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"Miller" <chumley702@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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If you knew for certian (somehow--just bear with me here if you can)
that
there was no afterlife, how would that affect you?

Regards, Scott

Nietzsche posed the question differently. He asked:

What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your
loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and
have
lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ...
Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the
demon
who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you
would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything
more
divine.' - The Gay Science.

---

As to your question. Well there definitely is an afterlife in so far as
one assumes that time and space keep going after one sheds their mortal
coil. If you mean some Christian notion of afterlife, well I'm as close
to certain as I am certain of myself that there ain't no heaven nor hell.
I don't think it changes a thing.

In a longer version, I paraphrased F.N. a few weeks ago when I asked the
same question, and no-one got it at all. I thought I would try again with
a more succinct format for this thread.

But I believe you have missed the point as well. Nietzsche wanted to see
if the reader could put themselves into a frame of mind where there was a
circumstance where they were aware, WITHOUT A DOUBT, that there was no
afterlife, that your present existence was the one and only. How would
this make you feel? Would you go mad with despair, or see divinity and
absolute freedom in your own life experience?

Most here answering this thread cannot even get past the idea of there
being no afterlife. (I am thinking that if they could, they would be in
the former situation.)

Regards, Scott

On Jan 11, 12:59 am, "brian fletcher" <brian...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

"Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote in message

news:BMxhj.53$QA2.26@newsfe06.lga...> If you knew for certian
(somehow--just bear with me here if you can) that

there was no afterlife, how would that affect you?

Regards, Scott

Wrong premise Scott.

I understand what you are asking, but life 'is'. Afterlife is an
oxymoron.

This is a variation on the approach "what would you do today if there was
no
tomorrow".

Fact is , there is no tomorrow.

BOfL

Actually you are always in tomorrow and behind or in past so to say as
the future has already occurred by the time you realize it or your
eyes see it.It has already happened and we are catching up.

SO there is obviously a tomorrow ,just not maybe next week ,but then
again. if we are energy and electricity cant die,it only changes
forms.then we will do same.Ergo must be more.

Many have gone to this other realm and came back to talk of it,
and many have claimed to have done so in previous lives even,recalling
poeple places and lives from other lifetime here in this fun abll of
wax we presume is life.
Many claim to see others that have or are doing so at moment in ghost
or spririt form,living in other dimension or realm of being.

There is obviously too much around me to say there is not flow to all
this and reasons for all things.
A distinctive purpose to all life here and I would think anywhere else
our little pee brains we use part only of would muster up.

As we all are connected in the big scheme of things working in fluid
perfection somehow effecting the other in our being or not being.
A distinct pattern going here ,a reason for all things and this subtle
connectivity and proof of others being alive after gone and so forth,
well why would you assume this was it.
I mean,when purpose for all life,this is not randomly done and its
very involved and finely tuned.
What have we learned here ya think to think this would be it.
I sometimes wonder if we are the lessor of the beings alive of most if
anything.
As most dimensions seem to be able to peer into ours and we still
remain oblivious in our shallow mind ego trips,
while they all can go in and out of thier dimensions,ours and I would
presume many others.
This leads me to think we are kinda held hostage here,forgetting our
true purpose and being maybe held back from our diviinty.
I do so hope this will be corrected soon,as with all round cyclic
things in this universe.
each has its day.
its cycle. its either a big loop or spiral or such or a little one,but
all things have cycles.
The fact that we are only species not psychic on this earth and not
using all our brains ,would make me think perhaps I wasnt the most
intelligent creature breathing in this universe with opposing thumbs.
I see the way the govt goes out of their way for weather balloons and
not hurricanes.
Going a bit too far in their in denial of any life existence or UFO
being really there for my comfort to think they
are doing a good job protecting us when all these witnesses seem to
seeing the things.
Got plenty on tapes too.
When will we believe our eyes and use some common sense?
Not buy into the crap they sit in our laps .especially when it makes
no connection what so ever with what theyd o and what they say is
real.
I see more like ,a hell of a try to deny these things,a a lot of
hidden space technologies and I would think
that if I were an alien,hiding from humans all this time,I would not
be careless enough,I seriously doubt they waste good meat or such like
this either,more a man thing,but you dont go throwing half lasered to
death cows out of ufos If you want to remain hidden.
That is kinda calling attention to yourself.

