"Immortalist"

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"Immortalist"

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"Immortalist"

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. . .

From someone who has probably never left the shores of the USA, like

the

majority of Americans.

Over 92% of U. S. citizens have never left N.
America.

The response in no way detracts from the point I made that America is

the

greatest nation on Earth,

Even if true it doesn't mean there aren't
problems here that need to be solved.

You falsly accuse me of claim that "greatest nation of Earth" contradicts

or

necessarily eliminates ALL problems.

How are you going to know your country's weak
points without travel, without actually
comparing your country with others?

Travelling to many different countries definitely helps one learn about the
world.

It doesn't just "help." Even the greatest
philosophers find it 100% essential, from
Montesquieu to DeTocqueville.

. . .

Then again one could spend a life learning about the strong and weak points
of a
country by reading and viewing all material available. One could learn so
much
about something that they know more than the person that lives there.

Easy for immigrants to the U. S. to do. A USF
student from Africa was appalled and
astounded at the ignorance of America by
Americans.

You see
your inductive argument is a contingency. I don't get the point unless you
are
advocationg a class system where only those affluent enough to travel qualify
as
people.

Now now now. No one suggested that.

I am only suggesting that it is absurd to claim
to be patriotic and to call others "treasonous"
when you don't even know your own country.

And it is just as absurd to claim to know your
country when you have never been anywhere
else.

Bret Cahill



All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.

-- Bret Cahill

In _East of Eden_ a Chinese American mulls over the fact that "we

Anyone care to try to explain why OTHER places get the culture phase

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"Immortalist"

Message-id: <5aCdna4I0cDgbPfcRVn-pA@comcast.com> writes:

. . .

By counter analogy you can never know what it is like to be pregnant since
you
are a man. All men who study in medical science and go on to help women
prepare
for, give, and recover from, birth should quit by your logic.

The difference is women talk forever about
childbirth while the corp. ***** media will never
discuss the virtues of other countries.

You can't show that these media ladies of the night didn't talk about it when
you
were not in earshot therefore you can only claim it is probable not deductive
Holmes. Therreforeyou entire argument colapses.

Even when the media raise an issue it is
always through a third party author who is
interviewed as being so obscure, so academic
so distant no Nascar dad would ever consider
looking up the book in the liberry.

You would have a hard time convincing someone that you have watch ALL media
productions which would be necessary to make a claim about what media ALWAYS
does. Therefore your argument is refuted. Stike it from the record your honor
and
the jury cannot use it.

But if you are still babbling about the book I was refering to;

The Right Nation: Conservative Power in America
by John Micklethwait, Adrian Wooldridge
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1594200203/qid=1097556943/

I did check it out of the public library. I was the first one and the time is
almost up. Sneak it back, hang around, nab it again, read it carefully again
because it is truely great, scan it into my PocketPC and then take it back
and
the second person to ever check it out can.

. . .

You do other Englishmen bad by pushing off mere grammar skills as
somehow philosophical ability.

You really think you can surgically separate the
way someone writes and the way he thinks?

This guy Chizwnm ain't like the many Englishmen I dabated with daily at XXX.
Nor
does he compare to the professors I picked appart daily (neighbors down the
hall).

Bret Cahill


"I write with blood."

-- Nietzsche

"Immortalist"

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chzwmn@aol.com (Chzwmn) in

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From someone who has probably never left the shores of the USA, like

the

majority of Americans.

Over 92% of U. S. citizens have never left N.
America.

The response in no way detracts from the point I made that America is

the

greatest nation on Earth,

In order that one can make a comparitive statement, one needs knowledge
and/or
experience of that which one is comparing. I have lived in and visited

over a

dozen countries, I have read extensively on other cultures and their

history

including the evolution of social systems and political systems. But in my

44

years on the planet I wouldn't dream of making such a crass statement as
"(anycountry) is the best country in the world".

I can live with that statement. Take the reverse
for example: Many Americans have always
lived in other countries because, for at least
awhile, it had a greater appeal than hanging
around the U. S. Jefferson, Hemingway and
Armstrong spent so much time in France they
all learned the language.

My problem is with rightards who pretend to be
rah rah patriotic when they have never been
anywhere and therefore cannot even know the
virtues or vices of their own country.

You have not made the case that rightard necessarily pretend to be patriotic

Rightards are always calling anyone who
disagrees with AwOL's failed policies of
quagmire and half trillion dollar deficits
"treasonous."

Or is being "treasonous" a compliment? It's
hard to tell with twisted rightard values.

if
they have not travelled.

Then how are they going to know what's best?

From the robber baron media?

Although I have travelled exstensively I still don't
believe what you guys are saying is true.

Nothing ever surprised you overseas?

Were you in a coma or what?

A counter analogy would be that you can never know another person because you
are
not that person.

I'm not a country either.

Or how about you cannot know yourself because it happens at different times.

What happens?

The argument is easily refuted by counter-analogy.

OK, let us have it.

Also we can disintigrate the partisan spin of the argument in those cases it
is
true about locals and travellers. Left wing right wing and moderate all would
necessarily qualify for the assumed ignorance on your part from this
fallacious
argument of your.

You have nothing more than conclusory
statements?

Of course accourding to Kant we can never know things-in-themselve but only
things-as-they-appear

Rightards who have never been anywhere don't
know things as they appear either.

so one could never be certain that they had travelled

And according to the Hiesenberg uncertainty
principle no one can be certain that OJ had a
knife either.

But no one ever tries that argument either.

You are grabbing at straws with the same
desperation as Cheney clinging to his bid free
contracts.

and
still feel confident in the knowledge about the area. Your wasted every which
way
but loose on this wanker juice argument.

Yer becoming incoherent.

Not only is travel good for the collective, it is
good for the individual. The reason so many
immigrants do better than native born
Americans is because the can see it for what it
really is, warts and all.

Bret Cahill





All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill