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"ta" |
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03 Jan 2008 11:21:44 AM |
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Creating dependency |
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
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| User: "Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 03:01:08 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:891f56ba-59f8-4098-ba6f-883ef97fa601@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
"Tough Love" is for juvenile delinquents. To use such an approach with a
person suffering from poverty make's as much sense as using the same
approach for someone dying of a curable disease.
"Tough love"--another excuse for doing nothing and not feeling guilty about
it.
Scott
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 05:11:50 PM |
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On Jan 3, 4:01 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:891f56ba-59f8-4098-ba6f-883ef97fa601@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
"Tough Love" is for juvenile delinquents. To use such an approach with a
person suffering from poverty make's as much sense as using the same
approach for someone dying of a curable disease.
"Tough love"--another excuse for doing nothing and not feeling guilty about
it.
Scott
Did you watch the video? The guy in the "tough love" segment is
actually doing something to help people, rather than just providing
handouts indiscriminately, which only serves to create more
dependence.
Many of these other "charities" are actually doing worse than doing
nothing -- they are ultimately doing these people harm by fostering
dependence (but it sure does make them feel good to be doing it).
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| User: "Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 06:45:59 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c28542a9-3973-4d6e-83d5-61cc620234e7@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 3, 4:01 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:891f56ba-59f8-4098-ba6f-883ef97fa601@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
"Tough Love" is for juvenile delinquents. To use such an approach with a
person suffering from poverty make's as much sense as using the same
approach for someone dying of a curable disease.
"Tough love"--another excuse for doing nothing and not feeling guilty
about
it.
Scott
Did you watch the video? The guy in the "tough love" segment is
actually doing something to help people, rather than just providing
handouts indiscriminately, which only serves to create more
dependence.
Many of these other "charities" are actually doing worse than doing
nothing -- they are ultimately doing these people harm by fostering
dependence (but it sure does make them feel good to be doing it).
Sorry--You are right, I did not notice the link.
Having now seen the clip, and knowing how good homeless people really have
it, now I can, in good conscounce, stop giving money to people who say they
are "needy"!
In fact, why not just have private industry take over the homeless problem?
They can all be put into camps and transported to and from menial jobs day
after day! Think what this will do for our labor shortages! Of course, any
kids that the homeless have will have to grow up property of the camp they
are born into. Just think an endless supply of cheap labor!
Scott
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 09:22:34 PM |
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On Jan 3, 7:45 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c28542a9-3973-4d6e-83d5-61cc620234e7@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 3, 4:01 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:891f56ba-59f8-4098-ba6f-883ef97fa601@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
"Tough Love" is for juvenile delinquents. To use such an approach with a
person suffering from poverty make's as much sense as using the same
approach for someone dying of a curable disease.
"Tough love"--another excuse for doing nothing and not feeling guilty
about
it.
Scott
Did you watch the video? The guy in the "tough love" segment is
actually doing something to help people, rather than just providing
handouts indiscriminately, which only serves to create more
dependence.
Many of these other "charities" are actually doing worse than doing
nothing -- they are ultimately doing these people harm by fostering
dependence (but it sure does make them feel good to be doing it).
Sorry--You are right, I did not notice the link.
Having now seen the clip, and knowing how good homeless people really have
it, now I can, in good conscounce, stop giving money to people who say they
are "needy"!
Red herring. You say you watched, then you totally miss the point.
In fact, why not just have private industry take over the homeless problem?
They can all be put into camps and transported to and from menial jobs day
after day! Think what this will do for our labor shortages! Of course, any
kids that the homeless have will have to grow up property of the camp they
are born into. Just think an endless supply of cheap labor!
Scott
Straw man.
In the real world, any work that puts food on the table is meaningful
work. There's nothing denigrating about washing cars for food and
shelter.
That you find it so says more about you than the people providing the
work.
Would you prefer he offer them a cozy office job writing code or
designing buildings?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
07 Jan 2008 09:20:24 AM |
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On Jan 3, 7:45=A0pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c28542a9-3973-4d6e-83d5-61cc620234e7@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 3, 4:01 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:891f56ba-59f8-4098-ba6f-883ef97fa601@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com..=
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Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems t=
o
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3D4teq7aKTNJ4
"Tough Love" is for juvenile delinquents. =A0To use such an approach wi=
th a
person suffering from poverty make's as much sense as using the same
approach for someone dying of a curable disease.
