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"mimus" |
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08 Aug 2005 01:44:52 PM |
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Faith = Cynicism |
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt for
evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in hypothesis
which must be checked against evidence, whether directly, or by deduction
from evidence, or by inductive study or other experiment adding to
evidence.
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tinmimus99@hotmail.com
smeeter 11 or maybe 12
mp 10
mhm 29x13
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.
< Pratchett
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| User: "Don H" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 02:18:53 PM |
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"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net...
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt for
evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in hypothesis
which must be checked against evidence, whether directly, or by deduction
from evidence, or by inductive study or other experiment adding to
evidence.
--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com
smeeter 11 or maybe 12
mp 10
mhm 29x13
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.
< Pratchett
# Faith is belief beyond the evidence; hunch, guess, probability, opinion -
but more. Dogma is insistence that some belief is true, brooking no
argument.
Cynicism is doubt about human values and motives. Scepticism is doubt
about beliefs.
Science progresses by Curiosity, Freethought, and Scepticism; all based on
empirical evidence.
Religion is based on desire, emotion, faith; on sacred texts,
indoctrination, fanaticism, and war.
Religion has a cosmology and taboo morality; all traditional religions are
precursors of science. The Evolution of Religion was from Naturism,
Animism, Polytheism (the peak), Monotheism, to Atheism.
In the modern world, religion is a hindrance and a curse, especially in
supernatural form. This is not to say Science should be our new religion,
but no new Philosophy which ignores Science can claim validity and morality.
A retreat to 6th century Sharia Law, for example, ignores all the moral,
legal, and political advances make since. It is a return to barbarism, from
civilization.
All Gods, gods, goddesses, are historical entities; they exist only in the
human mind, and as vague images; they originated as tribal deities, the Old
Man of the Tribe, the Lord of Hosts, who supports the tribe in battle. This
usage continues to this day, as "tribes" appeal to their Ancestral Warrior
Deity to help them in their Holy War against all outsiders - such as
Gentile, Pagan, or Infidel. Yet, when you look at these people, they seem
to be human beings, just like you and me! But we know different; they are
the Devil Incarnate, fit only to be put to the sword!
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 02:59:58 PM |
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"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:xeOJe.75790$oJ.49124@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net...
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that
evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt
for evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in
hypothesis which must be checked against evidence, whether directly,
or by deduction from evidence, or by inductive study or other
experiment adding to evidence.
--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com
smeeter 11 or maybe 12
mp 10
mhm 29x13
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.
< Pratchett
# Faith is belief beyond the evidence; hunch, guess, probability,
opinion - but more. Dogma is insistence that some belief is true,
brooking no argument.
Cynicism is doubt about human values and motives. Scepticism is
doubt
about beliefs.
Science progresses by Curiosity, Freethought, and Scepticism; all
based on
empirical evidence.
Religion is based on desire, emotion, faith; on sacred texts,
indoctrination, fanaticism, and war.
Religion has a cosmology and taboo morality; all traditional religions
are precursors of science. The Evolution of Religion was from
Naturism, Animism, Polytheism (the peak), Monotheism, to Atheism.
In the modern world, religion is a hindrance and a curse, especially
in
supernatural form. This is not to say Science should be our new
religion, but no new Philosophy which ignores Science can claim
validity and morality.
A retreat to 6th century Sharia Law, for example, ignores all the
moral,
legal, and political advances make since. It is a return to
barbarism, from civilization.
All Gods, gods, goddesses, are historical entities; they exist only
in the
human mind, and as vague images; they originated as tribal deities,
the Old Man of the Tribe, the Lord of Hosts, who supports the tribe in
battle. This usage continues to this day, as "tribes" appeal to their
Ancestral Warrior Deity to help them in their Holy War against all
outsiders - such as Gentile, Pagan, or Infidel. Yet, when you look at
these people, they seem to be human beings, just like you and me! But
we know different; they are the Devil Incarnate, fit only to be put to
the sword!
Very interesting. Where did this originate?
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| User: "Adie" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 03:46:53 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:59:58 GMT, BOB wrote:
"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:xeOJe.75790$oJ.49124@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net...
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that
evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt
for evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in
hypothesis which must be checked against evidence, whether directly,
or by deduction from evidence, or by inductive study or other
experiment adding to evidence.
--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com
smeeter 11 or maybe 12
mp 10
mhm 29x13
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.
< Pratchett
# Faith is belief beyond the evidence; hunch, guess, probability,
opinion - but more. Dogma is insistence that some belief is true,
brooking no argument.
Cynicism is doubt about human values and motives. Scepticism is
doubt
about beliefs.
Science progresses by Curiosity, Freethought, and Scepticism; all
based on
empirical evidence.
Religion is based on desire, emotion, faith; on sacred texts,
indoctrination, fanaticism, and war.
