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Happy Thanksgiving alt.philosophy |
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
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"He who fights monsters should look into it that he himself does not become
a monster"
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24 Nov 2005 07:48:05 AM |
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote .
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
Thank You!
Through the years it seems the simple "mundane"
things are those for which I am most grateful.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
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| User: "Bob" |
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24 Nov 2005 09:01:35 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:48:05 -0500, "Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com>
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote .
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
Thank You!
Through the years it seems the simple "mundane"
things are those for which I am most grateful.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/print.php?story_id_key=8249
Copyright Army News Service
Commentary: Give thanks for those who answer call
By Caroline Peabody
November 23, 2005
FORT MONROE, Va. (Army News Service, Nov. 23, 2005) - Thanksgiving is
a special time for our nation. We remember our forefathers’ journey to
a new land - seeking freedom from persecution, finding a country that
presented the opportunity for peace and a fruitful future -- for which
we give thanks this time of year.
We also celebrate our military families this time of year during
National Military Family Week. Many - more than a quarter of a million
people - face this holiday without their loved ones. Their loved ones
have traveled to a strange land.
They battle loneliness and have answered our country’s call to serve
and bring that seed of hope to another nation. They are alone, working
to band with their brothers, to survive - to bring hope - to one day
come home.
It is sometimes difficult to remain aware of the sacrifice of military
families. But it is our duty as citizens, as caring humans, to carry
the lamp and recognize the meaning of duty and celebrate, embrace and
support all those who answer the call.
So many families in our nation will sit across from an empty chair
while we enjoy our feasts. Their table will be quieter than ours.
Their hearts heavier. They will carry worries we do not share - but
can remember. For we can give thanks for their service and pray for
the safety of their loved ones until they return.
We give thanks and remember that each day we awaken rested, we
remember those who pray for one night’s sleep without nightmares. We
give thanks that for each step we take with our legs, there are those
who have sacrificed their mobility. We give thanks that for each
vision we see, every time we are able to look at our loved ones, we
have the ability to revel in their joy.
Most of all, we give thanks that we are blessed. Blessed to be a part
of a nation that is so prosperous. Blessed that we have our families
and shelter and food.
We are also blessed to have the ability to pray for the strength and
courage to maintain awareness of our brother’s sacrifice - to give to
our community in any way we can, as they are giving in service to
their call. This is our duty: to give thanks - to pray - to remember.
(Editor’s note: Caroline Peabody is president of the Military Family
Network, based in Hampton, Va. The Military Family Network,
www.emilitary.org, is a community network helping military families
get connected with each other and organizations in their communities.
This article was first posted by the TRADOC News Service.)
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"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"
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24 Nov 2005 02:10:18 AM |
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
--
"He who fights monsters should look into it that he himself does not
become
a monster"
Just for a philosophic twist, I have often thought we should give thanks for
'hunger' at least as much as for the bounty we have. Balance seems to be
the best path.
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| User: "Miller" |
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24 Nov 2005 07:12:24 AM |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
--
"He who fights monsters should look into it that he himself does not
become
a monster"
Just for a philosophic twist, I have often thought we should give thanks
for
'hunger' at least as much as for the bounty we have. Balance seems to be
the best path.
Which goes to show that philosophy is for people with full bellies. I doubt
very much if there are many Americans who do not get enough to eat, that are
thankful today that they are hungry.
Scott
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| User: "Bob" |
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24 Nov 2005 02:26:40 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:12:24 -0500, "Miller"
<chumley702@chartermi.net> wrote:
I doubt very much if there are many Americans who do not get enough to eat, that are
thankful today that they are hungry.
Then they are not going to be very gratified when they fill their
bellies like philosophers.
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"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"
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| User: "JusUK" |
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24 Nov 2005 03:34:15 AM |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
Cheers.
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24 Nov 2005 09:58:14 PM |
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tooly:
Just for a philosophic twist, I have often thought we should give thanks
for 'hunger' at least as much as for the bounty we have. Balance seems to
be the best path.
I thought we were giving thanks for giving to those that had giving.
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| User: "tooly" |
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25 Nov 2005 02:30:57 PM |
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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tooly:
Just for a philosophic twist, I have often thought we should give thanks
for 'hunger' at least as much as for the bounty we have. Balance seems
to be the best path.
I thought we were giving thanks for giving to those that had giving.
I personally give thanks to my creator, which I still hold onto, despite
all...
