicted --
indicating that the universe's
expansion was accelerating
at a slower rate than it is today.
Schaefer "gets full marks for
coming up with a new technique,"
Ellis said in a telephone interview,
but "we still really don't
have a clue" what dark energy is.
"It's mayhem at the
moment" in cosmology, he added.
"The theorists are having
a field day, because there's no data."
And isn't that the way it's always been?
It's just that we just respect some nonsense
more than other nonsense, depending on which
theorist is dishing it out.
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New Doubts Are Cast on Einstein's Cosmological Constant
By DENNIS OVERBYE Published: January 12, 2006
Einstein was wrong.
Einstein was right.
He was wrong about being wrong.
An astronomer from Louisiana State University
said yesterday that a new
analysis of cosmic history cast doubts
on Einstein's cosmological
constant, the leading explanation for
the mysterious force that appears
to be pushing apart the universe.
But other astronomers said that conclusion
itself was in doubt.
Betcha these are the same guys who took two
or more years after two different groups reported
the facts ... to finally acknowledge that the
so-called "expansion" of the universe is accelerating.
The astronomer, Bradley E. Schaefer,
said his analysis showed that the
force, known as dark energy, was
not constant, as Einstein would have
predicted, but was growing more
violent as cosmic time went on.
"The cosmological constant does not
look good," said Dr. Schaefer, who
used the violent flashes called gamma
ray bursts as cosmic mileage
markers to describe the history of
the expansion of the universe.
In an interview Dr. Schaefer cautioned
that it was just a preliminary
result with years before a final answer
came in. He presented his report
at a meeting of the American
Astronomical Society in Washington.
Several astronomers said it was
Dr. Schaefer, not Einstein, who was
wrong.
Were these guys the same one who had said
Einstein was wrong before they then said he was
right, I wonder...
His conclusion, they said, was
undermined by mathematical and
statistical flaws.
There's always your numbers, and then
there's my numbers...
Moreover, some
astronomers questioned whether the
properties of gamma ray bursts were
known precisely enough to serve as
cosmological beacons.
"I flat out don't believe this result,"
said Adam Riess, an astronomer
at the Space Telescope Science Institute
in Baltimore who was a
discoverer of dark energy eight years ago.
Poor Riess, if he believes this results: I wonder
just how much grant money he might have to
give back!
Einstein first proposed the constant in 1917,
as a way of explaining how
the universe could be static despite
the force of gravity. It was a sort
of universal antigravity embedded in
space. He abandoned that theory as
a blunder when the universe proved
to be expanding.
But in 1998, the cosmological constant gained
new life. It was then that
competing teams of astronomers, using
exploding stars known as Type 1a
supernovas as cosmic mileage markers,
discovered that the expansion of
the universe appeared to be accelerating,
as if a dark antigravitational
force were indeed at work.
"as if" indeed! If you want to understand the true
answer go to: http://physics.sdrodrian.com
As Steven Weinberg of the University of
Texas said, Einstein's biggest
blunder was believing the cosmological
constant was a blunder.
But, now that's it's a blunder again, that's
a triple blunder right there. Exactly how many
blunders is a cosmologist allowed before he has
to take a cold shower?
Since the 1998 discovery, astronomers
have been racing to chart the
history of the expansion of the universe
more precisely to pin down the
properties of dark energy. Observations
by Dr. Riess and his colleagues
with the Hubble Space Telescope two
years ago have determined that the
universe hit the gas pedal about five
billion years ago.
Well, so much of Dr. Riess's grant(s). Now he's
going to have to go back to using the Hubble to
search for freckles on sunbathing broads.
Dr. Schaefer used as his mileage markers
52 gamma ray bursts, which are
100 to 1,000 times as powerful as Type 1a
supernovas, and can thus be
seen much farther away, or back in time.
The bursts, which can be seen
only from space, have been studied by
satellites like the High Energy
Transient Explorer, or HETE.
The most distant burst, at 12.8 billion
light-years, occurred when the
universe was 6 percent of its present
age, Dr. Schaefer said.
His measurements put the dark energy
in a controversial category named
phantom energy, which if it continued
unabated would rip apart the
cosmos in a few billion years.
The universe will undoubtedly run out of itself
(energy) eventually, but to speak of this eventuality
in "years" is yet another nonsense: Time, for us
poor humans, it what we measure with those little
mechanisms attached to our wrists, and nothing more.
Our motions, our very lives, even the lifetimes of
our Solar system are so brief against the lifetime of
the universe ... that they could be spoken of as mere
blinks: We move, and in our minds imagine that
our motions are "normal" (that the speed of light is
fast, and a glacial melting is slow). But only the motion
of the universe from one end to its other end is
"normal." Everything else in it is but a mere blink.
This is one of the harshest hurdles to understanding
that the universe is in (is an) implosion--We tend to
watch a dime drop to the sidewalk and find it hard
to imagine that falling dime, and us, and everything
are the MATTER of a universal "singularity" in the
process of imploding down unto even nothingness itself
.... because we are so "close" to it that we can tell apart
all of the smallest bits & parts of that "singularity."
Here's a bit more about people who will eventually
come around to acknowledging the facts, but who now
are desperate to cling to their most cherished prejudices:
But Donald Lamb, an astronomer at the
University of Chicago, and others
who were interviewed before Dr. Schaefer's
talk but were made familiar
with its conclusions, disagreed.
They said Dr. Schaefer had been forced
to his finding about the Einstein
constant by his use of a mathematical
parameter called w-prime, a
measure of how fast the violence of
the dark energy appears to be
changing with distance in the universe.
At large distances, Dr. Lamb said, the
parameter becomes mathematically
meaningless, and theorists have dropped it.
Moreover, he said, if Dr. Schaefer's
analysis is valid, his results
agree with Einstein's constant, within
the measurements' uncertainties.
"It's not a meaningful discrepancy,"
Dr. Lamb said, adding that a
statement like Dr. Schaefer's required
stronger evidence. "The bottom
line is the result doesn't show Einstein
was right. And it doesn't show
he was wrong."
That was echoed by Robert R, Caldwell,
a dark-energy theorist at
Dartmouth, who added that if dark
energy evolved as swiftly as Dr.
Schaefer said, it would have interfered
with the formation of galaxies.
Dr, Schaefer apparently does not have a reason
to think that dark matter is something which arose
magically some 5 billion years ago, unlike others
whose numbers are more in tune with themselves.
Another criticism is that most of
Dr. Schaefer's data points are from
the early universe, more than five billion
years ago, before dark energy
became a dominant force in the universe.
The action, they say, is all at
later times, when dark energy's effects
are more easily seen, but his
data is sparse there.
I wonder where dark energy came from? What happened
5 billion years ago that created it? Or could it be that
those who believe it only came to be 5 billion years ago
do so only because they have finally come around to
believing the observations that go back 5 billion years
and have not yet come around ... further than that?
In his presentation, Dr. Schaefer said
it was too early to make claims
about the usefulness and ultimate
meaning of his proposal.
I feel for this guy: I know where he's coming from.
"The first results are pointing to the
cosmological constant not being
constant, a point I don't want to push
too much," he said. "This is the
first demonstration of cosmologically
useful results from a new method.
We can't be too confident in the results
right now."
The dispute shines an awkward light on
what some astronomers regard as a
promising and powerful tool for
cosmology, gamma ray bursts. Dr.
Schaefer called his work a "proof of
purchase" for the use of the
bursts, which can emit as much light
in a second as our Sun does in a
billion years, to investigate dark
energy and other puzzles of the long
night.
George Ricker, a gamma ray astronomer
at M.I.T., said of Dr. Schaefer's
work: "It's great that he's doing this.
He's drawing attention to fact
that this is possible."
Other astronomers said the use of gamma
ray bursts for cosmology was in
its infancy at best.
Until recently, astronomers did not even
know what they were. Lately,
the bursts have been traced to the titanic
implosions of very massive
stars into black holes, and astronomers
have begun to learn how to
calibrate the flashes.
Lorenzo Amati of the Institute of Space
Astrophysics and Cosmic Physics
in Bologna, Italy, and his colleagues
discovered a correlation between
the total luminosity of a gamma ray burst
and the wavelength at which it
appears brightest.
Using such techniques, astronomers can
estimate the intrinsic luminosity
of a gamma ray burst within 25 percent,
Dr. Lamb said. That is only two
or three times the uncertainty associated
with the Type 1a supernova
explosions, considered the gold
standard for cosmological work.
Dr. Lamb was the lead author of a report
last summer outlining how a
gamma ray burst mission could be
used to investigate dark energy.
Such a mission is unlikely soon, however,
because NASA's science budget
suffers overruns from the James Webb
Space Telescope, and scientists are
trying to find money to maintain the HETE
satellite, which is scheduled
to be turned off.
Optical astronomers point out that it will
take many more gamma ray
bursts than supernovas to reach the
same precision. Lacking a sound
theoretical reason to believe that gamma
ray bursts should be standard
candles, they are reluctant to give them
much credence.
Dr. Riess said, "The news is that we are
really stumped about this dark
energy puzzle and are being forced to be
very creative to probe it."
Warren E. Leary contributed reporting
from Washington for this article.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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"Silouen" <DarlaP...@spamsuck.aol.com>> -
<sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com>> wrote in message
news:1137114911.108066.92510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
oldc...@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard), unable to remember
anything about what happened (to him) all this day, decided
to speak about what happened back in his childhood, when he
and SDR used to play at marbles & peewee (the non-sexual
kind):
Hey sdr, is your definition of space
still "where matter isn't"? (-:
oc
No. It's actually become a little more intellectual since then:
Now I tend to believe it's the vastness to be found in most
people's heads. (Most people tend to concentrate on the "vastness"
part of it when I tell them, and thank me, the dears. O well.)
Good to hear from you, Bill. Hope you're still crazy.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
Cutesy response.
But far beneath the S. D. Rodrian we've been
reading for many years?
Well, you do have to take into consideration
that I may have been hi the day I answered
Bill's post. {ergo}
So you have found a tactful way to bestow a hard truth
upon people: that on the atomic level, the amount of space
in their heads is far, far vaster than the amount of matter.
Well, if you examine that "truth" you will notice that
no amount of space could ever be defined in terms
greater than the least amount of matter: So I think I
was being quite generous.
However, Mr. Rodrian, you still did not answer Bill's
question with any penetration, did you?
Are you coming on to me? To Bill?
If, as Bill puts it, space is where matter isn't,
I believe that was my own original definition.
then what (exactly and precisely) do you think the
area/space IS, say, between an atom's nucleus
and the electron shell(s)?
I'm surprised you do not see it: It is OBVIOUSLY
the "distance" between them--IF there were no distance
between them, they would bring the whole system
to a grinding halt. Then poof. And you wouldn't be
talking about anything at all, would you?
And for that matter, what's the stuff in the nucleus
'between' quarks?
Distance, distance, distance (space, space, space ...
room, room, room), except when crisscrossed by any
and all mediating particles, of course. Now you know.
You think there's anything 'flowing' in or out? or thru?
Absolutely! Check out the Standard Model and the THREE
"forces" ... that's how the world's put together, in fact.
If not, then why? If so, then poignantly, pointedly and
humourlessly: WHAT?
Do you have 4 or 6 years open for a college education?
(It's all really a two week course, but between mind-
numbing rote and students who really should be taking
the place of mules out in the farms ... it has to be done
over 4 to 6 years if they're ever gonna get anywhere.)
(And please don't concern yourself about hurting Bill's
feelings with an answer inconsistent with his doctrine.
Concerned with it? I'm the sort of chap looks forward
to always make fools out of fools, idiots out of idiots,
and cretins out of cretins--it's easier than trying to
get them all mismatched/mixed-up (which is what
everybody else is always trying to do, for Heaven's sakes).
It's already been tried. Mr. Sheppard is the much heralded
'immovable object'. It only remains to confirm: are you an
irresistible force?)
Nope. I am a corpse that's come out of his grave to
chide the world. Unfortunately (or fortunately, since God
only knows in what circus they'd stick a talking corpse):
the cemetery they originally plugged me into is tiny
and out of the way. I think the name on my grave is
wrong too.
And BTW, if the above doesn't digest your bananas,
maybe you could help Bill out with an answer to the
question: What the heck causes gravity?
Sure: THE IS NO SUCH THING AS GRAVITY. There!
ALL the effects we ascribe to the "pull of gravity" are
really caused by/because of the fact that the universe is
(and has always been) imploding (yes, since its origin
.... in fact, THAT is its origin).
However, don't try to disprove this by tossing a coin
"against the pull of gravity" because the "speed" at which
the coin travels "against the direction of implosion" will
be of no consequence whatsoever (you'd have to throw
the coin OUT of the universe to counter its implosion)...
START QUOTE:
.... Instead of believing that ours is a
universe as described in the inflationary models
(a universe of immutable forms of matter forever
"expanding" from some primordial magic bean),
imagine that we live in a universe where all the
forms of matter are just that ("forms" composed
of other "forms of matter" which are themselves
composed of lesser/smaller "forms" of matter ad
infinitum) in a universe that is/has always been in
implosion...
