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Science > Philosophy |
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"Joseph H" |
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10 Oct 2004 05:44:19 AM |
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COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
Could we be otherwise than we are? Could any creature that has emerged
from the crucible of evolution be devoid of agression and the capacity
to attack? Is it possible that a creature could emerge from this
crucible without these fundasmental capacities? And, taking these
capacities for granted, is it possible that a creature will desist
from using them and aplying them in whatever situations they
encounter? And even if a particularily intelligent creature emerges
from evolution will they somehow magically desist from using and
applying their agressive capacity? Will they somehow suddenly become
passive and quiescent? Is such a thing possible? And if this creature
invents vast new machines of destruction will they suddenly renounce
the use of them - or will they apply them to prevail in their ongoing
struggles with others?
And if all this is the case, then it is the case and we should simply
accept the conditions pertaining to our existence and work as hard as
we can to remove the reasons for struggle by, for example,seeking the
best ways to end poverty or seeking the best ways to bring about a
peaceful solution to territorial disputes.
Endless bleating about our horrific nature will not help.
Humanisation might.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "block" |
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| Title: Re: COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
10 Oct 2004 03:26:02 PM |
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"Joseph H" <joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
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fundasmental capacities?
hmmmm, the idea of being mental and getting funding appeals no end.
would you fund me?
I am mental!
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| User: "Welsh Taxidermist" |
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| Title: Re: COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
10 Oct 2004 04:29:00 PM |
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"Joseph H" <joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
news:2b0ce0c5.0410100244.61a6c54b@posting.google.com...
Could we be otherwise than we are? Could any creature that has emerged
from the crucible of evolution be devoid of agression and the capacity
to attack? Is it possible that a creature could emerge from this
crucible without these fundasmental capacities? And, taking these
capacities for granted, is it possible that a creature will desist
from using them and aplying them in whatever situations they
encounter? And even if a particularily intelligent creature emerges
from evolution will they somehow magically desist from using and
applying their agressive capacity? Will they somehow suddenly become
passive and quiescent? Is such a thing possible? And if this
creature
Yes. Yes, some of us can and we will be eaten by
those who can't.
invents vast new machines of destruction will they suddenly renounce
the use of them - or will they apply them to prevail in their ongoing
struggles with others?
And if all this is the case, then it is the case and we should simply
accept the conditions pertaining to our existence and work as hard as
we can to remove the reasons for struggle by, for example,seeking the
best ways to end poverty or seeking the best ways to bring about a
peaceful solution to territorial disputes.
Endless bleating about our horrific nature will not help.
Humanisation might.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "theBeaver" |
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| Title: Re: COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
12 Oct 2004 01:04:32 AM |
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Joseph H wrote:
Could we be otherwise than we are? Could any creature that has emerged
from the crucible of evolution be devoid of agression and the capacity
to attack?
I think I read about these large emu-like birds that had been isolated
on a tropical island for who knows how long. They had no natural
predators on this little island, so when Man discovered this island, he
could walk right up to them and cut their heads off with no problem.
Which Man promptly did. And it was good, and He was proud! So the
answer to your question is YES.
Is it possible that a creature could emerge from this
crucible without these fundasmental capacities? And, taking these
capacities for granted, is it possible that a creature will desist
from using them and aplying them in whatever situations they
encounter? And even if a particularily intelligent creature emerges
from evolution will they somehow magically desist from using and
applying their agressive capacity? Will they somehow suddenly become
passive and quiescent? Is such a thing possible? And if this creature
invents vast new machines of destruction will they suddenly renounce
the use of them - or will they apply them to prevail in their ongoing
struggles with others?
And if all this is the case, then it is the case and we should simply
accept the conditions pertaining to our existence and work as hard as
we can to remove the reasons for struggle by, for example,seeking the
best ways to end poverty or seeking the best ways to bring about a
peaceful solution to territorial disputes.
Endless bleating about our horrific nature will not help.
Humanisation might.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "Ash Ellis" |
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| Title: Re: COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
12 Oct 2004 02:11:47 AM |
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"theBeaver" <theBeaver@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Joseph H wrote:
Could we be otherwise than we are? Could any creature that has emerged
from the crucible of evolution be devoid of agression and the capacity
to attack?
I think I read about these large emu-like birds that had been isolated
on a tropical island for who knows how long. They had no natural
predators on this little island, so when Man discovered this island, he
could walk right up to them and cut their heads off with no problem.
Which Man promptly did. And it was good, and He was proud! So the
answer to your question is YES.
Yes, the island you are talking about is known as New Zealand ;). The bird
is a Moa, and they, along with many other animals isolated on our land have
almost no defensive mechanisms and are verging on extinction (kakapo and
kiwi for example)
--
Ash Ellis
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| User: "ralph" |
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| Title: Re: COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
13 Oct 2004 12:43:58 PM |
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In message <ckg03k$9op$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, Ash Ellis
<mr_boxerboy@hotmail.com> writes
"theBeaver" <theBeaver@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:QtKad.2408$y71.2334@trnddc02...
Joseph H wrote:
Could we be otherwise than we are? Could any creature that has emerged
from the crucible of evolution be devoid of agression and the capacity
to attack?
I think I read about these large emu-like birds that had been isolated
on a tropical island for who knows how long. They had no natural
predators on this little island, so when Man discovered this island, he
could walk right up to them and cut their heads off with no problem.
Which Man promptly did. And it was good, and He was proud! So the
answer to your question is YES.
Yes, the island you are talking about is known as New Zealand ;). The bird
is a Moa, and they, along with many other animals isolated on our land have
almost no defensive mechanisms and are verging on extinction (kakapo and
kiwi for example)
--
Ash Ellis
But I believe you are well off for possums?
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ralph
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| User: "Ash Ellis" |
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| Title: Re: COULD WE BE OTHERWISE THAN WE ARE? |
14 Oct 2004 05:37:03 AM |
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"ralph" <ralph@eddlewood.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZuA5V7AelWbBFwne@eddlewood.demon.co.uk...
In message <ckg03k$9op$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, Ash Ellis
<mr_boxerboy@hotmail.com> writes
"theBeaver" <theBeaver@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:QtKad.2408$y71.2334@trnddc02...
Joseph H wrote:
Could we be otherwise than we are? Could any creature that has
emerged
from the crucible of evolution be devoid of agression and the
capacity
to attack?
I think I read about these large emu-like birds that had been isolated
on a tropical island for who knows how long. They had no natural
predators on this little island, so when Man discovered this island, he
could walk right up to them and cut their heads off with no problem.
Which Man promptly did. And it was good, and He was proud! So the
answer to your question is YES.
Yes, the island you are talking about is known as New Zealand ;). The
bird
is a Moa, and they, along with many other animals isolated on our land
have
almost no defensive mechanisms and are verging on extinction (kakapo and
kiwi for example)
--
Ash Ellis
But I believe you are well off for possums?
Oh yes, I could hit about three of them with my cat from where I'm sitting
--
Ash Ellis
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