And then try to understand that creation, which leads me to realize that
without 'hunger', we could never appreciate the bounty we have. It appears
to me that existence is very much a 'relativity' created upon
contrasts...and for that, I'm led into the thought about 'balance'. Too
much or too little of anything seems detrimental to life. I'm taking time
to 'appreciate' the very act of appreciating...and then working to protect
that in myself. Wisdom tells us, 'all things in moderation'...etc. blah
blah.
Though the idea would seem universal, I wonder if this serves particular
notice to 'knowledge'. My greatest moments in my own life have been when I
existed under a simple innocense, whereby as I look back, I may be
embarrassed at my foolishness, but I remember the vitality of existing like
a child. We gain knowledge as we go of course, but often I wonder what it
is that we have traded in doing so.
But I hold onto my belief in God no matter; that is not on the barter
table...call it fabrication, or lies or stories, or whatever you want...but
I know of it's value to me, that's all. What good is a day of giving thanks
if there is nothing to give thanks to? Are we secularly patting ourselves
on our back? I mean, what's up with that?
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| User: "Seeker" |
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26 Nov 2005 12:21:33 AM |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote
But I hold onto my belief in God no matter; that is not on the barter
table...call it fabrication, or lies or stories, or whatever you
want...but I know of it's value to me, that's all. What good is a day of
giving thanks if there is nothing to give thanks to? Are we secularly
patting ourselves on our back? I mean, what's up with that?
How about thanking the turkey for it's sacrifice, or all the critters that
give up their habitats so we can grow our food, all the little frogs killed
harvesting cranberries or rice. Seems like we have a lot of sentients to
thank for our bounty, why invent fantasies?
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| User: "tooly" |
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26 Nov 2005 05:36:52 PM |
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"Seeker" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote
But I hold onto my belief in God no matter; that is not on the barter
table...call it fabrication, or lies or stories, or whatever you
want...but I know of it's value to me, that's all. What good is a day of
giving thanks if there is nothing to give thanks to? Are we secularly
patting ourselves on our back? I mean, what's up with that?
How about thanking the turkey for it's sacrifice, or all the critters that
give up their habitats so we can grow our food, all the little frogs
killed harvesting cranberries or rice. Seems like we have a lot of
sentients to thank for our bounty, why invent fantasies?
Ok, sounds like you should give thanks to God's iconic opposite then.
That's ok too. At least you would have an 'object'. But to give thanks to
nothing...that seems less than logical, don't you think?
You make assumptions here you know.
The nature of this world is based upon predator/prey relationships. And yet,
Michelangelo's Peita exists; as well DaVinci's David and Beethoven's
symphonies etc. A higher hierarchy of consummation could exist you
know...where our minds are usurped by greater BEings...leading to...well,
something better. Perhaps that is also the way of our food cycles, whereby
we serve ourselves up to greater forces that serve, in time, the betterment
of creation.
Virtue, I would argue, no matter where you find it, is that general 'force'
by which creation vectors itself toward that betterment. That could be a
matter of math, science, invention...you name it, all perhaps angles upon
the same creation no matter; but a direct understanding can only be found
through pursuit of higher understanding of BEing itself [what is best termed
I think, a spiritual understanding].
No. God is still very relavent to our existence today, even at such times
of high learnedness of our environments, and perhaps even more so, as we
trail miserably in wisdom to our technological advances.
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26 Nov 2005 06:42:55 PM |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote
But I hold onto my belief in God no matter; that is not on the barter
table...call it fabrication, or lies or stories, or whatever you
want...but I know of it's value to me, that's all. What good is a day
of giving thanks if there is nothing to give thanks to? Are we
secularly patting ourselves on our back? I mean, what's up with that?
How about thanking the turkey for it's sacrifice, or all the critters
that give up their habitats so we can grow our food, all the little frogs
killed harvesting cranberries or rice. Seems like we have a lot of
sentients to thank for our bounty, why invent fantasies?
Ok, sounds like you should give thanks to God's iconic opposite then.
What, The Devil? Why? What do you mean?
That's ok too. At least you would have an 'object'. But to give thanks
to nothing...that seems less than logical, don't you think?
Less logical than inventing something to give thanks to?
You make assumptions here you know.
The nature of this world is based upon predator/prey relationships. And
yet, Michelangelo's Peita exists; as well DaVinci's David and Beethoven's
symphonies etc. A higher hierarchy of consummation could exist you
know...where our minds are usurped by greater BEings...leading to...well,
something better. Perhaps that is also the way of our food cycles,
whereby we serve ourselves up to greater forces that serve, in time, the
betterment of creation.
