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On Occasion Even Einstein was Wrong |
HISTORY OF PHYSICS: EINSTEIN AGAINST PHYSICAL REVIEW JOURNAL
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
The following points are made by Daniel Kennefick (Physics Today
2005 September):
1) Albert Einstein had two careers as a professional physicist,
the first spent through 1933 entirely at German-speaking
universities in central Europe, the second at the Institute for
Advanced Studies in Princeton, New Jersey, from 1933 until his
death in 1955. During the first period he generally published in
German physics journals, most famously the Annalen der Physik,
where all five of his celebrated papers of 1905 appeared.
2) After relocating to the US, Einstein began to publish
frequently in North American journals. Of those, the Physical
Review, then under the editorship of John Tate, was rapidly
assuming the mantle of the world's premier journal of physics.[1]
Einstein first published there in 1931 on the first of three
winter visits to Caltech. With Nathan Rosen, his first American
assistant, Einstein published two more papers in the Physical
Review: the famous 1935 paper by Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and
Rosen (EPR) and a 1936 paper that introduced the concept of the
Einstein-Rosen bridge, nowadays better known as a wormhole. But
except for a letter to the journal's editor he wrote in 1952 --
in response to a paper critical of his unified field theory work
-- that 1936 paper was the last Einstein would ever publish
there.
3) Einstein stopped submitting work to the Physical Review after
receiving a negative critique from the journal in response to a
paper he had written with Rosen on gravitational waves later in
1936.[2] That much has long been known, at least to the editors
of Einstein's collected papers. But the story of Einstein's
subsequent interaction with the referee in that case is not well
known to physicists outside of the gravitational-wave community.
Last March, the journal's current editor-in-chief, Martin Blume,
and his colleagues uncovered the journal's logbook records from
the era, a find that has confirmed the suspicions about that
referee's identity.[3] Moreover, the story raises the possibility
that Einstein's gravitational-wave paper with Rosen may have been
his only genuine encounter with anonymous peer review. Einstein,
who reacted angrily to the referee report, would have been well
advised to pay more attention to its criticisms, which proved to
be valid.
4) Einstein introduced gravitational waves into his theory of
general relativity in 1916, within a few months of finding the
correct form of the field equations for it. Although the concept
of gravitational radiation was then relatively new and no
experimental evidence existed to support it, the analogy with the
case of the electromagnetic field was so compelling that by the
1930s most scientists thought that gravitational waves must exist
in principle. Nevertheless, in 1936 Einstein wrote to his friend
Max Born:
"Together with a young collaborator, I arrived at the interesting
result that gravitational waves do not exist, though they had
been assumed a certainty to the first approximation. This shows
that the non-linear general relativistic field equations can tell
us more or, rather, limit us more than we have believed up to
now."[4]
Einstein submitted this research to the Physical Review under the
title "Do Gravitational Waves Exist?" with Rosen as coauthor.
Although the original version of the paper no longer exists,
Einstein's answer to the title question, to judge from his letter
to Born, was "No". It is remarkable that at this stage in his
career Einstein was prepared to believe that gravitational waves
did not exist, but he also managed to convince his new assistant,
Leopold Infeld, who replaced Rosen in 1936, that his argument was
valid.[5]
References (abridged):
1. A. Pais, in The Physical Review: The First Hundred Years, H.
H. Stoke, ed., AIP Press, New York (1995), p. 1
2. A. Pais, "Subtle is the Lord": The Science and Life of Albert
Einstein, Oxford U. Press, New York (1982), p. 494
3. D. Kennefick, in The Expanding Worlds of General Relativity,
H. Goenner, J. Renn, J. Ritter, T. Sauer, eds., Birkh"user-
Verlag, Boston (1999), p. 207
4. A. Einstein, The Born-Einstein Letters: Friendship, Politics,
and Physics in Uncertain Times, MacMillan, New York (2005), p.
122
5. L. Infeld, Quest: An Autobiography, Chelsea, New York (1980)
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
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Related Material:
ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by B.C. Barish and R. Weiss
(Physics Today October 1999):
1) The idea of gravitational waves was already implicit in the
1905 special theory of relativity, with its finite limiting speed
for information transfer. The explicit formulation for
gravitational waves in general relativity was put forward by
Einstein in 1916 and 1918. He showed that the acceleration of
masses generates time-dependent gravitational fields that
propagate away from their source at the speed of light as
warpages of spacetime. Such a propagating warpage is called a
"gravitational wave".
2) The best empirical evidence we have of the existence of
gravitational radiation is indirect. It comes from the 1974
discovery and beautiful observations, by Russell Hulse and Joseph
Taylor, of the first binary pulsar ever found. Exploiting the
clockwork pulsar signal from the neutron star, they were able to
monitor the orbital period of the binary star system with
exquisite precision and confirm that it was indeed gradually
speeding up at just the rate predicted for the general-
relativistic emission of gravitational waves.
3) The direct detection of gravitational waves will mark the
opening of a new window on the near and far reaches of the
Cosmos. For physics, its most important promise is the direct
observation of gravitation in highly relativistic settings, so
that one can test general relativity in the strong-field limit,
where it is not merely a small correction to Newtonian gravity.
In that limit, the strong curvature of the spacetime geometry
should show us fundamentally new physics.
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
--------------------------------
Related Material:
ASTROPHYSICS: ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by Peter S. Shawhan (American
Scientist 2004 92:350):
1) To understand how gravitational radiation arises requires at
least a rudimentary understanding of Einstein's general theory of
relativity. This theory posits that time is a dimension similar
to the three dimensions of space and that the combined four-
dimensional "spacetime" can be treated using the language of
geometry.
