Science > Philosophy > Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found thereligion of humanity? What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
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28 Dec 2007 06:44:55 PM |
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Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found thereligion of humanity? What do you think Christians and assorted theists? |
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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30 Dec 2007 08:41:19 AM |
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BTW...calling people Skippy does not impress anyone...well maybe it
bolsters your ego?
Showing respect for one another is where the 'religion of humanity'
starts.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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| User: "snausages" |
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| Title: Re: Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found thereligion of humanity? What do you think Christians and assorted theists? |
29 Dec 2007 04:17:30 AM |
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On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
Haha. Cleaned up their mouths? How about the people who post at
alt.politics who claim to be christians yet spew all manners of vile
and evil words? Cast not the first stone, don't be removing the speck
from someone's eye, yadda yadda yadda.
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29 Dec 2007 10:00:02 AM |
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On Dec 29, 5:17=EF=BF=BDam, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
Haha. =EF=BF=BDCleaned up their mouths? =EF=BF=BDHow about the people who =
post at
alt.politics who claim to be christians yet spew all manners of vile
and evil words? =EF=BF=BDCast not the first stone, don't be removing the s=
peck
from someone's eye, yadda yadda yadda.- Hide quoted text -
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Perfection???
This is a good example why atheists fail in their search for inner
peace.
Atheists seek only perfection and discards anything that is not
perfect.
Each religion contains perfection's as well as imperfections. It is up
to the practitioner or end user to use the tools in the right way.
The problem is not the wisdom that is defective. The problem lies with
religious practitioners who are defective in their practice of this
wisdom. The wisdom works - we don't work the wisdom.
So the poor atheists can never find anything 'perfect enough' to latch
onto in their journey to find inner peace.
So, what do the atheists put all their hopes in?
They put all their hopes at finding the failures of humanity instead
of finding the successes.
It then becomes a 'tit for tat' game.
Theists point fingers at the atheist failures - atheists point fingers
at theist failures.
All this means nothing.
It is no different from finding a bad parent and saying we should
outlaw parents because one is bad.
It is true that many Christians do not practice what they preach.
Same with Jews, Hindus, Muslims as well as Atheists.
Atheist don't preach do they?
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D640.0
This phenomena of 'talking the talk but not walking the walk' is not
limited to any one set of beliefs. It just proves the point that
'knowledge without application is useless' and this applies to every
religion known to mankind as well as the atheists.
Many of us get blinded with labels and personal prejudices.
I find it is good to 'look for direction and forget perfection' if we
wish to be at peace with this subject.
Perfection is a journey I take and direction I head in - but I never
arrive at in life.
Perfection is the nature of gods.
Imperfection is the nature of humans.
We can see this with logic.
What is logical is not always practical when it comes to humans...is
it?
Despite this fact, we can all do better if we try at perfecting inner
peace within and with all.
I look towards my direction...am I improving...getting worse...or
frozen?
When you see a failure theist or atheists point out the flaws not in
hatred, but with a spirit of kindness and a genuine effort at helping
others.
Sure tearing others down appeals to one's ego and pride, but so did
torturing insects when we were kids. When we grow up we need a
different way to find self worth.
As you instill seeds of peace within others you plant the same seeds
and water these seeds within you as well.
As you give so you receive.
Is that from the bible or karma?
No, it is just universal law.
Do we like to be beaten down?
Whenever we take it upon ourselves to beat down others, we are headed
in a direction of destroying peace. We destroy our own peace as well
as others peace. It takes no energy from me to pass something by and
leave it alone in peace. But it takes my energy as well as my peace to
pick something up to destroy it.
When I posted this paragraph earlier, an atheist piped to accuse me of
hypocrisy, telling me that I destroy a potato when I pick it up to eat
it.
Natural law dictates I must eat, but there is no law that says I must
spew venom from my mouth to destroy others.
If atheists can get over fishing for red herrings and get onto bigger
fish to fry they will see a world of difference in their peace
practice.
The destruction of inner peace by destroying potatoes comes about when
I destroy my neighbors crop field of potatoes by poisoning them to
bankrupt him in order to take over his farmland...it does not come
about by eating a potato.
The God of Nature gives me potatoes to eat, the God of inner Peace
tells me to not eat potatoes in excess or to destroy others if I wish
to be at peace. I cannot see either God, I know not how they work, I
just know they are.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D342.0
We should never find happiness in destroying others belief systems.
When I posted this before Raven brought up the Nazis and should we
just let the Nazis belief systems flourish?
Whatever I write about has to be balanced with practicality and some
wisdom. When I write "We should never find happiness in destroying
others belief systems." I am mainly referring the ongoing battles that
evolve between theists and atheists or theists and other theists.
These groups take pride in destroying others belief or lack of belief
systems. When we put out pride in destruction and hurting others we
destroy ourselves as well. All our actions have consequences, and many
of our actions produce consequences that end up destroying peace. They
destroy our peace as well as the inner peace of others.
As far as Nazis?
My words do not mean we have to not be concerned with danger to our
well being by another, but, it also reminds us we will never be at
peace by fostering hatred for another.