Yes, use the metaphor of a black hole imploding:
How long does a black hole take to implode? Well,
viewed from outside it, almost no "time" at all. But
if the entire universe were imploding, we, of course,
would be inside that implosion. If such an implosion
lasted only "seconds" or even "minutes" or "hours"
or even "days, months, years, et al" it would cause
our "matter" to burst! But, on the other hand, if such
an implosion "lasted" (for us here inside it, "timing"
the whole thing by "hours, years, centuries," or even
"billions of years"), if such an implosion lasted for
as long as the entire lifetime of our universe... then
"our forms of matter" would have "enough time" to
bend/twist/evolve/adapt to whatever changes were
taking place--And it really wouldn't matter "how long"
our imploding universe took as "timed" by "somebody"
watching its implosion from outside it. The only
"time" that mattered to us... would be the one we
ourselves "timed" by whatever methods we devised.
There is no such thing as an absolute speed (time),
and "the laws of physics" which govern the movement
of "our speed" (time) depend entirely on what the
"mass about us" allows.
END QUOTE
The hardest obstacle to realizing that ours is a universe
in implosion may be that, being INSIDE this implosion,
we imagine it's exactly like what happens in a black hole
collapse (destroying all forms of matter in it & around it
in milliseconds ... the sort of milliseconds measured by
our clocks). But, remember those films of crowds which
are sped-up and you see streams of cars & people rushing
"through" each other without a single one of them running
into anything? Well, that film is "sped-up" from our point
of view (by us), where we exist at {what?} speed--because,
by {what absolute standard?} do we believe that "our
speed" is the "normal speed" of existence itself?!?
Rather, the speed of light is "fast" because we imagine
it is (measured against our walking speed). While the speed
of one set of atoms decaying into another element is
"slow" because, again, we measure it against our walking
speed, or the speed it takes us to eat a bowl of cherries,
or to live out our whole lives, or even the lives of all the
generations of man, for that matter. We find it hard to
imagine that all the generations of man, or all the generations
of all the organisms that ever lived on this planet, or all
the generations of stars, et al, might fly by in the "time"
it takes "someone standing outside our universe" to glance
to one side and notice that it (our universe, unsuspected by
him) has imploded (in milliseconds, as measured by his
watch). But that is EXACTLY what has happened, will happen,
and is happening: The relativity of time is absolute (it
absolutely extends outside our universe): The relativity
of "speed" ABSOLUTELY has everything to do with what
the mass around your "watch" is doing (its "speed" ...
in efect, its "time").
I've said it before and I'll repeat it endlessly: "Everything
that is now described as "the pull of gravity" must be
reinterpreted as the effect of velocity." It doesn't mean
that "rocket scientists" will have to find some other way
to "sling-shoot" their space vehicles than by gravitational
orbits--rather, they must eventually come to realize that
what they're doing is the same thing that happens to a leaf
that's sucked into the eye-wall of a hurricane: The closer
to any "point of implosion" anything comes the greater the
velocity it must experience (and those "points of implosion"
exactly coincide with what we now call "centers of gravity")
.... which is identical to saying now "the greater pull of
gravity they must experience."
BECAUSE such "points of implosion" exist in isolation (from
the rest of the universe--NOTICE the "space" between them)
they are entirely relativistic: That is, while the moon and
earth are "trying" to "roll down their own mutual/common
point of implosion" they are also, as ONE system/mass
vying with the Sun to "roll down their own mutual/common
point of implosion" and so on: NONE of this invalidates
Galileo's marvelous description of "gravitational" trajectories
nor Newton's laws of gravitation, or Einstein's geometrical
perfecting of them: If two bodies approach each other with
just the right amount of momentum away from their "common
point of implosion" they will go into a mutual orbit; and if
they are both aimed straight at their "common point of
implosion" they must surely collide. And if two immense bags
of those styrofoam packing beans pass close enough to one
another, surely a lot of those styrofoam beans will not have/or
will not be able to maintain enough momentum away from
their "common point of implosion" to prevent a pileup too.
The point is that the entirety of the universe is ONE geometric
unit. And that the existence (and position) of every last bit
of mass in the universe affects its entire configuration--which
is the same as saying that the "effect of gravity" extends
"infinitely" across the entirety of the universe. But now you
know how that is possible WITHOUT there being some
magical mediating particle (the mythical graviton) to cross
the full length of the universe.
Therefore: Assume that our universe is imploding ...
START QUOTE
.... now begin to re-examine all the observations which
have for the last 100 years (and longer) "argued" for
so many counter-intuitive, and self-contradictory, and
just plain illogical/crazy explanations for/of why/how
the photon "knows" at what speed it should travel and
in which direction? How is it possible for the effect
of gravity to extend infinitely (and WITHOUT any
mediating particle WHATSOEVER, because the proposition
of the graviton's existence is just a guess exactly
like the proposition of "dark matter")? How spiral
galaxies can do what they're doing with only the mass
of their stars! And, indeed, why/how the so-called
"expansion" of the universe can itself be forever
accelerating with no visible expenditure of the
tremendous amounts of energies such an acceleration
obviously requires or we are all mad!
And everything else, to boot. For ONCE you consider
the universe from that point of view, then ALL the
puzzles and conundrums which plague & baffle us now
(causing us to propose near-or-just-plain-ole magical
solutions) to mysteries such as "spooky action at a
distance" (entanglement), how a single photon can
interact with itself, and the impossibility of making
sense of relativity and QM existing in the same world
.... all of them and more will finally begin to "argue"
their own solutions, as you say, despite all our most
cherished prejudices.
Everything that is now described as "the pull of
gravity" must be reinterpreted as the effect of
velocity. This includes so-called lesser/greater
massive gravitational fields as described by\in
relativity theory. And it does in no way invalidate
relativity; but, on the contrary makes it a remarkable
achievement indeed that, Einstein, while never
suspecting that the universe is imploding, should
be able to describe it with such purely geometrical
perfection!
Think! Is it so hard? If gravity were ANY KIND OF
"force" then it would, by the laws of physics (QM)
blow up the universe to smithereens.
It would ALSO create stars and watery planets with
hollowed-out centers BECAUSE there would be little
or no "gravity" at their centers: Yet, the theories we
have about how our Sun works calls for most of its
nuclear reactions to be taking place precisely AT ITS
CENTER, under the greatest "pressures" therein! And
no one that I know of has EVER proposed hollow
planets (except some laughable comic book I read
as a child, as I recall). Oy! But people don't think.
What then are orbits, galaxies? Use the simplest of
all analogies: In an imploding universe EVERYTHING is
(perhaps not so figuratively) going down the drain:
Look at the whirlpool that forms as water tries to go
down your kitchen drain pipe (the same thing is taking
place in tornadoes and hurricanes, where pressure in
the eye-wall forces air to "drain" up, sucking in air
from the area surrounding the "funnel"). Why does
a whirlpool form at the mouth of your drainpipe?
