Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it)



 Science > Philosophy > Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it)

LINK TO THIS PAGE  


rating :  0   |  0


  Page 1 of 1

1

 
Topic: Science > Philosophy
User: ""
Date: 16 Oct 2004 01:39:55 AM
Object: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it)

"I submit Steven Pinker's new book _The Blank Slate_. In it he cites
Eric Turkheimer's work in genetic behavioral studies. A lot of behavior
(50%) does not come from without. Its innate. None to a marginal % comes
from the nurturing environment but then rest of the % comes from the
"unique environment" the subjects have selected in their life. "
Jillar
=A92003 Google
Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.
Jillar
.

User: "The Immortalist"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 12:10:20 PM
wrote in message news:<11614-4170C23B-437@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net>...

"I submit Steven Pinker's new book The Blank Slate . In it he cites
Eric Turkheimer's work in genetic behavioral studies. A lot of behavior
(50%) does not come from without. Its innate. None to a marginal % comes
from the nurturing environment but then rest of the % comes from the
"unique environment" the subjects have selected in their life. "

If 50% comes from without then the information in the article is
relevent. And the participants who observe another beating on the doll
or those who view violence on tv beat on the dolls more than thos who
don't. This leaves room for tempermental differences of instinct which
have been accented at critical stages of development. (the part Pinker
is trying to revise his knowledge on now)
The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/
Several years ago, Albert Bandura and his colleagues conducted a
series of classic experiments. The basic procedure in these studies
was to have an adult knock around a plastic, air-filled "Bobo" doll
(the kind that bounces back after it has been knocked down). Sometimes
the adult accompanied her physical aggression with verbal abuse
against the doll. Children who watched the adult were then allowed to
play with the doll. In these experiments, not only did the children
imitate the aggressive models, they also engaged in other forms of
aggressive behavior after having witnessed the aggressive behavior of
the adult. In short, the children did more than copy the behavior of
an adult; seeing a person behave aggressively served as an impetus for
them to engage in innovative aggressive behavior. We call this process
social learning. Why are these experiments considered so important?
Who cares what happens to a Bobo doll, anyway? Stay tuned.
One particularly powerful set of agents of social learning are the
mass media — especially television. There is no doubt that television
plays a major role in the socialization of children. There is also no
doubt that TV remains steeped in violence. According to a recent
study, 58 percent of all TV programs contain violence — and, of those,
78 percent are without remorse, criticism, or penalty for that
violence. Indeed, some 40 percent of the violent incidents seen on TV
were initiated by characters portrayed as heroes or other attractive
role models for children.
Exactly what do children learn from watching violence on TV? A number
of long-term studies indicate that the more violence individuals watch
on TV as children, the more violence they exhibit years later as
teenagers and young adults. In a typical study of this kind, (1)
teenagers are asked to recall which shows they watched on TV when they
were kids and how frequently they watched them. (2) The shows are
rated independently by judges for level of violence. (3) The general
aggressiveness of the teenagers is rated independently by their
teachers and classmates. Not only is there a high correlation between
the amount of violent TV watched and the viewer's subsequent
aggressiveness, but the impact also accumulates over time; that is,
the strength of the correlation increases with age. While these are
fairly powerful data, they do not definitively prove that watching a
lot of violence on TV causes children to become violent teenagers.
After all, it is at least conceivable that the aggressive kids were
born with a tendency to enjoy violence and that this enjoyment
manifests itself in both their aggressive behavior and their liking to
watch violence on TV. Once again, we see the value of the controlled
experiment in helping us to understand what causes what. In order to
demonstrate conclusively that watching violence on TV actually causes
violent behavior, the relationship must be shown experimentally.
Because this is an issue of great importance to society, it has been
well researched. The overwhelming thrust of the experimental evidence
demonstrates that watching violence does indeed increase the frequency
of aggressive behavior in children. For example, in an early
experiment on this issue, Robert Liebert and Robert Baron exposed a
group of children to an extremely violent TV episode of a police
drama. In a control condition, a similar group of children were
exposed to an exciting but nonviolent TV sporting event for the same
length of time. Each child was then allowed to play in another room
with a group of other children. Those who had watched the violent
police drama showed far more aggression against their playmates than
those who had watched the sporting event.
A subsequent experiment by Wendy Josephson showed, as one might
expect, that watching TV violence has the greatest impact on
youngsters who are somewhat prone to violence to begin with. In this
experiment, youngsters were exposed to either a film depicting a great
deal of police violence or an exciting nonviolent film about bike
racing. The youngsters then played a game of floor hockey. Watching
the violent film had the effect of increasing the number of aggressive
acts committed during the hockey game— primarily by those youngsters
who had previously been rated as highly aggressive by their teachers.
These kids hit others with their sticks, threw elbows, and yelled
aggressively at their opponents to a much greater extent than either
the kids rated as nonaggressive who had also watched the violent film
or those rated as aggressive who had watched the nonviolent film.
Thus, it may be that watching media violence gives aggressive kids
permission to express their aggression. Josephson's experiment
suggests that youngsters who do not have aggressive tendencies to
begin with do not necessarily act aggressively—at least, not on the
basis of seeing only one violent film.
That last phrase is an important one because it may be that even
youngsters who are not prone toward aggression will become more
aggressive if exposed to a steady diet of violent films over a long
period. That is exactly what was found in a set of field experiments
performed by Ross Parke and his colleagues. In these experiments,
different groups of children were exposed to differing amounts of
media violence over an extended period of time. In these experiments,
the great majority of the kids (even those without strong aggressive
tendencies) who were exposed to a high degree of media violence over a
long period were more aggressive than those who watched more benign
shows.
We might mention, in passing, that at a recent congressional hearing
on TV violence, it was estimated that the average 12-year-old has
witnessed more than 100,000 acts of violence on television. We mention
this because we believe that one of the crucial factors involved in
the above findings (in addition to social learning and imitation) is
the simple phenomenon of priming. That is, just as exposing children
to rifles and other weapons left lying around the house or the
laboratory tends to increase the probability of an aggressive response
when children subsequently experience pain or frustration, so too
might exposing them to an endless supply of violence in films and on
TV.
Thus far, in discussing the effects of media violence, we have focused
much of our attention on children — and for good reason. Youngsters
are, by definition, much more malleable than adults; that is, it is
generally assumed that their attitudes and behaviors can be more
deeply influenced by the things they view. But the effect of media
violence on violent behavior may not be limited to children. On
numerous occasions, adult violence seems to be a case of life
imitating art. For example, a few years ago, a man drove his truck
through the window of a crowded cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, and began
shooting people at random. By the time the police arrived, he had
killed 22 people, making this the most destructive shooting spree in
American history. He then turned the gun on himself. In his pocket,
police found a ticket stub to Fisher King, a film depicting a deranged
man firing a shotgun into a crowded bar, killing several people.
Did seeing the film cause the violent act? We cannot be sure. But we
do know that violence in the media can and does have a profound impact
on the behavior of adults. Several years ago, David Phillips
scrutinized the daily homicide rates in the United States and found
that they almost always increased during the week following a
heavyweight boxing match. Moreover, the more publicity surrounding the
fight, the greater the subsequent increase in homicides. Still more
striking, the race of prizefight losers was related to the race of
murder victims after the fights: After white boxers lost fights, there
was a corresponding increase in the murder of white men but not of
black men; after black boxers lost fights, there was a corresponding
increase in the murder of black men but not of white men. Phillips's
results are convincing; they are far too consistent to be dismissed as
merely a fluke. Again, this should not be construed as indicating that
all people or even a sizable percentage of people are motivated to
commit violence after watching media violence. But the fact that some
people are influenced—and that the results can be tragic—cannot be
denied.
The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar

.
User: "Patrioaf"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 01:09:54 PM
"The Immortalist" <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9353ae8c.0410160910.2c4517fc@posting.google.com...

jillarontown@webtv.net wrote in message
news:<11614-4170C23B-437@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net>...

"I submit Steven Pinker's new book The Blank Slate . In it he cites
Eric Turkheimer's work in genetic behavioral studies. A lot of behavior
(50%) does not come from without. Its innate. None to a marginal % comes
from the nurturing environment but then rest of the % comes from the
"unique environment" the subjects have selected in their life. "


If 50% comes from without then the information in the article is
relevent. And the participants who observe another beating on the doll
or those who view violence on tv beat on the dolls more than thos who
don't. This leaves room for tempermental differences of instinct which
have been accented at critical stages of development. (the part Pinker
is trying to revise his knowledge on now)

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Several years ago, Albert Bandura and his colleagues conducted a
series of classic experiments. The basic procedure in these studies
was to have an adult knock around a plastic, air-filled "Bobo" doll
(the kind that bounces back after it has been knocked down). Sometimes
the adult accompanied her physical aggression with verbal abuse
against the doll. Children who watched the adult were then allowed to
play with the doll. In these experiments, not only did the children
imitate the aggressive models, they also engaged in other forms of
aggressive behavior after having witnessed the aggressive behavior of
the adult. In short, the children did more than copy the behavior of
an adult; seeing a person behave aggressively served as an impetus for
them to engage in innovative aggressive behavior. We call this process
social learning. Why are these experiments considered so important?
Who cares what happens to a Bobo doll, anyway? Stay tuned.

