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"Anti-Democratic Initiative" |
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FAQ: Unpleasant Truths |
Unpleasant Truths FAQ
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Archive-Name: alt-philosophy/other/unpleasant-truths
Posting-Frequency: Monthly
Last-Modified: 2000/06/10
Version: .98b
Introduction
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This FAQ presents some of the truths about human life that
are most frequently denied for social reasons and reasons of
cognitive dissonance. Our theory is that by getting these
out of the way, we have the rest of our lives to enjoy without
having to constantly reinforce illusions.
1. Death is real.
There is absolutely no evidence or even indicators that suggest
there is a "world beyond the material," and there is no necessary
connection between that world and human beings after death. When
we remove the anthropomorphic concerns from religion, we can see
that the religious process is shaped around the human fear of death
and need for a "reason" to live.
Our staff suggests that the "reason" for existence is tautological
to the process of existence.
2. Social behavior is insincere.
People seem to think that in a society where we must use each
other in order to make enough "profit" to survive, that social
behavior is sincere and honest. This is not so. Whether at a
subconscious or conscious level, human beings need each other
as business partners, employees, customers and leaders. Their
behavior is as a consequence involves first protecting themselves
from possible social repercussions, and then assuring themselves
protection in material dealings through friendship, alliance and
dependency.
We are blinded by anthropomorphism here also, where a normal
couple of man and wife appears to us as a sensible, loving
relationship; none of us think to question whether or not it is
simply a friendly business partnership to raise a child, a
process which benefits both individuals.
3. No one has your "best interests" in mind.
Individuals have their own best interests in mind. They know
you only as someone through whom they function to achieve
their own goals. Otherwise, they would have to be specifically
created and lying in wait to anticipate your needs.
4. Society is inefficient and expensive.
Every business must make at least 100% return on every item
sold (meaning: double the wholesale cost of an item to find
its price on the shelf) and in most cases charge even more.
The scary fact is that it has already been sold through
at least one middle business, meaning that at every level
of transaction, the price is being doubled at a minimum.
More conventionally, the cost was a tenth of what is being
charged to the next level in the system.
5. Genetics determines most of your personality.
Despite mountains of research and soul-searching public
displays of emotion to the contrary, most scientific evidence
still suggests that the largest part (80%) or more of
personality and abilities in the individual is derived from
the abilities, characteristics and traits of the parents
of that individual. While we like to think about how on
a social level, we are all "equal" and basically the same,
it is easy to see that people have different abilities
by the nature of specialization. The "equality" myth exists
only as a social convenience to make the individual feel
accepted for his or her contribution, no matter how menial
it may be, and while "equality" is given lip service by
nearly every public figure, it cannot matter to them as they
are acting upon their own impulse and self-interest. Thus
no one is "equal" to the individual and, as the individual
seeks the more proficient specialized business partners and
friends/associates, there is clearly no expectation of
"equality" in ability, or those associates, friends and
business collaborators .
6. Evolutionary differences do exist between populations.
In our world of social acceptability, things like racism and
ethnic pride are not considered safe or "fair." The reason is
that someone, somewhere, in the crowd, might feel that they are
less "equal" and therefore less appreciated by society as a
business partner and associate. However, we can tell this myth
from a distance, as history itself shows the lie. If all
populations were the same, political and social and technological
progress would be much more closely matched between such diverse
states as Africa, England and China.
7. Self-help books, religions, and counseling services are
all businesses.
Someone writing something "for the good of others" usually means
"so I can feel good about 'helping' others." But what about the
endless self-help books, religious "friends," counseling services,
psychiatrists and psychologists? They operate as highly successful
business because seemingly, most people need help. And as businesses
they have zero financial incentive to actually "solve" any problems.
Further, what would we say about someone who was so perfect they
had nothing better to do than help others? We would probably realize
immediately that this person's perfection was illusory.
For more information, see #10 below.
8. The press lies.
The press is a business dependent upon the revenues brought in by
its advertisers. In the same way that in "polite society" one does
not say things which would offend one's benefactors, the press
studiously avoids offending its advertisers and financially-
influential readership.
9. No one is really very serious about what they do.
None of us serve a common goal in society. We serve in positions
in which others tell us what to do. Therefore, we respond not
to the external reality which shapes our natural environment, but
to the demands and symbolic achievements of the "system" itself.
Since this kind of arrangement means that we will inevitably become
sick of other people's failings and the failings of leadership, our
response becomes resentful and we stop caring at all about the
outcome of our actions. Further, since we are compartmentalized in
bureaucratic institutions, we rarely have contact with other parts
of the system, and are required to trust the knowledge of others
and pass it on to still other people.
Customer: Hi, I'd like to get my account changed from active to
inactive.
Service Representative: You need pieces of meaningless arbitrary
documentation A, B, and C, and you need to take them to counter
#666.
Customer: Last time I had to do this, I had to bring only pieces
A and C.
Service Representative: That's not true. I resent your insinuation
that my authority is not genuine.
Customer: When was the last time you have been to counter #666?
Service Representative: Oh, actually never. It's more efficient
for employees of the company to work through an internal
representative.
Customer: So how do you know that I need pieces A, B and C in
order to inactivate my account?
Service Representative: Well, that's what it says right here, in
the training manual...
10. People do "good things" for their own self-image.
Our benevolent illusion is that people do good things because
they, as people, are good, and they like good things. More accurate
predictions suggest that people like feeling good, and therefore
do things externally rewarded as "good" so that they can bask in
the adulation of others and achieve greater success in business and
social life.
11. Most people are exasperated by other people.
"Getting away from it all" is not only our vacation but also the
goal used to motivate us toward a social system. If you work
really hard, so goes the saying, you get set free by having enough
income that you don't have to do any work, and you can buy enough
land to have privacy from other people. Since we are all motivated
by self-interest, it would be illusion to insist that we all work
together for anything but the profit involved.
Many people, in the grips of cognitive dissonance, will demand some
way of justifying their expenditure of irreplaceable time on other
people. They will talk about how they enjoy their jobs, or would be
lost without their church, synagogue, mosque or friends. What they
are really saying is that without external stimulus they would be lost;
they are not speaking of people, but the social roles that people play
in reinforcing through external stimulus the decisions made by an
individual. At the core of this phenomenon is the low self-esteem that
is common to people in a society where they must answer to the arbitrary
demands of others.
12. No one is looking out for the "big picture."
All humans work for self-interest. All work in compartmentalized
divisions of whatever overall process of functionality is required
by their specific function. Everything we react to is internal to
society and the social customs which it requires in order to conduct
unimpeded commerce. Consequently, our job is to react to what others
think and hope someone else is looking out for the big picture.
But there's a catch. Since all of us have jobs or commercial status,
we must first preserve ourselves via that social device, and therefore
constantly suffer under two things. First, we must please and appease
our business associates, clients, and employees. Second, we must
fulfill the needs of our assignment without stepping beyond our position
or criticizing others higher on the scale of power than we.
Consequently, we are unlikely to go "above our superiors" in order to
question the direction of society as a whole. It's an unnecessary risk
that could jeopardize our position.
This compartmentalization is devastating. Is the President of the United
States looking out for the "big picture" and "goodwill toward all
humanity"? No. He's representing the United States in a social system
based on commerce, and thus his goals are to pacify his allies and
strike out against his competitors. So whose job is it to look out
for and plan the future? You could join an "activist" group, but since
people do things for their own reasons and not those of society as
a whole, this succumbs to the same flaw in logic. There is no one
looking out for the "big picture" or the future of planet Earth and
its human cargo.
Conclusion
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Dear reader, it is clear from meditation on these passages that
humanity is not the big happy family as which we like to publicly
represent ourselves. We are in fact a large self-predatory
organization whose values are determined by social convenience and
self-image.
Once this is acknowledged, the modern individual can be safely
freed from social ties to become the predator that he or she
must be in order to avoid being taken advantage of by this
rapacious society. The following links are a good place to
begin your exploration of the "Brave New World" on the other
side of socially-convenient justifications.
There are useful writings by a select few iconoclasts which
help the individual understand this problem, and begin the
process of conversion to pro-ferality terrorist.
Theodor Adorno
http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~cmnF93/adorno.html
Friedrich Nietzsche
http://www.cwu.edu/~millerj/nietzsche/index.html
Varg Vikernes
Gilles Deleuze/Felix Guattari
http://www.mtsu.edu/~jpurcell/Philosophy/deleuze.html
Arthur Schopenhauer
http://www.friesian.com/arthur.htm
Spinoza Ray Prozak
http://www.*****.com/
Rex Feral
http://www.overthrow.com/books/index.asp?showCat=Hitman&showBook=book20010310174753.txt
Copyright © 2000-2002 Anti-Democratic Initiative
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02 Jul 2004 03:51:52 PM |
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"Anti-Democratic Initiative" wrote:
1. Death is real.
From the scientific POV. Philosophically, probably, but
there are viable theories to the contrary and even some
anectdotal evidence that may be logically significant
in its totality.
2. Social behavior is insincere.
Most. Not nearly all. There are people who suffer from adopting
everyone else's problems while ignoring their own.
