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On Dec 19, 12:34 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Subject: Brilliant Messianic Jewish Youth explains why Jesus is the
Messiah - click on following link to watch

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=443384695737437643&q=messianic...

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On Dec 19, 3:31 am,

On Dec 19, 12:34 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Subject: Brilliant Messianic Jewish Youth explains why Jesus is the
Messiah - click on following link to watch

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=443384695737437643&q=messianic...

Awesome!

Wonderful, God Bless

On Dec 19, 5:31 pm,

On Dec 19, 12:34 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Subject: Brilliant Messianic Jewish Youth explains why Jesus is the
Messiah - click on following link to watch

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=443384695737437643&q=messianic...

Awesome!

On Dec 18, 12:09 am,

On Dec 17, 6:08 am,

On Dec 17, 5:12 pm,

On Dec 17, 12:45 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Prophecies of the Messiah in the Hebrew Biblehttp://jewsforjesus.org/answers/prophecy

The (Jewish) writers of the New Testament asserted that the Old
Testament spoke of a coming Messiah and quoted from it extensively to
prove their point. Even Jesus himself - whom many Jewish people will
declare to be a good rabbi and teacher - said to those who sat under
his teaching, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe
all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer
these things and then enter his glory?" And beginning with Moses and
all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the
Scriptures concerning himself. " (Luke 24:25-27)

Since the first century, the issue of "messianic prophecy" has been a
hot-button topic. Does Isaiah 53 speak of Israel, or of a Messiah? Did
Isaiah really talk about a virgin giving birth? Did King David
describe someone who would be "pierced" in Psalm 22? Or did the
Christians misunderstand what the Hebrew Bible said, or even worse -
did they deliberately distort things, or arrange events so that Jesus
appeared to fulfill the prophecies?

OK, I put it to you, Noah. If Jesus was the son of JHVH, why is there
not a passage in the Torah advising the Jews that JHVH has a son named
JHVSA (Jehoshua) or YSVA (Yeshua) who will come as the Messiah? That
would have avoided the rejection of Jesus by the Jews and all the
trouble since. In the absense of such a verse, aren't the Jews
absolutely justified in saying that Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Dec 17, 5:12 pm,

On Dec 17, 12:45 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Prophecies of the Messiah in the Hebrew Biblehttp://jewsforjesus.org/answers/prophecy

The (Jewish) writers of the New Testament asserted that the Old
Testament spoke of a coming Messiah and quoted from it extensively to
prove their point. Even Jesus himself - whom many Jewish people will
declare to be a good rabbi and teacher - said to those who sat under
his teaching, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe
all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer
these things and then enter his glory?" And beginning with Moses and
all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the
Scriptures concerning himself. " (Luke 24:25-27)

Since the first century, the issue of "messianic prophecy" has been a
hot-button topic. Does Isaiah 53 speak of Israel, or of a Messiah? Did
Isaiah really talk about a virgin giving birth? Did King David
describe someone who would be "pierced" in Psalm 22? Or did the
Christians misunderstand what the Hebrew Bible said, or even worse -
did they deliberately distort things, or arrange events so that Jesus
appeared to fulfill the prophecies?

OK, I put it to you, Noah. If Jesus was the son of JHVH, why is there
not a passage in the Torah advising the Jews that JHVH has a son named
JHVSA (Jehoshua) or YSVA (Yeshua) who will come as the Messiah? That
would have avoided the rejection of Jesus by the Jews and all the
trouble since. In the absense of such a verse, aren't the Jews
absolutely justified in saying that Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dear Pjmutn,

If man should have son, why not God?
In fact, God is Elohiym which is God in plurality; and Isaiah 48:12-16
clearly show us all that there are 3 Gods in the Family of
God=Elohiym.

And Genesis 1:26 clearly evidences that God is a Family of 3
Gods=Elohiym by the fact that the PLURAL possessive pronoun "OUR' is
being used by God=Elohiym as well as PLURAL personal pronoun 'US"; and
in Genesis 3:22, the Lord God=Jehovah of Elohiym uses the PLURAL
personal pronoun " US " which emphazises plurality of
God=Elohiym=Trinity.