Because some water drops, unfortunately for them, have
just enough momentum toward one side to avoid going
directly down the drain. And the more water, the more
likelihood there is of a whirlpool forming...
And wether it's the earth/moon system, or the Solar
System, or galaxies we're talking about... what we're
looking at is "bodies" (the water drops here) which,
unfortunately for them, have just enough momentum
away from the exact/absolute point of implosion (what
we now call their common center of gravity). [And,
such "absolute points of implosion" are completely
relativistic (i.e. created by the very presence of the
mass around them that creates them).] And just as
not every time you open the faucet does a whirlpool
form at the mouth of the drain (it usually has to do
with the volume of water), not every galaxy develops
into a spiral one like the supermassive Milky Way
(something which also seems to have a correlation with
whether it's a massive or smaller galaxy, surprise,
surprise).
And NONE of it has anything whatever to do with any
"dark matter" or other nonsense like it, I assure you.
But why things are imploding and where they came
from remains
unanswered.
No they do not: It is an inevitable consequence of
the laws of thermodynamics... Think (!) of "the void"
as so immense/vast that at some point or other its
"body" hiccups a wave and presto: thermodynamic
currents/waves back & forth. Is it so impossible from
there to think that somewhere a bubble of "lesser
pressure" arose which then burst, as higher pressures
poured into it--the "concentration" at "its center"
being our "visible" universe...? And there you have
our imploding universe, and without having to have a
single graviton in it for it to work EXACTLY as we
can observe it working all around us.
GO backwards from our universe, and it is a *****-
point in some vaster/more diffuse universe, which is
itself but another prickpoint in some vaster/more
diffuse universe, ad infinitum, and you can see where
it all comes from: All you really need is something
so very close to nothingness as to make the difference
negligible indeed. But then, eventually here we are.
Think! That describes the raison d'etre for the
implosion model of the universe, except that any
notion of "time" is moot: ALL time is relative, just
as Einstein began to understand, and while the
implosion of our universe as viewed (timed) from
outside it may look like (and take about as long as)
the collapse of a massive star into a black hole...
we here inside it (because our SENSE of time is so
humongously FAST ... AND FOREVER SPEEDING UP)
will "experience" it like some "unending" amount of
time (equal to the entire length of the part of the
lifetime of our universe in which we exist).
It may be a fact that as we go on there is "less and
less time" of the universe left, but because "our
time" is literally accelerating ahead of the universe
.... what is left of the universe will always be, at
least for us, quite a lot (and perhaps even growing).
What will our universe end up as? I certainly don't
have enough information to theorize about it. Although
I'd like to think it will all dissolve into plain ole
nothingness. It's still possible it will also be some
massive pile-up of black holes... or a single one,
which may well be another universe-of-sorts ad
infinitum. Who knows. Who cares! The whole human
race will certainly be dead long, long before then.
And all that will certainly be a long, long, long time
in our future, of course.
END QUOTE
Or keep wading in the shallows, if you prefer.
Perhaps my cemetery is in New Orleans. Or some
swamp out in costal Mississippi ... at any rate, my
bones feel cold and wet, and I am starting to long
for the dust.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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13 Jan 2006 12:27:41 PM |
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"sdr" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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Another SD Rodrian Prediction True:
Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS
If the available evidence argues that most of the matter in the universe is
dark and cannot be detected from the light which it emits or fails to emit,
the question arises about how this stuff which cannot be seen directly
exists at all unless its presence is inferred indirectly from the motions of
astronomical objects, specifically stellar, galactic, and galaxy
cluster/supercluster observations or in order to enable gravity to amplify
the small fluctuations in the Cosmic Microwave Background enough to form the
large-scale structures that we see in the universe today, then one would
wonder how you could explain them without some missing stuff in a way that
better explains the surrounding context of other observations?
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13 Jan 2006 12:18:37 PM |
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"sdr" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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Another SD Rodrian Prediction True:
Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS
If the available evidence argues that most of the matter in the universe is
dark and cannot be detected from the light which it emits or fails to emit,
the question arises about how this stuff which cannot be seen directly
exists at all unless its presence is inferred indirectly from the motions of
astronomical objects, specifically stellar, galactic, and galaxy
cluster/supercluster observations or in order to enable gravity to amplify
the small fluctuations in the Cosmic Microwave Background enough to form the
large-scale structures that we see in the universe today, then one would
wonder how you could explain them without some missing stuff in a way that
better explains the surrounding context of other observations?
http://astron.berkeley.edu/~mwhite/darkmatter/dm.html
http://images.google.com/images?q=dark%20matter
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13 Jan 2006 06:32:07 PM |
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"sdr" <sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
Another SD Rodrian Prediction True:
Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS
If the available evidence argues that most of the
matter in the universe is dark and cannot be detected
from the light which it emits or fails to emit, the
question arises about how this stuff which cannot be
seen directly exists at all unless its presence is
inferred indirectly from the motions of astronomical
objects, specifically stellar, galactic, and galaxy
cluster/supercluster observations
"Available evidence" (observations) do not "argue"
anything: It is men, such as you and I, who look at
"something" and "see" in it our prejudices: The
"evidence" of a plane flying overhead "argues" one
set of conclusions from a guy in Philadelphia and
quite another from a stone age hunter (as it did
for New Guinea tribesmen, who in the 40s, thought
the American airmen who were landing there to
prepare for battle against the Japanese HAD TO BE
gods and worshipped them as such).
For many years now MANY different forms of matter
(since all matter MUST needs come in some form)
have been proposed and searched for as candidates
for "dark matter." Either none has been found or
contradictory evidence have suggested that the forms
proposed could not exist where they have been
proposed (as required) or in such forms at all.
We have a specific observation (namely, that some
galaxies behave in a way they should not, given the
mass of their visible stars). It is a puzzle. And it
demands theories/guesses. But until we find the
specific reason/cause for this observation ALL our
best theories are mere guesses:
There is NO argument FOR or requirement of any
such stuff as "dark matter." It is simply ONE guess.
Further, it is a guess which has FOR MANY MANY years
been thoroughly explored and which remains unproved.
Perhaps if we had extended but 1/100th the effort in
some other line of inquiry... we'd know the answer
now.
As a matter of principle, I am against killing ANY
line of inquiry until such time as the solution has
been found. But I myself am of the strong opinion
that the search for some/any/all form(s) of dark
matter are a dead end. Why? SEE:
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
... or in order to
enable gravity to amplify the small fluctuations in
the Cosmic Microwave Background enough to form the
large-scale structures that we see in the universe
today,
The answer to this mirrors the large-scale structures
of the material universe itself, and the solution is
to be found in the same identical causes which have
given rise to the universe's other large-scale
structures. Namely, the sheer vagaries of matter-
distribution over large scales of time: It is not a
true "random" process, simply one whose dynamics
we have not yet computed (and perhaps never will).