One particularly powerful set of agents of social learning are the
mass media - especially television. There is no doubt that television
plays a major role in the socialization of children. There is also no
doubt that TV remains steeped in violence. According to a recent
study, 58 percent of all TV programs contain violence - and, of those,
78 percent are without remorse, criticism, or penalty for that
violence. Indeed, some 40 percent of the violent incidents seen on TV
were initiated by characters portrayed as heroes or other attractive
role models for children.

Exactly what do children learn from watching violence on TV? A number
of long-term studies indicate that the more violence individuals watch
on TV as children, the more violence they exhibit years later as
teenagers and young adults. In a typical study of this kind, (1)
teenagers are asked to recall which shows they watched on TV when they
were kids and how frequently they watched them. (2) The shows are
rated independently by judges for level of violence. (3) The general
aggressiveness of the teenagers is rated independently by their
teachers and classmates. Not only is there a high correlation between
the amount of violent TV watched and the viewer's subsequent
aggressiveness, but the impact also accumulates over time; that is,
the strength of the correlation increases with age. While these are
fairly powerful data, they do not definitively prove that watching a
lot of violence on TV causes children to become violent teenagers.
After all, it is at least conceivable that the aggressive kids were
born with a tendency to enjoy violence and that this enjoyment
manifests itself in both their aggressive behavior and their liking to
watch violence on TV. Once again, we see the value of the controlled
experiment in helping us to understand what causes what. In order to
demonstrate conclusively that watching violence on TV actually causes
violent behavior, the relationship must be shown experimentally.

Because this is an issue of great importance to society, it has been
well researched. The overwhelming thrust of the experimental evidence
demonstrates that watching violence does indeed increase the frequency
of aggressive behavior in children. For example, in an early
experiment on this issue, Robert Liebert and Robert Baron exposed a
group of children to an extremely violent TV episode of a police
drama. In a control condition, a similar group of children were
exposed to an exciting but nonviolent TV sporting event for the same
length of time. Each child was then allowed to play in another room
with a group of other children. Those who had watched the violent
police drama showed far more aggression against their playmates than
those who had watched the sporting event.

A subsequent experiment by Wendy Josephson showed, as one might
expect, that watching TV violence has the greatest impact on
youngsters who are somewhat prone to violence to begin wi th.Inthis
experiment, youngsters were exposed to either a film depicting a great
deal of police violence or an exciting nonviolent film about bike
racing. The youngsters then played a game of floor hockey. Watching
the violent film had the effect of increasing the number of aggressive
acts committed during the hockey game- primarily by those youngsters
who had previously been rated as highly aggressive by their teachers.
These kids hit others with their sticks, threw elbows, and yelled
aggressively at their opponents to a much greater extent than either
the kids rated as nonaggressive who had also watched the violent film
or those rated as aggressive who had watched the nonviolent film.
Thus, it may be that watching media violence gives aggressive kids
permission to express their aggression. Josephson's experiment
suggests that youngsters who do not have aggressive tendencies to
begin with do not necessarily act aggressively-at least, not on the
basis of seeing only one violent film.

That last phrase is an important one because it may be that even
youngsters who are not prone toward aggression will become more
aggressive if exposed to a steady diet of violent films over a long
period. That is exactly what was found in a set of field experiments
performed by Ross Parke and his colleagues. In these experiments,
different groups of children were exposed to differing amounts of
media violence over an extended period of time. In these experiments,
the great majority of the kids (even those without strong aggressive
tendencies) who were exposed to a high degree of media violence over a
long period were more aggressive than those who watched more benign
shows.

We might mention, in passing, that at a recent congressional hearing
on TV violence, it was estimated that the average 12-year-old has
witnessed more than 100,000 acts of violence on television. We mention
this because we believe that one of the crucial factors involved in
the above findings (in addition to social learning and imitation) is
the simple phenomenon of priming. That is, just as exposing children
to rifles and other weapons left lying around the house or the
laboratory tends to increase the probability of an aggressive response
when children subsequently experience pain or frustration, so too
might exposing them to an endless supply of violence in films and on
TV.

Thus far, in discussing the effects of media violence, we have focused
much of our attention on children - and for good reason. Youngsters
are, by definition, much more malleable than adults; that is, it is
generally assumed that their attitudes and behaviors can be more
deeply influenced by the things they view. But the effect of media
violence on violent behavior may not be limited to children. On
numerous occasions, adult violence seems to be a case of life
imitating art. For example, a few years ago, a man drove his truck
through the window of a crowded cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, and began
shooting people at random. By the time the police arrived, he had
killed 22 people, making this the most destructive shooting spree in
American history. He then turned the gun on himself. In his pocket,
police found a ticket stub to Fisher King, a film depicting a deranged
man firing a shotgun into a crowded bar, killing several people.

