What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
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| User: "Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
06 Dec 2007 08:27:17 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for me.
Scott
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| User: "brian fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
10 Dec 2007 06:10:18 PM |
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"Miller" <chumley702@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for me.
Scott
Perception of reality is dynamic. The willingness to "let go" of yesterday's
reality is the road "less travelled".
Your road.
BOfL
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| User: "Miller" |
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12 Dec 2007 02:18:39 PM |
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"brian fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of
things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
Perception of reality is dynamic. The willingness to "let go" of
yesterday's reality is the road "less travelled".
Your road.
BOfL
Nah, everybody says they are doing that these days...
Scott
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
07 Dec 2007 11:13:43 AM |
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
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| User: "Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
07 Dec 2007 04:40:23 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
I have never seen anything quite like that, sounds like some good stuff to
me though.
But yes, I would have to say that the perceptions are real. Do you want to
argue about the significance of a perception verses whatever you would
define as "real"?
Scott
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
12 Dec 2007 02:32:42 PM |
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On Dec 7, 5:40 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
I have never seen anything quite like that, sounds like some good stuff to
me though.
But yes, I would have to say that the perceptions are real. Do you want to
argue about the significance of a perception verses whatever you would
define as "real"?
Scott
I really don't want to argue about anything really. Just trying to
understand your definition.
So does this mean that things that you have not perceived are not
real?
The Hindus would say that all of our perceptions are illusory.
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| User: "Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
12 Dec 2007 04:46:54 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 5:40 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of
things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
I have never seen anything quite like that, sounds like some good stuff
to
me though.
But yes, I would have to say that the perceptions are real. Do you want
to
argue about the significance of a perception verses whatever you would
define as "real"?
Scott
I really don't want to argue about anything really. Just trying to
understand your definition.
So does this mean that things that you have not perceived are not
real?
The Hindus would say that all of our perceptions are illusory.
Or no perception is illusionary. Its all the same thing.
Look, if I have absolutely no awareness of a thing, how can I say it is real
or unreal? The situation is such that I can say nothing about it because I
have no perception of it. But here, note that even considering such an
"unperceived" object is a sort of perception. An act of self-consciousness
on the act of perception (or in this case, lack of perception).
Scott
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
13 Dec 2007 09:50:42 AM |
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On Dec 12, 5:46 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 5:40 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of
things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
I have never seen anything quite like that, sounds like some good stuff
to
me though.
But yes, I would have to say that the perceptions are real. Do you want
to
argue about the significance of a perception verses whatever you would
define as "real"?
Scott
I really don't want to argue about anything really. Just trying to
understand your definition.
So does this mean that things that you have not perceived are not
real?
The Hindus would say that all of our perceptions are illusory.
Or no perception is illusionary. Its all the same thing.
Look, if I have absolutely no awareness of a thing, how can I say it is real
or unreal? The situation is such that I can say nothing about it because I
have no perception of it. But here, note that even considering such an
"unperceived" object is a sort of perception. An act of self-consciousness
on the act of perception (or in this case, lack of perception).
Scott
Good point. I suppose that although I have not perceived that big oak
tree on main street in downtown Pittsburgh, I can conceive of it,
which is a kind of perception.
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| User: "Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
15 Dec 2007 08:28:34 AM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 12, 5:46 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 5:40 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real
or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that
there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of
things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough
for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
I have never seen anything quite like that, sounds like some good
stuff
to
me though.
But yes, I would have to say that the perceptions are real. Do you
want
to
argue about the significance of a perception verses whatever you would
define as "real"?
Scott
I really don't want to argue about anything really. Just trying to
understand your definition.
So does this mean that things that you have not perceived are not
real?
The Hindus would say that all of our perceptions are illusory.
Or no perception is illusionary. Its all the same thing.
Look, if I have absolutely no awareness of a thing, how can I say it is
real
or unreal? The situation is such that I can say nothing about it because
I
have no perception of it. But here, note that even considering such an
"unperceived" object is a sort of perception. An act of
self-consciousness
on the act of perception (or in this case, lack of perception).
