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User: "BretCahill"
Date: 02 Aug 2004 07:43:13 AM
Object: Applies In the East As Well As the West
"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."
-- Hemingway
This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.
Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?
Bret Cahill
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User: "BS"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 02 Aug 2004 06:10:17 PM
"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040802084313.16712.00001958@mb-m22.aol.com...

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."

-- Hemingway

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?

My memory is that ShrikeBack is right (it is from The Old Man and the Sea
isn't it?). I.e., a REAL man can be destroyed but not defeated. In other
words, I do not think that Hemingway meant it as about "human nature", but
about the nature of "manhood".
So, I suspect, it is not a "cross cultural statement(s) about human nature",
but a claim about how REAL MEN function (which may be cross cultural).
Hemingway had nothing but utter contempt for "human nature" (hell, most
human beings could not even understand bull-fighting, let alone appreciate
it).
BS
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User: "BretCahill"

Title: A Moveable Feast 02 Aug 2004 11:40:21 PM
One difference: When Hemingway committed
suicide he didn't take anyone else with him.
Bret Cahill
"Well I write better than Faulkner and I said
more than Hemingway."
-- Carson McCullers
"BS"
in

Message-id: <cemhkt0b7i@enews3.newsguy.com> writes:

.. . .

Hemingway had nothing but utter contempt for "human nature"

"Paris is a moveable feast."
-- Hemingway
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User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: A Moveable Feast 03 Aug 2004 09:41:48 AM
In Christianity, a moveable feast or movable feast is a holy day -- a feast or a
fast -- whose date is not fixed to a particular day of the calendar year but
moves in response to the date of Easter, which date varies according to a complex
formula.
By extension, other religions' feasts are occasionally described by the same
term. In addition many countries have secular holidays that are moveable, for
instance to make holidays more consecutive; the term "moveable feast" is not used
in this case however.
Further, by metaphoric extension but with the meaning of a party that was on the
move, Ernest Hemingway used the term as the title for his memoirs, A Moveable
Feast, of life in Paris in the 1920s. This usage has become a popular phrase in
food contexts.
Moveable feasts in Christianity
* Mardi Gras - 47 days before Easter
* Ash Wednesday - 46 days before Easter
* Easter - the date around which the others are placed
* Ascension Day - 40 days after Easter
* Pentecost - 50 days after Easter
* Corpus Christi - 60 days after Easter
* feast days of some significant saints days, if a movable feast falls too
close to their usual date.
Fixed feasts in Christianity
* Christmas - December 25
* Transfiguration - August 6
* Dormition of the Theotokos - August 15
* Presentation of Christ in the Temple - February 2
* Exaltation of the Cross - September 15
* feast days of most individual saints
Moveable feasts in Japanese calendar
* Coming-of-age Day (????) - 2nd Monday of January
* Maritime Day (???) - 3rd Monday of July
* Respect-for-the-aged Day (????) - 3rd Monday of September
* Health-Sports Day (????) - 2nd Monday of October
Moveable US public holidays
* Martin Luther King Day - Third Monday of January
* Presidents' Day - Second Monday of February
* Memorial Day - Last Monday of May
* Labor Day - First Monday of September
* Columbus Day - Second Monday of October
* Thanksgiving Day - Fourth Thursday of November
Moveable Canadian public holidays
* Victoria Day - Monday on or immediately before May 24 (one week before
Memorial Day in the USA)
* Labour Day - First Monday of September
* Thanksgiving Day - Second Monday of October
http://www.google.com/search?num=25&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=%22movable+feast%22+holidays&btnG=Search
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User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 02 Aug 2004 10:13:10 AM
"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040802084313.16712.00001958@mb-m22.aol.com...

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."

"...the sweet sounds of trees falling in the wood?"

-- Hemingway

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?

Yo mamma is so fat that she covers the globe?


Bret Cahill



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User: "Tim"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 04 Aug 2004 10:14:12 AM
"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040802084313.16712.00001958@mb-m22.aol.com...

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."


"...the sweet sounds of trees falling in the wood?"

-- Hemingway

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?


Yo mamma is so fat that she covers the globe?


Bret Cahill






Your mother is so fat that when she wears her Malcolm X T-shirt helicopters
land on her.
Your mother is so fat that when she stepped off of the curb and I swerved to
miss her I ran out of gas.
Your mother is so fat she bleeds gravy.
Your mother is so fat she wears an asteroid belt.
Notwithstanding she sure cooked me a nice breakfast the other day. While we
chated she talked of her illegitimate child A.K.A Immortalist. She was quite
shocked that she got pregnant after sitting on a public toilet seat. She was
even more shocked that you managed to crawl out of the bucket after the
abortion. All in all she's a good cook but obviously she'd have to be to get
that big.
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User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 04 Aug 2004 11:26:39 AM
"Tim" <arg@rag.dsj> wrote in message
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."


"...the sweet sounds of trees falling in the wood?"

-- Hemingway

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?


Yo mamma is so fat that she covers the globe?


Your mother is so fat that when she wears her Malcolm X T-shirt helicopters
land on her.

Your mother is so fat that when she stepped off of the curb and I swerved to
miss her I ran out of gas.

Your mother is so fat she bleeds gravy.

Your mother is so fat she wears an asteroid belt.

