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"neutrino" |
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06 Nov 2006 05:54:26 PM |
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Does it matter? |
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
07 Nov 2006 05:31:06 PM |
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Like many such thought provoking hypotheticals, you put man "outside" of
nature.
Big mistake. Of course, you are free to cut yur ties anytime, as long as you
are good at book keeping :-)
BOfL
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| User: "-Phil Clemence" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
08 Nov 2006 01:38:33 AM |
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Like many such thought provoking hypotheticals, you put man "outside" of
nature.
Big mistake. Of course, you are free to cut yur ties anytime, as long as
you are good at book keeping :-)
BOfL
That is a great way to put it.
I think we can learn more by sometimes cutting the reope and holding the
ends in each hand.
With science it is more like marking instead of cutting - we can see what
happens by the movement of the markers, but maybe we can understand more
(but not necessarily better) when we cut.
-Phil Clemece
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
09 Nov 2006 03:59:43 AM |
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"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Like many such thought provoking hypotheticals, you put man "outside" of
nature.
Big mistake. Of course, you are free to cut yur ties anytime, as long as
you are good at book keeping :-)
BOfL
That is a great way to put it.
I think we can learn more by sometimes cutting the reope and holding the
ends in each hand.
I would suggest that the rope keeps hold of us :-).
With science it is more like marking instead of cutting - we can see what
happens by the movement of the markers, but maybe we can understand more
(but not necessarily better) when we cut.
More but not better sums it up perfectly !!!
BOfL
-Phil Clemece
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| User: "Milan" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
06 Nov 2006 07:53:44 PM |
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
It does, because I'm coming back as a penguin and the melting of the
Antarctica worries me no end.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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07 Nov 2006 05:34:26 PM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
It does, because I'm coming back as a penguin and the melting of the
Antarctica worries me no end.
regards
Milan
That good confirmation of consciousness progress ;-)
BOfL
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
06 Nov 2006 08:59:15 PM |
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
We are all the same individual, so it does matter whether we continue
through our offspring.
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
I think God would wonder why man was contemplating suicide.
He may get worried, and send down angelic psychiatrists with good medicine
to try to jump start man into wanting to continue again.
If that failed...well, God has been back to the drawing board on at least
one occasion.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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07 Nov 2006 05:36:56 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
We are all the same individual, so it does matter whether we continue
through our offspring.
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
I think God would wonder why man was contemplating suicide.
He may get worried, and send down angelic psychiatrists with good medicine
to try to jump start man into wanting to continue again.
If that failed...well, God has been back to the drawing board on at least
one occasion.
That wasnt "God", but man trying to improve on perfection!
BOfL
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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06 Nov 2006 07:28:38 PM |
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote:
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision... no more babies!
If we all decided to do that, then the people who refused to go along
and secretly have babies would be the only people to carry on the next
generation. And there *will* be people who go back on the deal, there
always are.
would it really matter to us that there would be no-one left to
carry on?
Yes. We are genetically programed to care about who's left to carry on.
--
To send me email, put "sheltie" in the subject.
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| User: "-Phil Clemence" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
06 Nov 2006 11:36:42 PM |
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"Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote:
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision... no more babies!
If we all decided to do that, then the people who refused to go along
and secretly have babies would be the only people to carry on the next
generation. And there *will* be people who go back on the deal, there
always are.
wait! stop!
really ... You say that we all DID decide to not have babies - then you
say some didn't.. Well, I know that a decision made can be changed, but
surely you got the idea that everyone decided and followed their decision.
Sure, you can argue that it is impossible to do that, but then why even
comment when you are not commenting on the scenario implied ?
I know it only makes sense to apply what we know, but I think it really does
help to understand more than we know to try very hard to put aside what we
know while we look at something.
This aspect of learning about how things work (by looking harder at the
ways in which they don't) is so clear in study of the brain. It is so hard
to see how the brain integrates and processes information, but when
something is damaged, the loss of that process, or change in it, can reveal
how it works. (I have been looking at what those neuro guys are doing a
it - Google Ramachandran)
Sometimes it seems like you don't learn anything as you look at the
hypothetical, even when you give it a lot of weight by holding back the
influence of what is real ... until you see in what WAYS it is not real and
how it compares to what *is* real when you give it the full weight of what
is real. That is hard to do sometimes ...