2) The complete history of an object's position as a function of
time is described by a "world line", which threads through the
four-dimensional coordinate system, from past to present to
future. If no force acts on the object, it will move with a
constant velocity, and its world line will be a straight line at
some fixed angle relative to the coordinate axes.
3) An object near a large mass feels the force of gravity
accelerate it, so that its world line follows a curved path
relative to the coordinate system. For example, if a ball is
thrown straight up into the air, a graph of its height versus
time traces out a parabola. At least, that is the conventional
view, dating back to Isacce Newton (1642-1727). Albert Einstein
(1879-1955) took the bold step of casting that notion aside and
postulating that a massive body curves the coordinate system
itself. Rather than following a curved path in a Cartesian
coordinate system, the ball actually follows a "straight" path (a
geodesic) in a curved coordinate system, returning to the
thrower's hand at a later time because the geodesic leads it
there. Gravity, therefore, is not really a force but is a
manifestation of curvature in the geometry of spacetime.
4) The difference between these two points of view may sound like
a matter of definition, but Einstein's theory made a few specific
predictions that have since been experimentally verified. For
example, the British astrophysicist Sir Arthur Eddington (1882-
1944) took advantage of a 1919 solar eclipse to measure the
deflection of starlight passing near the Sun, finding it to be in
agreement with theory. His result was trumpeted on the front
pages of newspapers around the world, instantly establishing
Einstein's popular reputation.
5) General relativity says that the geometrical curvature induced
by a massive object does not arise everywhere instantaneously.
Rather, it travels outward from its source at the speed of light.
Thus, if a massive object alters its shape or orientation, or if
a collection of objects changes its spatial arrangement, the
gravitational effect -- the curvature of spacetime -- propagates
away as a gravitational wave.
6) A gravitational wave may be described as a time-varying
distortion of the geometry of space, temporarily altering the
effective distance between any given pair of points. If the
causative shift in mass is abrupt, the wave will take the form of
a short pulse, much like the ripple produced after dropping a
rock into a still pond. In the case of a periodic change, the
wave will be sustained, much like the carrier wave for a
broadcast radio signal. In either case, the amplitude of the wave
will be inversely proportional to the distance from the source.
Unlike ordinary gravitational acceleration, which always points
toward the source, a gravitational wave acts perpendicularly to
the direction in which it is traveling, and thus is called a
transverse wave. In this sense it is like light, rather than like
sound, which propagates as longitudinal waves.(1-5)
References (abridged):
1. Barish, B. C., and R. Weiss. 1999. LIGO and the detection of
gravitational waves. Physics Today 52(10):44-50
2. Lyne, A. G., M. Burgay, M. Kramer, A. Possenti, R. N.
Manchester, F. Camilo, M. A. McLaughlin, D. R. Lorimer, N.
D'Amico, B. C. Joshi, J. Reynolds and P. C. C. Freire. 2004. A
double-pulsar system: A rare laboratory for relativistic gravity
and plasma physics. Science 303:1153-1157
3. Saulson, P. R. 1994. Fundamentals of Interferometric
Gravitational Wave Detectors. Singapore: World Scientific.
Schutz, B. S. 2003. Gravity from the Ground Up. Cambridge, U.K.:
Cambridge University Press
4. Taylor, J. H., and J. M. Weisberg. 1982. A new test of general
relativity: Gravitational radiation and the binary pulsar PSR
1913+16. Astrophysical Journal 253:908-920
5. Will, C. M. 1993. Was Einstein Right? Putting General
Relativity to the Test. New York: Basic Books
American Scientist http://www.americanscientist.org
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
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| User: "BuddhaThu" |
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09 Oct 2005 03:27:16 PM |
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Dear Sir Frederick,
This is a good post.
Let me ramble and see what falls out. Sometimes, that is better than
doing things in a deliberate manner.
The difference between Einstein's interpretation and Newton's is
that Newton had the concept of "force" causing objects to follow
along a straight line in Euclidean space, where things exist in
"time."
Einstein's interpretation did away with the concept of "force,"
and had everything "absorbed" into a space-time curvature.
"Matter tells space how to curve and space tells matter how to
move."
The reason for this move, I suspect is the question of "what is this
force?"
Newton cannot answer it without getting really, really metaphysical.
Einstein took it out and had everything become descriptive along the
geometry of space-time.
In a way, he was being honest. The difference between science and
pseudoscience is that science will know its limits and work within
those limits. It is the "humility thesis of science."
He was a bit Kantian, and everything was exploring the limits of not
only science but knowledge as well. You will see this in the
Wittgenstein's Tractatus and in Godel's incompleteness theorems as
well.
The science of force is nebulous at best and so we need to redevelop
our concepts.
Force is just a name, and to give an explanation of force by
substituting it with another name say "gravitational field" is a
bit circular.
And equations are just as bad, they are still descriptions -- and by
the concept of the equation can only be circular arguments.
Back then, and still today... no one has an inkling as to why objects
fall.
The problem is both Newton and Einstein are weak. According to Newton,
the universe exists within time. This is not possible. Time is an
abstraction with lots of numbers. A coordinate grid is neither space
nor time.
Einstein's position promotes a circularity of matter and space such
that it does no explanatory work. A theory is supposed to give us
explanations. "Matter tells space how to curve and space tells matter
to move" is not an explanation of anything. It is a description and a
bad one at that. It tells how and not why. It is also a circular
rendition of everything.
It could be that Einstein after recognizing this problem made attempts
by way of gravity waves.
The problem is Einstein during this time period lost his empirical edge
so to speak and went toward theoretical science, -- things that could
not be proved within the science of the time period. It was not like
special relativity and the proof of the eclipse.
Gravity wave issue to him was not about exploring the ontology of
gravity, but still working within the theoretical construct.