"Tough love"--another excuse for doing nothing and not feeling guilty
about
it.
Scott
Did you watch the video? The guy in the "tough love" segment is
actually doing something to help people, rather than just providing
handouts indiscriminately, which only serves to create more
dependence.
Many of these other "charities" are actually doing worse than doing
nothing -- they are ultimately doing these people harm by fostering
dependence (but it sure does make them feel good to be doing it).
Sorry--You are right, I did not notice the link.
Having now seen the clip, and knowing how good homeless people really have=
it, now I can, in good conscounce, stop giving money to people who say the=
y
are "needy"!
In fact, why not just have private industry take over the homeless problem=
?
They can all be put into camps and transported to and from menial jobs day=
after day! =A0Think what this will do for our labor shortages! =A0Of cours=
e, any
kids that the homeless have will have to grow up property of the camp they=
are born into. =A0Just think an endless supply of cheap labor!
Scott- Hide quoted text -
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"Private Industry" does run many of the homeless shelters and other
resources for those in need. They are much more efficient and result
oriented then the governement ever could be. Also they are better
able to target their resources to those in need and avoid those
milking the system.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 12:32:08 PM |
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On Jan 3, 11:21=A0am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3D4teq7aKTNJ4
REPLY: Free handouts to the wrong person doesnt spur them on toward
accepting responsibility and building integrity . Its called
'milking' others and the System.
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| User: "ken" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 01:29:54 PM |
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On Jan 3, 10:32=A0am, dumbshit dave in lake evil @gmail.com> wrote:
REPLY: =A0Free handouts to the wrong person doesnt spur them on toward
accepting responsibility and building integrity . =A0Its called
'milking' =A0others and the System.
While Dimwitted dave's contributions to the world has been just one
more endless lie, misquote, fiction, misstatement, fantasy, fable,
myth, misconception or creationist delusion after another
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| User: "Ed" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 04:46:36 PM |
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On Jan 3, 12:21 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
The difficulty is knowing which ones need help and which ones need
"tough love". This difficulty is compounded by the fact that "the
system" does not make careful, reasoned judgments about each
individual, but instead makes up *classes* that get certain treatments
and or benefits and assigns individuals, more or less arbitrarily, to
these classes. In this scheme people almost never get what they need
and seldom what they want.
Ed
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 05:07:09 PM |
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On Jan 3, 5:46 pm, Ed <solon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Jan 3, 12:21 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4teq7aKTNJ4
The difficulty is knowing which ones need help and which ones need
"tough love". This difficulty is compounded by the fact that "the
system" does not make careful, reasoned judgments about each
individual, but instead makes up *classes* that get certain treatments
and or benefits and assigns individuals, more or less arbitrarily, to
these classes. In this scheme people almost never get what they need
and seldom what they want.
Ed
Perhaps some of the money that seems to be just given out
indiscriminately could be allocated to providing professional
counseling and psychotherapy to those that need it (and to be used for
determining who needs it and who does not).
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| User: "Michael Gordge" |
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| Title: Re: Creating dependency |
03 Jan 2008 05:17:17 PM |
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On Jan 4, 8:07=A0am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:46 pm, Ed <solon...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Jan 3, 12:21 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Generosity seems to be a double-edged sword . . . I don't believe in
letting people starve to death, but the "tough love" approach seems to=
be the most humane approach. Obviously many homeless people have
serious psychological disorders, and they should be taken care of at
society's expense, but for many of these people, just giving them
stuff probably does more harm than good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3D4teq7aKTNJ4
The difficulty is knowing which ones need help and which ones need
"tough love". =A0This difficulty is compounded by the fact that "the
system" does not make careful, reasoned judgments about each
individual, but instead makes up *classes* that get certain treatments
and or benefits and assigns individuals, more or less arbitrarily, to
these classes. =A0In this scheme people almost never get what they need
and seldom what they want.
Ed
Perhaps some of the money that seems to be just given out
indiscriminately could be allocated to providing professional
Even better, that just you and you all by yourself determine who and
why and how you choose to share the results of your energy enacted by
your ideas with, now thats fair, why? consider the alternative.
MG
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