Sometimes there is so little substance we have a hard time really giving it
the weight of reality to see how it affects other things. It is hard to
judge the weight of a feather (hypothesis) while holding a brick (known
reality).
If you put down the brick, after a while you can start to feel the weight of
the feather ...
Sometimes it doesn't seem to reveal much, but other times you can come up
with relativity or something.
It is worth a shot ;)
would it really matter to us that there would be no-one left to
carry on?
Yes. We are genetically programed to care about who's left to carry on.
But when we are all dead, genetics won't mean much unless there is some
'spirit' that can carry that info and some emotion to make us care.
--
To send me email, put "sheltie" in the subject.
Hmm... I never thought about that way to filter spam.
If I had put aside what I did know about filtering spam maybe it would have
come to me ;)
-Phil Clemence
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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06 Nov 2006 06:37:24 PM |
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Are you ok? You sound a little down.
"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1162857266.248636.265970@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "neutrino" |
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06 Nov 2006 07:28:49 PM |
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AKA gray asphalt wrote:
Are you ok? You sound a little down.
7 days to create it....
and an eternity to Fix,
You'd be feelin' down too~!~
I shoulda quit on day 6.
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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08 Nov 2006 12:48:13 AM |
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"neutrino" <stuartr@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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AKA gray asphalt wrote:
Are you ok? You sound a little down.
7 days to create it....
and an eternity to Fix,
You'd be feelin' down too~!~
I shoulda quit on day 6.
So, no offense, are you ok? Not that I could say anything to help. I've been
depressed though and I can tell you how I kind of got out of it. But I don't
know how you feel. It's just that you seemed down in that one post.
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| User: "chazwin" |
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08 Nov 2006 10:28:57 AM |
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I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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09 Nov 2006 04:00:39 AM |
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"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
Is that how you define patronising?
BOfL
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "-Phil Clemence" |
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09 Nov 2006 07:23:17 AM |
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163003337.301950.65850@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
Is that how you define patronising?
BOfL
oh ...
I think they just mean that there is a pretty overpowering feeling that when
you are a parent the future matters more to you (you think about it in
relation to your children).
Maybe not patronizing... maybe they mean the future holds more meaning to
them than a rational person would feel...
Maybe it is an admission of overly affected judgement
you might be right of course
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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09 Nov 2006 05:41:43 PM |
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"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163003337.301950.65850@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
Is that how you define patronising?
BOfL
oh ...
I think they just mean that there is a pretty overpowering feeling that
when you are a parent the future matters more to you (you think about it
in relation to your children).
Maybe not patronizing... maybe they mean the future holds more meaning to
them than a rational person would feel...
Maybe it is an admission of overly affected judgement
you might be right of course
Hey Phil,
I was being specific in relation to the fact that I said to chazwin, "I had
a particular attitude as you, befor I saw things differently". From that ,
he got "patronising git"...But also said "no insult intended".
Very confused (as I used to be hehehehe)
BOfL
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "-Phil Clemence" |
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09 Nov 2006 10:34:56 PM |
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163003337.301950.65850@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
Is that how you define patronising?
BOfL
oh ...
I think they just mean that there is a pretty overpowering feeling that
when you are a parent the future matters more to you (you think about it
in relation to your children).
Maybe not patronizing... maybe they mean the future holds more meaning to
them than a rational person would feel...
Maybe it is an admission of overly affected judgement
you might be right of course
Hey Phil,
I was being specific in relation to the fact that I said to chazwin, "I
had a particular attitude as you, befor I saw things differently". From
that , he got "patronising git"...But also said "no insult intended".
Very confused (as I used to be hehehehe)
BOfL
"Git" is being bdiscussed in another thread .. oh ... maybe YOU are one of
those discussing it..
I am bad with names.
I worry I may end up deep in a thread presenting an idea to convince
someone their view is backwards... only to realize they were the one who
originally convinced me of the idea :(
"O.K., maybe your right ... but someone somewhere said something and I am
going to argue with them as soon as I figure out what they said and where
they said it."