His refutation of gravity waves might seem to be a form of backsliding
away from the work of physics and into metaphysics.
It is important to remember that Einstein was a not a promoter of
change. He was into Spinoza's God. He was also a true blue Platonist.
The Universe did not exist in time, but was space-time inclusive. The
world is an infinite continuum without end. In order for this universe
to change, it must reach an end. There is no end, and therefore there
is no change.
It is interesting therefore to have time and not to have change, but
this is where he's gotten us.
Despite his issues of pulling together space-time, he was still
Newtonian in the sense that he believed time had a distinct geometry.
He referred to it as -t in his equations, signifying that it had a
separate and distinct geometry.
Godel his walking companion for so many years did the final collapse by
redeveloping his space-time geometry into pure space. Space-time is
pure math, but space is the final reality. Most space-time geometry can
be represented as such on a coordinate map.
If this is the case, then there is definitely no change. It was a
rational extension of Einstein's space time universe. Time disappears
and space is the final reality within Godel's rotating universe.
Godel's universe allowed for time travel through such things as
"wormholes."
When I was a kid, I dreamed of time travel and not space travel.
Godel's universe will allow for this since everything is space.
However, there is a problem of Godel's position.
Time is not real for the universe, which allows us to travel back into
time. But time would have to be real for those people in the spaceship.
So they must exist in a different sub-universe in order for time travel
to happen. Something would have to be inconsistent.
Newton, Einstein and Godel's mistake is that they were all
Platonists. Reality is invariance and not variance, math equations and
not in experiments.
They were right. Time does not exist. Time as math is abstractions.
Therefore, it cannot exist. But ontological process and change can.
We can feel it.
We know it.
Nothing is more direct than the sense of your aging process. Your body
is changing. You don't need numbers and dates to tell you this.
Brackett out the numbers and you can still feel it.
Death is a possible history and not a possible world.
There is no such thing as a possible world when you will not die.
There is possible history of when depending on how well you take care
of yourself, i.e. eat well, be happy, have sex etc...
So love and live free guys and gals. :- ) BT
P.S. Book suggestion: World without Time by Palle Yourgrau. It is a
pretty good book for the Newbie. It explores the relationship between
Einstein and Godel.
I did a book review of it recently. BT
Sir Frederick wrote:
HISTORY OF PHYSICS: EINSTEIN AGAINST PHYSICAL REVIEW JOURNAL
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
The following points are made by Daniel Kennefick (Physics Today
2005 September):
1) Albert Einstein had two careers as a professional physicist,
the first spent through 1933 entirely at German-speaking
universities in central Europe, the second at the Institute for
Advanced Studies in Princeton, New Jersey, from 1933 until his
death in 1955. During the first period he generally published in
German physics journals, most famously the Annalen der Physik,
where all five of his celebrated papers of 1905 appeared.
2) After relocating to the US, Einstein began to publish
frequently in North American journals. Of those, the Physical
Review, then under the editorship of John Tate, was rapidly
assuming the mantle of the world's premier journal of physics.[1]
Einstein first published there in 1931 on the first of three
winter visits to Caltech. With Nathan Rosen, his first American
assistant, Einstein published two more papers in the Physical
Review: the famous 1935 paper by Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and
Rosen (EPR) and a 1936 paper that introduced the concept of the
Einstein-Rosen bridge, nowadays better known as a wormhole. But
except for a letter to the journal's editor he wrote in 1952 --
in response to a paper critical of his unified field theory work
-- that 1936 paper was the last Einstein would ever publish
there.
3) Einstein stopped submitting work to the Physical Review after
receiving a negative critique from the journal in response to a
paper he had written with Rosen on gravitational waves later in
1936.[2] That much has long been known, at least to the editors
of Einstein's collected papers. But the story of Einstein's
subsequent interaction with the referee in that case is not well
known to physicists outside of the gravitational-wave community.
Last March, the journal's current editor-in-chief, Martin Blume,
and his colleagues uncovered the journal's logbook records from
the era, a find that has confirmed the suspicions about that
referee's identity.[3] Moreover, the story raises the possibility
that Einstein's gravitational-wave paper with Rosen may have been
his only genuine encounter with anonymous peer review. Einstein,
who reacted angrily to the referee report, would have been well
advised to pay more attention to its criticisms, which proved to
be valid.
4) Einstein introduced gravitational waves into his theory of
general relativity in 1916, within a few months of finding the
correct form of the field equations for it. Although the concept
of gravitational radiation was then relatively new and no
experimental evidence existed to support it, the analogy with the
case of the electromagnetic field was so compelling that by the
1930s most scientists thought that gravitational waves must exist
in principle. Nevertheless, in 1936 Einstein wrote to his friend
Max Born:
"Together with a young collaborator, I arrived at the interesting
result that gravitational waves do not exist, though they had
been assumed a certainty to the first approximation. This shows
that the non-linear general relativistic field equations can tell
us more or, rather, limit us more than we have believed up to
now."[4]
Einstein submitted this research to the Physical Review under the
title "Do Gravitational Waves Exist?" with Rosen as coauthor.
Although the original version of the paper no longer exists,
Einstein's answer to the title question, to judge from his letter
to Born, was "No". It is remarkable that at this stage in his
career Einstein was prepared to believe that gravitational waves
did not exist, but he also managed to convince his new assistant,
Leopold Infeld, who replaced Rosen in 1936, that his argument was
valid.[5]
References (abridged):
1. A. Pais, in The Physical Review: The First Hundred Years, H.
H. Stoke, ed., AIP Press, New York (1995), p. 1
2. A. Pais, "Subtle is the Lord": The Science and Life of Albert
Einstein, Oxford U. Press, New York (1982), p. 494
3. D. Kennefick, in The Expanding Worlds of General Relativity,
H. Goenner, J. Renn, J. Ritter, T. Sauer, eds., Birkh"user-
Verlag, Boston (1999), p. 207
4. A. Einstein, The Born-Einstein Letters: Friendship, Politics,
and Physics in Uncertain Times, MacMillan, New York (2005), p.