Sure protect yourself, but find no happiness in killing other living
beings even if the killing is out of self defense, if you wish to be
at peace within.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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| User: "V" |
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29 Dec 2007 09:43:40 AM |
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On Dec 29, 5:17=EF=BF=BDam, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
Haha. =EF=BF=BDCleaned up their mouths? =EF=BF=BDHow about the people who =
post at
alt.politics who claim to be christians yet spew all manners of vile
and evil words? =EF=BF=BDCast not the first stone, don't be removing the s=
peck
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We are here to help each other out?
Or are we here to hurt each other?
Well, the atheists must take the sick Christian under their wings and
point out their shortcomings.
Minster to the sick Christians on 'right Christian' actions.
This is what's nice about theists - you know where they stand with
their morals and religion for the most part, so they can be helped
when they stray off course.
In Matthew, Jesus is reported to have said:
"That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that
which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."
So you are right with your concerns of helping the sick Christian get
better with right speech. For speech gives a glimpse of what is inside
us - be it foul or pure.
Watch your thoughts,
they become words.
Watch your words,
they become actions
Watch your actions,
they become habits.
Watch your habits,
they become character.
Watch your character
it becomes your destiny.
Anonymous
But the support the atheists offers must be done with love instead of
hatred and destruction in mind.
Are your motives to help or hurt?
This is the deciding factor on whether your actions are peace based or
not.
An offer of true compassion may mean something to the sick Christian
and not be as hard to swallow.
Whereas actions of hatred just fuel more hatred.
As a Hindu sage once told me..."Just as water floes downhill without
effort but requires outside forces and energy to make it move uphill.
So the human consciousness falls to its lowest levels of the senses
without effort and energies to make our consciousness gravitate to
more than our base desires."
So we can all benefit from having our consciousness raised to higher
levels.
Have any of you ever thought about being more like Mother Teresa?
Mother Teresa was an atheist with a charitable and kind foundation
that worked to help people instead of hurting them? She is a good role
model for the atheist.
No doubt there are some Christian charities in your local you can help
out at. It would make a big impression on the charities to see an
atheist helping out along side theists. Also may offer more
opportunities for you to 'help' Christians be better Christians.
"Victories attained by right thought can only be maintained by
watchfulness. Many give way when success is assured and rapidly fall
back into failure." ~ James Allen.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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29 Dec 2007 04:24:25 AM |
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On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
I have another thought--sorry.
I'm sure we've all thought about this but I just like to hear what the
christians have to say about my following question.
If christians are behaving properly so that they can get a reward--
heaven--then are their actions all that noble? Seems to be selfish,
if you ask me.
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02 Jan 2008 03:38:55 PM |
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On Dec 29 2007, 5:24=A0am, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
I have another thought--sorry.
I'm sure we've all thought about this but I just like to hear what the
christians have to say about my following question.
If christians are behaving properly so that they can get a reward--
heaven--then are their actions all that noble? =A0Seems to be selfish,
if you ask me.- Hide quoted text -
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Others "Christian" may have their own take on this, but .. the Bible
clearly states that any and all "good" actions that I partake in have
no bearing upon my entrance into heaven. Entrance is strickly
predicated upon faith in Jesus Christ. A Christian's (one who has
faith) attempt to do "good deeds" is merely the natural outpouring of
the new life that God provides to those who have faith. This
"reflection" of God (by doing good deeds) can be marred when
Christians disobey God, but it is not a requirement to become
acceptable to God.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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02 Jan 2008 09:55:22 PM |
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On Jan 2, 1:38=A0pm, wrote:
On Dec 29 2007, 5:24=A0am, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
I have another thought--sorry.
I'm sure we've all thought about this but I just like to hear what the
christians have to say about my following question.
If christians are behaving properly so that they can get a reward--
heaven--then are their actions all that noble? =A0Seems to be selfish,
if you ask me.- Hide quoted text -
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Others "Christian" may have their own take on this, but .. the Bible
clearly states that any and all "good" actions that I partake in have
no bearing upon my entrance into heaven. =A0Entrance is strickly
predicated upon faith in Jesus Christ. =A0A Christian's (one who has
faith) attempt to do "good deeds" is merely the natural outpouring of
the new life that God provides to those who have faith. =A0This
"reflection" of God (by doing good deeds) can be marred when
Christians disobey God, but it is not a requirement to become
acceptable to God.
Right. Entrance to Heaven is strictly predicated upon faith in Jesus
Christ. So, does that mean that the BTK Killer and Willie Pickton are
both going to heaven? Usually when I bring this up the Christians tell
me they are not "true Christians."
And does their faith in Jesus mean that they are better humans than me
(for instance), even though I have never murdered and butchered anyone?
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04 Jan 2008 10:29:11 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:38:55 -0800, MichaelNJ wrote:
Others "Christian" may have their own take on this, but .. the Bible
clearly states that any and all "good" actions that I partake in have no
bearing upon my entrance into heaven. Entrance is strickly predicated
upon faith in Jesus Christ. A Christian's (one who has faith) attempt
to do "good deeds" is merely the natural outpouring of the new life that
God provides to those who have faith. This "reflection" of God (by
doing good deeds) can be marred when Christians disobey God, but it is
not a requirement to become acceptable to God.