Notwithstanding she sure cooked me a nice breakfast the other day. While we
chated she talked of her illegitimate child A.K.A Immortalist. She was quite
shocked that she got pregnant after sitting on a public toilet seat. She was
even more shocked that you managed to crawl out of the bucket after the
abortion. All in all she's a good cook but obviously she'd have to be to get
that big.

From the Associated Press:
With stories of terrorist groups assembling in the large parts of Canada and news
has come that local authorities have uncovered a terrorist cell that may have
ties to the terrorist group al-Quaida.
On Saturday morning, local authorities assisted personnel from the FBI and INS in
raids in Toronto. During the raids five members of the group have been arrested
and a sixth remains at large.
Arrested in the sweep were; 'Bin Eatin'; 'Bin Smokin'; 'Bin Sleepin'; 'Bin
Drinkin'; and 'Bin N'Prisn'. All are being held on immigration charges.
A Toronto Police Department spokesperson said that they have been unsuccessful in
locating the sixth member of the group, 'Bin Workin'. Police however, expressed
their confidence in locating 'Bin Workin', adding that he'd certainly be easy to
spot in Canada.


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User: "Tim"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 04 Aug 2004 01:04:32 PM
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"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."


"...the sweet sounds of trees falling in the wood?"

-- Hemingway

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human

nature?


Yo mamma is so fat that she covers the globe?


Your mother is so fat that when she wears her Malcolm X T-shirt

helicopters

land on her.

Your mother is so fat that when she stepped off of the curb and I

swerved to

miss her I ran out of gas.

Your mother is so fat she bleeds gravy.

Your mother is so fat she wears an asteroid belt.

Notwithstanding she sure cooked me a nice breakfast the other day. While

we

chated she talked of her illegitimate child A.K.A Immortalist. She was

quite

shocked that she got pregnant after sitting on a public toilet seat. She

was

even more shocked that you managed to crawl out of the bucket after the
abortion. All in all she's a good cook but obviously she'd have to be to

get

that big.


From the Associated Press:
With stories of terrorist groups assembling in the large parts of Canada
and news has come that local authorities have uncovered a terrorist cell
that may have ties to the terrorist group al-Quaida. This has caused a huge
panic in the U.S. as only about 1 in 900 Americans are capable of finding
a foreign country on a map and only 1 in 1,000,000 are capable of using
a compass to find their way there.

On Saturday morning, local Canadian authorities assisted personnel from
the FBI and INS in raids in Toronto. The Toronto authorities gave detailed
instructions to the FBI and INS agents on the use of a map and compass.
Notwithstanding the U.S. group navigated with the map upside down and
had to be escorted, after leaving Buffalo N.Y., from Texas back to Toronto
by Canadian grade school students on a field trip. During the raids five
members of the U.S. group arrested one another - a sixth remains at large.

Arrested in the sweep were; 'Bin Eatin'; 'Bin Smokin'; 'Bin Sleepin'; 'Bin
Drinkin'; and 'Bin N'Prisn'. All are being held on immigration charges by
the others.

A Toronto Police Department spokesperson said that they have been
unsuccessful in reminding the U.S. agents that they were looking for Arab
suspects and that the U.S. agents weren't the terrorists. After repeated
attempts at communication with the U.S agents the only response Canadian
authorities received was "Duuuuheeeeeerraaaaahhhblaaaaaahh".Police
however, expressed their confidence in locating 'Bin Workin', adding that
he'd certainly be easy to spot in Canada as Canadian authorities would not
have to rely on U.S. authorities to find him.

Exactly.
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User: "ShrikeBack"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 02 Aug 2004 03:15:42 PM
(BretCahill) wrote in message news:<20040802084313.16712.00001958@mb-m22.aol.com>...

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."

-- Hemingway

A man. Not "man".

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?

.
User: "BretCahill"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 03 Aug 2004 12:54:26 AM
(ShrikeBack) in

Message-id: <59b8bc96.0408021215.4d10cfe8@posting.google.com> writes:

bretcahill@aol.com (BretCahill) wrote in message
news:<20040802084313.16712.00001958@mb-m22.aol.com>...

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."

-- Hemingway


A man. Not "man".

Are you Repugs gonna force this A man to
kneel down and pary to creationism science?
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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User: "ShrikeBack"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 03 Aug 2004 09:29:50 AM
(BretCahill) wrote in message news:<20040803015426.26080.00001170@mb-m28.aol.com>...

hewpiedawg@hotmail.com (ShrikeBack) in

Message-id: <59b8bc96.0408021215.4d10cfe8@posting.google.com> writes:

(BretCahill) wrote in message
news:<20040802084313.16712.00001958@mb-m22.aol.com>...

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."

-- Hemingway


A man. Not "man".


Are you Repugs gonna force this A man to
kneel down and pary to creationism science?

I certainly won't. But you want to force this Man to
make one small step towards a Great Leap Forward for
mankind, isn't that right, Mr. Levelthewealth?
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User: "Chzwmn"

Title: Re: Applies In the East As Well As the West 10 Aug 2004 11:00:52 AM

"Man can be destroyed but not defeated."

-- Hemingway


A man. Not "man".

This certainly applies in the world of Islam as well as the West.

Does anyone have any other cross cultural statements about human nature?


But men can be both destroyed and defeated. They can be destroyed without being
defeated but can also be defeated without being destroyed: this is the wise
way.
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