Words are used here like eternity, universe, space - but they are just
words.
I can put on a music CD and with pure sound can hear what these words sound
like to me.
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
It is extraordinary how electronic sound can conjure up feelings - far more
so than mere words.
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07 Dec 2006 05:09:53 AM |
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Kan wrote:
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
Sounds more like the perfect description of what's between a Kantian's
ears.
MG
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07 Dec 2006 05:23:12 AM |
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<mikegordge@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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Kan wrote:
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
Sounds more like the perfect description of what's between a Kantian's
ears.
Grandeur is like the wonder of the Grand Canyon - an expansive dawn - low
settling mist amongst the mountains.
You must think highly of Kantians!
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07 Dec 2006 09:51:53 AM |
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Kan wrote:
<mikegordge@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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Kan wrote:
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
Sounds more like the perfect description of what's between a Kantian's
ears.
Grandeur is like the wonder of the Grand Canyon - an expansive dawn - low
settling mist amongst the mountains.
You must think highly of Kantians!
If you Kantians feel or gain any sense of comfort having a *grandeur*
of nothingness between your ears knock then yourself out Kan.
MG
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| User: "Wanker" |
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07 Dec 2006 10:23:50 AM |
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wrote:
Kan wrote:
< > wrote in message
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Kan wrote:
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
Sounds more like the perfect description of what's between a Kantian's
ears.
Grandeur is like the wonder of the Grand Canyon - an expansive dawn - low
settling mist amongst the mountains.
You must think highly of Kantians!
If you Kantians feel or gain any sense of comfort having a *grandeur*
of nothingness between your ears knock then yourself out Kan.
MG
There's nothing quite like the grandeur of the spaces between the stars
.... ah! To drift forever on the wings of the noumenous.
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| User: "Wanker" |
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07 Dec 2006 05:17:08 AM |
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Kan wrote:
Words are used here like eternity, universe, space - but they are just
words.
I can put on a music CD and with pure sound can hear what these words sound
like to me.
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
It is extraordinary how electronic sound can conjure up feelings - far more
so than mere words.
True, but it only works like that by convention. Most modern electronic
music would have most likely conjured feelings of revulsion and an
uncontrollable urge to stuff fingers in ears to most people from the
17th century, for instance.
To me words sound just like words, but - and here's an interesting
halfway-house case - if I listen to a language I don't understand it
doesn't sound so much like music as a babble of voices.
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| User: "Kan" |
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07 Dec 2006 05:23:12 AM |
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"Wanker" <simonharpham@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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True, but it only works like that by convention. Most modern electronic
music would have most likely conjured feelings of revulsion and an
uncontrollable urge to stuff fingers in ears to most people from the
17th century, for instance.
And the same would apply in reverse - have you ever heard Montiverdi or
people of that ilk played on the genuine instruments of the day? It is
atrocious!
A lot of kids music does that to adults these days - perhaps the word music
is too general - I mean who on earth can enjoy rap?
To me words sound just like words, but - and here's an interesting
halfway-house case - if I listen to a language I don't understand it
doesn't sound so much like music as a babble of voices.
Some languages are more beautiful than others - I find French a lovely
language to listen to.
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07 Dec 2006 06:01:20 AM |
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And the same would apply in reverse - have you ever heard Montiverdi or
people of that ilk played on the genuine instruments of the day? It is
atrocious!
A lot of kids music does that to adults these days - perhaps the word music
is too general - I mean who on earth can enjoy rap?
hehe ***** man, I'm almost 40 and I love rap!
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| User: "Kan" |
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07 Dec 2006 06:43:36 AM |
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<lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote in message
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And the same would apply in reverse - have you ever heard Montiverdi or
people of that ilk played on the genuine instruments of the day? It is
atrocious!
A lot of kids music does that to adults these days - perhaps the word
music
is too general - I mean who on earth can enjoy rap?
hehe ***** man, I'm almost 40 and I love rap!
Ugh.