No, no, no, you're getting it all wrong. V *is* god. Now do as he hath
commanded thee or he'll smite thee with really, really, really long
winded posts about how great he is.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“It is one of the Christian delusions that Christianity
brought charity into the world. It did no such thing.
There were plenty of agencies for taking care of the
poor and helpless long before Christianity was heard
of, and even before Judaism. Both Christianity and
Judaism have converted charity into a sort of pious racket.”
- H. L. Mencken
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04 Jan 2008 07:11:20 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:38:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 29 2007, 5:24 am, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
I have another thought--sorry.
I'm sure we've all thought about this but I just like to hear what the
christians have to say about my following question.
If christians are behaving properly so that they can get a reward--
heaven--then are their actions all that noble? Seems to be selfish,
if you ask me.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Others "Christian" may have their own take on this, but .. the Bible
clearly states that any and all "good" actions that I partake in have
What does "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" have to instruct you
on your real world existsence, you freakin' lunatic?
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29 Dec 2007 09:55:56 AM |
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On Dec 29, 5:24=EF=BF=BDam, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
I have another thought--sorry.
I'm sure we've all thought about this but I just like to hear what the
christians have to say about my following question.
If christians are behaving properly so that they can get a reward--
heaven--then are their actions all that noble? =EF=BF=BDSeems to be selfis=
h,
if you ask me.- Hide quoted text -
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Absolutely.
Is the thief that does not steal because the policeman is watching an
honest person?
Ask yourself why you wish to do something. Is it for inner peace? Or
to massage your ego? Or because it feels good? Or to improve ones
karmic debt? Or to fit in? Or because others say so? Or to hurt
another? Or to try and escape the consequences of our actions? What is
your driving force?
Fear based reasons for doing something are not authentic and natural
actions. The persons actions are based on negative consequences
otherwise they would not do them. My actions are based on inner peace
and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my choice.
Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer. When you
align real and authentic actions with those that promote inner peace
you have found enlightenment.
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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29 Dec 2007 07:53:07 PM |
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On Dec 30, 1:55=C2=A0am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 29, 5:24=EF=BF=BDam, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
I have another thought--sorry.
I'm sure we've all thought about this but I just like to hear what the
christians have to say about my following question.
If christians are behaving properly so that they can get a reward--
heaven--then are their actions all that noble? =EF=BF=BDSeems to be self=
ish,
if you ask me.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Absolutely.
Is the thief that does not steal because the policeman is watching an
honest person?
Ask yourself why you wish to do something. Is it for inner peace? Or
to massage your ego? Or because it feels good? Or to improve ones
karmic debt? Or to fit in? Or because others say so? Or to hurt
another? Or to try and escape the consequences of our actions? What is
your driving force?
Fear based reasons for doing something are not authentic and natural
actions. The persons actions are based on negative consequences
otherwise they would not do them. My actions are based on inner peace
and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my choice.
Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer. When you
align real and authentic actions with those that promote inner peace
you have found enlightenment.
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
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Organised religion is the work of the devil used by men to gain power
over others. I participated in the Athiesm vs Christianity group and
the athiest always win the arguement based on facts and reason. Where
they lose is when they become intolerant of those with different
beliefs. Reality is you will find some good athiest and some bad
athiest just like you find in organized religion. The only difference
is the athiest isn't trying to pretend their something they are not.
W Bush is a fine example of a Hypocritical Christian.
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29 Dec 2007 08:15:24 PM |
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On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Tried to convert to Satanism, but Satan told
me I already did that last year. So much for
my entire five minutes spent screwing around
with religion.
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| User: "V" |
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30 Dec 2007 08:10:04 AM |
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On Dec 29, 9:15=EF=BF=BDpm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Tried to convert to Satanism, but Satan told
me I already did that last year. =EF=BF=BDSo much for
my entire five minutes spent screwing around
with religion.
When I was a Catholic, I used to think Satan worshipers were atheists.
But later realized that Satan worshipers are theists just like a
Christian, Muslim or Jew is.
The difference between the two types of theists is; the Satan
worshiper seeks out evil, darkness and all that is bad, as opposed to
the worshipers of Yahweh that seek to follow the supposed goodness
that that God myth offers.
For both of these factions believe in God and Satan - they just choose
to deify different deities of the same equation.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
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On Dec 30, 9:10 am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 29, 9:15=EF=BF=BDpm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote=
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On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Tried to convert to Satanism, but Satan told
me I already did that last year. =EF=BF=BDSo much for
my entire five minutes spent screwing around
with religion.
When I was a Catholic, I used to think Satan worshipers were atheists.
But later realized that Satan worshipers are theists just like a
Christian, Muslim or Jew is.
The difference between the two types of theists is; the Satan
worshiper seeks out evil, darkness and all that is bad, as opposed to
the worshipers of Yahweh that seek to follow the supposed goodness
that that God myth offers.
For both of these factions believe in God and Satan - they just choose
to deify different deities of the same equation.
If you've read LaVey, you'd know Satanists are out for themselves,
and only into "Satanism" as a joke and no more.
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On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
If you're referring to your own droppings, very few people read you
anymore. They've plonked you or simply ignore you.
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Nope.
Have they found the religion of humanity?
It needs to be a "religion"?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Putting "to sleep" assorted xians, trolls and fucktards in general is
quite humane.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
Having fun with your sig? At which rate do you add an insignificant
line?