3. No one has your "best interests" in mind.
False. This notion is an escape from responsibility for personal
failings and problems, usually the result of a very deprived
or otherwise challenging childhood.
4. Society is inefficient and expensive.
Generally true. Lots of exceptions like economies of scale.
5. Genetics determines most of your personality.
Boy do I wish! You should meet my folks! You should read
up on George Bush, Sr.
Actually, the reverse is true. About 80% is nurture. Oh, if
psychology only worked, it would be so nice! Unfortunately,
humans are infinitely complex, requiring judgement, something
which psychologists are specifically trained not to rely upon.
6. Evolutionary differences do exist between populations.
True. Obvious. But don't fire up the creamatoriums just yet. I
happen to like music.
7. Self-help books, religions, and counseling services are
all businesses.
Very true! Obvious.
8. The press lies.
Very, very true! But not as much as some political newsgroup
posters.
9. No one is really very serious about what they do.
False. I know lots of people who are too serious about what
they do. They are heading for nervous breakdowns.
10. People do "good things" for their own self-image.
Probably true. It's hard to think of any behavior that is not
self-serving in some way. Yet there are people who jump
of cliffs upon command from their programmers, including
political programmers who try to find susceptible candidates
in newsgroups.
11. Most people are exasperated by other people.
That's for sure. Why "administrators" generally make the most
money. It's a gawdawful job. But one big benefit is that it becomes
almost impossible to ***** them, most emphatically in political
newsgroup posts.
12. No one is looking out for the "big picture."
Practically no one. Plenty of famous counter-examples. Christ,
Ghandi, my next-door neighbor, his dog.
Conclusion
No such thing as a "conclusion" from such vague premises. They
hardly even support a probability calculation, though just about
anything does that.
This belongs in an opinion announcement group, like alt.politics.
But of course it would just get buried there among the never-ending
multitude of similar opinion announements. Long live Usenet. For
the price of an internet connection, anybody can publish anything.
Larry
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| User: "Talks With Beagles" |
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02 Jul 2004 09:21:53 PM |
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"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@partpostmark.net> wrote in message news:<40e5c860$0$37199$45beb828@newscene.com>...
"Anti-Democratic Initiative" wrote:
1. Death is real.
From the scientific POV. Philosophically, probably, but
there are viable theories to the contrary and even some
anectdotal evidence that may be logically significant
in its totality.
2. Social behavior is insincere.
Most. Not nearly all. There are people who suffer from adopting
everyone else's problems while ignoring their own.
3. No one has your "best interests" in mind.
False. This notion is an escape from responsibility for personal
failings and problems, usually the result of a very deprived
or otherwise challenging childhood.
4. Society is inefficient and expensive.
Generally true. Lots of exceptions like economies of scale.
5. Genetics determines most of your personality.
Boy do I wish! You should meet my folks! You should read
up on George Bush, Sr.
Actually, the reverse is true. About 80% is nurture. Oh, if
psychology only worked, it would be so nice! Unfortunately,
humans are infinitely complex, requiring judgement, something
which psychologists are specifically trained not to rely upon.
6. Evolutionary differences do exist between populations.
True. Obvious. But don't fire up the creamatoriums just yet. I
happen to like music.
7. Self-help books, religions, and counseling services are
all businesses.
Very true! Obvious.
8. The press lies.
Very, very true! But not as much as some political newsgroup
posters.
9. No one is really very serious about what they do.
False. I know lots of people who are too serious about what
they do. They are heading for nervous breakdowns.
10. People do "good things" for their own self-image.
Probably true. It's hard to think of any behavior that is not
self-serving in some way. Yet there are people who jump
of cliffs upon command from their programmers, including
political programmers who try to find susceptible candidates
in newsgroups.
11. Most people are exasperated by other people.
That's for sure. Why "administrators" generally make the most
money. It's a gawdawful job. But one big benefit is that it becomes
almost impossible to ***** them, most emphatically in political
newsgroup posts.
12. No one is looking out for the "big picture."
Practically no one. Plenty of famous counter-examples. Christ,
Ghandi, my next-door neighbor, his dog.
Conclusion
No such thing as a "conclusion" from such vague premises. They
hardly even support a probability calculation, though just about
anything does that.
This belongs in an opinion announcement group, like alt.politics.
But of course it would just get buried there among the never-ending
multitude of similar opinion announements. Long live Usenet. For
the price of an internet connection, anybody can publish anything.