... then one would wonder how you could explain
them without some missing stuff in a way that better
explains the surrounding context of other
observations?
Certainly: Instead of believing that ours is a
universe as described in the inflationary models
(a universe of immutable forms of matter forever
"expanding" from some primordial magic bean),
imagine that we live in a universe where all the
forms of matter are just that ("forms" composed
of other "forms of matter" which are themselves
composed of lesser/smaller "forms" of matter ad
infinitum) in a universe that is/has always been in
implosion...
Yes, use the metaphor of a black hole imploding:
How long does a black hole take to implode? Well,
viewed from outside it, almost no "time" at all. But
if the entire universe were imploding, we, of course,
would be inside that implosion. If such an implosion
lasted only "seconds" or even "minutes" or "hours"
or even "days, months, years, et al" it would cause
our "matter" to burst! But, on the other hand, if such
an implosion "lasted" (for us here inside it, "timing"
the whole thing by "hours, years, centuries," or even
"billions of years"), if such an implosion lasted for
as long as the entire lifetime of our universe... then
"our forms of matter" would have "enough time" to
bend/twist/evolve/adapt to whatever changes were
taking place--And it really wouldn't matter "how long"
our imploding universe took as "timed" by "somebody"
watching its implosion from outside it. The only
"time" that mattered to us... would be the one we
ourselves "timed" by whatever methods we devised.
There is no such thing as an absolute speed (time),
and "the laws of physics" which govern the movement
of "our speed" (time) depend entirely on what the
"mass about us" allows.
And now begin to re-examine all the observations which
have for the last 100 years (and longer) "argued" for
so many counter-intuitive, and self-contradictory, and
just plain illogical/crazy explanations for/of why/how
the photon "knows" at what speed it should travel and
in which direction? How is it possible for the effect
of gravity to extend infinitely (and WITHOUT any
mediating particle WHATSOEVER, because the proposition
of the graviton's existence is just a guess exactly
like the proposition of "dark matter")? How spiral
galaxies can do what they're doing with only the mass
of their stars! And, indeed, why/how the so-called
"expansion" of the universe can itself be forever
accelerating with no visible expenditure of the
tremendous amounts of energies such an acceleration
obviously requires or we are all mad!
And everything else, to boot. For ONCE you consider
the universe from that point of view, then ALL the
puzzles and conundrums which plague & baffle us now
(causing us to propose near-or-just-plain-ole magical
solutions) to mysteries such as "spooky action at a
distance" (entanglement), how a single photon can
interact with itself, and the impossibility of making
sense of relativity and QM existing in the same world
.... all of them and more will finally begin to "argue"
their own solutions, as you say, despite all our most
cherished prejudices.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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| Title: Re: Another SD Rodrian Prediction True: Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS |
14 Jan 2006 12:36:28 PM |
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<sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"sdr" <sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
Another SD Rodrian Prediction True:
Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS
If the available evidence argues that most of the
matter in the universe is dark and cannot be detected
from the light which it emits or fails to emit, the
question arises about how this stuff which cannot be
seen directly exists at all unless its presence is
inferred indirectly from the motions of astronomical
objects, specifically stellar, galactic, and galaxy
cluster/supercluster observations
"Available evidence" (observations) do not "argue"
anything: It is men, such as you and I, who look at
"something" and "see" in it our prejudices: The
"evidence" of a plane flying overhead "argues" one
set of conclusions from a guy in Philadelphia and
quite another from a stone age hunter (as it did
for New Guinea tribesmen, who in the 40s, thought
the American airmen who were landing there to
prepare for battle against the Japanese HAD TO BE
gods and worshipped them as such).
For many years now MANY different forms of matter
(since all matter MUST needs come in some form)
have been proposed and searched for as candidates
for "dark matter." Either none has been found or
contradictory evidence have suggested that the forms
proposed could not exist where they have been
proposed (as required) or in such forms at all.
We have a specific observation (namely, that some
galaxies behave in a way they should not, given the
mass of their visible stars). It is a puzzle. And it
demands theories/guesses. But until we find the
specific reason/cause for this observation ALL our
best theories are mere guesses:
There is NO argument FOR or requirement of any
such stuff as "dark matter." It is simply ONE guess.
Further, it is a guess which has FOR MANY MANY years
been thoroughly explored and which remains unproved.
Perhaps if we had extended but 1/100th the effort in
some other line of inquiry... we'd know the answer
now.
It appears that you are saying that all theories may be true or may be false
since we may be mistaken and cannot eliminate all chance for error. But then
you turn around and ask me to buy you theory about theories because it is
true.
Obviously there is in fact an argument for a requirement of dark matter. You
are only allowed to say that this theory is weaker or stronger than other
theories, but you don't have the evidence to argue that there is no chance
that there is dark matter and that you cannot be mistaken about this.
As a matter of principle, I am against killing ANY
line of inquiry until such time as the solution has
been found. But I myself am of the strong opinion
that the search for some/any/all form(s) of dark
matter are a dead end. Why? SEE:
You might want to learn some basic logic before you try that doing that with
us though.
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
... or in order to
enable gravity to amplify the small fluctuations in
the Cosmic Microwave Background enough to form the
large-scale structures that we see in the universe
today,
The answer to this mirrors the large-scale structures
of the material universe itself, and the solution is
to be found in the same identical causes which have
given rise to the universe's other large-scale
structures. Namely, the sheer vagaries of matter-
distribution over large scales of time: It is not a
true "random" process, simply one whose dynamics
we have not yet computed (and perhaps never will).
... then one would wonder how you could explain
them without some missing stuff in a way that better
explains the surrounding context of other
observations?
Certainly: Instead of believing that ours is a
universe as described in the inflationary models
(a universe of immutable forms of matter forever
"expanding" from some primordial magic bean),
imagine that we live in a universe where all the
forms of matter are just that ("forms" composed
of other "forms of matter" which are themselves
composed of lesser/smaller "forms" of matter ad
infinitum) in a universe that is/has always been in
implosion...
Yes, use the metaphor of a black hole imploding:
How long does a black hole take to implode? Well,
viewed from outside it, almost no "time" at all. But
if the entire universe were imploding, we, of course,
would be inside that implosion. If such an implosion
lasted only "seconds" or even "minutes" or "hours"
or even "days, months, years, et al" it would cause
our "matter" to burst! But, on the other hand, if such
an implosion "lasted" (for us here inside it, "timing"
the whole thing by "hours, years, centuries," or even
"billions of years"), if such an implosion lasted for
as long as the entire lifetime of our universe... then
"our forms of matter" would have "enough time" to
bend/twist/evolve/adapt to whatever changes were
taking place--And it really wouldn't matter "how long"
our imploding universe took as "timed" by "somebody"
watching its implosion from outside it. The only
"time" that mattered to us... would be the one we
ourselves "timed" by whatever methods we devised.