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| User: "chazwin" |
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07 Dec 2006 11:38:30 AM |
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Kan wrote:
<lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote in message
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And the same would apply in reverse - have you ever heard Montiverdi or
people of that ilk played on the genuine instruments of the day? It is
atrocious!
A lot of kids music does that to adults these days - perhaps the word
music
is too general - I mean who on earth can enjoy rap?
hehe ***** man, I'm almost 40 and I love rap!
Ugh.
I don't know if you have seen the film "Crash". It is probably the most
significant film containing social comment for a long time. It deals
with race, religion, social exclusion.
In it a black man chides his brother for listening to "rap" as, he says
he is participating in his own expoitation.
This is something that I have thought for a long time. The attitude,
the lyrics and the swearing are allowed to flourish in a white
dominated music industry because they confirm the lies and negative
attitude held by white people against blacks. Blacks are thus
reinforcing the racial stereotyping that best suits white anti-black
propoganda: young black males are dangerous, unlawful and bad tempered.
I hate rap.
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| User: "" |
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07 Dec 2006 11:49:39 AM |
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I don't know if you have seen the film "Crash". It is probably the most
significant film containing social comment for a long time. It deals
with race, religion, social exclusion.
In it a black man chides his brother for listening to "rap" as, he says
he is participating in his own expoitation.
This is something that I have thought for a long time. The attitude,
the lyrics and the swearing are allowed to flourish in a white
dominated music industry because they confirm the lies and negative
attitude held by white people against blacks. Blacks are thus
reinforcing the racial stereotyping that best suits white anti-black
propoganda: young black males are dangerous, unlawful and bad tempered.
I hate rap.
Hey Chaz,
I don't belive that to be true, not for a second. I don't belive that
to be true of black people, no black youth. The area that I live is
predominatly black, and what I see everyday does not conform to what
you say of the film above.
Remember also that it is a film, a bit of fiction, and a piece of art.
As it is art then as part of the artisic process the artist(the writer)
has given a part of himsel or her self to the project.
What you are talking about therefore is the subjective notion of one
man or woman. I don't think it rings true at all.
As to white dominated music indestry that is just not correct at all.
The music indestry is really is dominated by the music of the youth,
and the music of the youth is predominatly black or has it's origines
in black musicians and music.
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| User: "Wanker" |
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07 Dec 2006 07:29:37 AM |
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Kan wrote:
"Wanker" <simonharpham@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1165490228.604508.264440@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
True, but it only works like that by convention. Most modern electronic
music would have most likely conjured feelings of revulsion and an
uncontrollable urge to stuff fingers in ears to most people from the
17th century, for instance.
And the same would apply in reverse - have you ever heard Montiverdi or
people of that ilk played on the genuine instruments of the day? It is
atrocious!
I quite like that kind of stuff, in particular organ music played on
authentic period organs. I agree that the tuning of instruments in the
17th-19th centuries was somewhat different to modern ET tunings but
atonal music doesn't really sound that 'nice' either if you're not used
to it. I guess I find it interesting to hear how others heard the music
at the time (well, as near as I can - one can never quite get rid of
one's first learnings in music).
A lot of kids music does that to adults these days - perhaps the word music
is too general - I mean who on earth can enjoy rap?
Me, actually! (Sorry, I'm not trying to be contrary - I guess we have
quite different musical tastes). Although I confess I'm not an enormous
fan of rap in general (I couldn't tell you much about 'the scene', for
example) I've got a few 'necessay' albums (people like Public Enemy,
Dr. Dre, NWA, and, latterly, Outkast) and quite enjoy listening to them
now and again.
To me words sound just like words, but - and here's an interesting
halfway-house case - if I listen to a language I don't understand it
doesn't sound so much like music as a babble of voices.
Some languages are more beautiful than others - I find French a lovely
language to listen to.
Me too, oddly enough. I like the sounds of Greek, Italian and Russian
too (for different reasons), but I'm none too keen on Latin
(ironically) or German - they always sound a bit 'forced' to me.