AND if you should read Psalm 2, you will know that God has declared to
us all that He had begotten His Son.

Hence, God has informed us all in His Word that He has a Son, and also
that He has informed us all in Isaiah 7:14 that the Name of His Son is
Emmanuel=With Us Is God, and Emmanuel was to be born of a virgin
maiden=almah.

Jesus was born of Virgin Mary, and Jesus is God of Elohiym taking the
place as the Son; and Jesus is with us= Emanuel= With Us Is God.

Amen In Christ Jesus.

You think the following is a prophecy of Jesus?

Psalm 2

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel
together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from
us.

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them
in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore
displeasure.

6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my
Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in
pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the
earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when
his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their
trust in him.

This is NOT about Jesus, by any stretch of the imagination. It is
about the old Jewish concept of Mashiah as the anointed King, in this
case David. And, it does NOT refer to Jesus by name, nor does it say
ONLY begotten Son. Quite the contrary, it is the Jewish doctrine that
each King of Israel is the annointed Mashiah and Son of God. Not
unlike the Roman concept. To alert Jews to Jesus it would have to
say: Oh, and by the way, JHVH has a Son named JHVSA or YSVA, who will
come as the Messiah. Nor are your references to Elohim correct.
Elohim are not three, but seven. They are the seven spirits that
stand before the LORD of all the earth. I could name them for you.
Their names are well known to Kabbalists, etc.

Dear pjmutn,

You are clearly wrong in your saying because even though the name of
Jesus was not mentioned, Psalm 2:6 speaks of Jesus, the Son of God,
setting his king on holy hill of Zion, and continues to 2:7 Jesus
speaks of Jehovah= Lord God declaring him, Jesus, as His Son......

If the ONE speaking in Psalm 2:6 was only a Jewish king, how then
could he - a Jewish king only - ANOINT another one as king on the holy
hill of Zion especially when it was a HOLY HILL OF ZION ???

Hence, your saying has no truth of God in it !

Amen In Christ Jesus.

On Dec 19, 5:31 pm,

On Dec 19, 12:34 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Subject: Brilliant Messianic Jewish Youth explains why Jesus is the
Messiah - click on following link to watch

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=443384695737437643&q=messianic...

Awesome!

On Dec 18, 12:09 am,

On Dec 17, 6:08 am,

On Dec 17, 5:12 pm,

On Dec 17, 12:45 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Prophecies of the Messiah in the Hebrew Biblehttp://jewsforjesus.org/answers/prophecy

The (Jewish) writers of the New Testament asserted that the Old
Testament spoke of a coming Messiah and quoted from it extensively to
prove their point. Even Jesus himself - whom many Jewish people will
declare to be a good rabbi and teacher - said to those who sat under
his teaching, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe
all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer
these things and then enter his glory?" And beginning with Moses and
all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the
Scriptures concerning himself. " (Luke 24:25-27)

Since the first century, the issue of "messianic prophecy" has been a
hot-button topic. Does Isaiah 53 speak of Israel, or of a Messiah? Did
Isaiah really talk about a virgin giving birth? Did King David
describe someone who would be "pierced" in Psalm 22? Or did the
Christians misunderstand what the Hebrew Bible said, or even worse -
did they deliberately distort things, or arrange events so that Jesus
appeared to fulfill the prophecies?