Yea, but Michelangelo did not surrender his life so you could have nice
dinner, the Turkey did. So it makes sense that it's the Turkey (or it's
spirit) that should receive our thanks.
Virtue, I would argue, no matter where you find it, is that general
'force'
by which creation vectors itself toward that betterment. That could be a
matter of math, science, invention...you name it, all perhaps angles upon
the same creation no matter; but a direct understanding can only be found
through pursuit of higher understanding of BEing itself [what is best
termed I think, a spiritual understanding].
Or ontology.
No. God is still very relavent to our existence today, even at such times
of high learnedness of our environments, and perhaps even more so, as we
trail miserably in wisdom to our technological advances.
I liked Dianelos Georgoudis's argument for God's existence, did you read it?
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25 Nov 2005 05:47:53 PM |
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tooly:
Just for a philosophic twist, I have often thought we should give thanks
for 'hunger' at least as much as for the bounty we have. Balance seems
to be the best path.
Turtoni
I thought we were giving thanks for giving to those that had giving.
Tooly: I personally give thanks to my creator,
Thanksgiving can be a time to celebrate the family.
which I still hold onto, despite all...
Would you rather people censored their thoughts in order to preserve other
peoples feelings?
And then try to understand that creation, which leads me to realize that
without 'hunger', we could never appreciate the bounty we have.
So hunger is a good thing?
It appears to me that existence is very much a 'relativity' created upon
contrasts...and for that, I'm led into the thought about 'balance'. Too
much or too little of anything seems detrimental to life. I'm taking time
to 'appreciate' the very act of appreciating...and then working to protect
that in myself. Wisdom tells us, 'all things in moderation'...etc. blah
blah.
Yes. I agree. When there's a constant bounty it must be difficult for some
people to control their appetites, especially if other aspects of their
lifes are "hungry".
Though the idea would seem universal, I wonder if this serves particular
notice to 'knowledge'. My greatest moments in my own life have been when
I existed under a simple innocense, whereby as I look back, I may be
embarrassed at my foolishness, but I remember the vitality of existing
like a child. We gain knowledge as we go of course, but often I wonder
what it is that we have traded in doing so.
Then Garden of Eden. Unfortunately there is also the Lord of the Flies.
But I hold onto my belief in God no matter; that is not on the barter
table...call it fabrication, or lies or stories, or whatever you
want...but I know of it's value to me, that's all. What good is a day of
giving thanks if there is nothing to give thanks to? Are we secularly
patting ourselves on our back? I mean, what's up with that?
There's nothing wrong with that unless you don't care for the people you are
patting on the back.
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| User: "tooly" |
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25 Nov 2005 07:35:01 PM |
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I'm still replying to your oyster poem BTW [later..time is not always on my
side]. Was that original...or something you read somewhere?
"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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tooly:
Just for a philosophic twist, I have often thought we should give
thanks for 'hunger' at least as much as for the bounty we have.
Balance seems to be the best path.
Turtoni
I thought we were giving thanks for giving to those that had giving.
Tooly: I personally give thanks to my creator,
Thanksgiving can be a time to celebrate the family.
which I still hold onto, despite all...
Would you rather people censored their thoughts in order to preserve other
peoples feelings?
Depends. Respect is everything. Patronization is nothing.
And then try to understand that creation, which leads me to realize that
without 'hunger', we could never appreciate the bounty we have.
So hunger is a good thing?
Yes...it can be. It is much prefered over 'emptiness'. See, there is
always the relativity to things; always something to make another thing dark
or light, good or bad...all a matter of contrast don't you think? Some
people like to see God as something absolute, a perfect light or whatever.
But I prefer to see God as only the 'infinite' direction toward betterment,
always moving toward perfection, but never arriving. Within any microcosm,
I do think there are pinnacles...but not absolutes. Christ to me, for
example, is a human pinnacle...and thusly God's expression within ourselves
as an ideal. I believe 'the ideal' in fact.
It is much as I seek that ideal in myself that I find my capacity to give
thanks...but not just in word, but in the depth of my being...for it is a
'virtue' to do so; and virtue to me is not an accolade, but a BEing.
It appears to me that existence is very much a 'relativity' created
upon contrasts...and for that, I'm led into the thought about 'balance'.
Too much or too little of anything seems detrimental to life. I'm taking
time to 'appreciate' the very act of appreciating...and then working to
protect that in myself. Wisdom tells us, 'all things in
moderation'...etc. blah blah.
Yes. I agree. When there's a constant bounty it must be difficult for some
people to control their appetites, especially if other aspects of their
lifes are "hungry".
Consumerism is one such appetite that seems uncontrollable. Or should I
say, all too easily controlled by power merchants who feed our minds with
temptateous material doodads to often sway our imagination from what is
important in life. Thanksgiving for example, is hardly about Turkey...so we
all know. But in the tiniest pea exists the essence of a thing, upon which
all creation is founded. Even the physicist must see the relavence of that,
though the nihilist in any of us cannot compare.
Though the idea would seem universal, I wonder if this serves particular
notice to 'knowledge'. My greatest moments in my own life have been when
I existed under a simple innocense, whereby as I look back, I may be
embarrassed at my foolishness, but I remember the vitality of existing
like a child. We gain knowledge as we go of course, but often I wonder
what it is that we have traded in doing so.
Then Garden of Eden. Unfortunately there is also the Lord of the Flies.
Ah...the paradox; very good. I'm out of time; can't explain that properly
But I hold onto my belief in God no matter; that is not on the barter
table...call it fabrication, or lies or stories, or whatever you
want...but I know of it's value to me, that's all. What good is a day of
giving thanks if there is nothing to give thanks to? Are we secularly
patting ourselves on our back? I mean, what's up with that?
There's nothing wrong with that unless you don't care for the people you
are patting on the back.
Hmm...different angles on that, not sure how meant. gotta go
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27 Nov 2005 07:20:20 PM |
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I'm still replying to your oyster poem BTW [later..time is not always on
my side]. Was that original...or something you read somewhere?
No I didn't write it. It's the Walrus and Carpenter.
So hunger is a good thing?
Yes...it can be. It is much prefered over 'emptiness'. See, there is
always the relativity to things; always something to make another thing
dark or light, good or bad...all a matter of contrast don't you think?
Some people like to see God as something absolute, a perfect light or
whatever. But I prefer to see God as only the 'infinite' direction toward
betterment, always moving toward perfection, but never arriving. Within
any microcosm, I do think there are pinnacles...but not absolutes. Christ
to me, for example, is a human pinnacle...and thusly God's expression
within ourselves as an ideal. I believe 'the ideal' in fact.
Nicely put tooly.
It is much as I seek that ideal in myself that I find my capacity to give
thanks...but not just in word, but in the depth of my being...for it is a
'virtue' to do so; and virtue to me is not an accolade, but a BEing.
In Christianity you only have to believe that Jesus died for *your* sins..
Although I'm not religious, so you may want to verify this.
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| User: "tooly" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:36:53 PM |
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"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I'm still replying to your oyster poem BTW [later..time is not always on
my side]. Was that original...or something you read somewhere?
No I didn't write it. It's the Walrus and Carpenter.
So hunger is a good thing?
Yes...it can be. It is much prefered over 'emptiness'. See, there is
always the relativity to things; always something to make another thing
dark or light, good or bad...all a matter of contrast don't you think?
Some people like to see God as something absolute, a perfect light or
whatever. But I prefer to see God as only the 'infinite' direction toward
betterment, always moving toward perfection, but never arriving. Within
any microcosm, I do think there are pinnacles...but not absolutes.
Christ to me, for example, is a human pinnacle...and thusly God's
expression within ourselves as an ideal. I believe 'the ideal' in fact.
Nicely put tooly.
It is much as I seek that ideal in myself that I find my capacity to give
thanks...but not just in word, but in the depth of my being...for it is a
'virtue' to do so; and virtue to me is not an accolade, but a BEing.
In Christianity you only have to believe that Jesus died for *your* sins..
Although I'm not religious, so you may want to verify this.
Yes, I'm told that. But I, for one, have never been able to understand
exactly what that meant. First I must define sin...and then what does dying
have anything to do with anything?
In my own search, and then aspiration toward virtue, I came to a 'wall' I
could not go around. I understood it to be 'selfishness' [perhaps why I got
so upset on the Metzinger proposition, since 'self' has been a major
stumbling block for me]. There was nothing I could do, you see, to prove
that I acted selflessly toward God...and therefore, no matter how I resolved
myself to embracing virtue, it was always clouded. Almost anything, all
things...all thoughts, all behavior, all action...can be understood as
serving 'self' first and foremost. There is always that angle, no matter.
