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Topic: Science > Philosophy
User: "darwinist"
Date: 22 May 2007 07:35:24 PM
Object: Re: Intellectual Property same as Material Property
On May 23, 9:06 am, Ceil <ceil...@gmail.com> wrote:

darwinist wrote:

Material Property: You build a bookshelf and it works well, but
someone breaks into your house and takes it and now your books are all
over the floor.
Material Property: You invent a better bookshelf and it works well,
but someone sees it and starts making their own and now your books are
all over the floor.


Material Property: Someone takes a camera from your store, that you'd
made accessible to browsers, and walks out without paying. Later on
that day you notice it's missing.
Intellectual Property: Someone downloads a bunch of photos that you
made accessible to web-browsers. Later that day you notice the files
are missing from your computer.


Material Property: A trespasser promises not to touch anything, so you
let them stay. Then more come with the same excuse until you can't get
around your own land without strangers blocking your path.
Intellectual Property: A stranger promises not to harm your movie, so
you let them make a copy. Then they let others copy from their copy,
until you can't watch it anymore without strangers' eyes getting in
the way.


Material Property: You lend a friend your bike but it gets broken from
their recklessly fast riding, so you can't ride to the shops like you
were planning.
Intellectual Property: You share a song you wrote with a friend over
the internet but it gets distorted from their recklessly fast
downloading, so you can't listen to it while you're riding to the
shops like you were planning.


etc.


Intellectual property laws need to be respected, otherwise your photos
would vanish, your books would be all over the floor, your view would
be blocked by other people and your songs would be unlistenable.


Take heed before its too late and we devolve into informational
anarchy. No one will be able to create or communicate anything,
society will crumble.


We must:
- Jail mp3-sharers for life
- Recall computers that don't have copy-protection
- Make buskers pay royalties.
- Remove the internet from college campuses


You make no sense... If someone downloads photos, the originals are not
missing from your computer. You're confusing "sharing" (where the
original and a copy both exist) with "stealing" (where the original is
now in the hands of the other person and you have nothing).

And you're fucking stupid with that "Jail mp3-sharers for life". That's
more ignorant than people getting locked up for smoking (not dealing,
not sharing with minors; just an adult smoking with adult friends)
marijuana. It costs money to keep people incarcerated, you know. And I'd
rather not have my tax dollars spent on a six-figure number to keep
someone locked up for sharing a few songs.

And are you a Microsoft employee? You want to take back computers that
don't have that little *Treacherous Computing* (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html) so 'you' can keep an
eye on every move 'your' users make? I'm the only one that owns my
computer; not Microsoft (especially as I don't have a Microsoft OS on
it), not Dell, and certainly not the MPAA/RIAA.

And remove the Internet from college campuses? That's just fucking
stupid. I oughtn't need to go into detail of just how moronic that idea
really is.

-C

Exactly. The whole idea of so called intellectual property being the
same as material property is a joke. It doesn't work the same, and the
extremes you'd have to go to in order to enforce it properly, would be
damaging and costly to pretty much everyone.
.

User: "Ceil"

Title: Re: Intellectual Property same as Material Property 22 May 2007 10:16:26 PM
darwinist wrote:

On May 23, 9:06 am, Ceil <ceil...@gmail.com> wrote:

darwinist wrote:

Material Property: You build a bookshelf and it works well, but
someone breaks into your house and takes it and now your books are all
over the floor.
Material Property: You invent a better bookshelf and it works well,
but someone sees it and starts making their own and now your books are
all over the floor.
Material Property: Someone takes a camera from your store, that you'd
made accessible to browsers, and walks out without paying. Later on
that day you notice it's missing.
Intellectual Property: Someone downloads a bunch of photos that you
made accessible to web-browsers. Later that day you notice the files
are missing from your computer.
Material Property: A trespasser promises not to touch anything, so you
let them stay. Then more come with the same excuse until you can't get
around your own land without strangers blocking your path.
Intellectual Property: A stranger promises not to harm your movie, so
you let them make a copy. Then they let others copy from their copy,
until you can't watch it anymore without strangers' eyes getting in
the way.
Material Property: You lend a friend your bike but it gets broken from
their recklessly fast riding, so you can't ride to the shops like you
were planning.
Intellectual Property: You share a song you wrote with a friend over
the internet but it gets distorted from their recklessly fast
downloading, so you can't listen to it while you're riding to the
shops like you were planning.
etc.
Intellectual property laws need to be respected, otherwise your photos
would vanish, your books would be all over the floor, your view would
be blocked by other people and your songs would be unlistenable.
Take heed before its too late and we devolve into informational
anarchy. No one will be able to create or communicate anything,
society will crumble.
We must:
- Jail mp3-sharers for life
- Recall computers that don't have copy-protection
- Make buskers pay royalties.
- Remove the internet from college campuses

You make no sense... If someone downloads photos, the originals are not
missing from your computer. You're confusing "sharing" (where the
original and a copy both exist) with "stealing" (where the original is
now in the hands of the other person and you have nothing).

And you're fucking stupid with that "Jail mp3-sharers for life". That's
more ignorant than people getting locked up for smoking (not dealing,
not sharing with minors; just an adult smoking with adult friends)
marijuana. It costs money to keep people incarcerated, you know. And I'd
rather not have my tax dollars spent on a six-figure number to keep
someone locked up for sharing a few songs.

And are you a Microsoft employee? You want to take back computers that
don't have that little *Treacherous Computing* (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html) so 'you' can keep an
eye on every move 'your' users make? I'm the only one that owns my
computer; not Microsoft (especially as I don't have a Microsoft OS on
it), not Dell, and certainly not the MPAA/RIAA.

And remove the Internet from college campuses? That's just fucking
stupid. I oughtn't need to go into detail of just how moronic that idea
really is.

-C


Exactly. The whole idea of so called intellectual property being the
same as material property is a joke. It doesn't work the same, and the
extremes you'd have to go to in order to enforce it properly, would be
damaging and costly to pretty much everyone.

Yeah, I'm used to dealing with idiots, and my sarcasmeter is apparently
broken :x Sorrie 'bout that.
.


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