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| User: |
"Gary Childress" |
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07 Sep 2004 08:21:35 PM |
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Laying Hold of Splinters |
"Everything has two handles, the one by which it may be borne, the other by
which it may not. If your brother acts unjustly, do not lay hold of the act by
that handle wherein he acts unjustly, for this is the handle which cannot be
borne; but lay hold of the other, that he is your brother, that he was nurtured
with you, and you will lay hold of the thing by that handle by which it can be
borne." (Epictetus, Enchiridion, XLIII, trans. Goerge Long)
This sounds like a twist of Jesus' "Do not offer to remove the splinter from
the eye of another until you have removed the log from your own eye." In my
mind, this means something along the lines of don't beat a person over the head
on account of his or her being someone who beats others over the head. Or,
don't try to extract a sore tooth with a jack-hammer--on there being a right
way and a wrong way to correct errors. That's the way I've always interpreted
such sayings, maybe I'm way off on that.
Gary the Philologizer
Single, white, male, receptionist, 37 years old, former university philosophy
major, no degree, hedonist, addicted to computer games, mentally ill but stable
on meds, living with parents in the state of Florida USA.
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| User: "BretCahill" |
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| Title: Sucking Hind Teat |
07 Sep 2004 08:47:40 PM |
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Any idea of the age and origin of THAT cliche?
I may use it in a legal filing or oral argument.
"Your Honor, I've been sucking hind teat . . ."
Bret Cahill
philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040907212135.21100.00000292@mb-m07.aol.com> writes:
"Everything has two handles, the one by which it may be borne, the other by
which it may not. If your brother acts unjustly, do not lay hold of the act
by
that handle wherein he acts unjustly, for this is the handle which cannot be
borne; but lay hold of the other, that he is your brother, that he was
nurtured
with you, and you will lay hold of the thing by that handle by which it can
be
borne." (Epictetus, Enchiridion, XLIII, trans. Goerge Long)
This sounds like a twist of Jesus' "Do not offer to remove the splinter from
the eye of another until you have removed the log from your own eye." In my
mind, this means something along the lines of don't beat a person over the
head
on account of his or her being someone who beats others over the head. Or,
don't try to extract a sore tooth with a jack-hammer--on there being a right
way and a wrong way to correct errors. That's the way I've always
interpreted
such sayings, maybe I'm way off on that.
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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| User: "Stranger" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
07 Sep 2004 09:10:56 PM |
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"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040907214740.03602.00000362@mb-m04.aol.com...
Any idea of the age and origin of THAT cliche?
I may use it in a legal filing or oral argument.
"Your Honor, I've been sucking hind teat . . ."
Has to be hundreds of years old. Was a common explanation
for runts. They were pushed to the back where the little extra teats
could be sucked but gave no milk. A good analogy for
trickledown economics.
Bret Cahill
philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040907212135.21100.00000292@mb-m07.aol.com> writes:
"Everything has two handles, the one by which it may be borne, the other
by
which it may not. If your brother acts unjustly, do not lay hold of the
act
by
that handle wherein he acts unjustly, for this is the handle which cannot
be
borne; but lay hold of the other, that he is your brother, that he was
nurtured
with you, and you will lay hold of the thing by that handle by which it
can
be
borne." (Epictetus, Enchiridion, XLIII, trans. Goerge Long)
This sounds like a twist of Jesus' "Do not offer to remove the splinter
from
the eye of another until you have removed the log from your own eye." In
my
mind, this means something along the lines of don't beat a person over the
head
on account of his or her being someone who beats others over the head.
Or,
don't try to extract a sore tooth with a jack-hammer--on there being a
right
way and a wrong way to correct errors. That's the way I've always
interpreted
such sayings, maybe I'm way off on that.
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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| User: "ShrikeBack" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
08 Sep 2004 04:30:41 AM |
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(BretCahill) wrote in message news:<20040907214740.03602.00000362@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Any idea of the age and origin of THAT cliche?
Monica Lewinski.
I may use it in a legal filing or oral argument.
Oral argument? Heh. You're such a card.
"Your Honor, I've been sucking hind teat . . ."
Don't get sexually explicit in my courtroom!
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
Heh.
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| User: "BretCahill" |
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| Title: Is Cultural Flattening of U. S. Bottom Feeders Irreversible? |
09 Sep 2004 04:40:31 PM |
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(ShrikeBack) in
Message-id: <59b8bc96.0409080130.72190a9f@posting.google.com> writes:
bretcahill@aol.com (BretCahill) wrote in message
news:<20040907214740.03602.00000362@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Any idea of the age and origin of THAT cliche?
Monica Lewinski.
I may use it in a legal filing or oral argument.
Oral argument? Heh. You're such a card.
"Your Honor, I've been sucking hind teat . . ."
Don't get sexually explicit in my courtroom!
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
Heh.
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| User: "ShrikeBack" |
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| Title: Re: Is Cultural Flattening of U. S. Bottom Feeders Irreversible? |
10 Sep 2004 07:52:04 AM |
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(BretCahill) wrote in message news:<20040909174031.22406.00000423@mb-m01.aol.com>...
hewpiedawg@hotmail.com (ShrikeBack) in
Message-id: <59b8bc96.0409080130.72190a9f@posting.google.com> writes:
(BretCahill) wrote in message
news:<20040907214740.03602.00000362@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Any idea of the age and origin of THAT cliche?
Monica Lewinski.
I may use it in a legal filing or oral argument.
Oral argument? Heh. You're such a card.
"Your Honor, I've been sucking hind teat . . ."
Don't get sexually explicit in my courtroom!> >
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
Heh. (and I did mean "Heh")
I don't know about the cultural flattening of your bottom,
Bret, but I do know a loon when I see one.
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| User: "BretCahill" |
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| Title: Re: Is Cultural Flattening of U. S. Bottom Feeders Irreversible? |
10 Sep 2004 04:34:26 PM |
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Nobel Laureates vote for Kerry.
Creationists vote for AwOL Bush.
Question: How dumb do you have to be to
NOT understand who is the idiots' choice?
Bret Cahill
hewpiedawg@hotmail.com (ShrikeBack) in
Message-id: <59b8bc96.0409100452.153ae214@posting.google.com> writes:
.. . .
I don't know about the cultural flattening
That's because you think you are too good for
exciting Hollywood action movies about good
guys shooting bad guys.
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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| User: "ShrikeBack" |
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| Title: Re: Is Cultural Flattening of U. S. Bottom Feeders Irreversible? |
12 Sep 2004 11:58:11 AM |
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(BretCahill) wrote in message news:<20040910173426.25434.00000411@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Nobel Laureates vote for Kerry.
Creationists vote for AwOL Bush.
Question: How dumb do you have to be to
NOT understand who is the idiots' choice?
But since we know you are an idiot, with a different
brand of creationism for sale, and we know which side
you are on, there is a problem with your analysis.
hewpiedawg@hotmail.com (ShrikeBack) in
Message-id: <59b8bc96.0409100452.153ae214@posting.google.com> writes:
. . .
I don't know about the cultural flattening
That's because you think you are too good for
exciting Hollywood action movies about good
guys shooting bad guys.
Somehow that didn't make any sense to me. Care to try
again?
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| User: "BretCahill" |
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| Title: Re: Is Cultural Flattening of U. S. Bottom Feeders Irreversible? |
13 Sep 2004 02:07:36 AM |
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(ShrikeBack) in
Message-id: <59b8bc96.0409120858.6d576fde@posting.google.com> writes:
bretcahill@aol.com (BretCahill) wrote in message
news:<20040910173426.25434.00000411@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Nobel Laureates vote for Kerry.
Creationists vote for AwOL Bush.
Question: How dumb do you have to be to
NOT understand who is the idiots' choice?
But since we know
You don't even know how to git your $5.00 back
from your web degree.
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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| User: "ShrikeBack" |
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| Title: Re: Is Cultural Flattening of U. S. Bottom Feeders Irreversible? |
13 Sep 2004 02:19:18 PM |
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(BretCahill) wrote in message news:<20040913030736.26483.00000800@mb-m07.aol.com>...
hewpiedawg@hotmail.com (ShrikeBack) in
Message-id: <59b8bc96.0409120858.6d576fde@posting.google.com> writes:
(BretCahill) wrote in message
news:<20040910173426.25434.00000411@mb-m04.aol.com>...
But since we know
You don't even know how to git your $5.00 back
from your web degree.
You don't even know how to engage in repartee that sticks.
You miss your target so often, it's a wonder you even try
anymore.