And so, my reach toward virtue, which was to always find that which was
selfless in me, became more or less understood on a deeper level as a
'cleverness' of my own consciousness...'the devil made me do it' thingy,ha
[the subconscious animal in me always seeking it's own lunch, it's own
rewards, and even virtue itself only an attempt at glorification of self
etc].
It is perhaps the great crisis of the Christian soul I think.
But, it was then I understood, perhaps at least an angle, to this 'dying for
our sins' thing. I understood this 'chasm' would always exist, as I existed
as a mortal, seperating me from...how should I say this...from my ability to
reach any further than my own immortal selfishness [the short idea here, to
reach toward God].
I understood there was only one way I could ever really prove my
'selflessness'...and that was to sacrifice that self...an obvious conundrum
of survival, ha. And what good would it be that the only way a living thing
could ever cross that chasm would be to die? The world, this moment of our
BEing, must surely have some purpose other than simply being born to
die...right [uh, forget that question; I forget I'm in the alt.philosophy
NG, ha].
So, that's when I thought perhaps I could entertain a sense to why an
'example' might be necessary, that represented all of us somehow; our
kind...as a creature in the cosmos or whatever. I dunno; just some of my
own crazy thinking, in how I've been able to hold onto my belief as more
than just wishful thinking.
One thing I do relate to some of what you guys posted about Metzinger is the
'models' of consciousness we trade off and on. I would offer that Christ is
a model of consciousness that any of may borrow upon that we reach across
that chasm of selfishness, by which we might embrace inner virtue, and
release a certain potential as a 'loving self' within us. Hmmm...'loving
self' does not do the creature proper I think. That sounds too secular and
patronizing. Love itself is a condition by which our very marrow is
energized...and life itself explained not by condition of question, but by
simple seeing...BEing.
In essence, I feel as if I become part of Christ, and Christ as we...but
neither...as God [as found in that pinnacle of human virtuosity].
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| User: "Bob" |
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24 Nov 2005 03:39:33 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:10:18 -0500, "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net>
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we should give thanks for 'hunger'
Without hunger we would starve to death.
Without life we would never die. If you want immortality, never live.
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"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"
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24 Nov 2005 01:23:34 AM |
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Here here. Happy Thanksgiving, fellow US citizens.
steveo
"Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> wrote in message
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Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
--
"He who fights monsters should look into it that he himself does not
become
a monster"
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| User: "Stu" |
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| Title: Re: Happy Thanksgiving alt.philosophy |
24 Nov 2005 02:10:56 PM |
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On 2005-11-23 15:51:06 -0800, "Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> said:
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Glad its not thrown in the category of mere qualia.
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~Stu
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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| Title: Re: Happy Thanksgiving alt.philosophy |
24 Nov 2005 02:38:51 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:10:56 -0800, Stu <Nospam@towel.com> wrote:
On 2005-11-23 15:51:06 -0800, "Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> said:
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Glad its not thrown in the category of mere qualia.
Qualia are not mere. They are deceitful, but not mere.
Consider the self quale known as "hungry", and that known as
"satiety". For those that fast and those that feast today, the quale
is different.
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
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Phrase of the week :
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/protista/slimemolds.html
:-))))Snort!)
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| User: "Stu" |
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| Title: Re: Happy Thanksgiving alt.philosophy |
25 Nov 2005 01:40:54 AM |
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On 2005-11-24 12:38:51 -0800, Sir Frederick <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> said:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:10:56 -0800, Stu <Nospam@towel.com> wrote:
On 2005-11-23 15:51:06 -0800, "Turtoni" <turtoni@alt.philosophy> said:
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's a pleasure reading you guys!
Hope you have a good one.
I'll still be posting. Doh!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Glad its not thrown in the category of mere qualia.
Qualia are not mere. They are deceitful, but not mere.
Consider the self quale known as "hungry", and that known as "satiety".
For those that fast and those that feast today, the quale
is different.
Those who are hungry are not experiencing a quale. They are getting
cues from the very real predicament of their circumstance. Hunger is a
brain stem response. It is not deceitful. No food = hunger.
This brain stem response is the result of bad socio-politics. There is
no reason for anybody to go hungry.
For those who are fortunate enough to transcend our reptile brains, we
would be best served by using our higher rational resources to generate
the quale of compassion. And with that quale as a motivator, take the
action of finding away to balance the social inequality.
There is no reason that people on this earth should be robbed of their
higher rational selves and survive through the reactions of the brain
stem.
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~Stu
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