There is no such thing as an absolute speed (time),
and "the laws of physics" which govern the movement
of "our speed" (time) depend entirely on what the
"mass about us" allows.
And now begin to re-examine all the observations which
have for the last 100 years (and longer) "argued" for
so many counter-intuitive, and self-contradictory, and
just plain illogical/crazy explanations for/of why/how
the photon "knows" at what speed it should travel and
in which direction? How is it possible for the effect
of gravity to extend infinitely (and WITHOUT any
mediating particle WHATSOEVER, because the proposition
of the graviton's existence is just a guess exactly
like the proposition of "dark matter")? How spiral
galaxies can do what they're doing with only the mass
of their stars! And, indeed, why/how the so-called
"expansion" of the universe can itself be forever
accelerating with no visible expenditure of the
tremendous amounts of energies such an acceleration
obviously requires or we are all mad!
And everything else, to boot. For ONCE you consider
the universe from that point of view, then ALL the
puzzles and conundrums which plague & baffle us now
(causing us to propose near-or-just-plain-ole magical
solutions) to mysteries such as "spooky action at a
distance" (entanglement), how a single photon can
interact with itself, and the impossibility of making
sense of relativity and QM existing in the same world
... all of them and more will finally begin to "argue"
their own solutions, as you say, despite all our most
cherished prejudices.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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| Title: Re: Another SD Rodrian Prediction True: Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS |
14 Jan 2006 12:22:12 PM |
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"Dr Nanduri" <nanduri...@lycos.com> - brought out his
ole bina (from the Bollywood soundtrack days of his
youth) and to its acrid screeching, sang the following
(never quite managing to hit a single key, and staying
on it, for Heaven's sakes):
SELF-CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS are observed here
Most of the energy in the universe consists of some
form of dark energy
Have you yourself seen this dark energy of which you
speak? In this case this may not be a rhetorical
question.
that is gravitationally self-repulsive
So it's moving away from itself?
and that is causing the expansion rate of the
universe to accelerate. The possible candidates are > a vacuum energy density (or, equivalently, a
cosmological constant) and quintessence, a
.... a cavity creator originator, a hollowing
hollering, a void avoider, a counter-vacuity blanker,
a voidness avoidirizer, a desolator de-density, a nada
here baby-izer ... yes, I've heard of all these
"scientific explanations" before at verious physics
and cosmology forums. They certainly explain the
whole nine yards, don't they!
NOTES:APPLY GRAVITY below SUN-Planetary region that
forms a first cover to EARTH Search:Cosmology Vedas
DARK ENERGY may be viewed as part of ELECTROMAGNETIC
PHENOMENA
Definitely: since visible light is part of the EM
spectrum, I can see where it could be viewed as that!
2.This is a review of the new information-theoretic
Process Physics.
I think I once bought bananas at that consortium.
This new modelling of reality brings physics very
much into accord with the general concepts of
Process Philosophy.
That must have been what was missing in physics:
Less study of physical phenomena & junk like that,
and more tightening up on abstract thinking about
all sorts of crazy things!
Sir, the nature of science is to make as unbiased
a set of observations of physical phenomena as
possible ... in the hope they one day lead to some
sort of unprejudiced interpretation of reality.
Don't be misled by the fact that people like to guess
where the solution will be found before the solution
is actually found ... don't be misled by this into
believing that science and philosophy mix very well
at all: The history of physics the last century is the
sorry proof they do not (being the result of guessers,
so-called theorists, who will blurt out just about any
guess that pops into their flirty heads, proclaiming
it "the only possible solution in the universe").
A good theorist does not merely propose any ole
elephant as the only possible solution, but FIRST
goes through at least the trouble to see whether
there is room in the room into which he wants to fit
his/her theoretical elephant for it to actually fit in
there:
In other words, somebody tells you there is an
elephant in the matchbox he carried around in his
pocket ... don't waste time arguing the physics of his
claim (how/why there is an elephants in...), just don't.
I tell thee this: There are an awful low of people
nowadays looking at the universe while convinced
that they are looking at something else entirely, and
growing puzzled/confused/baffled (not by the
observations, but by the nonsense theorist are
constantly proposing): Ya can't look at a mule and
believe you're looking at a tornado & not remain
puzzled/confused and baffled by what you "see."
If you want to go cold-turkey, go thee to:
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
and then go from there (to re-interpret all the
observations which had here-to-fore baffled you so).
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
re:
NOTES: SEACH Science of Philosophy and integrate to
PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE
Then you will see better picture for COSMOLOGY
RESEARCH Search:Cosmology Vedas
3.The name has historical precedents. In philosophy,
quintessence refers to the fifth element after
air, earth, fire and water proposed by the
ancient Greeks to describe a sublime, perfect
substance. In literature, Quintessence is the queen
of a land of speculative science in Rabelais'
Gargantua.
NOTES: This is quoted from INDIAN PHILOSOPHY- ORIGIN
VEDAS. A little more research will show WATER is
APAH- it is FLOW PHENOMENA that is observed in MILKY
WAY SPIRAL. Search Further: Google- Cosmology Vedas
Vidyardhi Nanduri Cosmology for World Peace
Janika Rifley wrote:
I have a thought that is critically different about
the nature of the universe and the reason for
"Hubble expansion." There is a cosmological
constant. The structures of the small paralell the
structures of the large because the large is
composed of the small and therefore, have the same
properties. The universe is round. The existence
is somewhat paralell to earth, in that we do not
live at the center, but on the surface or within the
outer atmosphere. The sphereroid has a certain
density that does not allow the permeation of
regular light. This is assumed because light
travelling along the surface of its arc is
refracted. The greater the distance of the light's
origin, the greater the refraction. This is my
explanation for redshift. The shpere is the
cosmological constant.
Taking it further, outside this form of matter
(universe) there is matter of even lesser density
for vast distances that is broken up by universes
such as our own, and even some universes that are so
dense with stars that they themselves are like a sun
or stars to our minmally luminous, planet-like
universe. We can see them through our telescopes.
They are called quasars. Perhaps it is night time
here and our universe will rotate to the dawning of
the EXtra-Universal Energy Source (Exues) that will
blind us with its brightness.
Sorry. The explanation for red-shift is counter-proved
in many ways (it's proved). We know the nature of
quasars pretty well, and they are ancient super-stars
in our universe which have collapsed into the things
we call quasars. There is NO cosmological constant (in
the process of being disproved as we speak). And there
is NO Hubble expansion (see
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
so you too will understand before it's in all the
papers):
In a universe in implosion ALL forms of matter are
literally (not figuratively) "shrinking away from each
other." Therefore, THINK, if you are a being upon one
of these shrinking planets and you look over to the
next planet shrinking ... & your yardstick is also
shrinking, and you have no hint that any shrinking's
going on ... you will deduce, brainy being that you
are, that your planets are moving away from each
other... and galaxies 2.