122
5. L. Infeld, Quest: An Autobiography, Chelsea, New York (1980)
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
--------------------------------
Related Material:
ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by B.C. Barish and R. Weiss
(Physics Today October 1999):
1) The idea of gravitational waves was already implicit in the
1905 special theory of relativity, with its finite limiting speed
for information transfer. The explicit formulation for
gravitational waves in general relativity was put forward by
Einstein in 1916 and 1918. He showed that the acceleration of
masses generates time-dependent gravitational fields that
propagate away from their source at the speed of light as
warpages of spacetime. Such a propagating warpage is called a
"gravitational wave".
2) The best empirical evidence we have of the existence of
gravitational radiation is indirect. It comes from the 1974
discovery and beautiful observations, by Russell Hulse and Joseph
Taylor, of the first binary pulsar ever found. Exploiting the
clockwork pulsar signal from the neutron star, they were able to
monitor the orbital period of the binary star system with
exquisite precision and confirm that it was indeed gradually
speeding up at just the rate predicted for the general-
relativistic emission of gravitational waves.
3) The direct detection of gravitational waves will mark the
opening of a new window on the near and far reaches of the
Cosmos. For physics, its most important promise is the direct
observation of gravitation in highly relativistic settings, so
that one can test general relativity in the strong-field limit,
where it is not merely a small correction to Newtonian gravity.
In that limit, the strong curvature of the spacetime geometry
should show us fundamentally new physics.
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
--------------------------------
Related Material:
ASTROPHYSICS: ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by Peter S. Shawhan (American
Scientist 2004 92:350):
1) To understand how gravitational radiation arises requires at
least a rudimentary understanding of Einstein's general theory of
relativity. This theory posits that time is a dimension similar
to the three dimensions of space and that the combined four-
dimensional "spacetime" can be treated using the language of
geometry.
2) The complete history of an object's position as a function of
time is described by a "world line", which threads through the
four-dimensional coordinate system, from past to present to
future. If no force acts on the object, it will move with a
constant velocity, and its world line will be a straight line at
some fixed angle relative to the coordinate axes.
3) An object near a large mass feels the force of gravity
accelerate it, so that its world line follows a curved path
relative to the coordinate system. For example, if a ball is
thrown straight up into the air, a graph of its height versus
time traces out a parabola. At least, that is the conventional
view, dating back to Isacce Newton (1642-1727). Albert Einstein
(1879-1955) took the bold step of casting that notion aside and
postulating that a massive body curves the coordinate system
itself. Rather than following a curved path in a Cartesian
coordinate system, the ball actually follows a "straight" path (a
geodesic) in a curved coordinate system, returning to the
thrower's hand at a later time because the geodesic leads it
there. Gravity, therefore, is not really a force but is a
manifestation of curvature in the geometry of spacetime.
4) The difference between these two points of view may sound like
a matter of definition, but Einstein's theory made a few specific
predictions that have since been experimentally verified. For
example, the British astrophysicist Sir Arthur Eddington (1882-
1944) took advantage of a 1919 solar eclipse to measure the
deflection of starlight passing near the Sun, finding it to be in
agreement with theory. His result was trumpeted on the front
pages of newspapers around the world, instantly establishing
Einstein's popular reputation.
5) General relativity says that the geometrical curvature induced
by a massive object does not arise everywhere instantaneously.
Rather, it travels outward from its source at the speed of light.
Thus, if a massive object alters its shape or orientation, or if
a collection of objects changes its spatial arrangement, the
gravitational effect -- the curvature of spacetime -- propagates
away as a gravitational wave.
6) A gravitational wave may be described as a time-varying
distortion of the geometry of space, temporarily altering the
effective distance between any given pair of points. If the
causative shift in mass is abrupt, the wave will take the form of
a short pulse, much like the ripple produced after dropping a
rock into a still pond. In the case of a periodic change, the
wave will be sustained, much like the carrier wave for a
broadcast radio signal. In either case, the amplitude of the wave
will be inversely proportional to the distance from the source.
Unlike ordinary gravitational acceleration, which always points
toward the source, a gravitational wave acts perpendicularly to
the direction in which it is traveling, and thus is called a
transverse wave. In this sense it is like light, rather than like
sound, which propagates as longitudinal waves.(1-5)
References (abridged):
1. Barish, B. C., and R. Weiss. 1999. LIGO and the detection of
gravitational waves. Physics Today 52(10):44-50
2. Lyne, A. G., M. Burgay, M. Kramer, A. Possenti, R. N.
Manchester, F. Camilo, M. A. McLaughlin, D. R. Lorimer, N.
D'Amico, B. C. Joshi, J. Reynolds and P. C. C. Freire. 2004. A
double-pulsar system: A rare laboratory for relativistic gravity
and plasma physics. Science 303:1153-1157
3. Saulson, P. R. 1994. Fundamentals of Interferometric
Gravitational Wave Detectors. Singapore: World Scientific.
Schutz, B. S. 2003. Gravity from the Ground Up. Cambridge, U.K.:
Cambridge University Press
4. Taylor, J. H., and J. M. Weisberg. 1982. A new test of general
relativity: Gravitational radiation and the binary pulsar PSR
1913+16. Astrophysical Journal 253:908-920
5. Will, C. M. 1993. Was Einstein Right? Putting General
Relativity to the Test. New York: Basic Books
American Scientist http://www.americanscientist.org
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
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09 Oct 2005 04:10:18 PM |
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"BuddhaThu" <softspokenbuddha@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1128889636.376176.286880@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
P.S. Book suggestion: World without Time by Palle Yourgrau. It is a
pretty good book for the Newbie. It explores the relationship between
Einstein and Godel.
I did a book review of it recently. BT
Here is one. Is this yours?
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000632/00/Yourgrau.pdf
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| User: "BuddhaThu" |
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10 Oct 2005 02:29:49 PM |
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No, it is not one of mine. I did a private review and sent it to Dr.
Yourgrau.
There is a sizable conflict between John Earman and Palle Yourgrau that
I do not wish to be a part of. :-)
I wish to be neutral and autonomous. The only way to do that is to
remain unknown. :-)
John Earman believes that Godel's universe is not Einstein's and he
dispelled Godel's universe using Einstein's at some Boston University
conference in 1995.
Again, I don't want to take sides. I am in here to practice philosophy.
One can only be good by practicing and not just reading.
Publius wrote:
"BuddhaThu" <softspokenbuddha@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1128889636.376176.286880@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
P.S. Book suggestion: World without Time by Palle Yourgrau. It is a
pretty good book for the Newbie. It explores the relationship between
Einstein and Godel.
I did a book review of it recently. BT
Here is one. Is this yours?
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000632/00/Yourgrau.pdf
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| User: "S. Jouanny" |
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10 Oct 2005 08:18:47 PM |
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Even 'Einstein'? He's not God.
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12 Oct 2005 02:32:14 PM |
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But pretty close. Nobody made a TV show about you or me.
stu
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S2 wrote:
But pretty close. Nobody made a TV show about you or me.
"God does not play dice with the universe."
No, but if you read "The language of the Goddess" by archaeologist
M. Gimbutas, which has a forward by Joseph Campbell, you can see
where the pre-historic concept of the parthenogenic Great Earth
Mother had it that the Goddess does play...
She has often been rendered doing a dance with Chaos. She does not
have a 'divine plan', but is simply winging it. This seems to be
why the Shamen and Witches who worshiped Her- threw dice that have
since been found in the tels.
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:41:27 -0700, Sir Frederick
<mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
HISTORY OF PHYSICS: EINSTEIN AGAINST PHYSICAL REVIEW JOURNAL
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
The following points are made by Daniel Kennefick (Physics Today
2005 September):
1) Albert Einstein had two careers as a professional physicist,
the first spent through 1933 entirely at German-speaking
universities in central Europe, the second at the Institute for
Advanced Studies in Princeton, New Jersey, from 1933 until his
death in 1955. During the first period he generally published in
German physics journals, most famously the Annalen der Physik,
where all five of his celebrated papers of 1905 appeared.
2) After relocating to the US, Einstein began to publish
frequently in North American journals. Of those, the Physical
Review, then under the editorship of John Tate, was rapidly
assuming the mantle of the world's premier journal of physics.[1]
Einstein first published there in 1931 on the first of three
winter visits to Caltech. With Nathan Rosen, his first American
assistant, Einstein published two more papers in the Physical
Review: the famous 1935 paper by Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and
Rosen (EPR) and a 1936 paper that introduced the concept of the
Einstein-Rosen bridge, nowadays better known as a wormhole. But
except for a letter to the journal's editor he wrote in 1952 --
in response to a paper critical of his unified field theory work
-- that 1936 paper was the last Einstein would ever publish
there.
3) Einstein stopped submitting work to the Physical Review after
receiving a negative critique from the journal in response to a
paper he had written with Rosen on gravitational waves later in
1936.[2] That much has long been known, at least to the editors
of Einstein's collected papers. But the story of Einstein's
subsequent interaction with the referee in that case is not well
known to physicists outside of the gravitational-wave community.
Last March, the journal's current editor-in-chief, Martin Blume,
and his colleagues uncovered the journal's logbook records from
the era, a find that has confirmed the suspicions about that
referee's identity.[3] Moreover, the story raises the possibility
that Einstein's gravitational-wave paper with Rosen may have been
his only genuine encounter with anonymous peer review. Einstein,
who reacted angrily to the referee report, would have been well
advised to pay more attention to its criticisms, which proved to
be valid.
4) Einstein introduced gravitational waves into his theory of
general relativity in 1916, within a few months of finding the
correct form of the field equations for it. Although the concept
of gravitational radiation was then relatively new and no
experimental evidence existed to support it, the analogy with the
case of the electromagnetic field was so compelling that by the
1930s most scientists thought that gravitational waves must exist
in principle. Nevertheless, in 1936 Einstein wrote to his friend
Max Born:
"Together with a young collaborator, I arrived at the interesting
result that gravitational waves do not exist, though they had
been assumed a certainty to the first approximation. This shows
that the non-linear general relativistic field equations can tell
us more or, rather, limit us more than we have believed up to
now."[4]
Einstein submitted this research to the Physical Review under the
title "Do Gravitational Waves Exist?" with Rosen as coauthor.
Although the original version of the paper no longer exists,
Einstein's answer to the title question, to judge from his letter
to Born, was "No". It is remarkable that at this stage in his
career Einstein was prepared to believe that gravitational waves
did not exist, but he also managed to convince his new assistant,
Leopold Infeld, who replaced Rosen in 1936, that his argument was
valid.[5]
References (abridged):
1. A. Pais, in The Physical Review: The First Hundred Years, H.
H. Stoke, ed., AIP Press, New York (1995), p. 1
2. A. Pais, "Subtle is the Lord": The Science and Life of Albert
Einstein, Oxford U. Press, New York (1982), p. 494
3. D. Kennefick, in The Expanding Worlds of General Relativity,
H. Goenner, J. Renn, J. Ritter, T. Sauer, eds., Birkh"user-
Verlag, Boston (1999), p. 207
4. A. Einstein, The Born-Einstein Letters: Friendship, Politics,
and Physics in Uncertain Times, MacMillan, New York (2005), p.