Larry
Bravo Larry! I couldn't have said it better myself. I just answered
one of their assertions that you didn't cover, but your post just got
posted while I was typing mine. With any kind of luck, mine will show
up tomorrow. What ever happened to the concept of "real time"?
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| User: "Acme Diagnostics" |
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03 Jul 2004 10:21:31 PM |
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(Talks With Beagles) wrote:
Bravo Larry! I couldn't have said it better myself. I just answered
one of their assertions that you didn't cover, but your post just got
posted while I was typing mine. With any kind of luck, mine will show
up tomorrow. What ever happened to the concept of "real time"?
Thanks for the compliment. It's frustrating that posts sometimes don't
show up for hours no matter which server you use. We're still looking
for two posts after a few weeks with one server that told us "Message
posted successfully." Yeah, right.
Larry
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02 Jul 2004 01:05:09 AM |
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1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
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| User: "NY Dark Blue" |
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02 Jul 2004 02:11:04 AM |
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"Navy Kurt" <navykurt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8b7b01f5.0407012205.7c717a24@posting.google.com...
1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
that just won my vote
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| User: "Navy Kurt" |
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02 Jul 2004 01:05:27 AM |
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1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
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| User: "Talks With Beagles" |
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02 Jul 2004 09:15:06 PM |
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(Navy Kurt) wrote in message news:<8b7b01f5.0407012205.6c0a51d3@posting.google.com>...
1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
Now now gentlemen; no need to get abusive about it! With a name like
"Anti-Democratic Initiative" they are obviously looking for an
argument, so lets give them one. Is this not what forums are all
about?
The sheer length of their post kind of overwhemed me last night
because it was late and I was tired. I wouldn't mind taking one or two
of their "facts" and methodically picking them apart. We have several
threads currently going about death and immortality, so let's pick
another one.
I was kind of interested in their assertion that retail businesses
routinely make a 100% profit on the goods they sell. My mom and pop
ran the original mom and pop store back in the 1950s, and I'm here to
tell you it ain't so. In those days a 10% mark-up was about normal for
a small store like that. The chain store supermarkets eventually put
us out of business by reducing their mark-up to about 5%. I understand
that our local supermarket today gets by on a mark-up of 1%. The big
stores make more money because they sell more stuff; it's called
"volume".
Why they are called "chain stores" is because they are affiliated with
each other and bargain collectively with their wholesalers for better
prices. You would think then that they would be happy to have their
employees bargain collectively with them for better wages. After all,
"Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery," isn't it? For some
reason, they don't see it that way; but that's a whole nother story.
The retail food business is very competitive, but I understand that
purveyors of some other commodities get away with a higher mark-up.
There may be a few who are able to squeeze 100% out of their
customers, but they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Luxury
items like jewelry and large pleasure boats certainly have a much
higher mark-up than retail food, but they have consideraly less
turnover in their inventory.
It's like the small town prostitute said when asked how much she
charged her clients: "I charge them each ten dollars. I know that some
of my sisters in the big cities make a hundred dollars a night, and so
do I. In this town ,it is easier to find ten men with ten dollars than
one man with a hundred dollars." (This is a very old story and
obviously has not been adjusted for inflation.)
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| User: "NY Dark Blue" |
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03 Jul 2004 11:54:06 AM |
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"Talks With Beagles" <talkswithbeagles@nmo.net> wrote in message
news:40d2ba3.0407021815.62ec2de@posting.google.com...
navykurt@yahoo.com (Navy Kurt) wrote in message
news:<8b7b01f5.0407012205.6c0a51d3@posting.google.com>...
1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
Now now gentlemen; no need to get abusive about it! With a name like
"Anti-Democratic Initiative" they are obviously looking for an
argument, so lets give them one. Is this not what forums are all
about?
No he's a crossposting jackass . He never bothers to respond .
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| User: "Talks With Beagles" |
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03 Jul 2004 08:18:07 PM |
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"NY Dark Blue" <dundeefc@frontierspam.net> wrote in message news:<OwBFc.153$Fk.96@news02.roc.ny>...
"Talks With Beagles" <talkswithbeagles@nmo.net> wrote in message
news:40d2ba3.0407021815.62ec2de@posting.google.com...
navykurt@yahoo.com (Navy Kurt) wrote in message
news:<8b7b01f5.0407012205.6c0a51d3@posting.google.com>...
1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
Now now gentlemen; no need to get abusive about it! With a name like
"Anti-Democratic Initiative" they are obviously looking for an
argument, so lets give them one. Is this not what forums are all
about?
No he's a crossposting jackass . He never bothers to respond .