AA#2
Stupid flamer.
Olrik
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Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in
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alt.atheism on 29 Dec 2007:
Subject: Re: Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found
the religion of humanity? What do you think Christians and assorted
theists? From: Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.politics, alt.philosophy
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
If you're referring to your own droppings, very few people read you
anymore. They've plonked you or simply ignore you.
Which is, of course, why the f^Hlanguage has improved.
--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
And now, today's sponsor message:
For the P.T. Barnum of non-verified medicine, it's got to be:
Earthquack.
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On Dec 29, 5:07=EF=BF=BDam, "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org>
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Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote innews:2d812bc5-e0bd-4475-8d10-3402ba30b6=
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alt.atheism on 29 Dec 2007:
Subject: Re: Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found
the =EF=BF=BDreligion of humanity? What do you think Christians and asso=
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theists? From: Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.politics, alt.philosophy
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
If you're referring to your own droppings, very few people read you
anymore. They've plonked you or simply ignore you.
Which is, of course, why the f^Hlanguage has improved.
--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
And now, today's sponsor message:
For the P.T. Barnum of non-verified medicine, it's got to be:
Earthquack.
Thanks, that was my concern.
V
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:07:43 +0100, Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in
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alt.atheism on 29 Dec 2007:
Subject: Re: Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found
the religion of humanity? What do you think Christians and assorted
theists? From: Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.atheism,
alt.politics, alt.philosophy
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
If you're referring to your own droppings, very few people read you
anymore. They've plonked you or simply ignore you.
Which is, of course, why the f^Hlanguage has improved.
It also shows that if it doesn't involve V, it doesn't exist. If we could
get *everybody* to stop replying to him, he'd think Usenet was empty, no
matter how many other messages to other people there were...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble.
But how much nobler it would be if men died for
ideas that were true!”
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On Dec 29, 9:01 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:07:43 +0100, Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2d812bc5-e0bd-4475-8d10-3402ba30b63b@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.comto
alt.atheism on 29 Dec 2007:
Subject: Re: Have our atheists friends found religion? Have they found
the religion of humanity? What do you think Christians and assorted
theists? From: Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.atheism,
alt.politics, alt.philosophy
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
If you're referring to your own droppings, very few people read you
anymore. They've plonked you or simply ignore you.
Which is, of course, why the f^Hlanguage has improved.
It also shows that if it doesn't involve V, it doesn't exist. If we could
get *everybody* to stop replying to him, he'd think Usenet was empty, no
matter how many other messages to other people there were...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble.
But how much nobler it would be if men died for
ideas that were true!"
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Egocentricity?
Well, you'd better look at yourself first, for you demand much of
others, where my only demand is for my right to exist.
No Mark, I just don't have time to read it all. I've left about 30
something forums on the usenet that do not offer much in terms of
participation from serious users, so I can free up a little more time.
I participate here as much as my schedule allows. But I can not afford
to be a computer addict and read every post.
As far as plonking me?
You seem to have only two choices with your replies Mark....Filth or
Plonk?
Have you ever considered that there may be some truth in what I say
since you cannot answer me otherwise Mark?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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On Dec 29, 10:15=A0am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
Egucentreecity?
Vell, yuoo'd better luuk et yuoorselff furst, fur yuoo demund mooch
ooff oozeers, vhere-a my oonly demund is fur my reeght tu ixeest.
Nu Merk, I joost dun't hefe-a teeme-a tu reed it ell. I'fe-a lefft
ebuoot 30 sumetheeng furooms oon zee usenet thet du nut ooffffer mooch
in terms ooff perteecipeshun frum sereeuoos users, su I cun free-a up
a leettle-a mure-a teeme-a. I perteecipete-a here-a es mooch es my
schedoole-a elloos. Boot I cun nut effffurd tu be-a a cumpooter
eddeect und reed ifery pust.
Es fer es plunkeeng me-a? Yuoo seem tu hefe-a oonly tvu chueeces veet
yuoor repleees Merk....Feelt oor Plunk?
Hefe-a yuoo ifer cunseedered thet zeere-a mey be-a sume-a troot in
vhet I sey seence-a yuoo cunnut unsver me-a oozeerveese-a Merk?
Teke-a cere-a,
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Egnusteec
Precteecel Pheelusupher
Footooreest
Urbun Humesteeder
Egnusteec meenister ooff secooler hoomuneesm tu zee meend munecled,
spureetooelly seeck, deffeeunce-a besed ezeeeest.
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argybargy, fishiewishie!
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On Dec 29, 12:02 am, Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
If you're referring to your own droppings, very few people read you
anymore. They've plonked you or simply ignore you.
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Nope.
Have they found the religion of humanity?
It needs to be a "religion"?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Putting "to sleep" assorted xians, trolls and fucktards in general is
quite humane.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
Having fun with your sig? At which rate do you add an insignificant
line?
AA#2
Stupid flamer.
Olrik
"It needs to be a "religion"?"
Atheist have to absolutely put 'their religion' of secular humanism
foremost in their life if they wish to be at peace and promote their
cause.
Our group here is exacting proof positive what the atheist turns into
without 'any' religion in their life.
Now, just paying lip service to a religion means nothing.