122
5. L. Infeld, Quest: An Autobiography, Chelsea, New York (1980)
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
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Related Material:
ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by B.C. Barish and R. Weiss
(Physics Today October 1999):
1) The idea of gravitational waves was already implicit in the
1905 special theory of relativity, with its finite limiting speed
for information transfer. The explicit formulation for
gravitational waves in general relativity was put forward by
Einstein in 1916 and 1918. He showed that the acceleration of
masses generates time-dependent gravitational fields that
propagate away from their source at the speed of light as
warpages of spacetime. Such a propagating warpage is called a
"gravitational wave".
2) The best empirical evidence we have of the existence of
gravitational radiation is indirect. It comes from the 1974
discovery and beautiful observations, by Russell Hulse and Joseph
Taylor, of the first binary pulsar ever found. Exploiting the
clockwork pulsar signal from the neutron star, they were able to
monitor the orbital period of the binary star system with
exquisite precision and confirm that it was indeed gradually
speeding up at just the rate predicted for the general-
relativistic emission of gravitational waves.
3) The direct detection of gravitational waves will mark the
opening of a new window on the near and far reaches of the
Cosmos. For physics, its most important promise is the direct
observation of gravitation in highly relativistic settings, so
that one can test general relativity in the strong-field limit,
where it is not merely a small correction to Newtonian gravity.
In that limit, the strong curvature of the spacetime geometry
should show us fundamentally new physics.
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
--------------------------------
Related Material:
ASTROPHYSICS: ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by Peter S. Shawhan (American
Scientist 2004 92:350):
1) To understand how gravitational radiation arises requires at
least a rudimentary understanding of Einstein's general theory of
relativity. This theory posits that time is a dimension similar
to the three dimensions of space and that the combined four-
dimensional "spacetime" can be treated using the language of
geometry.
2) The complete history of an object's position as a function of
time is described by a "world line", which threads through the
four-dimensional coordinate system, from past to present to
future. If no force acts on the object, it will move with a
constant velocity, and its world line will be a straight line at
some fixed angle relative to the coordinate axes.
3) An object near a large mass feels the force of gravity
accelerate it, so that its world line follows a curved path
relative to the coordinate system. For example, if a ball is
thrown straight up into the air, a graph of its height versus
time traces out a parabola. At least, that is the conventional
view, dating back to Isacce Newton (1642-1727). Albert Einstein
(1879-1955) took the bold step of casting that notion aside and
postulating that a massive body curves the coordinate system
itself. Rather than following a curved path in a Cartesian
coordinate system, the ball actually follows a "straight" path (a
geodesic) in a curved coordinate system, returning to the
thrower's hand at a later time because the geodesic leads it
there. Gravity, therefore, is not really a force but is a
manifestation of curvature in the geometry of spacetime.
4) The difference between these two points of view may sound like
a matter of definition, but Einstein's theory made a few specific
predictions that have since been experimentally verified. For
example, the British astrophysicist Sir Arthur Eddington (1882-
1944) took advantage of a 1919 solar eclipse to measure the
deflection of starlight passing near the Sun, finding it to be in
agreement with theory. His result was trumpeted on the front
pages of newspapers around the world, instantly establishing
Einstein's popular reputation.
5) General relativity says that the geometrical curvature induced
by a massive object does not arise everywhere instantaneously.
Rather, it travels outward from its source at the speed of light.
Thus, if a massive object alters its shape or orientation, or if
a collection of objects changes its spatial arrangement, the
gravitational effect -- the curvature of spacetime -- propagates
away as a gravitational wave.
6) A gravitational wave may be described as a time-varying
distortion of the geometry of space, temporarily altering the
effective distance between any given pair of points. If the
causative shift in mass is abrupt, the wave will take the form of
a short pulse, much like the ripple produced after dropping a
rock into a still pond. In the case of a periodic change, the
wave will be sustained, much like the carrier wave for a
broadcast radio signal. In either case, the amplitude of the wave
will be inversely proportional to the distance from the source.
Unlike ordinary gravitational acceleration, which always points
toward the source, a gravitational wave acts perpendicularly to
the direction in which it is traveling, and thus is called a
transverse wave. In this sense it is like light, rather than like
sound, which propagates as longitudinal waves.(1-5)
References (abridged):
1. Barish, B. C., and R. Weiss. 1999. LIGO and the detection of
gravitational waves. Physics Today 52(10):44-50
2. Lyne, A. G., M. Burgay, M. Kramer, A. Possenti, R. N.
Manchester, F. Camilo, M. A. McLaughlin, D. R. Lorimer, N.
D'Amico, B. C. Joshi, J. Reynolds and P. C. C. Freire. 2004. A
double-pulsar system: A rare laboratory for relativistic gravity
and plasma physics. Science 303:1153-1157
3. Saulson, P. R. 1994. Fundamentals of Interferometric
Gravitational Wave Detectors. Singapore: World Scientific.
Schutz, B. S. 2003. Gravity from the Ground Up. Cambridge, U.K.:
Cambridge University Press
4. Taylor, J. H., and J. M. Weisberg. 1982. A new test of general
relativity: Gravitational radiation and the binary pulsar PSR
1913+16. Astrophysical Journal 253:908-920
5. Will, C. M. 1993. Was Einstein Right? Putting General
Relativity to the Test. New York: Basic Books
American Scientist http://www.americanscientist.org
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
On Oct 11 on the Public Service stations, Nova will have a show on
Einstein.