I think that this Anti Democratic Initiative is a group, not a single
person. It seems that they post these things once a month and send
them all over. You're right that they probably won't respond to my
post; but that's okay, maybe somebody else will. I like to talk about
this stuff, which is why I post to these forums. I started out with my
own web site and hoped that people would argue with me by e-mail, but
the response was minimal.
The web site is still there if anybody is interested:
members.nmo.net/talkswithbeagles
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03 Jul 2004 10:53:10 PM |
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(Talks With Beagles) wrote:
"NY Dark Blue" <dundeefc@frontierspam.net> wrote in message news:<OwBFc.153$Fk.96
@news02.roc.ny>...
"Talks With Beagles" < > wrote in message
news:40d2ba3.0407021815.62ec2de@posting.google.com...
navykurt@yahoo.com (Navy Kurt) wrote in message
news:<8b7b01f5.0407012205.6c0a51d3@posting.google.com>...
1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
Now now gentlemen; no need to get abusive about it! With a name like
"Anti-Democratic Initiative" they are obviously looking for an
argument, so lets give them one. Is this not what forums are all
about?
No he's a crossposting jackass . He never bothers to respond .
I think that this Anti Democratic Initiative is a group, not a single
person. It seems that they post these things once a month and send
them all over. You're right that they probably won't respond to my
post; but that's okay, maybe somebody else will. I like to talk about
this stuff, which is why I post to these forums. I started out with my
own web site and hoped that people would argue with me by e-mail, but
the response was minimal.
The web site is still there if anybody is interested:
members.nmo.net/talkswithbeagles
We have two working dogs. Their job is being cute. I know everybody
thinks their dog is the cutest, but ours really are.
Many times a day my wife and I say to each other, "How can they be
so cute?" Their cuteness never diminishes. You can't get used to it.
Even when they poop on the rug, we can only admire how cutely
they do it.
My wife discovered a curious law about this kind of working dog. "When
they are both together you get more than two cutenesses."
They probably do things besides being cute, but they are so cute we
don't notice.
Oh, right, this is a philosophy group. Well, there's an important
philosophical concept to be learned here. I've posted the law of
the "cute idea" several times, but not in this group: An idea is
just like a dog. No matter how ugly it is, after you own it for about
two hours, it's the cutest idea in the world.
Larry
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04 Jul 2004 07:58:50 PM |
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"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@partpostmark.net> wrote in message news:<40e77c84$0$97929$45beb828@newscene.com>...
We have two working dogs. Their job is being cute. I know everybody
thinks their dog is the cutest, but ours really are.
Many times a day my wife and I say to each other, "How can they be
so cute?" Their cuteness never diminishes. You can't get used to it.
Even when they poop on the rug, we can only admire how cutely
they do it.
My wife discovered a curious law about this kind of working dog. "When
they are both together you get more than two cutenesses."
They probably do things besides being cute, but they are so cute we
don't notice.
Oh, right, this is a philosophy group. Well, there's an important
philosophical concept to be learned here. I've posted the law of
the "cute idea" several times, but not in this group: An idea is
just like a dog. No matter how ugly it is, after you own it for about
two hours, it's the cutest idea in the world.
Larry
I think that pets and kids do this on purpose; it is their clever way
to get us to feed them and take care of them. The "more than two
cutenesses" that you have observed sounds like the converse of a
theory that I postulated a long time ago: "The amount of trouble and
aggravation that you get from two or more of anything is equal to the
square of the number of individuals in the group." This is the closest
thing to a mathematical proposition that you will ever get out of me!
It is true that ideas kind of grow on you after awhile. We tend to
reject new information that conflicts with what we already know. Once
we have assimilated it into our data base, it becomes more familiar
and comfortable. Another factor is the number of times we have heard
it before. The more often we hear something repeated, the more we tend
to believe it. This is why advertising is such a big business. It
doesn't matter if you like the message or not, if you hear it repeated
enough times you will begin to believe it. At least that's what the
advertising people are counting on.
During the Korean war, the Red Chinese developed a technique known as
"brain washing". This has come to mean any kind of persuasive argument
that owes it's success to repetition. The original term, however,
referred to what we today would call "de-programing". First they would
cause their victim to forget everything he previously believed; then
they would try to re-indoctrinate him with their own beliefs. They had
some success with this, but eventually found that it was more trouble
than it was worth.
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08 Jul 2004 12:32:16 AM |
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(Talks With Beagles) wrote:
"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@partpostmark.net> wrote in message news:<40e77c84$0$97929
$45beb828
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My wife discovered a curious law about this kind of working dog. "When
they are both together you get more than two cutenesses."