Hey just me maybe but I would not throw em out if I were being
elusive.
I also wouldn't want much to do with these barbaric humans who keep
doing
the same insane things over and over and have not learned much.
Animal kingdom surpassing us almost.

Fact is,our spirituality is not keeping up with our technology.
This is most likely gong to be leading to most troubled times ahead.
We listen to leaders whom lie to us,hide ancient truths from us.seem
to be imrisoning us on this oil lie so we sdont have
freedoms to fly away in our own free energy devices or such.
They seem to be determined to keep us in thier grasp. the fact they
make many millions of billions of brain chips in
outer space worries me a bit.
I think you have much to think there is more than this.
We certainly have to do this more ,cause we aint got it right yet
here.
Maybe so many rounds and times up,auto go or some go or what ever,but
this cant be it.
It makes no sense to it all.
It would all be for nothing.
I see definite signs of not for nothign randomness around me from bees
pollunating flowers to the saying that if
the honey bee dies ,we do too ,soon after.
showing a precison of connectivity to all things and we may not want
to admit this,but its evident to me.
I see reason for all life and purpose and a union of beauty and
promise if so taken in this way as it is lived or wasted in our case.
Existing and living are two different things.
I dare say we are more than taxes,working for roof over head while wwe
waste brilliant minds on stupid not needed thoughts and not using our
true abilites but jsut making our daily bread for roof and some fun.

Nope,its not it .
this isnt it.
I bet my hat on it.
Yours too
I also bet the other frequnecies of dimensions,that reason the pearly
gates are never guarded,no fear the nasty old devil wont come snekaing
in snatching angels or harp players. is due to the fact that you cant
be in that frequency if yor in his usual tone.
You see a whole lot of god gonig on h ere?
Or more him lately?
Perhaps we shall never leave if we dont change our tunes.
Ya think?
It has been proven though,each generation is rising in frequency.
So it seems that we are gong up in our tones unaware of such but still
it happens.
the great age of darkness is now leaving.
The age of light is coming.The photons with it.
We will be light bodies.
LIke they all left and said follow us,seek us.we prepare a spot for
you.
they left alive,in lighter than gravity bodies,said to prepare our
bodies for travel.
Never did they say,buy allthe lies they will hand you in lap,screw up
mother earth and your air and waters for some
to be comfy while you look other way as some starve and perish
unecessrily.
I thinkthe drift was care for your brothers and sisters and not only
the immediate family.
I think he meant we all one big one.
I also dont recallhim saying .hey I died for you so reak h avoc and
im gonna come save your hides again.
They never come back once they left all these prophets.
They all said to follow them tho.
We just sit here.
Perhaps when your this higher frequency and so good in heart,
they cannot lower themselves into this realm,and only way can come in
to this lower devil ruling world is thru us.
OUr actions,our love for one another is only way any thing so good
could be so low as we are now.
Im only hoping we go no lower.
Im on a sinking ship and i do so hope I can bail out.
It is not fair to be stuck here with so many who live in la la land of
denial and death.
Have no desire to improve or change,holdig some of others back.
I think the evening comes soon. I so do hope.or all of us go.fine,as
long as they change which they would have too,if rise.
so little bit lengthy here but I hope I ad some truth into your hearts
to think on.
Let what rings in harmony with your being be what you go with,and let
us all ring a beautiful cord.
But no more boinking on each others heads with bibles of love
please.Stupid books dont even have the whole thing put in it.
some parts left out,now what sane being would put so much into what
wasnt clearly whole.
If you so want to be ture to heart and soul,then seek truth for all.
not what is convenient and chicken sheep following all else is dong so
you do too. looking other way is enabling,period,its letting it occur.
Still guilty.
Lets clean up our messes,bring back the earth and our deaths here
healthy,get rid of the bozos in charge and maybe try
a different approach other than war and kids dieing all over the
place.
I think thousands of years trying it this way.is long enough and
perhaps our time is nearing.
We might want to utilize it wisely and do right things for a change.
Just in case I am right or semi right or even close.

But look around ya kids,.
This is harmony.
This , is a piece of music that sings so loud
as to having some out of this world composer creating this symphony,
You gotta be one good con to con self out fo what is apparent all
around.

Just because we sit in the bleachers and cant hear it
Doesnt mean it is not there playing with such magnificence and clarity
of blissful sound.
All the while we are here clanking on our
out of tune bafoonish noisemakers.
Ruining the music and harmony for the rest of the world.

Man, here with our rude insolence and Egos that go far beyond what we
give ourselves credit for..
taking the easy road instead of the truth of what we should be doing
here.
Letting our lives be sold out and used for whatever for some elite few
to be comfy and we jsut exist for some odd years,
have worries over what is not needed,letting our families be left our
lies,
basically we eat ,fart,*****,have sex and die.
Oh let us not forget we never leave anything better than when we got
itl.
Why is that.
In our brilliance of opposing thumbs we cannot manage to be anything
like the creator we are in image of but more the destroyer.
The image is spirit image. This bodily one,well,im thinking is school
perhaps and we failing.Miserably.

This is death if anything.
They always describe heaven or such as much prettier,colorful and
alive and so much love
I am holding on to this and going with that as my future.
God forbid if I gotta come here again.
Ill change sides and go rogue bad.
I will kill all the rats and let humanity have half a shot.
Lets just hope I dont have to do this again.

I feel as If I have umpteen million times.

The same stupid routine over and over and over and no one seems to
notice it aint ever worked in past and wont in future.
Surprise surprise surprise

.
I see no logic in assuming this is it.
What would be the point?
You got points to all things around you,you so different still?
Think again.

On Jan 11, 12:59 am, "brian fletcher" <brian...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

"Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote in message

news:BMxhj.53$QA2.26@newsfe06.lga...> If you knew for certian
(somehow--just bear with me here if you can) that

there was no afterlife, how would that affect you?

Regards, Scott

Wrong premise Scott.

I understand what you are asking, but life 'is'. Afterlife is an
oxymoron.

This is a variation on the approach "what would you do today if there was
no
tomorrow".

Fact is , there is no tomorrow.

BOfL

Actually you are always in tomorrow and behind or in past so to say as
the future has already occurred by the time you realize it or your
eyes see it.It has already happened and we are catching up.

SO there is obviously a tomorrow ,just not maybe next week ,but then
again. if we are energy and electricity cant die,it only changes
forms.then we will do same.Ergo must be more.

Many have gone to this other realm and came back to talk of it,
and many have claimed to have done so in previous lives even,recalling
poeple places and lives from other lifetime here in this fun abll of
wax we presume is life.

Many claim to see others that have or are doing so at moment in ghost
or spririt form,living in other dimension or realm of being.

There is obviously too much around me to say there is not flow to all
this and reasons for all things.
A distinctive purpose to all life here and I would think anywhere else
our little pee brains we use part only of would muster up.

As we all are connected in the big scheme of things working in fluid
perfection somehow effecting the other in our being or not being.
A distinct pattern going here ,a reason for all things and this subtle
connectivity and proof of others being alive after gone and so forth,
well why would you assume this was it.

I mean,when purpose for all life,this is not randomly done and its
very involved and finely tuned.
What have we learned here ya think to think this would be it.
I sometimes wonder if we are the lessor of the beings alive of most if
anything.

As most dimensions seem to be able to peer into ours and we still
remain oblivious in our shallow mind ego trips,
while they all can go in and out of thier dimensions,ours and I would
presume many others.

This leads me to think we are kinda held hostage here,forgetting our
true purpose and being maybe held back from our diviinty.

I do so hope this will be corrected soon,as with all round cyclic
things in this universe.

each has its day.
its cycle. its either a big loop or spiral or such or a little one,but
all things have cycles.

The fact that we are only species not psychic on this earth and not
using all our brains ,would make me think perhaps I wasnt the most
intelligent creature breathing in this universe with opposing thumbs.