Did seeing the film cause the violent act? We cannot be sure. But we
do know that violence in the media can and does have a profound impact
on the behavior of adults. Several years ago, David Phillips
scrutinized the daily homicide rates in the United States and found
that they almost always increased during the week following a
heavyweight boxing match. Moreover, the more publicity surrounding the
fight, the greater the subsequent increase in homicides. Still more
striking, the race of prizefight losers was related to the race of
murder victims after the fights: After white boxers lost fights, there
was a corresponding increase in the murder of white men but not of
black men; after black boxers lost fights, there was a corresponding
increase in the murder of black men but not of white men. Phillips's
results are convincing; they are far too consistent to be dismissed as
merely a fluke. Again, this should not be construed as indicating that
all people or even a sizable percentage of people are motivated to
commit violence after watching media violence. But the fact that some
people are influenced-and that the results can be tragic-cannot be
denied.

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar

Fundys enjoy violence. It's sex that scrambles their thinking.
Killing is Biblical. Sex is dirty work, but what the hell! Someone
has to do it. Hey Buford! Brang me a sheep!
.
User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 01:37:30 PM
"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:SMWdneHke4Jp_uzcRVn-tA@comcast.com...


<snipped tv induced beatings of blow up dolls>

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar


Fundys enjoy violence. It's sex that scrambles their thinking.

Killing is Biblical. Sex is dirty work, but what the hell! Someone
has to do it. Hey Buford! Brang me a sheep!

I think your confusing the libertarian orriented conservatives with the religious
right conservatives. But the idea was to get the liberal caught inbetween with
his pants down so your thesis is pointing in a hopeful direction.


.
User: "Patrioaf"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 02:01:14 PM
"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8--dnQyAD-yc9uzcRVn-qg@comcast.com...


"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:SMWdneHke4Jp_uzcRVn-tA@comcast.com...



<snipped tv induced beatings of blow up dolls>

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal
percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as
peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar


Fundys enjoy violence. It's sex that scrambles their thinking.

Killing is Biblical. Sex is dirty work, but what the hell! Someone
has to do it. Hey Buford! Brang me a sheep!


I think your confusing the libertarian orriented conservatives with the
religious
right conservatives. But the idea was to get the liberal caught inbetween
with
his pants down so your thesis is pointing in a hopeful direction.

Yeah Right! Let's pretend the Fundys ain't in control.
"Hey Buford! You seen any Libertarians?" "Naw, Jest
the one that signs out books down at tha Libertary."





.
User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 02:38:58 PM
"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:-JydnX0tmsRh8uzcRVn-jQ@comcast.com...


"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8--dnQyAD-yc9uzcRVn-qg@comcast.com...


"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:SMWdneHke4Jp_uzcRVn-tA@comcast.com...



<snipped tv induced beatings of blow up dolls>

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal
percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as
peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar


Fundys enjoy violence. It's sex that scrambles their thinking.

Killing is Biblical. Sex is dirty work, but what the hell! Someone
has to do it. Hey Buford! Brang me a sheep!


I think your confusing the libertarian orriented conservatives with the
religious
right conservatives. But the idea was to get the liberal caught inbetween
with
his pants down so your thesis is pointing in a hopeful direction.


Yeah Right! Let's pretend the Fundys ain't in control.

"Hey Buford! You seen any Libertarians?" "Naw, Jest
the one that signs out books down at tha Libertary."

Q. How many Libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
A. None, the market will take care of it.








.
User: "Patrioaf"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 02:48:35 PM
"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fMWdnYLQjtX35OzcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...


"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:-JydnX0tmsRh8uzcRVn-jQ@comcast.com...


"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8--dnQyAD-yc9uzcRVn-qg@comcast.com...


"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:SMWdneHke4Jp_uzcRVn-tA@comcast.com...



<snipped tv induced beatings of blow up dolls>

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal
percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from
the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as
peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar


Fundys enjoy violence. It's sex that scrambles their thinking.

Killing is Biblical. Sex is dirty work, but what the hell! Someone
has to do it. Hey Buford! Brang me a sheep!


I think your confusing the libertarian orriented conservatives with the
religious
right conservatives. But the idea was to get the liberal caught
inbetween
with
his pants down so your thesis is pointing in a hopeful direction.


Yeah Right! Let's pretend the Fundys ain't in control.

"Hey Buford! You seen any Libertarians?" "Naw, Jest
the one that signs out books down at tha Libertary."


Q. How many Libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?

A. None, the market will take care of it.

How many "Centrists" does it take to think?
None. Google will do it for them.











.
User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 03:13:49 PM
"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:5p-dnf7YpZeL5uzcRVn-pA@comcast.com...