But, HA! You're not so brainy as you imagine. Consult
S D Rodrian instead: He is a humongous genius (or so
great a simpleton that he seems a genius). He knows,
and lucky you, doesn't mind being called Cassandra.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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12 Jan 2006 01:37:03 PM |
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Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
Is it some "invisible hand" holding the plane
up in the air?
Do you understand the concept of gravity? Why would anything in a
vacuum to be be held up?
Shadowin
www.shadowin.com
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12 Jan 2006 02:15:22 PM |
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Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
We have mesurements from distant superNovas that indicate that the
universe is not only exapnding, but the rate of expansion is
accelerating. The only thing that can cause this acceleration is
energy, yet we cannot (yet) see the source of this energy, so we call
it dark energy.
Since (on average) the universe has 3 light weight atoms per cubic
meter of volume, it does not take very much energy per cubic meter to
accelerate these exceedingly light weight atoms at exceedingly slow
rates of acceleration. Yet when observed across 5 to 10 billion light
years of distance, we can easily measure this effect with our largest
telescopes.
A) not knowing where the energy comes from does not in any way detract
from the powerful model of the evolving universe we know as the "Big
Bang".
B) an evolving theory often needs to be brought upto date--I think this
is similar to the flatness problem of the current universe, adn Guth's
explanation of 'expansion' took a decade to begin to verify and is now
accepted as the best current explanation of the early life of our
universe. I see no reason that dark energy will not be similarly
explained sometime in the next decade or so.
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| User: "HoopyFrood" |
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12 Jan 2006 02:45:16 PM |
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wrote:
Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
We have mesurements from distant superNovas that indicate that the
universe is not only exapnding, but the rate of expansion is
accelerating. The only thing that can cause this acceleration is
energy, yet we cannot (yet) see the source of this energy, so we call
it dark energy.
I posted this on the "toothpaste" topic too, so this will be the last
time I post it. But Phil Plait's blog entry from yesterday seems very
apropos:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/01/11/aas-post-6-the-cosmological-not-so-constant/
There is some preliminary research that may indicate the expansion rate
ACCELLERATION may, in fact, be increasing! This is going to be an
interesting time for cosmology!
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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12 Jan 2006 04:27:32 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2006 12:15:22 -0800, enriched this group
when s/he wrote:
Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
We have mesurements from distant superNovas that indicate that the
universe is not only exapnding, but the rate of expansion is
accelerating.
Actually, the jury is still out on that.
--
Bob.
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| User: "HoopyFrood" |
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12 Jan 2006 05:01:39 PM |
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Ye Old One wrote:
We have mesurements from distant superNovas that indicate that the
universe is not only exapnding, but the rate of expansion is
accelerating.
Actually, the jury is still out on that.
--
Bob.
Yep... but hopefully the next few years of follow up of the LSU Gamma
Ray Burst studies (supporting the 'accellerating accelleration'
proposition):
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/GRBHD/
will provide some very interesting material. Whether or not the
preliminary conclusion (regarding expansion rates) is affirmed, there
is no doubt going to be some pretty amazing research done!
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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12 Jan 2006 08:28:08 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2006 15:01:39 -0800, "HoopyFrood"
<benitoshavings@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
We have mesurements from distant superNovas that indicate that the
universe is not only exapnding, but the rate of expansion is
accelerating.
Actually, the jury is still out on that.
--
Bob.
Yep... but hopefully the next few years of follow up of the LSU Gamma
Ray Burst studies (supporting the 'accellerating accelleration'
proposition):
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/GRBHD/
will provide some very interesting material. Whether or not the
preliminary conclusion (regarding expansion rates) is affirmed, there
is no doubt going to be some pretty amazing research done!
There is still a lot of work to be done and some will depend on new
orbital observations to be carried out (IIRC) in 2007.
--
Bob.
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| User: "CreateThis" |
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12 Jan 2006 02:10:37 PM |
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Shadowin wrote:
Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
Is it some "invisible hand" holding the plane
up in the air?
Do you understand the concept of gravity? Why would anything in a
vacuum to be be held up?
Gravity works in vacuum. In fact, that's mostly where it is. Problem
is knowing which way is 'up'.
CT
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| User: "Inez" |
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12 Jan 2006 03:01:05 PM |
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CreateThis wrote:
Shadowin wrote:
Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
Is it some "invisible hand" holding the plane
up in the air?
Do you understand the concept of gravity? Why would anything in a
vacuum to be be held up?
Gravity works in vacuum. In fact, that's mostly where it is. Problem
is knowing which way is 'up'.
Is that a problem? I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
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| User: "CreateThis" |
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12 Jan 2006 09:14:40 PM |
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Inez wrote:
CreateThis wrote:
Shadowin wrote:
Astronomers estimate that
dark energy makes up 70 percent
of the universe, but they do not
know what it is.
Is it some "invisible hand" holding the plane
up in the air?
Do you understand the concept of gravity? Why would anything in a
vacuum to be be held up?
Gravity works in vacuum. In fact, that's mostly where it is. Problem
is knowing which way is 'up'.
Is that a problem? I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
Gravity is all around; it's just strongest from Earth because we're
closest to it. In space (where vacuum is), "up" could be any direction
- maybe the direction of least gravity?
CT
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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12 Jan 2006 04:17:38 PM |
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Inez wrote:
Is that a problem? I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
There is no "away from gravity". The gravitational field of a mass
extends to infinity.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "SDR" |
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12 Jan 2006 05:43:52 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <nowh...@nowhere.com>
replied to Inez, when she said:
Is that a problem? [Which way it "up?"]
I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
There is no "away from gravity". The gravitational
field of a mass extends to infinity. Bob Kolker
And SDR cried out to The Wilderness: "O Bob, Inez,
& all them guys/gals out there: Hast thou wondered
at all why and how that is (possible)...?
Have you ever dared to imagine that the universe is,
after all, ONE system (a "singularity" ... whatever
you want to call it), and that as such there can NOT
be any PART/PORTION/BIT of it which "acts" apart
from (in isolation from) "the rest" of the universe?
Does this not mean that a universe which is imploding
would require no "force of gravity" for us [in here]
to imagine that "the gravitational field of a mass extends to infinity"
...."
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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| User: "SDR" |
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12 Jan 2006 05:44:53 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <nowh...@nowhere.com>
replied to Inez, when she said:
Is that a problem? [Which way it "up?"]