Scott
Good point. I suppose that although I have not perceived that big oak
tree on main street in downtown Pittsburgh, I can conceive of it,
which is a kind of perception.
And your perception makes it real--or more to the point, it is your ability
to conceive/perceive that allows the idea of "reality" to arise in the
world. Some would say that the ability to experience such an "absent"
perception is not essentially different from the immediate perception of the
oak tree if you were standing in front of it.
This would all involve the idea of the primacy of consciousness, which gets
back to the idea that is my consciousness of an object, idea, whatever that
makes the thing "real". All other conceptions of the concept "real"
notwithstanding.
Scott
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| User: "brian fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
10 Dec 2007 06:19:01 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
If you are on acid, you are dancing to the rythm of maya.
BOfL
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| User: "ta" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
14 Dec 2007 09:29:14 AM |
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On Dec 10, 7:19 pm, "brian fletcher" <brian...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:27 pm, "Miller" <chumley...@chartermi.net> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
I suppose it is different for everybody, although I am sure that there
are
those who would insist upon universal criteria for these sorts of things.
In my case, if I can percieve a thing in some way, its real enough for
me.
Scott
What if you are on acid? Are the little green monsters that jump out
of your tv screen real?
If you are on acid, you are dancing to the rythm of maya.
BOfL
How would one know which is real and which is not?
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| User: "thinker" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
06 Dec 2007 09:03:12 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
If it bites, it's real.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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06 Dec 2007 09:17:30 PM |
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On Dec 6, 7:03 pm, "thinker" <notrealem...@notreal.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
If it bites, it's real.
Can you explain how if when "it bites therefore it is real," and
please include the justification for that explaination.
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| User: "THE BORG" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
07 Dec 2007 08:27:22 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
This is down to individual experience. Whatever you have experienced will
develop your own criteria.
The same applies for philosophy - religion - there is no general rule -
every individual draws their own conclusions from their own personal
experience.
Your truth - your religion - your philosophy - your path are individual and
unique. And the experiences given to you are picked especially to suit you
and your development. In the history of time where you may conceivably have
been known by intelligences since you were living in the ocean - then you
would be known well enough by now for them to know what experiences would
suit you.
THE BORG
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
06 Dec 2007 09:10:31 PM |
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"ta" <padlrnc@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Whether it significantly effects your life here on Earth or not.
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| User: "" |
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06 Dec 2007 09:59:36 PM |
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On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Whether it significantly effects your life here on Earth or not.
REPLY: A significant amount of false philosophies (which sound good)
can affect ones life in a negative way. The standard shouldnt be it
affecting your temporary life on earth...but rather... how it affects
your eternity , which is considerably longer and far more important.
Regards.
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| User: "THE BORG" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
07 Dec 2007 08:17:43 PM |
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Whether it significantly effects your life here on Earth or not.
REPLY: A significant amount of false philosophies (which sound good)
can affect ones life in a negative way. The standard shouldnt be it
affecting your temporary life on earth...but rather... how it affects
your eternity , which is considerably longer and far more important.
Regards.
But your life is "part" of eternity. Each moment is part of eternity.
This life - the next life - the one after - the one after. You should see
all as equally important.
Regards
THE BORG
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
06 Dec 2007 10:08:26 PM |
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Whether it significantly effects your life here on Earth or not.
REPLY: A significant amount of false philosophies (which sound good)
can affect ones life in a negative way. The standard shouldnt be it
affecting your temporary life on earth...but rather... how it affects
your eternity , which is considerably longer and far more important.
Regards.
Of course eternity is what matters in life.
But it all begins here, in the real world.
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| User: "brian fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
10 Dec 2007 06:17:36 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Whether it significantly effects your life here on Earth or not.