We can see this with the Muslims.
As a group, I'd say the Muslims are the sickest religious group there
is. The Muslims are in a class by themselves...the sickest of the sick
when it comes to being poisoned by religion.
Atheists have little or no connection with their inner peace and they
do not operate under a fear of God, so they are left to their own
devices.
As such, atheist have no authenticity in their peace practice, but are
'fear based' practitioners just as many theists are.
The secular humanists talks a good talk...but in the end they have no
incentive to do right other than the fear of pain from breaking man
made laws.
Lets look at a few of these atheists to get at the facts:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=509.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=529.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=630.0
Until atheists become peace based, they will fail at being 'humane
humans' just as theists fail, since most theists are not authentic in
their practice and run by fear as well.
Fear of the law, fear of God, fear of bad karma, fear of hell...those
fears do not make one 'authentic' in one's peace practice.
Take away fear of the law, fear of God, fear of bad karma, fear of
hell and you have a different person.
Does the thief that does not steal because a policeman is looking a
truly honest person?
A truly virtuous life remains the same irrespective of such fears and
is not based on them.
Really the 'religion of the atheists' AKA secular humanism does not
fail the atheist...it is the atheist that fails to make use of the
wisdom that their religion offers them.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=640.0
The atheists failure is rooted in motivational ignorance and lack of
desire.
Until one sees a need to adopt a certain moral direction why would one
adopt it?
And motivation and direction is solely based on inner peace and a
desire to achieve it and not destroy others inner peace.
But, the atheist is ignorant of what inner peace means, how to achieve
inner peace as well as what destroys others inner peace.
A good start to see what does motivate oneself is to ask yourself why
you wish to do something?
Is it for inner peace?
Or to massage your ego?
Or scared to go to hell?
Or because it feels good?
Or to improve ones karmic debt?
Or because others say so?
Or to hurt another?
Or to fit in...as Peter van Velzen had expressed?
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=646.0
What is your driving force?
Fear based reasons for doing something are not authentic and natural
actions.
The persons actions are based on negative consequences otherwise they
would not do them.
My actions are based on inner peace and if I stray - there goes my
peace - it is my choice.
Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer. When you
align real and authentic actions with those that promote inner peace
you have found enlightenment.
The facts are this: when people are devoid of religion...they
generally stink as humans.
Until atheism can replace theist based religion as a VIABLE and REAL
way to inner peace, with a reverence of humanity, it can never take
over the world and extinguish religion.
When you get rid of one thing, it makes room for another.
Sure atheist can succeed at pointing to the flaws of religious
thought, but they have nothing to replace the flaws with.
So theists choose the lesser of two evils while on earth, with the
hopes of hitting the jackpot in the hereafter.
When atheists become successes at 'the religion of humanity,' you may
become more successful at replacing theist based religion.
Until that time..."a mans mind may be likened to a garden which may be
intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild; but whether
cultivated or neglected, it must and will bring forth. If no useful
seeds are put into it, then an abundance of useless 'weed seeds' will
fall therein and will continue to produce their kind." ~ James Allen
And religion does a good job at controlling the weeds.
In its history, organized atheism has never succeeded at replacing
religion with real humanity and compassion.
The atheists talk a good story, but atheists fail miserably when it
comes to practical application of the 'peace talk.'
And really the vast majority of atheists don't even have 'the talk' to
spout, since they have no semblance of inner peace themselves in order
to form a basis of 'lip service' to pontificate.
Another reason atheists will never win, is in general it takes hatred
to fuel atheism if one is a dogmatic, militant atheist.
Hatred blinds one to peace.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/f4006812a06f9ddf
When you lose the hatred and militant foundation, then you do not wish
to destroy others or their religion....you are at peace to let them be
religious.
Sure you do not let others destroy you with religion, you tell them
the facts that they run by faith, so do not get too high and mighty
and start forcing you into the religion against your will.
But you only fight in a measured way of self defense, instead of the
offensive atheists that sets out to destroy 'all faith based beliefs'
just for the sheer joy of hurting another.
Sure tearing others down appeals to one's ego and pride, but so did
torturing insects when we were kids. When we grow up we need a
different way to find self worth.
As you instill seeds of peace within others you plant the same seeds
and water these seeds within you as well.
As you give so you receive.
Is that from the bible or karma?
No, it is just universal law.
Do we like to be beaten down?
Whenever we take it upon ourselves to beat down others, we are headed
in a direction of destroying peace. We destroy our own peace as well
as others peace.
It takes no energy from me to pass something by and leave it alone in
peace. But it takes my energy as well as my peace to pick something up
to destroy it.
When I posted this paragraph earlier, an atheist piped to accuse me of
hypocrisy, telling me that I destroy a potato when I pick it up to eat
it, so I am a liar.
Natural law dictates I must eat, but there is no law that says I must
spew venom from my mouth to destroy others.
If atheists can get over fishing for red herrings and get onto bigger
fish to fry they will see a world of difference in their peace
practice.
The destruction of inner peace by destroying potatoes comes about when
I destroy my neighbors crop field of potatoes by poisoning them to
bankrupt him in order to take over his farmland...it does not come
about by eating a potato.