I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
There is no "away from gravity". The gravitational
field of a mass extends to infinity. Bob Kolker
And SDR cried out to The Wilderness: "O Bob, Inez,
& all them guys/gals out there: Hast thou wondered
at all why and how that is (possible)...?
Have you ever dared to imagine that the universe is,
after all, ONE system (a "singularity" ... whatever
you want to call it), and that as such there can NOT
be any PART/PORTION/BIT of it which "acts" apart
from (in isolation from) "the rest" of the universe?
Does this not mean that a universe which is imploding
would require no "force of gravity" for us [in here]
to imagine that "the gravitational field of a mass extends to infinity"
...."
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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| User: "Inez" |
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14 Jan 2006 01:49:01 PM |
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SDR wrote:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowh...@nowhere.com>
replied to Inez, when she said:
Is that a problem? [Which way it "up?"]
I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
There is no "away from gravity". The gravitational
field of a mass extends to infinity. Bob Kolker
And SDR cried out to The Wilderness: "O Bob, Inez,
& all them guys/gals out there: Hast thou wondered
at all why and how that is (possible)...?
Actually no. There are a huge number of things I don't understand, and
this is not anywhere near the top of the list of things I'm interested
in.
Have you ever dared to imagine that the universe is,
after all, ONE system (a "singularity" ... whatever
you want to call it), and that as such there can NOT
be any PART/PORTION/BIT of it which "acts" apart
from (in isolation from) "the rest" of the universe?
I do not consider this vary daring imagination.
Does this not mean that a universe which is imploding
would require no "force of gravity" for us [in here]
to imagine that "the gravitational field of a mass extends to infinity"
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I don't see why this would logically follow.
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| User: "SDR" |
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19 Jan 2006 02:13:05 AM |
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"Inez" <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> was doing her needlework
one day, when she lifted her head, obviously puzzled by a distant
voice that had cried out her name, and said unto the blankness:
SDR wrote:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowh...@nowhere.com>
replied to Inez, when she said:
Is that a problem? [Which way it "up?"]
I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
There is no "away from gravity". The gravitational
field of a mass extends to infinity. Bob Kolker
And SDR cried out to The Wilderness: "O Bob, Inez,
& all them guys/gals out there: Hast thou wondered
at all why and how that is (possible)...?
Actually no. There are a huge number of things
I don't understand, and this is not anywhere near the top
of the list of things I'm interested in.
You're not interested in how that is possible?!
Are you interested perhaps in how this is possible?
Or, in how "the other thing" is possible?...
Have you ever dared to imagine that the universe is,
after all, ONE system (a "singularity" ... whatever
you want to call it), and that as such there can NOT
be any PART/PORTION/BIT of it which "acts" apart
from (in isolation from) "the rest" of the universe?
I do not consider this vary daring imagination.
Neither that, nor this, eh!
Ok. Now all we have is "the other thing" to cover!
Does this not mean that a universe which is imploding
would require no "force of gravity" for us [in here]
to imagine that "the gravitational field of a mass extends to infinity"
..."
I don't see why this would logically follow.
Then I shall explain it: 1) there is "the voids"
2) a bubble of lesser density arises
3) the greater density of the voids around it bursts it
4) IN (to) the bubble falls all that greater density
5) while we, in here in the universe which is
THAT rushing greater density (matter ... rushing
into the absolute center of the bubble) see everything
rushing into "centers" all around us and grow to
believe that "everything pulls on everything else."
But NO: It's a misinterpretation of what's really
taking place, namely... " that a universe which is
imploding requires no "force of gravity""
Gosh, if we ADDED a "force of gravity" to that (or
this, or the "other thing" we talked about) the whole
dangnabit universe would crash in on itself worse than
a 15 year-old with no money trying to pick up a girl
at a sleazy bar.
6) and this means that "the gravitational field of a mass
extends to infinity" (i.e. all the "matter" of the universe
now rushing to the bubble's geographic center would
suddenly rush to any other center created if by some
magical act part of the mass of the uinverse (no matter
how large a part, or how small) would suddenly vanish
--or if by the same magic, some more mass were added
to that of the universe): it would all follow quite logically.
And anybody who's not too busy at her needlework
would see this! So,
Ask and it shall be answered: That's what I'm here 4.
What else do you want to know ... how to be rich & pretty?
What do men want? What do women want, perhaps?
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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13 Jan 2006 05:21:08 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:42o2saF1j6pf0U6@individual.net...
Inez wrote:
Is that a problem? I should have thought the answer would be "away
from the gravity."
There is no "away from gravity". The gravitational field of a mass
extends to infinity.
What he means by "away from the gravity" is in the direction opposite
the direction the net gravity of all objects in the universe is pulling.
DS
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14 Jan 2006 01:56:15 PM |
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Janika Rifley wrote:
I see gravity as a point of balance between magnetic
fields, not as a force.
Explain to me what purpose/point there would be
for gravity AT ALL in an imploding universe ... if
the implosion were the result of a "push" given it
at its very beginning by the "greater pressures'
surrounding the hollow into which those "pressures"
cascaded? (Literally, "by their very weight.")
Read thou: http://physics.sdrodrian.com
Being a hollow, bubble-like, the outside pressures
which "fell" into it must be "speeding up" as they
concentrate nearer & nearer its geographic center. We
don't notice this acceleration in the normal course of
events, except back around 1998 when two different
groups of astronomers noticed an "inexplicable"
acceleration in a universe which they do not yet
understand is imploding ... and, of course, by one S D
Rodrian, who when years earlier realized that the
universe was indeed imploding deduced that that
implosion therefore had to be accelerating. And,
presto, so it was found to be. Nice. But I don't drink
Champagne (as Dracula once said).
That could correlate with your "everything is
falling" theory.
But I think your theory is still to abstract. Even
if everything is
imploding as you suggest, the balance of magnetic
fields allows for
solid(ish) structures on infinite scales. So your
theory does not
exclude the appearance of a large round structure
that holds galaxies and galactic clusters.
Think! Is it so hard? If gravity were ANY KIND OF
"force" then it would, by the laws of physics (QM)
blow up the universe to smithereens.
It would ALSO create stars and watery planets with
hollowed-out centers BECAUSE there would be little
or no "gravity" at their centers: Yet, the theories we
have about how our Sun works calls for most of its
nuclear reactions to be taking place precisely AT ITS
CENTER, under the greatest "pressures" therein! And
no one that I know of has EVER proposed hollow
planets (except some laughable comic book I read
as a child, as I recall). Oy! But people don't think.
Everything that is now described as "the pull of
gravity" must be reinterpreted as the effect of
velocity. This includes so-called lesser/greater
massive gravitational fields as described by\in
relativity theory. And it does in no way invalidate
relativity; but, on the contrary makes it a remarkable
achievement indeed that, Einstein, while never
suspecting that the universe is imploding, should
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