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29 Dec 2005 07:49:37 AM |
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Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 11:36:52 AM |
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
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| User: "Tim" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 08:55:18 AM |
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Death. Don't you worry mate; you'll see - we'll all see!
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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29 Dec 2005 10:17:14 AM |
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"Tim" <qwery@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Death. Don't you worry mate; you'll see - we'll all see!
One of the ultimate illusions.
If you're not ready to see now, what makes you believe you will see "in the
future".
Now is now. Part of the ultimate truth.
It is only when this is acknowledged, that the mystery starts to unfold.
BOfL
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| User: "Tim" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:32:06 AM |
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Tim" <qwery@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Death. Don't you worry mate; you'll see - we'll all see!
One of the ultimate illusions.
What's illusory about death?
If you're not ready to see now, what makes you believe you will see "in
the future".
See what exactly - the magic pixy light at the end of the tunnel - come now,
that's just yer brain making its last stand - lights out, ha ha.
Now is now. Part of the ultimate truth.
That's deep - I guess. Death is death. That's deep too - I guess.
It is only when this is acknowledged, that the mystery starts to unfold.
What mystery? The one on CSI where they solve the whole case with a couple
of flashlights (that's torches to all my friends in Engalnd and Oz perhaps)?
BOfL
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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29 Dec 2005 07:06:31 PM |
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"Tim" <qwery@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Death. Don't you worry mate; you'll see - we'll all see!
One of the ultimate illusions.
What's illusory about death?
If you're not ready to see now, what makes you believe you will see "in
the future".
See what exactly - the magic pixy light at the end of the tunnel - come
now, that's just yer brain making its last stand - lights out, ha ha.
Now is now. Part of the ultimate truth.
That's deep - I guess. Death is death. That's deep too - I guess.
It is only when this is acknowledged, that the mystery starts to unfold.
What mystery? The one on CSI where they solve the whole case with a couple
of flashlights (that's torches to all my friends in Engalnd and Oz
perhaps)?
BOfL
I guess you will just have to keep guessing.
Not as deep as you think.
BOfL
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| User: "Tim" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
30 Dec 2005 02:56:46 AM |
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"Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Death. Don't you worry mate; you'll see - we'll all see!
One of the ultimate illusions.
What's illusory about death?
If you're not ready to see now, what makes you believe you will see "in
the future".
See what exactly - the magic pixy light at the end of the tunnel - come
now, that's just yer brain making its last stand - lights out, ha ha.
Now is now. Part of the ultimate truth.
That's deep - I guess. Death is death. That's deep too - I guess.
It is only when this is acknowledged, that the mystery starts to unfold.
What mystery? The one on CSI where they solve the whole case with a
couple of flashlights (that's torches to all my friends in Engalnd and Oz
perhaps)?
BOfL
I guess you will just have to keep guessing.
Not as deep as you think.
BOfL
Never said it was deep. Guessing proves that there is no mystery - proves
that this 'mystery' is just a game we play with ourselves as we wait out
death.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
31 Dec 2005 08:56:51 PM |
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Not the biological death, the belief that illumination (or call it what
you will) will only come then.
Brain making its last stand?
Getting confused with Custer I believe :-)
BOfL
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| User: "Ike" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:31:37 PM |
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
I can't figure out what it would be like.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 04:28:26 PM |
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1135864177.230975.295400
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Truth is in the mind of the beholder.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Dutch" |
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29 Dec 2005 04:30:47 PM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Truth is in the mind of the beholder.
Beauty is in the mind of the beer-holder.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 07:08:10 PM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote in
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What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
Truth is in the mind of the beholder.
Beauty is in the mind of the beer-holder.
You mean we should worship the barrel.
Sounds like shades of Monty Python.
BOfL
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| User: "Explainer" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 08:41:44 AM |
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1 + 1 = 2
true XOR true = false
These are truths. You didn't really provide
a context, so it's impossible to work with
"ultimate".
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| User: "explainer" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 02:35:28 PM |
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Explainer with an "E" was formerly Viator who changed their handle to
mine on December 29.
All the best, Gordon Hill
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| User: "explainer" |
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29 Dec 2005 02:29:29 PM |
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Please note that I, explainer with an "e", am not a party to
explanations by Explainer with an "E".