The God of Nature gives me potatoes to eat, the God of Inner Peace
tells me to not eat potatoes in excess or to destroy others if I wish
to be at peace. I cannot see either God, I know not how these God's
work, I just know they are and I can abide by their guidance or be
defiant to these Gods and end up destroying my life and the lives of
others.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
Yes, there are theists that stink. See: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/burning.html
I will be the first to admit that religion has done lots of harm but I
will also say religion done lots of right.
And just as the question of God cannot be answered with any certainty,
so goes the question of whether the world would have been better off
without religion or not.
It is a question that cannot be answered like it was in the movie
"It's a Wonderful life.'
But lets look at the facts and see that the vast, vast majority of
people are theists or believe in hereafter, so the pot is enormous
that we draw from when we pull out examples of evildoing theists that
the atheists like to parade around.
The USA was founded with God in the details. I suggest atheists that
hate a religious based country like the USA move to China or Russia.
Then you can live your dream right now, in your God free country.
In China, it was a common practice to execute political prisoners with
one bullet to the head...then they sent the bill for the bullet to the
family of the executed prisoner. That is where separation of state and
religion can lead a country. Once religion is out of politics, then
the only thing left in control is ego.
They say Hitler was a Catholic?
I don't know if he was Catholic or not.
I do know that Hitler did not practice even the most basic tenants of
Christianity.
It takes more than lip service to be a 'practicing' Catholic,
Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu or Hebrew follower.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=380.0
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/125b41aa8fd2b87b/cf400bdf88ba1701?lnk=gst&q=conundrum&rnum=7&hl=en#cf400bdf88ba1701
Now, some 'spiritually based atheist's can far surpasses many theists
in kindness and virtue many times...so it just depends on what 'type
of atheist' you are talking about?
But these sort of atheists are very rare to encounter, as spiritual
values and atheism do not generally mix.
"People that practice religion are worried about going to hell -
people that practice spirituality have already been to hell and don't
want to go back."
A lot of atheists I run into make their intellect their God. They do
not know that academic smarts are not the same as peace smarts. Until
they can transcend their ego they will never find the answer (peace)
they seek.
It is the same for those that think money is all that is standing
between them and happiness.
So it goes for the ego and intellect based person that is devoid of
spiritual values.
And if the atheists is honest they will see they do not run their
lives solely by logic and are no better than the theist that runs
their lives by faith.
No, logic only goes so far in life. For what is logical is not always
practical when it comes to humans ... is it?
Always remember...one thing only goes so far with giving a person a
good life. Seek balance.
Spiritual growth as well as humans are not perfect - but we can all do
better at being humans if we try to be more humane.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
There are many flavors of atheists...natural atheists, personal
atheists, explicit atheists, implicit atheists weak atheists, strong
atheists, discovery atheists, reactionary atheists, indoctrinated
atheists and of course the bad ***** atheists with attitude aka BAAWA
varieties.
But the defining characteristic that leads an atheist to peace is
whether they are a 'spiritual based atheist' or 'defiance based
atheist.''
The business of humanism is 'all our business' if we with to live life
at peace. Egocentricity is not good for spiritual work and we need to
be open to others ideas and embrace them as nourishment for your
growth and sustenance for life - as no one person is god.
As a freethinking agnostic I AM FREE to look for truth wherever the
road takes me. I discriminate against no one. As such, I study with
the Christians, the Buddhists, the Jews, the Muslims, the Taoists and
even find truth as I study with the atheists.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
When you practice peace promotion with others you will reap inner
peace promotion. When you practice destroying others peace, you will
reap self destruction of inner peace.
I suggest any atheists wishing to find inner peace within their life
adopt the creed of the atheists (their version of prepackaged morals)
and start actually practicing the wisdom that their religion of
secular humanism offers them.
The 'informal creed' of atheism.
An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes
that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth
for all men together to enjoy.
An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he
must find in himself the inner conviction, and strength to meet life,
to grapple with it, to subdue it and enjoy it.
An Atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a
knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will
help to a life of fulfillment. He seeks to know himself and his fellow
man rather than to know a god. An Atheist believes that a hospital
should be built instead of a church.
An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer
said.
An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He
wants man to understand and love man.
He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a
god or channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a
hereafter.
He believes that we are our brother's keepers; and are keepers of our
own lives; that we are responsible persons and the job is here and the
time is now."
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/
"The Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles"
* We are committed to the application of reason and science to the
understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.
* We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to
explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature
for salvation.
* We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute
to the betterment of human life.
* We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is
the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian
elites and repressive majorities.
* We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and
state.
* We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of
resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.
* We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and
with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.
* We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so
that they will be able to help themselves.
* We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race,
religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or
ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of
humanity.
* We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future
generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other
species.
* We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our
creative talents to their fullest.
* We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.
* We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to
fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to
exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and
informed health-care, and to die with dignity.
* We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity,
honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to
critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we
discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.
* We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We
want to nourish reason and compassion.
* We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.
* We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still
to be made in the cosmos.
* We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to
novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.
* We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of
despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal
significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.
* We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than
despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance,
joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love
instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of
ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.
* We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that
we are capable of as human beings.
Council for Secular Humanism
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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29 Dec 2007 08:25:42 PM |
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On Dec 29, 10:02=A0am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
"It needs tu be-a a "releegiun"?"
Ezeeeest hefe-a tu ebsulootely poot 'zeeur releegiun' ooff secooler
hoomuneesm furemust in zeeur leeffe-a iff zeey veesh tu be-a et peece-
a und prumute-a zeeur coose-a.
Oooor gruoop here-a is ixecteeng pruuff puseetife-a vhet zee ezeeeest
toorns intu veethuoot 'uny' releegiun in zeeur leeffe-a. Noo, joost
peyeeng leep serfeece-a tu a releegiun meuns nutheeng.
Ve-a cun see-a thees veet zee Moosleems.
Es a gruoop, I'd sey zee Moosleems ere-a zee seeckest releegiuoos
gruoop zeere-a is. Zee Moosleems ere-a in a cless by zeemselfes...zee
seeckest ooff zee seeck vhee it cumes tu beeeng pueesuned by
releegiun. Ezeeeests hefe-a leettle-a oor nu cunnecshun veet zeeur
inner peece-a und zeey du nut ooperete-a under a feer ooff Gud, su
zeey ere-a lefft tu zeeur oovn defeeces. Es sooch, ezeeeest hefe-a nu
oozeenteecity in zeeur peece-a precteece-a, boot ere-a 'ffeer besed'
precteeshuners joost es muny zeeeests ere-a.
Zee secooler hoomuneests telks a guud telk...boot in zee ind zeey hefe-
a nu incenteefe-a tu du reeght oozeer thun zee feer ooff peeen frum
breekeeng mun mede-a levs. Lets luuk et a foo ooff zeese-a ezeeeests
tu get et zee fects:
http://jesoosneferexeested.oorg/jne-a/furoom/index.php?tupeec=3D509.0
http://jesoosneferexeested.oorg/jne-a/furoom/index.php?tupeec=3D529.0
http://jesoosneferexeested.oorg/jne-a/furoom/index.php?tupeec=3D630.0
Unteel ezeeeests becume-a peece-a besed, zeey veell feeel et beeeng
'hoomune-a hoomuns' joost es zeeeests feeel, seence-a must zeeeests
ere-a nut oozeenteec in zeeur precteece-a und roon by feer es vell.
Teke-a cere-a,
F (Mele-a)
Egnusteec
Precteecel Pheelusupher
Footooreest
Urbun Humesteeder
Egnusteec meenister ooff secooler hoomuneesm tu zee meend munecled,
spureetooelly seeck, deffeeunce-a besed ezeeeest.
EA#2
argybargy, fishiewishie!
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28 Dec 2007 08:37:15 PM |
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On Dec 28, 7:44=A0pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
It is natural , for a human being to attribute the
more formidable traits that they themselves possess
to others by faith in that they assume themselves
to be representative of mankind . This is never true .
Each man is himself and no other . While a
singular atheist may change to a believer in God .
There is no mass exodus from atheism . Nor is
there one from any other .
Over time , mass changes may occur in a
society in its total view of things not religious or
spiritual . It has to do with the functioning of the
brain and the natural distribution of thought throughout
mankind .
Ledraychere
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29 Dec 2007 08:53:32 AM |
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On Dec 28, 9:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Ledraychere <LEDRAYCH...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 28, 7:44=EF=BF=BDpm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have much time to follow all the posts at Alt.Atheism . But
from my limited participation here it looks like Alt.Atheism has
cleaned up their act as well as their mouth some?
Have our atheists friends found religion?
Have they found the religion of humanity?
What do you think Christians and assorted theists?
Have the atheists made any progress over the last year at being more
humane humans?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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=EF=BF=BDbeing =EF=BF=BDto =EF=BF=BDattribute =EF=BF=BD the
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=EF=BF=BD they =EF=BF=BDassume =EF=BF=BDthemselves
to =EF=BF=BDbe =EF=BF=BDrepresentative =EF=BF=BDof =EF=BF=BDmankind . =EF=
=BF=BDThis =EF=BF=BDis =EF=BF=BDnever =EF=BF=BDtrue .
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Each =EF=BF=BDman =EF=BF=BD is =EF=BF=BDhims=
elf =EF=BF=BDand =EF=BF=BDno =EF=BF=BDother =EF=BF=BD. =EF=BF=BD While =EF=
=BF=BD a
singular atheist =EF=BF=BDmay =EF=BF=BDchange =EF=BF=BDto =EF=BF=BDa =EF=
=BF=BDbeliever =EF=BF=BDin God =EF=BF=BD.
There =EF=BF=BDis =EF=BF=BDno =EF=BF=BDmass =EF=BF=BDexodus =EF=BF=BD from=
=EF=BF=BDatheism =EF=BF=BD. =EF=BF=BDNor =EF=BF=BDis
there =EF=BF=BDone =EF=BF=BDfrom =EF=BF=BDany other =EF=BF=BD.