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11 Oct 2005 09:10:11 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:35:31 -0700, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:41:27 -0700, Sir Frederick
<mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
HISTORY OF PHYSICS: EINSTEIN AGAINST PHYSICAL REVIEW JOURNAL
ScienceWeek http://scienceweek.com
The following points are made by Daniel Kennefick (Physics Today
2005 September):
1) Albert Einstein had two careers as a professional physicist,
the first spent through 1933 entirely at German-speaking
universities in central Europe, the second at the Institute for
Advanced Studies in Princeton, New Jersey, from 1933 until his
death in 1955. During the first period he generally published in
German physics journals, most famously the Annalen der Physik,
where all five of his celebrated papers of 1905 appeared.
2) After relocating to the US, Einstein began to publish
frequently in North American journals. Of those, the Physical
Review, then under the editorship of John Tate, was rapidly
assuming the mantle of the world's premier journal of physics.[1]
Einstein first published there in 1931 on the first of three
winter visits to Caltech. With Nathan Rosen, his first American
assistant, Einstein published two more papers in the Physical
Review: the famous 1935 paper by Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and
Rosen (EPR) and a 1936 paper that introduced the concept of the
Einstein-Rosen bridge, nowadays better known as a wormhole. But
except for a letter to the journal's editor he wrote in 1952 --
in response to a paper critical of his unified field theory work
-- that 1936 paper was the last Einstein would ever publish
there.
3) Einstein stopped submitting work to the Physical Review after
receiving a negative critique from the journal in response to a
paper he had written with Rosen on gravitational waves later in
1936.[2] That much has long been known, at least to the editors
of Einstein's collected papers. But the story of Einstein's
subsequent interaction with the referee in that case is not well
known to physicists outside of the gravitational-wave community.
Last March, the journal's current editor-in-chief, Martin Blume,
and his colleagues uncovered the journal's logbook records from
the era, a find that has confirmed the suspicions about that
referee's identity.[3] Moreover, the story raises the possibility
that Einstein's gravitational-wave paper with Rosen may have been
his only genuine encounter with anonymous peer review. Einstein,
who reacted angrily to the referee report, would have been well
advised to pay more attention to its criticisms, which proved to
be valid.
4) Einstein introduced gravitational waves into his theory of
general relativity in 1916, within a few months of finding the
correct form of the field equations for it. Although the concept
of gravitational radiation was then relatively new and no
experimental evidence existed to support it, the analogy with the
case of the electromagnetic field was so compelling that by the
1930s most scientists thought that gravitational waves must exist
in principle. Nevertheless, in 1936 Einstein wrote to his friend
Max Born:
"Together with a young collaborator, I arrived at the interesting
result that gravitational waves do not exist, though they had
been assumed a certainty to the first approximation. This shows
that the non-linear general relativistic field equations can tell
us more or, rather, limit us more than we have believed up to
now."[4]
Einstein submitted this research to the Physical Review under the
title "Do Gravitational Waves Exist?" with Rosen as coauthor.
Although the original version of the paper no longer exists,
Einstein's answer to the title question, to judge from his letter
to Born, was "No". It is remarkable that at this stage in his
career Einstein was prepared to believe that gravitational waves
did not exist, but he also managed to convince his new assistant,
Leopold Infeld, who replaced Rosen in 1936, that his argument was
valid.[5]
References (abridged):
1. A. Pais, in The Physical Review: The First Hundred Years, H.
H. Stoke, ed., AIP Press, New York (1995), p. 1
2. A. Pais, "Subtle is the Lord": The Science and Life of Albert
Einstein, Oxford U. Press, New York (1982), p. 494
3. D. Kennefick, in The Expanding Worlds of General Relativity,
H. Goenner, J. Renn, J. Ritter, T. Sauer, eds., Birkh"user-
Verlag, Boston (1999), p. 207
4. A. Einstein, The Born-Einstein Letters: Friendship, Politics,
and Physics in Uncertain Times, MacMillan, New York (2005), p.
122
5. L. Infeld, Quest: An Autobiography, Chelsea, New York (1980)
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
--------------------------------
Related Material:
ON GRAVITATIONAL WAVES
The following points are made by B.C. Barish and R. Weiss
(Physics Today October 1999):
1) The idea of gravitational waves was already implicit in the
1905 special theory of relativity, with its finite limiting speed
for information transfer. The explicit formulation for
gravitational waves in general relativity was put forward by
Einstein in 1916 and 1918. He showed that the acceleration of
masses generates time-dependent gravitational fields that
propagate away from their source at the speed of light as
warpages of spacetime. Such a propagating warpage is called a
"gravitational wave".
2) The best empirical evidence we have of the existence of
gravitational radiation is indirect. It comes from the 1974
discovery and beautiful observations, by Russell Hulse and Joseph
Taylor, of the first binary pulsar ever found. Exploiting the
clockwork pulsar signal from the neutron star, they were able to
monitor the orbital period of the binary star system with
exquisite precision and confirm that it was indeed gradually
speeding up at just the rate predicted for the general-
relativistic emission of gravitational waves.
3) The direct detection of gravitational waves will mark the
opening of a new window on the near and far reaches of the
Cosmos. For physics, its most important promise is the direct
observation of gravitation in highly relativistic settings, so
that one can test general relativity in the strong-field limit,
where it is not merely a small correction to Newtonian gravity.
In that limit, the strong curvature of the spacetime geometry
should show us fundamentally new physics.
Physics Today http://www.physicstoday.org
--------------------------------
Related Material:
On Oct 11 on the Public Service stations, Nova will have a show on
Einstein.
Thanks, I shall watch that!
--
Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
*************************
Phrase of the week :
"All this worldly wisdom was once the unamiable heresy of some wise man."
-Henry David Thoreau
:-))))Snort!)