I see the way the govt goes out of their way for weather balloons and
not hurricanes.
Going a bit too far in their in denial of any life existence or UFO
being really there for my comfort to think they
are doing a good job protecting us when all these witnesses seem to
seeing the things.
Got plenty on tapes too.
When will we believe our eyes and use some common sense?
Not buy into the crap they sit in our laps .especially when it makes
no connection what so ever with what theyd o and what they say is
real.
I see more like ,a hell of a try to deny these things,a a lot of
hidden space technologies and I would think
that if I were an alien,hiding from humans all this time,I would not
be careless enough,I seriously doubt they waste good meat or such like
this either,more a man thing,but you dont go throwing half lasered to
death cows out of ufos If you want to remain hidden.
That is kinda calling attention to yourself.

Hey just me maybe but I would not throw em out if I were being
elusive.
I also wouldn't want much to do with these barbaric humans who keep
doing
the same insane things over and over and have not learned much.
Animal kingdom surpassing us almost.

Fact is,our spirituality is not keeping up with our technology.
This is most likely gong to be leading to most troubled times ahead.
We listen to leaders whom lie to us,hide ancient truths from us.seem
to be imrisoning us on this oil lie so we sdont have
freedoms to fly away in our own free energy devices or such.
They seem to be determined to keep us in thier grasp. the fact they
make many millions of billions of brain chips in
outer space worries me a bit.
I think you have much to think there is more than this.
We certainly have to do this more ,cause we aint got it right yet
here.
Maybe so many rounds and times up,auto go or some go or what ever,but
this cant be it.
It makes no sense to it all.
It would all be for nothing.
I see definite signs of not for nothign randomness around me from bees
pollunating flowers to the saying that if
the honey bee dies ,we do too ,soon after.
showing a precison of connectivity to all things and we may not want
to admit this,but its evident to me.
I see reason for all life and purpose and a union of beauty and
promise if so taken in this way as it is lived or wasted in our case.
Existing and living are two different things.
I dare say we are more than taxes,working for roof over head while wwe
waste brilliant minds on stupid not needed thoughts and not using our
true abilites but jsut making our daily bread for roof and some fun.

Nope,its not it .
this isnt it.
I bet my hat on it.
Yours too
I also bet the other frequnecies of dimensions,that reason the pearly
gates are never guarded,no fear the nasty old devil wont come snekaing
in snatching angels or harp players. is due to the fact that you cant
be in that frequency if yor in his usual tone.
You see a whole lot of god gonig on h ere?
Or more him lately?
Perhaps we shall never leave if we dont change our tunes.
Ya think?
It has been proven though,each generation is rising in frequency.
So it seems that we are gong up in our tones unaware of such but still
it happens.
the great age of darkness is now leaving.
The age of light is coming.The photons with it.
We will be light bodies.
LIke they all left and said follow us,seek us.we prepare a spot for
you.
they left alive,in lighter than gravity bodies,said to prepare our
bodies for travel.
Never did they say,buy allthe lies they will hand you in lap,screw up
mother earth and your air and waters for some
to be comfy while you look other way as some starve and perish
unecessrily.
I thinkthe drift was care for your brothers and sisters and not only
the immediate family.
I think he meant we all one big one.
I also dont recallhim saying .hey I died for you so reak h avoc and
im gonna come save your hides again.
They never come back once they left all these prophets.
They all said to follow them tho.
We just sit here.
Perhaps when your this higher frequency and so good in heart,
they cannot lower themselves into this realm,and only way can come in
to this lower devil ruling world is thru us.
OUr actions,our love for one another is only way any thing so good
could be so low as we are now.
Im only hoping we go no lower.
Im on a sinking ship and i do so hope I can bail out.
It is not fair to be stuck here with so many who live in la la land of
denial and death.
Have no desire to improve or change,holdig some of others back.
I think the evening comes soon. I so do hope.or all of us go.fine,as
long as they change which they would have too,if rise.
so little bit lengthy here but I hope I ad some truth into your hearts
to think on.
Let what rings in harmony with your being be what you go with,and let
us all ring a beautiful cord.
But no more boinking on each others heads with bibles of love
please.Stupid books dont even have the whole thing put in it.
some parts left out,now what sane being would put so much into what
wasnt clearly whole.
If you so want to be ture to heart and soul,then seek truth for all.
not what is convenient and chicken sheep following all else is dong so
you do too. looking other way is enabling,period,its letting it occur.
Still guilty.
Lets clean up our messes,bring back the earth and our deaths here
healthy,get rid of the bozos in charge and maybe try
a different approach other than war and kids dieing all over the
place.
I think thousands of years trying it this way.is long enough and
perhaps our time is nearing.
We might want to utilize it wisely and do right things for a change.
Just in case I am right or semi right or even close.