"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fMWdnYLQjtX35OzcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...


How many "Centrists" does it take to think?

None. Google will do it for them.

http://images.google.com/images?q=toothless
















.
User: "Patrioaf"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 03:24:56 PM
"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:M6KdnRVsu8QIHOzcRVn-tg@comcast.com...


"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:5p-dnf7YpZeL5uzcRVn-pA@comcast.com...


"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fMWdnYLQjtX35OzcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...



How many "Centrists" does it take to think?

None. Google will do it for them.


http://images.google.com/images?q=toothless

Scripture for "Centrist"
http://bible.cc/matthew/19-12.htm



















.
User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 03:42:24 PM
"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:DP2dnZRFh55FHuzcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...


"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:M6KdnRVsu8QIHOzcRVn-tg@comcast.com...


"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:5p-dnf7YpZeL5uzcRVn-pA@comcast.com...


"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fMWdnYLQjtX35OzcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...



How many "Centrists" does it take to think?

None. Google will do it for them.


http://images.google.com/images?q=toothless


Scripture for "Centrist"

http://bible.cc/matthew/19-12.htm

Q: Why was Adam a famous runner?
A: Because he was first in the human race.
Q: Did all the animals on the ark come in pairs?
A: No the worms came in apples.





















.








User: "Patrioaf"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 12:40:08 PM
Do you believe what you Google? It usually contradicts
your political babblings in support of the despotic rightwing
wacko fundys.
Perhaps you have multiple personality disorder. That
would make you a double Fundy.
"The Immortalist" <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9353ae8c.0410160910.2c4517fc@posting.google.com...

jillarontown@webtv.net wrote in message
news:<11614-4170C23B-437@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net>...

"I submit Steven Pinker's new book The Blank Slate . In it he cites
Eric Turkheimer's work in genetic behavioral studies. A lot of behavior
(50%) does not come from without. Its innate. None to a marginal % comes
from the nurturing environment but then rest of the % comes from the
"unique environment" the subjects have selected in their life. "


If 50% comes from without then the information in the article is
relevent. And the participants who observe another beating on the doll
or those who view violence on tv beat on the dolls more than thos who
don't. This leaves room for tempermental differences of instinct which
have been accented at critical stages of development. (the part Pinker
is trying to revise his knowledge on now)

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Several years ago, Albert Bandura and his colleagues conducted a
series of classic experiments. The basic procedure in these studies
was to have an adult knock around a plastic, air-filled "Bobo" doll
(the kind that bounces back after it has been knocked down). Sometimes
the adult accompanied her physical aggression with verbal abuse
against the doll. Children who watched the adult were then allowed to
play with the doll. In these experiments, not only did the children
imitate the aggressive models, they also engaged in other forms of
aggressive behavior after having witnessed the aggressive behavior of
the adult. In short, the children did more than copy the behavior of
an adult; seeing a person behave aggressively served as an impetus for
them to engage in innovative aggressive behavior. We call this process
social learning. Why are these experiments considered so important?
Who cares what happens to a Bobo doll, anyway? Stay tuned.

One particularly powerful set of agents of social learning are the
mass media - especially television. There is no doubt that television
plays a major role in the socialization of children. There is also no
doubt that TV remains steeped in violence. According to a recent
study, 58 percent of all TV programs contain violence - and, of those,
78 percent are without remorse, criticism, or penalty for that
violence. Indeed, some 40 percent of the violent incidents seen on TV
were initiated by characters portrayed as heroes or other attractive
role models for children.

Exactly what do children learn from watching violence on TV? A number
of long-term studies indicate that the more violence individuals watch
on TV as children, the more violence they exhibit years later as
teenagers and young adults. In a typical study of this kind, (1)
teenagers are asked to recall which shows they watched on TV when they
were kids and how frequently they watched them. (2) The shows are
rated independently by judges for level of violence. (3) The general
aggressiveness of the teenagers is rated independently by their
teachers and classmates. Not only is there a high correlation between
the amount of violent TV watched and the viewer's subsequent
aggressiveness, but the impact also accumulates over time; that is,
the strength of the correlation increases with age. While these are
fairly powerful data, they do not definitively prove that watching a
lot of violence on TV causes children to become violent teenagers.
After all, it is at least conceivable that the aggressive kids were
born with a tendency to enjoy violence and that this enjoyment
manifests itself in both their aggressive behavior and their liking to
watch violence on TV. Once again, we see the value of the controlled
experiment in helping us to understand what causes what. In order to
demonstrate conclusively that watching violence on TV actually causes
violent behavior, the relationship must be shown experimentally.

Because this is an issue of great importance to society, it has been
well researched. The overwhelming thrust of the experimental evidence
demonstrates that watching violence does indeed increase the frequency
of aggressive behavior in children. For example, in an early
experiment on this issue, Robert Liebert and Robert Baron exposed a
group of children to an extremely violent TV episode of a police
drama. In a control condition, a similar group of children were
exposed to an exciting but nonviolent TV sporting event for the same
length of time. Each child was then allowed to play in another room
with a group of other children. Those who had watched the violent
police drama showed far more aggression against their playmates than
those who had watched the sporting event.

A subsequent experiment by Wendy Josephson showed, as one might
expect, that watching TV violence has the greatest impact on
youngsters who are somewhat prone to violence to begin wi th.Inthis
experiment, youngsters were exposed to either a film depicting a great
deal of police violence or an exciting nonviolent film about bike
racing. The youngsters then played a game of floor hockey. Watching
the violent film had the effect of increasing the number of aggressive
acts committed during the hockey game- primarily by those youngsters
who had previously been rated as highly aggressive by their teachers.
These kids hit others with their sticks, threw elbows, and yelled
aggressively at their opponents to a much greater extent than either
the kids rated as nonaggressive who had also watched the violent film
or those rated as aggressive who had watched the nonviolent film.
Thus, it may be that watching media violence gives aggressive kids
permission to express their aggression. Josephson's experiment
suggests that youngsters who do not have aggressive tendencies to
begin with do not necessarily act aggressively-at least, not on the
basis of seeing only one violent film.

That last phrase is an important one because it may be that even
youngsters who are not prone toward aggression will become more
aggressive if exposed to a steady diet of violent films over a long
period. That is exactly what was found in a set of field experiments
performed by Ross Parke and his colleagues. In these experiments,
different groups of children were exposed to differing amounts of
media violence over an extended period of time. In these experiments,
the great majority of the kids (even those without strong aggressive
tendencies) who were exposed to a high degree of media violence over a
long period were more aggressive than those who watched more benign
shows.

We might mention, in passing, that at a recent congressional hearing
on TV violence, it was estimated that the average 12-year-old has
witnessed more than 100,000 acts of violence on television. We mention
this because we believe that one of the crucial factors involved in
the above findings (in addition to social learning and imitation) is
the simple phenomenon of priming. That is, just as exposing children
to rifles and other weapons left lying around the house or the
laboratory tends to increase the probability of an aggressive response
when children subsequently experience pain or frustration, so too
might exposing them to an endless supply of violence in films and on
TV.

Thus far, in discussing the effects of media violence, we have focused
much of our attention on children - and for good reason. Youngsters
are, by definition, much more malleable than adults; that is, it is
generally assumed that their attitudes and behaviors can be more
deeply influenced by the things they view. But the effect of media
violence on violent behavior may not be limited to children. On
numerous occasions, adult violence seems to be a case of life
imitating art. For example, a few years ago, a man drove his truck
through the window of a crowded cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, and began
shooting people at random. By the time the police arrived, he had
killed 22 people, making this the most destructive shooting spree in
American history. He then turned the gun on himself. In his pocket,
police found a ticket stub to Fisher King, a film depicting a deranged
man firing a shotgun into a crowded bar, killing several people.

Did seeing the film cause the violent act? We cannot be sure. But we
do know that violence in the media can and does have a profound impact
on the behavior of adults. Several years ago, David Phillips
scrutinized the daily homicide rates in the United States and found
that they almost always increased during the week following a
heavyweight boxing match. Moreover, the more publicity surrounding the
fight, the greater the subsequent increase in homicides. Still more
striking, the race of prizefight losers was related to the race of
murder victims after the fights: After white boxers lost fights, there
was a corresponding increase in the murder of white men but not of
black men; after black boxers lost fights, there was a corresponding
increase in the murder of black men but not of white men. Phillips's
results are convincing; they are far too consistent to be dismissed as
merely a fluke. Again, this should not be construed as indicating that
all people or even a sizable percentage of people are motivated to
commit violence after watching media violence. But the fact that some
people are influenced-and that the results can be tragic-cannot be
denied.

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar

.
User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 01:32:24 PM
"Patrioaf" <dork@dink.dank> wrote in message
news:Cd6dnQl3xdtmwezcRVn-jw@comcast.com...

Do you believe what you Google? It usually contradicts
your political babblings in support of the despotic rightwing
wacko fundys.

Actually, that tv violence can cause kids to beat up on blow up dolls helps the
conservative view about violence in the media being more influential than liberal
desire for profits.

Perhaps you have multiple personality disorder. That
would make you a double Fundy.

I am from the radical_center. You might not understand us or confuse our liberal
view of conservatism?





"The Immortalist" <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9353ae8c.0410160910.2c4517fc@posting.google.com...

jillarontown@webtv.net wrote in message
news:<11614-4170C23B-437@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net>...

"I submit Steven Pinker's new book The Blank Slate . In it he cites
Eric Turkheimer's work in genetic behavioral studies. A lot of behavior
(50%) does not come from without. Its innate. None to a marginal % comes
from the nurturing environment but then rest of the % comes from the
"unique environment" the subjects have selected in their life. "


If 50% comes from without then the information in the article is
relevent. And the participants who observe another beating on the doll
or those who view violence on tv beat on the dolls more than thos who
don't. This leaves room for tempermental differences of instinct which
have been accented at critical stages of development. (the part Pinker
is trying to revise his knowledge on now)

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Several years ago, Albert Bandura and his colleagues conducted a
series of classic experiments. The basic procedure in these studies
was to have an adult knock around a plastic, air-filled "Bobo" doll
(the kind that bounces back after it has been knocked down). Sometimes
the adult accompanied her physical aggression with verbal abuse
against the doll. Children who watched the adult were then allowed to
play with the doll. In these experiments, not only did the children
imitate the aggressive models, they also engaged in other forms of
aggressive behavior after having witnessed the aggressive behavior of
the adult. In short, the children did more than copy the behavior of
an adult; seeing a person behave aggressively served as an impetus for
them to engage in innovative aggressive behavior. We call this process
social learning. Why are these experiments considered so important?
Who cares what happens to a Bobo doll, anyway? Stay tuned.

One particularly powerful set of agents of social learning are the
mass media - especially television. There is no doubt that television
plays a major role in the socialization of children. There is also no
doubt that TV remains steeped in violence. According to a recent
study, 58 percent of all TV programs contain violence - and, of those,
78 percent are without remorse, criticism, or penalty for that
violence. Indeed, some 40 percent of the violent incidents seen on TV
were initiated by characters portrayed as heroes or other attractive
role models for children.

Exactly what do children learn from watching violence on TV? A number
of long-term studies indicate that the more violence individuals watch
on TV as children, the more violence they exhibit years later as
teenagers and young adults. In a typical study of this kind, (1)
teenagers are asked to recall which shows they watched on TV when they
were kids and how frequently they watched them. (2) The shows are
rated independently by judges for level of violence. (3) The general
aggressiveness of the teenagers is rated independently by their
teachers and classmates. Not only is there a high correlation between
the amount of violent TV watched and the viewer's subsequent
aggressiveness, but the impact also accumulates over time; that is,
the strength of the correlation increases with age. While these are
fairly powerful data, they do not definitively prove that watching a
lot of violence on TV causes children to become violent teenagers.
After all, it is at least conceivable that the aggressive kids were
born with a tendency to enjoy violence and that this enjoyment
manifests itself in both their aggressive behavior and their liking to
watch violence on TV. Once again, we see the value of the controlled
experiment in helping us to understand what causes what. In order to
demonstrate conclusively that watching violence on TV actually causes
violent behavior, the relationship must be shown experimentally.

Because this is an issue of great importance to society, it has been
well researched. The overwhelming thrust of the experimental evidence
demonstrates that watching violence does indeed increase the frequency
of aggressive behavior in children. For example, in an early
experiment on this issue, Robert Liebert and Robert Baron exposed a
group of children to an extremely violent TV episode of a police
drama. In a control condition, a similar group of children were
exposed to an exciting but nonviolent TV sporting event for the same
length of time. Each child was then allowed to play in another room
with a group of other children. Those who had watched the violent
police drama showed far more aggression against their playmates than
those who had watched the sporting event.

A subsequent experiment by Wendy Josephson showed, as one might
expect, that watching TV violence has the greatest impact on
youngsters who are somewhat prone to violence to begin wi th.Inthis
experiment, youngsters were exposed to either a film depicting a great
deal of police violence or an exciting nonviolent film about bike
racing. The youngsters then played a game of floor hockey. Watching
the violent film had the effect of increasing the number of aggressive
acts committed during the hockey game- primarily by those youngsters
who had previously been rated as highly aggressive by their teachers.
These kids hit others with their sticks, threw elbows, and yelled
aggressively at their opponents to a much greater extent than either
the kids rated as nonaggressive who had also watched the violent film
or those rated as aggressive who had watched the nonviolent film.
Thus, it may be that watching media violence gives aggressive kids
permission to express their aggression. Josephson's experiment
suggests that youngsters who do not have aggressive tendencies to
begin with do not necessarily act aggressively-at least, not on the
basis of seeing only one violent film.

That last phrase is an important one because it may be that even
youngsters who are not prone toward aggression will become more
aggressive if exposed to a steady diet of violent films over a long
period. That is exactly what was found in a set of field experiments
performed by Ross Parke and his colleagues. In these experiments,
different groups of children were exposed to differing amounts of
media violence over an extended period of time. In these experiments,
the great majority of the kids (even those without strong aggressive
tendencies) who were exposed to a high degree of media violence over a
long period were more aggressive than those who watched more benign
shows.

We might mention, in passing, that at a recent congressional hearing
on TV violence, it was estimated that the average 12-year-old has
witnessed more than 100,000 acts of violence on television. We mention
this because we believe that one of the crucial factors involved in
the above findings (in addition to social learning and imitation) is
the simple phenomenon of priming. That is, just as exposing children
to rifles and other weapons left lying around the house or the
laboratory tends to increase the probability of an aggressive response
when children subsequently experience pain or frustration, so too
might exposing them to an endless supply of violence in films and on
TV.

Thus far, in discussing the effects of media violence, we have focused
much of our attention on children - and for good reason. Youngsters
are, by definition, much more malleable than adults; that is, it is
generally assumed that their attitudes and behaviors can be more
deeply influenced by the things they view. But the effect of media
violence on violent behavior may not be limited to children. On
numerous occasions, adult violence seems to be a case of life
imitating art. For example, a few years ago, a man drove his truck
through the window of a crowded cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, and began
shooting people at random. By the time the police arrived, he had
killed 22 people, making this the most destructive shooting spree in
American history. He then turned the gun on himself. In his pocket,
police found a ticket stub to Fisher King, a film depicting a deranged
man firing a shotgun into a crowded bar, killing several people.

Did seeing the film cause the violent act? We cannot be sure. But we
do know that violence in the media can and does have a profound impact
on the behavior of adults. Several years ago, David Phillips
scrutinized the daily homicide rates in the United States and found
that they almost always increased during the week following a
heavyweight boxing match. Moreover, the more publicity surrounding the
fight, the greater the subsequent increase in homicides. Still more
striking, the race of prizefight losers was related to the race of
murder victims after the fights: After white boxers lost fights, there
was a corresponding increase in the murder of white men but not of
black men; after black boxers lost fights, there was a corresponding
increase in the murder of black men but not of white men. Phillips's
results are convincing; they are far too consistent to be dismissed as
merely a fluke. Again, this should not be construed as indicating that
all people or even a sizable percentage of people are motivated to
commit violence after watching media violence. But the fact that some
people are influenced-and that the results can be tragic-cannot be
denied.

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

Jillar
2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar



.



User: "Keynes"

Title: Re: Beating On Blow Up Dolls (TV made em do it) 16 Oct 2004 12:49:54 PM
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:39:55 -0500,
wrote:


"I submit Steven Pinker's new book _The Blank Slate_. In it he cites
Eric Turkheimer's work in genetic behavioral studies. A lot of behavior
(50%) does not come from without. Its innate. None to a marginal % comes
from the nurturing environment but then rest of the % comes from the
"unique environment" the subjects have selected in their life. "

Jillar
©2003 Google

Edit update:
About 50% behavior is innate mixed with a zero to a marginal percentage
from the nurturing environment and the remaining 40-50% comes from the
"unique environment' the subjects themselves have selected, such as peer
groups, close friends, and factors they identify with.

Jillar

I have an autistic nephew who acts out the violence
he sees on TV. (Pointless aggression, not murder.)
He takes his example of proper behavior from what
he sees. His parents try to control him by controling
his TV viewing.
.


  Page 1 of 1

1

 


Related Articles
"Two Hearts Beating" Types Simply Cannot Survive the Info Age
Top 10 Reasons bin Laden Thinks He's Beating AwOL In the Terror War
Top 10 Reasons bin Laden Thinks He's Beating AwOL In the Terror War
has jerry Falwell ever received a *****?
"Gay Bomb" Would Deal 'Blow' To Enemy
"Gay Bomb" Would Deal 'Blow' To Enemy
Why Didn't Someone Issure DARPA GI Joe Sets & Inflatable Rubber Sex Dolls?
coeurs vs closer or should we say beyond the vallley of the dolls
Why Didn't Someone Issure DARPA GI Joe Sets & Inflatable Rubber Sex Dolls?
Why Didn't Someone Issure DARPA GI Joe Sets & Inflatable Rubber Sex Dolls?
How Mike McCain made Timothy story?
'Runaway Train' - best existential action movie ever made
Statements made by a machine (Was: Are we machines?)
Al Qaida made contact in US
Should All Sacred Cows Be Made Into Steaks?
 

NEWER

pg.716     pg.544     pg.412     pg.311     pg.234     pg.175     pg.130     pg.96     pg.70     pg.50     pg.35     pg.24     pg.16     pg.10     pg.6     pg.3     pg.1

OLDER