Anyway, I like "git" too. I never knew exactly what it meant, but I only
ever heard it in Monty Python, so I attach a lot of humor to it :)
It is not as if you had said,"I had a particular attitude as you, when i was
stupid".
The way you put it only says that your attitude was changed - it doesn't say
your attitude was particularly bad or a stupid attitude. It does seem to
indicate that you think your attitude is now 'better' in some way, but the
fact that you did not say how much smarter you are now or how much clearer
you see things I had to take it as intending to avoid insult and simply
suggest that he too may see things differently in the future. If I carry it
a little further (as I tend to) it could be that latley you feel you are
losing your grip on reality and it could be a wrning for him to stick to his
view ;)
Now I don't really believe that and I did not look back to see how you
presented your view(s). I just think that while looking at the full range of
possibilities might not bring me closer to the truth, it can help me where
my intepretation lies within that range. In science, if you think your
experiment is accurate, you can discard the low probabilities while you
focus on the high, but with people and what they say and think ... it seems
wise to give the unlikely a bit more weight :-D
Oh, I jump to conclusions and extrapolate other's ideas for them and read
into what they say .. but I try to remember the range of conclusions,
extrapolations and interpretations there might be. Unfortunately, I usually
remember after I post ;)
-Phil Clemence
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to
us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let
it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with
one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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09 Nov 2006 11:01:16 AM |
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Brian Fletcher wrote:
"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163003337.301950.65850@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
Is that how you define patronising?
Of course not! Anyone can be a parent. Care of and love for the younger
generation changes one perspective utterly.
BOfL
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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09 Nov 2006 05:42:52 PM |
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"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163091676.813864.93750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Brian Fletcher wrote:
"chazwin" <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163003337.301950.65850@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I get the feeling that you are not a parent!
I might have asked this question before I was a parent but no longer.
Is that how you define patronising?
Of course not! Anyone can be a parent. Care of and love for the younger
generation changes one perspective utterly.
Then call me an empathetic git, if you want to be consistent.
BOfL
BOfL
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to
us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let
it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with
one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "tg" |
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07 Nov 2006 05:38:15 AM |
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neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
But wouldn't making such a decision contradict your premise about not
caring what happens in the future?
How about simply limiting births to one per woman until there were 300
million humans left? Do you think we still wouldn't be able to live in
harmony along with the other animals?
-tg
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
07 Nov 2006 05:38:58 PM |
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"tg" <tgdenning@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1162899495.098481.175600@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
But wouldn't making such a decision contradict your premise about not
caring what happens in the future?
How about simply limiting births to one per woman until there were 300
million humans left? Do you think we still wouldn't be able to live in
harmony along with the other animals?
-tg
Harmony is not a result of what humans do, but a cause.
BOfL
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| User: "tg" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
07 Nov 2006 05:40:21 AM |
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neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
But wouldn't making such a decision contradict your premise about not
caring what happens in the future?
How about simply limiting births to one per woman until there were 300
million humans left? Do you think we still wouldn't be able to live in
harmony along with the other animals?
-tg
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
07 Nov 2006 05:40:06 PM |
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"tg" <tgdenning@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1162899621.081287.23660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
But wouldn't making such a decision contradict your premise about not
caring what happens in the future?
How about simply limiting births to one per woman until there were 300
million humans left? Do you think we still wouldn't be able to live in
harmony along with the other animals?
-tg
Is that 3 billion per post ? ;-))
BOfL
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| User: "George Dance" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
07 Nov 2006 05:26:37 AM |
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neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
The consequences of having no more babies would matter to individuals
before they died. For example, when a person retires, and needs to
live off what younger people produce. In the case of your hypothetical
decision, the older people would get that benefit, while the younger
ones would not; so it would be irrational for the younger to agree to
it.
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| User: "-Phil Clemence" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
08 Nov 2006 01:31:26 AM |
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"George Dance" <georgedance04@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1162898796.963293.59750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
The consequences of having no more babies would matter to individuals
before they died. For example, when a person retires, and needs to
live off what younger people produce. In the case of your hypothetical
decision, the older people would get that benefit, while the younger
ones would not; so it would be irrational for the younger to agree to
it.
Irrational? It is hypothetical.
You must first accept the idea that:
"So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!"
