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"Robert Cohen" |
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17 Sep 2007 07:25:17 PM |
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NY TIMES On-Line To Be Fully No Fee Starting This Wednesday |
it previously has had the approx $50--$80 annual "select" fee for
their columnists mainly, but has generally been a freebie
to buy a hard copy at a store is now $1.25 daily and at least $5 for
sunday
so, their "bizness model" now is to only sell (annoying) ads, though i
betcha their famous TIMES index, respected research gem mine of the
past, remains fee-based; but let's see for sure on Wednesday
my source for this news is MARKET WATCH, which is another freebie
they are doing everything they can to stay solvent, though it's not
that hard to pessimistically perceive we're now witnessing the final
years of the better newspapers and magazines, though for now it's sort
of a "platinum age" of very worthwhile, freely available publications
of all kinds
if advertisements work well enough to keep the finer print media
going,
then it's no real
sacrifice to take the clutter too
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| User: "Bret Cahill" |
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| Title: Re: NY TIMES On-Line To Be Fully No Fee Starting This Wednesday |
17 Sep 2007 09:29:34 PM |
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I cannot guarantee anything but they may _still_ have it in their
power to help set things up for a civilized exit.
Will it be 20th Century elitism and priviledge?
No.
Will it be fine arts and Mozart?
No.
Will it beat being ripped to shreds?
I hope so.
Bret Cahill
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: NY TIMES On-Line To Be Fully No Fee Starting This Wednesday |
18 Sep 2007 12:38:01 AM |
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On Sep 17, 5:25 pm, Robert Cohen <robtco...@msn.com> wrote:
I would like to hear the whole story of what actually took them so
long to realize that the internet is in control and not them. Can you
believe it took them that long to get over their own internal politics
and see that they could make out with adds like everyone else? And
have longer better stories too. But corporations don't like to tell
those kinds of stories.
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| User: "Bret Cahill" |
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| Title: Re: NY TIMES On-Line To Be Fully No Fee Starting This Wednesday |
18 Sep 2007 03:35:53 AM |
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It's an internal - external political situation not just unprecedented
in history but unimagined in any work of fiction.
And the weirdest part of all is, it's the biggest most interesting
story of the age and they cannot really cover it.
What was holding them together was never anything nearly as lofty as
what they liked to imagine so, now that the money is disappearing, no
one knows what to cover or write or say to each other.
Habits of mind die hard so some want to keep up the facade while
others are uncomfortable keeping secrets, especially those that will
soon be exposed anyway.
The confident "let the chips fall where they may" attitude has been
replaced with complex and fearful glances.
Everything is in turmoil.
The corrupt unemployable older ones will, of course, accept cash under
the table from Big Pharma to help keep the presidential debates on
social issues.
But that will soon be exposed as well.
Bret Cahill
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| User: "Robert Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: NY TIMES On-Line To Be Fully No Fee Starting This Wednesday |
18 Sep 2007 10:51:12 AM |
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On Sep 18, 4:35 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
It's an internal - external political situation not just unprecedented
in history but unimagined in any work of fiction.
And the weirdest part of all is, it's the biggest most interesting
story of the age and they cannot really cover it.
What was holding them together was never anything nearly as lofty as
what they liked to imagine so, now that the money is disappearing, no
one knows what to cover or write or say to each other.
Habits of mind die hard so some want to keep up the facade while
others are uncomfortable keeping secrets, especially those that will
soon be exposed anyway.
The confident "let the chips fall where they may" attitude has been
replaced with complex and fearful glances.
Everything is in turmoil.
The corrupt unemployable older ones will, of course, accept cash under
the table from Big Pharma to help keep the presidential debates on
social issues.
But that will soon be exposed as well.
Bret Cahill
many years ago i took a freshman polisci course in which the prof
suggested to the students to read the daily ny times
i didn't, tho imho
he was exactly right ("left" in his case)
this was some years
before they had printing plants throughout the country including
georgia
now that it's easily available to the world,
wonder what the "circulation" or click-minutes at college campi etal
it's a challenge to motivate high school students to read a local
daily paper
i've been regularly reading my morning and evening
local rags since age 11
change: luv it or die
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| User: "Bret Cahill" |
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| Title: Re: NY TIMES On-Line To Be Fully No Fee Starting This Wednesday |
18 Sep 2007 11:40:28 AM |
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it's a challenge to motivate high school students to read a local
daily paper
Maybe the paper should give up trying to dumb everyone down in the
info age.
On a related matter, someone somehow, maybe the _Times_ got lazy
Democrats all over the country to ask a stock question whenever a
citizen calls up to talk.
"Who's your congressman?"
If the citizen doesn't know the lazy Democrat just hangs up.
Then in Nov. 2005 these _very same lazy Democrats_ hold a convention
to try to figger out why they cannot get elected.
They are wailing "we can't figger out how we lofty types are getting
our fannies whupped by such idiots. Can't figger it out . . ."
Finally Bill Clinton, restraining what is complete contempt for the
lazy Democrats says:
"If you don't talk to them, they aren't going to vote for you."
It goes both ways. Successful Democrats ask the question:
Why is this citizen ignorant of his congressman?
Maybe it's because the congressman never does anything that matters to
the citizen.
I'll be the first to make an example out of Cindy Sheehan. She should
have been involved in national politics _before_ her son was killed in
Iraq.
If the _Times_ sneered at "Jane Sixpack" she should have shut them up
with Art. I, Sec. 8, popular control of national economic policy.
The _Times_ fears that more than anything.
i've been regularly reading my morning and evening
local rags since age 11
It was Nixon who got me to read DeTocqueville because I'ld see a
brilliant quote every now and then on the Op Ed page during Watergate.
25 years later . . .
change: luv it or die
It's work, maybe the hardest work.
Bret Cahill
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