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| User: "Gary Childress" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
08 Sep 2004 06:05:15 PM |
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philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040907212135.21100.00000292@mb-m07.aol.com> writes:
"Everything has two handles, the one by which it may be borne, the other by
which it may not. If your brother acts unjustly, do not lay hold of the act
by
that handle wherein he acts unjustly, for this is the handle which cannot be
borne; but lay hold of the other, that he is your brother, that he was
nurtured
with you, and you will lay hold of the thing by that handle by which it can
be
borne." (Epictetus, Enchiridion, XLIII, trans. Goerge Long)
This sounds like a twist of Jesus' "Do not offer to remove the splinter from
the eye of another until you have removed the log from your own eye." In my
mind, this means something along the lines of don't beat a person over the
head
on account of his or her being someone who beats others over the head. Or,
don't try to extract a sore tooth with a jack-hammer--on there being a right
way and a wrong way to correct errors. That's the way I've always
interpreted
such sayings, maybe I'm way off on that.
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
Bret Cahill
"It seemed so to him..."
Gary the Philologizer
Single, white, male, receptionist, 37 years old, former university philosophy
major, no degree, hedonist, addicted to computer games, mentally ill but stable
on meds, living with parents in the state of Florida USA.
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| User: "BretCahill" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
08 Sep 2004 10:47:16 PM |
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philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040908190515.08741.00000310@mb-m13.aol.com> writes:
philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040907212135.21100.00000292@mb-m07.aol.com> writes:
"Everything has two handles, the one by which it may be borne, the other by
which it may not. If your brother acts unjustly, do not lay hold of the
act
by
that handle wherein he acts unjustly, for this is the handle which cannot
be
borne; but lay hold of the other, that he is your brother, that he was
nurtured
with you, and you will lay hold of the thing by that handle by which it can
be
borne." (Epictetus, Enchiridion, XLIII, trans. Goerge Long)
This sounds like a twist of Jesus' "Do not offer to remove the splinter
from
the eye of another until you have removed the log from your own eye." In
my
mind, this means something along the lines of don't beat a person over the
head
on account of his or her being someone who beats others over the head. Or,
don't try to extract a sore tooth with a jack-hammer--on there being a
right
way and a wrong way to correct errors. That's the way I've always
interpreted
such sayings, maybe I'm way off on that.
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
"It seemed so to him..."
We need to start enacting STANDARDS.
I plan to clean this newsgroup up!
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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| User: "Stranger" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
08 Sep 2004 11:09:25 PM |
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"BretCahill" <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040908234716.07779.00000238@mb-m25.aol.com...
philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040908190515.08741.00000310@mb-m13.aol.com> writes:
philologizer@aol.comNOSPAM (Gary Childress) in
Message-id: <20040907212135.21100.00000292@mb-m07.aol.com> writes:
"Everything has two handles, the one by which it may be borne, the other
by
which it may not. If your brother acts unjustly, do not lay hold of the
act
by
that handle wherein he acts unjustly, for this is the handle which
cannot
be
borne; but lay hold of the other, that he is your brother, that he was
nurtured
with you, and you will lay hold of the thing by that handle by which it
can
be
borne." (Epictetus, Enchiridion, XLIII, trans. Goerge Long)
This sounds like a twist of Jesus' "Do not offer to remove the splinter
from
the eye of another until you have removed the log from your own eye."
In
my
mind, this means something along the lines of don't beat a person over
the
head
on account of his or her being someone who beats others over the head.
Or,
don't try to extract a sore tooth with a jack-hammer--on there being a
right
way and a wrong way to correct errors. That's the way I've always
interpreted
such sayings, maybe I'm way off on that.
You just don't have the rigor and discipline to
be a philosopher.
"It seemed so to him..."
We need to start enacting STANDARDS.
Biblical standards? Like award a contract for Jesus?
I plan to clean this newsgroup up!
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
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| User: "Gary Childress" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
09 Sep 2004 03:09:46 AM |
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"Stranger" wrote:
Biblical standards? Like award a contract for Jesus?
Biblical standards would be no good, especially if Jesus is involved in the
take.
Gary the Philologizer
Single, white, male, receptionist, 37 years old, former university philosophy
major, no degree, hedonist, addicted to computer games, mentally ill but stable
on meds, living with parents in the state of Florida USA.
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| User: "Gary Childress" |
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| Title: Re: Sucking Hind Teat |
09 Sep 2004 03:06:43 AM |
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We need to start enacting STANDARDS.
I plan to clean this newsgroup up!
Bret Cahill
You're right! I should be the first to go! Non philosophers out first!
Gary the Philologizer
Single, white, male, receptionist, 37 years old, former university philosophy
major, no degree, hedonist, addicted to computer games, mentally ill but stable
on meds, living with parents in the state of Florida USA.
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