<snip>
Oh, right, this is a philosophy group. Well, there's an important
philosophical concept to be learned here. I've posted the law of
the "cute idea" several times, but not in this group: An idea is
just like a dog. No matter how ugly it is, after you own it for about
two hours, it's the cutest idea in the world.
I think that pets and kids do this on purpose; it is their clever way
to get us to feed them and take care of them.
Our dogs have it down to a science, that's for sure.
The "more than two
cutenesses" that you have observed sounds like the converse of a
theory that I postulated a long time ago: "The amount of trouble and
aggravation that you get from two or more of anything is equal to the
square of the number of individuals in the group." This is the closest
thing to a mathematical proposition that you will ever get out of me!
I think that's true, and would even say it might be closer to the
factorial of the number of people (mooch bigger), since that's a
measure of combinations. Probably why administrators generally make the
most money.
It is true that ideas kind of grow on you after awhile. We tend to
reject new information that conflicts with what we already know. Once
we have assimilated it into our data base, it becomes more familiar
and comfortable. Another factor is the number of times we have heard
it before. The more often we hear something repeated, the more we tend
to believe it. This is why advertising is such a big business. It
doesn't matter if you like the message or not, if you hear it repeated
enough times you will begin to believe it. At least that's what the
advertising people are counting on.
Agree "repetition" is one of the longer chapters in the brain
programming manual. Funny you should mention it, since I just posted
the chapters a couple of days ago: susceptibility, access, deception,
investment, emotion, message, repetition, indirection, reinforcement,
sex, ritual. I usually don't think of all of them being used in a given
case, but now that you mention it, advertising probably uses them all
in one way or another.
During the Korean war, the Red Chinese developed a technique known as
"brain washing". This has come to mean any kind of persuasive argument
that owes it's success to repetition. The original term, however,
referred to what we today would call "de-programing". First they would
cause their victim to forget everything he previously believed; then
they would try to re-indoctrinate him with their own beliefs. They had
some success with this, but eventually found that it was more trouble
than it was worth.
Yeah, "de-programming" sounds impractical. Reprogramming sounds
more workable. About repetition: I believe that even when we read a
book it programs us just a teency bit, and if we read a lot of the same
kind of books, we are programmed somewhat in classified thinking.
Larry
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| User: "Navy Kurt" |
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02 Aug 2004 11:38:32 AM |
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Now now gentlemen; no need to get abusive about it! With a name like
"Anti-Democratic Initiative" they are obviously looking for an
argument, so lets give them one. Is this not what forums are all
about?
The sheer length of their post kind of overwhemed me last night
because it was late and I was tired. I wouldn't mind taking one or two
of their "facts" and methodically picking them apart. We have several
threads currently going about death and immortality, so let's pick
another one.
I was kind of interested in their assertion that retail businesses
routinely make a 100% profit on the goods they sell. My mom and pop
ran the original mom and pop store back in the 1950s, and I'm here to
tell you it ain't so. In those days a 10% mark-up was about normal for
a small store like that. The chain store supermarkets eventually put
us out of business by reducing their mark-up to about 5%. I understand
that our local supermarket today gets by on a mark-up of 1%. The big
stores make more money because they sell more stuff; it's called
"volume".
Why they are called "chain stores" is because they are affiliated with
each other and bargain collectively with their wholesalers for better
prices. You would think then that they would be happy to have their
employees bargain collectively with them for better wages. After all,
"Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery," isn't it? For some
reason, they don't see it that way; but that's a whole nother story.
The retail food business is very competitive, but I understand that
purveyors of some other commodities get away with a higher mark-up.
There may be a few who are able to squeeze 100% out of their
customers, but they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Luxury
items like jewelry and large pleasure boats certainly have a much
higher mark-up than retail food, but they have consideraly less
turnover in their inventory.
It's like the small town prostitute said when asked how much she
charged her clients: "I charge them each ten dollars. I know that some
of my sisters in the big cities make a hundred dollars a night, and so
do I. In this town ,it is easier to find ten men with ten dollars than
one man with a hundred dollars." (This is a very old story and
obviously has not been adjusted for inflation.)
if elected president i will personally appoint you to carry out the
sentence on anti-democratic initiative.
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| User: "Navy Kurt" |
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02 Jul 2004 01:05:47 AM |
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1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
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| User: "Navy Kurt" |
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02 Jul 2004 02:02:55 AM |
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1. Death is real.
if elected president i promise to arrest this anti-democratic
initative douche bag and test their first assertion out....on them.
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| User: "Talks With Beagles" |
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01 Jul 2004 09:54:17 PM |
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Anti-Democratic Initiative <antidemocraticinitiative@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<1088699644.22665@hotmail.com>...
Unpleasant Truths FAQ
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Archive-Name: alt-philosophy/other/unpleasant-truths
Posting-Frequency: Monthly
Last-Modified: 2000/06/10
Version: .98b
Introduction
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This FAQ presents some of the truths about human life that
are most frequently denied for social reasons and reasons of
cognitive dissonance. Our theory is that by getting these
out of the way, we have the rest of our lives to enjoy without
having to constantly reinforce illusions.
1. Death is real.
There is absolutely no evidence or even indicators that suggest
there is a "world beyond the material," and there is no necessary
connection between that world and human beings after death. When
we remove the anthropomorphic concerns from religion, we can see
that the religious process is shaped around the human fear of death
and need for a "reason" to live.
Our staff suggests that the "reason" for existence is tautological
to the process of existence.
2. Social behavior is insincere.
People seem to think that in a society where we must use each
other in order to make enough "profit" to survive, that social
behavior is sincere and honest. This is not so. Whether at a
subconscious or conscious level, human beings need each other
as business partners, employees, customers and leaders. Their
behavior is as a consequence involves first protecting themselves
from possible social repercussions, and then assuring themselves
protection in material dealings through friendship, alliance and
dependency.
We are blinded by anthropomorphism here also, where a normal
couple of man and wife appears to us as a sensible, loving
relationship; none of us think to question whether or not it is
simply a friendly business partnership to raise a child, a
process which benefits both individuals.
3. No one has your "best interests" in mind.
Individuals have their own best interests in mind. They know
you only as someone through whom they function to achieve
their own goals. Otherwise, they would have to be specifically
created and lying in wait to anticipate your needs.
4. Society is inefficient and expensive.
Every business must make at least 100% return on every item
sold (meaning: double the wholesale cost of an item to find
its price on the shelf) and in most cases charge even more.
The scary fact is that it has already been sold through
at least one middle business, meaning that at every level
of transaction, the price is being doubled at a minimum.
More conventionally, the cost was a tenth of what is being
charged to the next level in the system.
5. Genetics determines most of your personality.
Despite mountains of research and soul-searching public
displays of emotion to the contrary, most scientific evidence
still suggests that the largest part (80%) or more of
personality and abilities in the individual is derived from
the abilities, characteristics and traits of the parents
of that individual. While we like to think about how on
a social level, we are all "equal" and basically the same,
it is easy to see that people have different abilities
by the nature of specialization. The "equality" myth exists
only as a social convenience to make the individual feel
accepted for his or her contribution, no matter how menial
it may be, and while "equality" is given lip service by
nearly every public figure, it cannot matter to them as they
are acting upon their own impulse and self-interest. Thus
no one is "equal" to the individual and, as the individual
seeks the more proficient specialized business partners and
friends/associates, there is clearly no expectation of
"equality" in ability, or those associates, friends and
business collaborators .
6. Evolutionary differences do exist between populations.
In our world of social acceptability, things like racism and
ethnic pride are not considered safe or "fair." The reason is
that someone, somewhere, in the crowd, might feel that they are
less "equal" and therefore less appreciated by society as a
business partner and associate. However, we can tell this myth
from a distance, as history itself shows the lie. If all
populations were the same, political and social and technological
progress would be much more closely matched between such diverse
states as Africa, England and China.
7. Self-help books, religions, and counseling services are
all businesses.
Someone writing something "for the good of others" usually means
"so I can feel good about 'helping' others." But what about the
endless self-help books, religious "friends," counseling services,
psychiatrists and psychologists? They operate as highly successful
business because seemingly, most people need help. And as businesses
they have zero financial incentive to actually "solve" any problems.
Further, what would we say about someone who was so perfect they
had nothing better to do than help others? We would probably realize
immediately that this person's perfection was illusory.
For more information, see #10 below.
8. The press lies.
The press is a business dependent upon the revenues brought in by
its advertisers. In the same way that in "polite society" one does
not say things which would offend one's benefactors, the press
studiously avoids offending its advertisers and financially-
influential readership.
9. No one is really very serious about what they do.
None of us serve a common goal in society. We serve in positions
in which others tell us what to do. Therefore, we respond not
to the external reality which shapes our natural environment, but
to the demands and symbolic achievements of the "system" itself.
Since this kind of arrangement means that we will inevitably become
sick of other people's failings and the failings of leadership, our
response becomes resentful and we stop caring at all about the
outcome of our actions. Further, since we are compartmentalized in
bureaucratic institutions, we rarely have contact with other parts
of the system, and are required to trust the knowledge of others
and pass it on to still other people.