Religion has a cosmology and taboo morality; all traditional religions
are precursors of science. The Evolution of Religion was from
Naturism, Animism, Polytheism (the peak), Monotheism, to Atheism.
In the modern world, religion is a hindrance and a curse, especially
in
supernatural form. This is not to say Science should be our new
religion, but no new Philosophy which ignores Science can claim
validity and morality.
A retreat to 6th century Sharia Law, for example, ignores all the
moral,
legal, and political advances make since. It is a return to
barbarism, from civilization.
All Gods, gods, goddesses, are historical entities; they exist only
in the
human mind, and as vague images; they originated as tribal deities,
the Old Man of the Tribe, the Lord of Hosts, who supports the tribe in
battle. This usage continues to this day, as "tribes" appeal to their
Ancestral Warrior Deity to help them in their Holy War against all
outsiders - such as Gentile, Pagan, or Infidel. Yet, when you look at
these people, they seem to be human beings, just like you and me! But
we know different; they are the Devil Incarnate, fit only to be put to
the sword!
Very interesting. Where did this originate?
Hey, The Flonk, so quit snipping it from the crosspost.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 06:51:51 PM |
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"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:xeOJe.75790$oJ.49124@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net...
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that
evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt for
evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in hypothesis
which must be checked against evidence, whether directly, or by deduction
from evidence, or by inductive study or other experiment adding to
evidence.
--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com
smeeter 11 or maybe 12
mp 10
mhm 29x13
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.
< Pratchett
# Faith is belief beyond the evidence; hunch, guess, probability,
opinion -
but more. Dogma is insistence that some belief is true, brooking no
argument.
Cynicism is doubt about human values and motives. Scepticism is doubt
about beliefs.
Science progresses by Curiosity, Freethought, and Scepticism; all based
on
empirical evidence.
Religion is based on desire, emotion, faith; on sacred texts,
indoctrination, fanaticism, and war.
Religion has a cosmology and taboo morality; all traditional religions are
precursors of science. The Evolution of Religion was from Naturism,
Animism, Polytheism (the peak), Monotheism, to Atheism.
In the modern world, religion is a hindrance and a curse, especially in
supernatural form. This is not to say Science should be our new religion,
but no new Philosophy which ignores Science can claim validity and
morality.
A retreat to 6th century Sharia Law, for example, ignores all the moral,
legal, and political advances make since. It is a return to barbarism,
from
civilization.
All Gods, gods, goddesses, are historical entities; they exist only in
the
human mind, and as vague images; they originated as tribal deities, the
Old
Man of the Tribe, the Lord of Hosts, who supports the tribe in battle.
This
usage continues to this day, as "tribes" appeal to their Ancestral Warrior
Deity to help them in their Holy War against all outsiders - such as
Gentile, Pagan, or Infidel. Yet, when you look at these people, they seem
to be human beings, just like you and me! But we know different; they are
the Devil Incarnate, fit only to be put to the sword!
So in summary, philosophers put past or different views to the sword;
religions attempt to put other religions to the sword, and science puts the
atom to the sword.
Good to see Excaliber is still alive and kicking on this planet..
And The Beat Goes On.......
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 01:55:10 PM |
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mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net:
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that
evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt
for evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in
hypothesis which must be checked against evidence, whether directly,
or by deduction from evidence, or by inductive study or other
experiment adding to evidence.
Not bad. From where did this originate?
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| User: "mimus" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 05:47:45 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:55:10 GMT, BOB wrote:
mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net:
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that
evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt
for evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in
hypothesis which must be checked against evidence, whether directly,
or by deduction from evidence, or by inductive study or other
experiment adding to evidence.
Not bad. From where did this originate?
aavf3.
We're an experimental philosophy newsgroup.
--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com
smeeter 11 or maybe 12
mp 10
mhm 29x13
Six months ago Uncle Bob was driving to Mudgee when
a tiger snake slid out from under the dashboard and
bit him on the groin, but it's OK now because he's
off the life support machine and able to communicate
with eyeblinks.
< _In a Sunburned Country_
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| User: "dave hillstrom" |
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| Title: Re: Faith = Cynicism |
08 Aug 2005 06:38:21 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:47:45 -0400, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:55:10 GMT, BOB wrote:
mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ag1wvngisxc9$.1scb91csb9x99.dlg@40tude.net:
Faith is belief and cynicism disbelief beyond the evidence.
Faith cynically holds, and cynicism has faith, that any evidence
contradicting them is wrong, without need for assessment of that
evidence.
Faith and cynicism are flip sides of the same coin, which is contempt
for evidence.
But skepticism rests on evidence, and moves beyond it only in
hypothesis which must be checked against evidence, whether directly,
or by deduction from evidence, or by inductive study or other
experiment adding to evidence.
Not bad. From where did this originate?
aavf3.
We're an experimental philosophy newsgroup.
we rawk, dude!
--
dave hillstrom
this space under construction. donations accepted.
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