OK, I put it to you, Noah. If Jesus was the son of JHVH, why is there
not a passage in the Torah advising the Jews that JHVH has a son named
JHVSA (Jehoshua) or YSVA (Yeshua) who will come as the Messiah? That
would have avoided the rejection of Jesus by the Jews and all the
trouble since. In the absense of such a verse, aren't the Jews
absolutely justified in saying that Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Dec 17, 5:12 pm,

On Dec 17, 12:45 am, "Noah's Dove" <noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:

Prophecies of the Messiah in the Hebrew Biblehttp://jewsforjesus.org/answers/prophecy

The (Jewish) writers of the New Testament asserted that the Old
Testament spoke of a coming Messiah and quoted from it extensively to
prove their point. Even Jesus himself - whom many Jewish people will
declare to be a good rabbi and teacher - said to those who sat under
his teaching, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe
all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer
these things and then enter his glory?" And beginning with Moses and
all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the
Scriptures concerning himself. " (Luke 24:25-27)

Since the first century, the issue of "messianic prophecy" has been a
hot-button topic. Does Isaiah 53 speak of Israel, or of a Messiah? Did
Isaiah really talk about a virgin giving birth? Did King David
describe someone who would be "pierced" in Psalm 22? Or did the
Christians misunderstand what the Hebrew Bible said, or even worse -
did they deliberately distort things, or arrange events so that Jesus
appeared to fulfill the prophecies?

OK, I put it to you, Noah. If Jesus was the son of JHVH, why is there
not a passage in the Torah advising the Jews that JHVH has a son named
JHVSA (Jehoshua) or YSVA (Yeshua) who will come as the Messiah? That
would have avoided the rejection of Jesus by the Jews and all the
trouble since. In the absense of such a verse, aren't the Jews
absolutely justified in saying that Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dear Pjmutn,

If man should have son, why not God?
In fact, God is Elohiym which is God in plurality; and Isaiah 48:12-16
clearly show us all that there are 3 Gods in the Family of
God=Elohiym.

And Genesis 1:26 clearly evidences that God is a Family of 3
Gods=Elohiym by the fact that the PLURAL possessive pronoun "OUR' is
being used by God=Elohiym as well as PLURAL personal pronoun 'US"; and
in Genesis 3:22, the Lord God=Jehovah of Elohiym uses the PLURAL
personal pronoun " US " which emphazises plurality of
God=Elohiym=Trinity.

AND if you should read Psalm 2, you will know that God has declared to
us all that He had begotten His Son.

Hence, God has informed us all in His Word that He has a Son, and also
that He has informed us all in Isaiah 7:14 that the Name of His Son is
Emmanuel=With Us Is God, and Emmanuel was to be born of a virgin
maiden=almah.

Jesus was born of Virgin Mary, and Jesus is God of Elohiym taking the
place as the Son; and Jesus is with us= Emanuel= With Us Is God.

Amen In Christ Jesus.

You think the following is a prophecy of Jesus?

Psalm 2

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel
together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from
us.

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them
in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore
displeasure.

6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my
Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in
pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the
earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when
his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their
trust in him.

This is NOT about Jesus, by any stretch of the imagination. It is
about the old Jewish concept of Mashiah as the anointed King, in this
case David. And, it does NOT refer to Jesus by name, nor does it say
ONLY begotten Son. Quite the contrary, it is the Jewish doctrine that
each King of Israel is the annointed Mashiah and Son of God. Not
unlike the Roman concept. To alert Jews to Jesus it would have to
say: Oh, and by the way, JHVH has a Son named JHVSA or YSVA, who will
come as the Messiah. Nor are your references to Elohim correct.
Elohim are not three, but seven. They are the seven spirits that
stand before the LORD of all the earth. I could name them for you.
Their names are well known to Kabbalists, etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dear pjmutn,

You are clearly wrong in your saying because even though the name of
Jesus was not mentioned, Psalm 2:6 speaks of Jesus, the Son of God,
setting his king on holy hill of Zion, and continues to 2:7 Jesus
speaks of Jehovah= Lord God declaring him, Jesus, as His Son......

If the ONE speaking in Psalm 2:6 was only a Jewish king, how then
could he - a Jewish king only - ANOINT another one as king on the holy
hill of Zion especially when it was a HOLY HILL OF ZION ???

Hence, your saying has no truth of God in it !

Amen In Christ Jesus.