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08 Dec 2006 01:02:47 AM |
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On Dec 7, 4:23 am, "Kan" <k...@homeworld.com> wrote:
"Wanker" <simonharp...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1165490228.604508.264440@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
True, but it only works like that by convention. Most modern electronic
music would have most likely conjured feelings of revulsion and an
uncontrollable urge to stuff fingers in ears to most people from the
17th century, for instance.And the same would apply in reverse - have you ever heard Montiverdi or
people of that ilk played on the genuine instruments of the day? It is
atrocious!
A lot of kids music does that to adults these days - perhaps the word music
is too general - I mean who on earth can enjoy rap?
To me words sound just like words, but - and here's an interesting
halfway-house case - if I listen to a language I don't understand it
doesn't sound so much like music as a babble of voices.Some languages are more beautiful than others - I find French a lovely
language to listen to.
Agree. Is it any wonder French is the international language of
diplomacy?
W : )
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| User: "" |
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07 Dec 2006 04:58:24 AM |
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Kan wrote:
Words are used here like eternity, universe, space - but they are just
words.
I can put on a music CD and with pure sound can hear what these words sound
like to me.
I can envisage endless space - distance - grandeur - vastness.
It is extraordinary how electronic sound can conjure up feelings - far more
so than mere words.
Words can do the same though, when you read a great piece of fiction,
and you find that the unspoken words are what give you this feeling.
You know what I mean, the words beneath, and between, and threaded
through. The play of language that lets you know what it means with
out actualy saying it. Ahh the skill of the authour.
This is just art, pure and simple, and art in all of it's medium does
the same thing. It touches an inner nerve, a pulse within you that is
not easily explainable, yet does exist, and is a valid thing.
I like blues music, and SKA music, and it took me a fair few years to
work out why.
I like blues simply because the sound of the blues guitar touches this
nerve, and i like SKA because the sound of the trumpet does the same.
Now ask me why I like the sound if these instuments played in these
particular styles, and I'll have to say, hehe ***** man I don't know, I
just know that I do.
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| User: "Kan" |
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07 Dec 2006 05:20:41 AM |
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<lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote in message
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Words can do the same though, when you read a great piece of fiction,
and you find that the unspoken words are what give you this feeling.
You know what I mean, the words beneath, and between, and threaded
through. The play of language that lets you know what it means with
out actualy saying it. Ahh the skill of the authour.
This is just art, pure and simple, and art in all of it's medium does
the same thing. It touches an inner nerve, a pulse within you that is
not easily explainable, yet does exist, and is a valid thing.
I like blues music, and SKA music, and it took me a fair few years to
work out why.
I like blues simply because the sound of the blues guitar touches this
nerve, and i like SKA because the sound of the trumpet does the same.
Now ask me why I like the sound if these instuments played in these
particular styles, and I'll have to say, hehe ***** man I don't know, I
just know that I do.
What is SKA music?
You find literature as moving and expressive as music?
And yet all the time people say "there are no words that could
describe................."
But these things that no words can describe in words - can more likely be
expressed in music.
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07 Dec 2006 05:54:46 AM |
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What is SKA music?
You find literature as moving and expressive as music?
And yet all the time people say "there are no words that could
describe................."
But these things that no words can describe in words - can more likely be
expressed in music.
SKA is the predesesour of Reggea it evolved into rock steady and from
there into reggea. During the 80's here in the UK we underwent a ska
revival, with the two tone record label and such bands as Maddness, The
Selector, The Beat, and perhaps most famously The Specials. If you
have heard any of them, then that is ska(of sorts)
Most assuredly I find litrature as moving and as expressive as music,
do you not?
Heh people say a lot of things without thinking what they truely mean
by them. Platitudes, cliche's, and 'hoary old chestnuts' are trotted
out with any thought as to what we actualy mean to say by them all the
time.
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| User: "Kan" |
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07 Dec 2006 06:11:49 AM |
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<lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote in message
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Most assuredly I find litrature as moving and as expressive as music,
do you not?
I do find literature moving - but not as much as music.
You can say words like "sadness" or "beauty" but I do not think you could
find the words in literature to describe this kind of feeling as well as
Mahler 9 - Slow movement or Wagner "Liebestod" (instrumental).
Or to personify the coming into awareness of the hippy generation say as
well as Tangerine Dream.
Or to inspire on the level of Enigma.
Reading literature does not somehow make me want to get up and move and
dance and sing the chants of the Native American.
Heh people say a lot of things without thinking what they truely mean
by them. Platitudes, cliche's, and 'hoary old chestnuts' are trotted
out with any thought as to what we actualy mean to say by them all the
time.
No I gave this a lot of thought when I said it.
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07 Dec 2006 07:08:25 AM |
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Hey Kan,
No I gave this a lot of thought when I said it.
Heh I'm sure you did. But we where not talking about you, rather
everybody is guilty of this, myslef included.
I do find literature moving - but not as much as music.
You can say words like "sadness" or "beauty" but I do not think you could
find the words in literature to describe this kind of feeling as well as
Mahler 9 - Slow movement or Wagner "Liebestod" (instrumental).
Or to personify the coming into awareness of the hippy generation say as
well as Tangerine Dream.
Or to inspire on the level of Enigma.
Reading literature does not somehow make me want to get up and move and
dance and sing the chants of the Native American.
Yep yep I get your point, I very much subscribe to what I call 'music
for moods'. That is I offten choose what to listen to based on
changing or enhancing the mood that I'm in.
Perhaps you did not get mine though? I talk about that 'reading
beetween the lines'. Have you for example ever read Mary Shelly's
Frankenstien?
Nowhere in that superb piece of litrature does she directly ask the
question 'What is it to be human?' but you see it, you feel it, you
know that it is very much at the heart of the book.
Or E A Pole's poem The Raven, ohhh it gives me goosebumps just thinking
about it, the sense of lonlyness, and despair, that you get not from
him actualy using either of these words, but by the mental image he
paints with the words he does choose to use.
Music, Sculpture, Painting, and indeed Litrature, all make use of the
imagination to cunjure up meanings and indeed feelings that on the
surface may not appear to be their.
I'm glad that music does this to you, and only a little saddend that
you don't seem to get the same effect from the written word. Heh but
as I say 'horses for courses mate'
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| User: "Kan" |
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07 Dec 2006 02:09:49 PM |
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<lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote in message
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Yep yep I get your point, I very much subscribe to what I call 'music
for moods'. That is I offten choose what to listen to based on
changing or enhancing the mood that I'm in.
Perhaps you did not get mine though? I talk about that 'reading
beetween the lines'. Have you for example ever read Mary Shelly's
Frankenstien?
Nowhere in that superb piece of litrature does she directly ask the
question 'What is it to be human?' but you see it, you feel it, you
know that it is very much at the heart of the book.
Or E A Pole's poem The Raven, ohhh it gives me goosebumps just thinking
about it, the sense of lonlyness, and despair, that you get not from
him actualy using either of these words, but by the mental image he
paints with the words he does choose to use.
Music, Sculpture, Painting, and indeed Litrature, all make use of the
imagination to cunjure up meanings and indeed feelings that on the
surface may not appear to be their.
I'm glad that music does this to you, and only a little saddend that
you don't seem to get the same effect from the written word. Heh but
as I say 'horses for courses mate'
I am not saying literature does nothing for me - I am often very moved and
indeed influenced by words I have read.
Have you heard Alan Parson's Project - "Tales of Mystery and Imagination" -
Edgar Allen Poe?
The second track on this is based on The Raven.
I do know what you mean by how you feel when you do read literature that you
can identify with - but music paints those feelings - sometimes in a way
that is too much to bear - as you hear the extent of loneliness and sadness
in others.
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