But look around ya kids,.
This is harmony.
This , is a piece of music that sings so loud
as to having some out of this world composer creating this symphony,
You gotta be one good con to con self out fo what is apparent all
around.

Just because we sit in the bleachers and cant hear it
Doesnt mean it is not there playing with such magnificence and clarity
of blissful sound.
All the while we are here clanking on our
out of tune bafoonish noisemakers.
Ruining the music and harmony for the rest of the world.

Man, here with our rude insolence and Egos that go far beyond what we
give ourselves credit for..
taking the easy road instead of the truth of what we should be doing
here.
Letting our lives be sold out and used for whatever for some elite few
to be comfy and we jsut exist for some odd years,
have worries over what is not needed,letting our families be left our
lies,
basically we eat ,fart,*****,have sex and die.
Oh let us not forget we never leave anything better than when we got
itl.
Why is that.
In our brilliance of opposing thumbs we cannot manage to be anything
like the creator we are in image of but more the destroyer.
The image is spirit image. This bodily one,well,im thinking is school
perhaps and we failing.Miserably.

This is death if anything.
They always describe heaven or such as much prettier,colorful and
alive and so much love
I am holding on to this and going with that as my future.
God forbid if I gotta come here again.
Ill change sides and go rogue bad.
I will kill all the rats and let humanity have half a shot.
Lets just hope I dont have to do this again.

I feel as If I have umpteen million times.

The same stupid routine over and over and over and no one seems to
notice it aint ever worked in past and wont in future.
Surprise surprise surprise

.
I see no logic in assuming this is it.
What would be the point?
You got points to all things around you,you so different still?
Think again.

On Jan 11, 1:59 am, "brian fletcher" <brian...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

"Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote in message

news:BMxhj.53$QA2.26@newsfe06.lga...> If you knew for certian
(somehow--just bear with me here if you can) that

there was no afterlife, how would that affect you?

Regards, Scott

Wrong premise Scott.

I understand what you are asking, but life 'is'. Afterlife is an
oxymoron.

Western culture seems saturated with linear thinking.

I've always been prone to "circular thinking" myself. ;-)

This is a variation on the approach "what would you do today if there was
no
tomorrow".

Fact is , there is no tomorrow.

BOfL

"Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote in message

news:BMxhj.53$QA2.26@newsfe06.lga...

If you knew for certian (somehow--just bear with me here if you can)
that
there was no afterlife, how would that affect you?

I would struggle and struggle until there was afterlife, after all.

"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:vjhdo39jbb7ibej8b88l03toti6alskok3@4ax.com...

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:20:09 -0500, "Miller" <chumley702@chartermi.net>
wrote:

If you knew for certian (somehow--just bear with me here if you can) that
there was no afterlife, how would that affect you?

Regards, Scott

A more fundamental "problem" remains for your
consideration, now, independent of your putative
"soulhood" : That is : Why is there something, rather
than nothing, now? The something may be a representation,
but then why it and the representee? It may be a deceit,
but then why even a context for deceit? Why the bother?

Regards, Martin

But if there was nothing - say you had no floor no sky no walls no food no
water no body - all you had was some kind empty space as some kind of spirit
form would this be more acceptable to you or more believable?
Would you then - as you do now - think to yourself "Why is there nothing?"

THE BORG
PS Did you have a nice birthday?