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08 Oct 2005 10:52:14 PM |
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Sir Frederick wrote something.
Roger replies:
Of course Einstein was wrong about some things and right about other
things, nobody is perfect, especially not when working with new
theories in the field of science.
Your thinking here says a lot more about you than about Einstein.
You are looking for somebody who is absolutely right, who can do no
wrong, somebody wothy of worshipping, and Einstein doesn't fit the
bill.
So what?
What does it say about you and your mind that you criticize people for
not being God, the way you want God to be?
--
Roger J.
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09 Oct 2005 12:55:29 AM |
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On 2005-10-08 20:52:14 -0700, "Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> said:
Sir Frederick wrote something.
Roger replies:
Of course Einstein was wrong about some things and right about other
things, nobody is perfect, especially not when working with new
theories in the field of science.
Your thinking here says a lot more about you than about Einstein.
You are looking for somebody who is absolutely right, who can do no
wrong, somebody wothy of worshipping, and Einstein doesn't fit the
bill.
So what?
What does it say about you and your mind that you criticize people for
not being God, the way you want God to be?
Doesn't Mr. Frederick's basic monism require him to write off God or
worship as folk tales? Apparently the cosmos is explained by
engineering and human nature is illuminated through the study of neural
networks.
--
~Stu
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09 Oct 2005 02:04:40 AM |
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On 8 Oct 2005 20:52:14 -0700, "Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir Frederick wrote something.
Roger replies:
Of course Einstein was wrong about some things and right about other
things, nobody is perfect, especially not when working with new
theories in the field of science.
Your thinking here says a lot more about you than about Einstein.
You are looking for somebody who is absolutely right, who can do no
wrong, somebody wothy of worshipping, and Einstein doesn't fit the
bill.
So what?
What does it say about you and your mind that you criticize people for
not being God, the way you want God to be?
I am such a ***** head.
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09 Oct 2005 03:33:30 AM |
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Sir Frederick <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in
news:13ghk19uoh0u6gdad3a136n3mbpa2n97bs@4ax.com:
What does it say about you and your mind that you criticize people for
not being God, the way you want God to be?
I am such a ***** head.
LOL.
Roger is one amusing correspondent, Fred. Keep him going --- you'll get a
lot of laughs.
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09 Oct 2005 05:56:12 AM |
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Publius wrote:
Sir Frederick <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in
What does it say about you and your mind that you criticize people for
not being God, the way you want God to be?
I am such a ***** head.
LOL.
Roger is ...
It is easy to see who I am. I have declared openly where I come from
and how my thinking has evolved through my life.
Where do you come from, and what agenda do you have?
Are you just another ***** too?
How do they produce all these shitheads that think it
is so funny to spam usenet?
Where does all your "humor" come from?
Have you drunk a thousand cups of coffee, or taken amphetamine,
or are you together with a really fat woman?
Who profits from creating such speeded minds and who profits
from all the crap they produce?
Who are you used by, whose interests are you serving?
--
Roger J.
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09 Oct 2005 03:10:04 PM |
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"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1128855372.100255.56850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
It is easy to see who I am. I have declared openly where I come from
and how my thinking has evolved through my life.
No one cares who you are or how your thinking evolved. What matters is how
coherent and accurate it is.
Who are you used by, whose interests are you serving?
Used by no one, serving my own, always. As are you.
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09 Oct 2005 03:41:33 PM |
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Publius wrote:
"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote
It is easy to see who I am. I have declared openly where I come from
and how my thinking has evolved through my life.
No one cares who you are or how your thinking evolved. What matters is how
coherent and accurate it is.
Who are you used by, whose interests are you serving?
Used by no one, serving my own, always. As are you.
You use the pseudonym "Publius" and do not use your real name.
You refuse to declare where you are coming from, how your
ideas and thinking has evolved.
Do you really think you can be taken seriously in the field
of philosophy with that kind of mickey-mouse identity?
Your views are not unique or new in any way, you just repeat
the neo-liberal american capitalist propaganda.
I can't see any reason to take you seriously and I don't think
anybody with half a brain would. You are just another spammer
on usenet.
Yes, I know you think you are very intelligent, but if you
read your own messages after a few days, can you see anything
of philosophical significance in them?
Could it be that you are just a speeded young man who
doesn't know where to get rid of all energy you get from
your social relations? Or you could be an alcoholic or drug
user, the symptoms are very similar to those of an
arrogant young punk.
Let me just remind you that everything we write is saved forever.
It is stored in deep mountain caves, guaranteed to survive even
a nuclear war. Googlegroups is just one of many places which
store everything we write.
Your children and your grandchildren will look you up and read
what their forefather wrote. The first one in our family
who wrote and discussed publically.
That could become an assignment in school for your grandchildren:
"Find the first in your family who authored articles on internet,
and copy his best article to this memory plate in platinum."
Will they be able to be proud of your behavior?
Think about that every time you write a message in
usenet in the future.
--
Roger J.
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09 Oct 2005 04:29:27 PM |
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"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1128890493.916275.59360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
You use the pseudonym "Publius" and do not use your real name.
You refuse to declare where you are coming from, how your
ideas and thinking has evolved.
This is alt.philosophy, not alt.biography. The relevant questions here are
the validity of arguments, not the life story of the poster.
Your views are not unique or new in any way, you just repeat
the neo-liberal american capitalist propaganda.
The Pythagorean Theorem is not new either, and anyone who asserted it would
not be asserting anything unique. It is a pretty sound and useful idea
though.
Could it be that you are just a speeded young man who
doesn't know where to get rid of all energy you get from
your social relations? Or you could be an alcoholic or drug
user, the symptoms are very similar to those of an
arrogant young punk.
*Ad hominems* don't refute arguments either.
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