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Over =EF=BF=BDtime =EF=BF=BD, =EF=BF=BD mass=
=EF=BF=BDchanges =EF=BF=BDmay =EF=BF=BDoccur =EF=BF=BDin =EF=BF=BD a
society =EF=BF=BDin its =EF=BF=BDtotal =EF=BF=BD view =EF=BF=BDof =EF=BF=
=BDthings =EF=BF=BDnot =EF=BF=BDreligious =EF=BF=BDor
spiritual =EF=BF=BD. =EF=BF=BD It =EF=BF=BD has =EF=BF=BDto =EF=BF=BDdo =
=EF=BF=BDwith =EF=BF=BDthe functioning =EF=BF=BDof =EF=BF=BDthe
brain =EF=BF=BDand =EF=BF=BDthe =EF=BF=BDnatural =EF=BF=BDdistribution =EF=
=BF=BD of =EF=BF=BDthought =EF=BF=BD throughout
mankind =EF=BF=BD.
Ledraychere- Hide quoted text -
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Thanks for your reply.
Oh, I don't expect atheists to leave atheism. I was just wondered if
our group members became more humane atheists. And was looking for
some outside, hopefully unbiased opinions of our group.
Then again it may be because the group voted for a mass plonking of me
and I was the target of most of their hatred in past posts.
You see, they could not answer my posts other than replies filth and
hatred, so they decided rightly to stop demeaning themselves and their
cause with their replies to me.
So the mass plonking may have skewed my view, since few of them talk
to me any longer, so less hatred is pointed in my direction
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind manacled,
spiritually sick, defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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29 Dec 2007 08:11:20 PM |
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On Dec 29, 9:53=A0am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
Thunks fur yuoor reply.
Ooh, I dun't ixpect ezeeeests tu leefe-a ezeeeesm. I ves joost
vundered iff oooor gruoop members beceme-a mure-a hoomune-a ezeeeests.
Und ves luukeeng fur sume-a ooootseede-a, hupeffoolly unbeeesed
oopeeniuns ooff oooor gruoop.
Zeen egeeen it mey be-a becoose-a zee gruoop futed fur a mess
plunkeeng ooff me-a und I ves zee terget ooff must ooff zeeur hetred
in pest pusts.
Yuoo see-a, zeey cuoold nut unsver my pusts oozeer thun repleees feelt
und hetred, su zeey deceeded reeghtly tu stup demeuneeng zeemselfes
und zeeur coose-a veet zeeur repleees tu me-a.
Su zee mess plunkeeng mey hefe-a skooed my feeoo, seence-a foo ooff
zeem telk tu me-a uny lunger, su less hetred is pueented in my
durecshun
Teke-a cere-a, F (Mele-a)
Egnusteec
Precteecel Pheelusupher
Footooreest
Urbun Humesteeder
Egnusteec meenister ooff secooler hoomuneesm tu zee meend munecled,
spureetooelly seeck, deffeeunce-a besed ezeeeest.
EA#2
argybargy fishiewishie!
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28 Dec 2007 11:17:44 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:37:15 -0800 (PST), Ledraychere
<LEDRAYCHERE@gmail.com> wrote:
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It is natural , for a human being to attribute the
more formidable traits that they themselves possess
to others by faith in that they assume themselves
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Haven't you had your bloody spacebar fixed yet?
What's the problem?
Is the repairman too scared to visit such an unstable lunatic?
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29 Dec 2007 07:46:01 PM |
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On Dec 28, 7:44=A0pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I dun't hefe-a mooch teeme-a tu fulloo ell zee pusts et Elt.Ezeeeesm .
Boot frum my leemited perteecipeshun here-a it luuks leeke-a
Elt.Ezeeeesm hes cleuned up zeeur ect es vell es zeeur muoot sume-a?
Hefe-a oooor ezeeeests freeends fuoond releegiun?
Hefe-a zeey fuoond zee releegiun ooff hoomuneety?
Vhet du yuoo theenk Chreestiuns und essurted zeeeests?
Hefe-a zee ezeeeests mede-a uny prugress oofer zee lest yeer et beeeng
mure-a hoomune-a hoomuns?
Teke-a cere-a,
F (Mele-a) Egnusteec Freetheenker Precteecel Pheelusupher Footooreest
Urbun Humesteeder Egnusteec meenister ooff secooler hoomuneesm tu zee
meend munecled, spureetooelly seeck, deffeeunce-a besed ezeeeest.
EA#2
argybargie fishiewishie!
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29 Dec 2007 08:27:57 PM |
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<vee.e@live.com> wrote in message
news:471199c6-869a-43c8-8ca5-a286a0db6a54@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I dun't hefe-a mooch teeme-a tu fulloo ell zee pusts et Elt.Ezeeeesm .
Um, whatever.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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29 Dec 2007 08:36:36 PM |
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On Dec 29, 9:27=A0pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
<ve...@live.com> wrote in message
news:471199c6-869a-43c8-8ca5-a286a0db6a54@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I dun't hefe-a mooch teeme-a tu fulloo ell zee pusts et Elt.Ezeeeesm .
Um, whatever.
http://farm.tucows.com/2004/12/swedish_chef.jpg
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Dec 2007 10:14:20 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:27:57 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<vee.e@live.com> wrote in message
news:471199c6-869a-43c8-8ca5-a286a0db6a54@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 7:44 pm, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
I dun't hefe-a mooch teeme-a tu fulloo ell zee pusts et Elt.Ezeeeesm .
Um, whatever.
Hell, it makes more sense than anything that "V" has spewed.
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