Customer: Hi, I'd like to get my account changed from active to
inactive.
Service Representative: You need pieces of meaningless arbitrary
documentation A, B, and C, and you need to take them to counter
#666.
Customer: Last time I had to do this, I had to bring only pieces
A and C.
Service Representative: That's not true. I resent your insinuation
that my authority is not genuine.
Customer: When was the last time you have been to counter #666?
Service Representative: Oh, actually never. It's more efficient
for employees of the company to work through an internal
representative.
Customer: So how do you know that I need pieces A, B and C in
order to inactivate my account?
Service Representative: Well, that's what it says right here, in
the training manual...
10. People do "good things" for their own self-image.
Our benevolent illusion is that people do good things because
they, as people, are good, and they like good things. More accurate
predictions suggest that people like feeling good, and therefore
do things externally rewarded as "good" so that they can bask in
the adulation of others and achieve greater success in business and
social life.
11. Most people are exasperated by other people.
"Getting away from it all" is not only our vacation but also the
goal used to motivate us toward a social system. If you work
really hard, so goes the saying, you get set free by having enough
income that you don't have to do any work, and you can buy enough
land to have privacy from other people. Since we are all motivated
by self-interest, it would be illusion to insist that we all work
together for anything but the profit involved.
Many people, in the grips of cognitive dissonance, will demand some
way of justifying their expenditure of irreplaceable time on other
people. They will talk about how they enjoy their jobs, or would be
lost without their church, synagogue, mosque or friends. What they
are really saying is that without external stimulus they would be lost;
they are not speaking of people, but the social roles that people play
in reinforcing through external stimulus the decisions made by an
individual. At the core of this phenomenon is the low self-esteem that
is common to people in a society where they must answer to the arbitrary
demands of others.
12. No one is looking out for the "big picture."
All humans work for self-interest. All work in compartmentalized
divisions of whatever overall process of functionality is required
by their specific function. Everything we react to is internal to
society and the social customs which it requires in order to conduct
unimpeded commerce. Consequently, our job is to react to what others
think and hope someone else is looking out for the big picture.
But there's a catch. Since all of us have jobs or commercial status,
we must first preserve ourselves via that social device, and therefore
constantly suffer under two things. First, we must please and appease
our business associates, clients, and employees. Second, we must
fulfill the needs of our assignment without stepping beyond our position
or criticizing others higher on the scale of power than we.
Consequently, we are unlikely to go "above our superiors" in order to
question the direction of society as a whole. It's an unnecessary risk
that could jeopardize our position.
This compartmentalization is devastating. Is the President of the United
States looking out for the "big picture" and "goodwill toward all
humanity"? No. He's representing the United States in a social system
based on commerce, and thus his goals are to pacify his allies and
strike out against his competitors. So whose job is it to look out
for and plan the future? You could join an "activist" group, but since
people do things for their own reasons and not those of society as
a whole, this succumbs to the same flaw in logic. There is no one
looking out for the "big picture" or the future of planet Earth and
its human cargo.
Conclusion
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Dear reader, it is clear from meditation on these passages that
humanity is not the big happy family as which we like to publicly
represent ourselves. We are in fact a large self-predatory
organization whose values are determined by social convenience and
self-image.
Once this is acknowledged, the modern individual can be safely
freed from social ties to become the predator that he or she
must be in order to avoid being taken advantage of by this
rapacious society. The following links are a good place to
begin your exploration of the "Brave New World" on the other
side of socially-convenient justifications.
There are useful writings by a select few iconoclasts which
help the individual understand this problem, and begin the
process of conversion to pro-ferality terrorist.
Theodor Adorno
http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~cmnF93/adorno.html
Friedrich Nietzsche
http://www.cwu.edu/~millerj/nietzsche/index.html
Varg Vikernes
Gilles Deleuze/Felix Guattari
http://www.mtsu.edu/~jpurcell/Philosophy/deleuze.html
Arthur Schopenhauer
http://www.friesian.com/arthur.htm
Spinoza Ray Prozak
http://www.*****.com/
Rex Feral
http://www.overthrow.com/books/index.asp?showCat=Hitman&showBook=book20010310174753.txt
Copyright © 2000-2002 Anti-Democratic Initiative
These are not truths, they are opinions; and some of them are pretty
half-baked. Of course that is only my opinion. If it wasn't so late,
and this post wasn't so long, I would enjoy arguing about some of
these assertions. Maybe another time.
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02 Jul 2004 04:29:34 AM |
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The meditation is rather helpful. To some extent it's reasonable.
What all the man do is for themselves first. Selfishness is the
determing factor of human behaviour.
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