REPLY: A significant amount of false philosophies (which sound good)
can affect ones life in a negative way. The standard shouldnt be it
affecting your temporary life on earth...but rather... how it affects
your eternity , which is considerably longer and far more important.
Regards.
Of course eternity is what matters in life.
But it all begins here, in the real world.
Ever contemplated an 'eternal' toothache.:-)
Eternity doesnt begin, it already "is" here.Now where is your reality
focused?
BOfL
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| User: "brian fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
10 Dec 2007 06:15:51 PM |
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"ta" <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:a948e108-58c5-4b05-b8b9-18e1ae685bbc@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Whether it significantly effects your life here on Earth or not.
REPLY: A significant amount of false philosophies (which sound good)
can affect ones life in a negative way. The standard shouldnt be it
affecting your temporary life on earth...but rather... how it affects
your eternity , which is considerably longer and far more important.
Regards.
There is "eternal" reality and 'temporal' reality. Parallel realities.
BOfL
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| User: "Wordsmith" |
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14 Dec 2007 12:09:31 PM |
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On Dec 6, 6:32 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
Philip K. ***** said one encounters the real if one stops believing in
it...and it
doesn't go away.
W : )
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| User: "" |
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06 Dec 2007 08:54:57 PM |
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On Dec 6, 7:32 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
REPLY: Depends on who you are talking to ; if youre talking to
someone who is a Post Modernist (usually atheist), it is based on
Relative 'Truth' ... often based on a philosophical bias which
benefits one personally (normally a good feeling afterward) . This is
the benefit of YOU being the standard. If youre talking to someone
who values truth beyond superficial reasoning, that person would
discover and implement a Standard of Truth which isnt based on how it
serves himself..but..coming from someone greater than self ; the
highest standard of truth , morality, or ethics known to mankind , is
the absolute truth as found in the Bibles 10 Commandments and the
teachings of Christ because they are divinely instituted instead of
'man' instituted (often based on personal and convenient
preference.). And this was the criteria that our Founding Fathers
recognized as being best for this Nation. If America hadnt become
secularized as it is today, this Nation would have remained morally
strong ...but as it is...you have people doing what is 'right' in
their own minds. As to the criteria in determining what is real or
not, since The Bible is absolute truth which cannot err, it makes
sound rational sense to seek IT before any other source ; as a
secondary source ... emphirical evidence can be used. However, there
may be some things which there is no emphirical evidence for , thus it
is not always possible to rely solely on this secondary source.
Regards.
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| User: "brian fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Maya |
10 Dec 2007 06:13:47 PM |
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 7:32 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
What is the criteria upon which we base whether something is real or
not?
REPLY: Depends on who you are talking to ; ...
That perception is one of the major causes of internal conflict (distorted
reality).
Everyone has a different viewpoint, whch is dynamic.
"Sacred space".
BOfL
if youre talking to
someone who is a Post Modernist (usually atheist), it is based on
Relative 'Truth' ... often based on a philosophical bias which
benefits one personally (normally a good feeling afterward) . This is
the benefit of YOU being the standard. If youre talking to someone
who values truth beyond superficial reasoning, that person would
discover and implement a Standard of Truth which isnt based on how it
serves himself..but..coming from someone greater than self ; the
highest standard of truth , morality, or ethics known to mankind , is
the absolute truth as found in the Bibles 10 Commandments and the
teachings of Christ because they are divinely instituted instead of
'man' instituted (often based on personal and convenient
preference.). And this was the criteria that our Founding Fathers
recognized as being best for this Nation. If America hadnt become
secularized as it is today, this Nation would have remained morally
strong ...but as it is...you have people doing what is 'right' in
their own minds. As to the criteria in determining what is real or
not, since The Bible is absolute truth which cannot err, it makes
sound rational sense to seek IT before any other source ; as a
secondary source ... emphirical evidence can be used. However, there
may be some things which there is no emphirical evidence for , thus it
is not always possible to rely solely on this secondary source.
Regards.
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