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"andy-k" |
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12 Jul 2005 01:52:48 PM |
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Nietzschean roots for Wittgenstein? |
"Language depends on the most naive prejudices. Now we read disharmonies and
problems into things because we think only in the form of language -- and
thus believe in the 'eternal truth' of 'reason' (e.g., subject, attribute,
etc.) We cease to think when we refuse to do so under the constraint of
language; we barely reach the doubt that sees this limitation as a
limitation. Rational thought is interpretation according to a scheme that we
cannot throw off."
The Will to Power, §522
"A philosophical mythology lies concealed in language which breaks out again
every moment, however careful one may be otherwise."
The Wanderer and His Shadow, §11
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| User: "Tron" |
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| Title: Re: Nietzschean roots for Wittgenstein? |
13 Jul 2005 04:38:05 PM |
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"andy-k" <spam.free@last> skrev i melding
news:4kUAe.829$si5.118@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
W was certainly well read in Schopenhauer, and given the intellectual
climate of the larger Gründerzeit Germany, it would be exceptional if he
hadn't also read Nietzsche, his disciple whose fame peaked at the age
where W would have unfolded his intellectual curiosity.
Perhaps W didn't read the one you are referring to ("WZM"), however, at
least not in the textcritical version that came much later than N's
sister's intellectual corruption.
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Nietzschean roots for Wittgenstein? |
12 Jul 2005 02:24:54 PM |
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"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote in message
news:4kUAe.829$si5.118@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
"Language depends on the most naive prejudices. Now we read disharmonies
and
problems into things because we think only in the form of language -- and
thus believe in the 'eternal truth' of 'reason' (e.g., subject, attribute,
etc.) We cease to think when we refuse to do so under the constraint of
language; we barely reach the doubt that sees this limitation as a
limitation. Rational thought is interpretation according to a scheme that
we
cannot throw off."
The Will to Power, §522
"A philosophical mythology lies concealed in language which breaks out
again
every moment, however careful one may be otherwise."
The Wanderer and His Shadow, §11
Or two persons of considerable insight thinking along parallel lines? I
have never read a detailed biography of Ludwig (is there one? There must
be!) so I have no idea whether there is any evidence that he ever read
Nietzsche. But at least in this instance the more nutty Witts can't claim
that Friedrich got it from Ludwig.
BS
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| User: "Sleepyhead" |
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| Title: Re: Nietzschean roots for Wittgenstein? |
13 Jul 2005 07:43:37 AM |
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But at least in this instance the more nutty Witts can't claim that Friedrich got it from Ludwig.
There are people who think that!?
Or two persons of considerable insight thinking along parallel lines?
Like Leibniz & Newton, but separated by a hundred years or so?
I have never read a detailed biography of Ludwig (is there one? There must be!)
The biographies I've read are:
Ray Monk "Ludwig Wittgenstein: The Duty of Genius"
Norman Malcolm's "Ludwig Wittgenstein: A Memoir"
Brian McGuinness: "Young Ludwig: Wittgenstein's Life, 1889-1921"
(not that I'm obsessed with his writing at all)
My recollection of them is a bit hazy, but I think Monk's is a good
read, Malcolm's is a bit short, McGuinness's is comprehensive but only
covers the early stuff (which isn't really my cup of tea). They tend to
the fawning though, which is odd given that he wasn't an easy man to
get on with, and although I confess I succumbed to the "cult of
Wittgenstein" when I was younger I honestly can't see the point of
treating him with kid gloves now he's dead!
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| User: "Sleepyhead" |
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| Title: Re: Nietzschean roots for Wittgenstein? |
12 Jul 2005 02:20:23 PM |
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Now there's an interesting thought or two! Wonder if he had an inkling
of what LW would make of it, or if he was thinking of something else
entirely? Perhaps language-games were discovered a few decades before
the 1930s!
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