This does not mean I disavow what Explainer says, expecially if it's
good stuff, but is offered as clarification.
All the best, Gordon Hill
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| User: "Viator" |
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29 Dec 2005 04:17:01 PM |
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Hopefully I am now Viator again, if
the google groups bug doesn't crop up again.
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| User: "explainer" |
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29 Dec 2005 04:55:55 PM |
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Not a problem. I was afraid you would be mistaken for me and that
could be harmful to your psycho-spiritual well being.
All the best, Gordon Hill
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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29 Dec 2005 01:00:55 PM |
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Abhi wrote:
What is the ultimate truth? Does it exist at all?
If this ultimate truth idea is a hypothesis, what would differentiate
it from other hypothesis?
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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29 Dec 2005 08:01:30 AM |
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On 29 Dec 2005 05:49:37 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote:
What is the ultimate truth?
The situation (reality) is analogous to a painting (including our subjective
experiences, such as qualia, now).
Does it exist at all?
Yes, as a "hyper truth".
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
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Phrase of the week :
"Happy New Year"
-- Me, 2005
:-))))Snort!)
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| User: "Abhi" |
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29 Dec 2005 08:35:42 AM |
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Sir Frederick wrote:
On 29 Dec 2005 05:49:37 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote:
What is the ultimate truth?
The situation (reality) is analogous to a painting (including our subjective
experiences, such as qualia, now).
Does it exist at all?
Yes, as a "hyper truth".
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If someone understand what you have written, I will be glad to know
ultimate truth and how it is going to improve quality of life.
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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29 Dec 2005 09:42:14 AM |
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On 29 Dec 2005 06:35:42 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sir Frederick wrote:
On 29 Dec 2005 05:49:37 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote:
What is the ultimate truth?
The situation (reality) is analogous to a painting (including our subjective
experiences, such as qualia, now).
Does it exist at all?
Yes, as a "hyper truth".
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If someone understand what you have written, I will be glad to know
ultimate truth and how it is going to improve quality of life.
I, also, would like to know how it is going to improve quality of life.
BTW what do you mean by "how it is going to improve quality of life"?
Also, what do you mean by "quality of life"?
Also, what do you mean by "life"?
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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29 Dec 2005 09:10:58 AM |
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Sir Frederick wrote:
On 29 Dec 2005 05:49:37 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote:
What is the ultimate truth?
The situation (reality) is analogous to a painting (including our subjective
experiences, such as qualia, now).
Does it exist at all?
Yes, as a "hyper truth".
Wouldn't that be 'meta truth'?
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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29 Dec 2005 09:47:00 AM |
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On 29 Dec 2005 07:10:58 -0800, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sir Frederick wrote:
On 29 Dec 2005 05:49:37 -0800, "Abhi" <Abhijit_B_Patil@hotmail.com> wrote:
What is the ultimate truth?
The situation (reality) is analogous to a painting (including our subjective
experiences, such as qualia, now).
Does it exist at all?
Yes, as a "hyper truth".
Wouldn't that be 'meta truth'?
To me 'meta' means beyond but still possibly understandable by
humans, whereas 'hyper' (in this case) means beyond and no chance
of understanding (even by analogy).
--
Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
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Phrase of the week :
"Happy New Year"
-- Me, 2005
:-))))Snort!)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Most useless thoughts of human history: 04 |
29 Dec 2005 11:13:03 AM |
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Quoting from Dean Koontz's book THE FACE "He taught them that
whether a piece of writing is a novel or a law, each person is rhe sole
arbiter of what the writing says and what it means, that all truth is
relative, that all moral principles are fraudulent interpretations of
religious and philosophical texts that actually have no meaning other
than what each person WANTS them to mean.
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| User: "" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:13:07 AM |
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Quoting from Dean Koontz's book THE FACE "He taught them that
whether a piece of writing is a novel or a law, each person is rhe sole
arbiter of what the writing says and what it means, that all truth is
relative, that all moral principles are fraudulent interpretations of
religious and philosophical texts that actually have no meaning other
than what each person WANTS them to mean.
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