Your judgment of whether it is rational to make that decision is irrelevant.
The decision has been made.
It is no wonder there is so much cheating. People won't abide by rules even
in hypothetical debate.
I don't think it is intentional , and that is what worries me.
I am not the type to agree with every rule - I obey or break them as I see
fit, but if you want to play this game, play by the rules, or you are
playing some other game.
-Phil Clemence
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| User: "George Dance" |
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08 Nov 2006 06:48:34 AM |
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-Phil Clemence wrote:
"George Dance" <georgedance04@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1162898796.963293.59750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
The consequences of having no more babies would matter to individuals
before they died. For example, when a person retires, and needs to
live off what younger people produce. In the case of your hypothetical
decision, the older people would get that benefit, while the younger
ones would not; so it would be irrational for the younger to agree to
it.
Irrational? It is hypothetical.
You must first accept the idea that:
"So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!"
Your judgment of whether it is rational to make that decision is irrelevant.
The decision has been made.
It is no wonder there is so much cheating. People won't abide by rules even
in hypothetical debate.
I don't think it is intentional , and that is what worries me.
I am not the type to agree with every rule - I obey or break them as I see
fit, but if you want to play this game, play by the rules, or you are
playing some other game.
All right. Let's assume that a unanimous decision has been made - now
what?
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| User: "-Phil Clemence" |
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| Title: Re: Does it matter? |
08 Nov 2006 11:16:43 PM |
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"George Dance" <georgedance04@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1162990114.073671.123150@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
-Phil Clemence wrote:
"George Dance" <georgedance04@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1162898796.963293.59750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
neutrino wrote:
What does it matter to an individual - what happens on Earth after
he/she dies ?
does it really matter, your not here any more.... what goes after has
absolutely no concern to you...
So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!
each and every one of us!..... within 80 years or thereabouts....
the population of the panet would have plummeted to very few... and
soon.. through old age, lack of food perhaps for the handfull still
here.... we'd all pass on naturally.... would it really matter to
us
that there would be no-one left to carry on?
Choose to let humanity leave the planet - and leave it in peace, let
it
go back to nature, and let the other creatures live in harmony with
one
another as they once did with no-one dominating them al as we now do!
And having made such a decision - for all you religious types - would
God step in and prevent his creations from departing? what would His
reaction be? Would he intervene? assuming of course He's there....
Interesting scenario !?!
:) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
The consequences of having no more babies would matter to individuals
before they died. For example, when a person retires, and needs to
live off what younger people produce. In the case of your hypothetical
decision, the older people would get that benefit, while the younger
ones would not; so it would be irrational for the younger to agree to
it.
Irrational? It is hypothetical.
You must first accept the idea that:
"So what if we ALL decided - hypothetically speaking - we all made a
decision.... no more babies!"
Your judgment of whether it is rational to make that decision is
irrelevant.
The decision has been made.
It is no wonder there is so much cheating. People won't abide by rules
even
in hypothetical debate.
I don't think it is intentional , and that is what worries me.
I am not the type to agree with every rule - I obey or break them as I
see
fit, but if you want to play this game, play by the rules, or you are
playing some other game.
All right. Let's assume that a unanimous decision has been made - now
what?
lol
I don't know - I was more interested in the process than the outcome.
As neutrino imagined we sure would die off quickly...
"Would it really matter to us" might mean : to those left near extinction,
(i think it would matter to them) but it made me start to think about ways
it might matter when we were all dead.
I don't really believe in a simple 'spirit', but I accept that there could
be something conscious after we die, however small, transient or unlike what
I can imagine.
I can't really take the ideas far because I don't know the details of how it
might be - just bits and connections of science and theories others have and
funny coincidences ...
I really thought that people who used the mysteries in science to allow for
wacky ideas like other dimensions or consciousness without our bodies were
just wishful thinking.
I thought it would reinforce my suspicion of that by learning more science,
but it isn't working out that way.
I thought others were misapplying but maybe i was just misunderstanding.
I am still cynical, but now more cynical about my cynicism.
I still want proof before I spend any time preparing for anything for myself
after death, but it doesn't take much effort to accept the possibility that
I don't know the unknown ;)
-Phil Clemence
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