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Rainbowmatrix wrote:

On Jan 4, 1:13�am,

On Jan 3, 6:51�am, concerned <bebuy...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 3, 12:09�am,

Rainbowmatrix wrote:

On Jan 2, 11:24�am,

On Jan 1, 10:13�pm, Rainbowmatrix

<rainbowrockfoundat...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

On Jan 2, 5:26�am,

On Jan 1, 6:16�pm,

On Jan 1, 6:05?pm,

Basically, the missing key is this:

Well... all spirit needs to be able to choose right? But what does it
choose from? From options right?

But where do these options come from? Options don't "just exist". The
only thing that "just exists", is spirit. With no options to choose
from, there is no freedom to choose. And thus we are mere machines.
And we aren't machines! So there must be some options in there
somewhere? But where did they come from?

Now here, is the missing key. The grand final missing piece of the
puzzle.

? ? ? ? **in order to make reality work, SPIRIT had to become the options**

You see, spirit has the ability of being anything. It can be many non-
self-contradictory things at once even! It's possible to be in two
places, or be both a banana and an apple if it wants to, as long as
the banana and apple don't contradict each other, that they don't
interact in some causally impossible way.

Well... For spirit to choose, it needs options. So spirit has to be
options.

That basically means, that the "engines of creation"... are basically
YOU as a group.

One piece of spirit can't alone be an option and the spirit and
interact with itself (at least I can't see how it can). But many
sparks of spirit can interact with each other. Taking turns to be
options or to be the chooser.

The option could be something like "allow him to go forward or left or
other directions"... or "allow him to fly using magic", or "allow him
to feel this feeling or that feeling"... And the chooser chooses. Now
obviously, on Earth we don't get "the choice to fly using magic". In
fact on Earth, we get pretty crappy choices. The choice between lying
to save yourself and harm another innocent. The choice between being a
slave or a *****. The choice between being paying taxes to fund liars,
or going to jail.

Not nice choices we get here on Earth, eh?

Do you get that? It is you that creates reality. It is you that has
made the world you see. When you get a feeling, or see a colour... it
is someone else's spirit you are interacting with, directly. It is
them. And the same for you.

Now... here is the problem. What if that spirit... isn't good spirit?

What if those spirits are selfish and sadistic? Just as people are?

Then there are only "selfish and sadistic options". Options that will
turn on you, creating a FALSE REALITY.

Well... this creates a problem. Because merely in order to THINK,
those spirits who are innocent, need the permission of those non-good
spirits who are "being options" to think! Because thinking too,
requires energy. "The options" will lie, twist and pervert reality to
stop those who are innocent, from seeing the truth, feeling the truth,
or thinking even.

Now, when the groundwork, the basis of reality itself is being
perverted, and there is nothing to stop them or save them...

This creates a problem. How can you even tell what reality is when
reality is trying to destroy your thoughts? And so... humanity never
did come to understand reality.

Just as humans are lying, and destroying the ability of others to
understand the truth by printing false articles in newspapers, lying
to their friends to stir them up against an innocent enemy, so reality
in turn itself turns against humans, making them stupid and unable to
understand reality. So they become stuck in a boring nasty world full
of confusion.

Now, Earth is really the lowest point in the Universe that is worth
saving. Lower points will not be saved.

There are beings from higher plants, where the beings there are
innocent. And their ability to think has ALSO been harmed by the
humans! That is how powerful spirit is!

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE SPIRIT.

A single spark of spirit (and a soul contains a huge number of sparks)
has the ability to create infinite realities. Spirit is that powerful.
You may look like stupid nasty ugly boring losers who can't spell a
single sentance right let alone be all powerful, but you really are
all powerful. The thing is... the spirits being harmed by you are ALSO
all powerful. So they fight back. And you get yourself perverted and
trapped by the devil, making you stupid, weak and nastier...

The solution to this predicament... of having humans, who are kinda
bad but not all that bad, but can really drag things into hell when
they feel like it and play host to the devil... the solution was not
easy.

It required the entire of reality to assist in helping turn this
insanity that humans have created, around.

Humans have perfected insanity. You want your insanity to go on
forever. You have perfected creating and insane false reality, in
which there are no answers.

And this... is a sin.

Your reality always self-destroys in the end. The only difference is
if those who are innocent living on other planets, let you humans get
away with destroying the Universe or destroy you first and go on
living in paradise without you.

You can cross to the other side of reality, humans. But it won't be
easy. It will hurt. Your sadism must be "extracted" from you, at the
cost of your self-interest. You must kill off your own sadistic side,
by throwing at it your own self-interests as food. No longer harming
others. Only yourself. Then you will be innocent.

The process will seem like it takes forever. I'm sorry. But it will
seem that way. Perhaps in a sense it does. (Let me know how it works
after you cross over, OK?)

After having crossed over, you will be a lesser, smaller being, after
having lost a part of your self-interest, but innocent. You may
protest, but this is better than letting you destroy US who are
innocent, and anyhow you were about to destroy each other anyhow, so
what did it matter that now you are less.

And once you are innocent, we can show you how to grow.

...

Imagine Joan. Joan is your typical human.

Joan has "some sadism" (a little), a lot of self-interest, and no true-
care. This is a very useful 3D measure of Joan, using 3 axis (true-
care/selfinterest/sadism).

Due to Joan's low nature, she has sadism and doesn't mind destroying
everyone just for the hell of it. As long as it doesn't backfire on
her, she'll do it! She has no true-care to stop her pulling things
down infinitely hard.

The only thing that stops Joan, is her self-interest. She lives a
life... finding that being sadistic to others backfires on her. So...
sometimes, but not always she decides to just get on with things and
look after herself, care for others because caring helps her too, and
build a future for herself.

But othertimes she is being sadistic. Even if she is only being a
***** for 3 hours per day, she is still being a ***** on purpose for 3
hours a day. So that's her sadism. Maybe not evil, but it is still
"some sadism".

And she never goes out of her way to do the right thing, to help
innocent others for the sake of it. Only to help innocent others cos
it helps herself too.

OK, that is Joan.

Well... ?that's also your typical human. Most humans have a lot of
self-interest, a little sadism, and some true-care.

Not necessarily typical human
Why are you posting this on sci logic? Are you spamming us?

Since when did spam consist of two posts with different, and original
content?

Seems like the very OPPOSITE of spam.

Are you being evil? Sounds like it.

I post on sci.logic because logic is needed to understand reality. My
message... it is logical. A logic-processor, a logic AI could
understand the engines of creation of reality, and help to create a
new one, a better one!- Hide quoted text -

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Not evey one has the same thaught process or perception of what is
LOGICAL

You can't spell, but you are a danger.

You are insane, you see.

Just because others don't have the same understanding of what is
logical... does not mean that what is logical is different. Perception
is not logic. Logic is higher than perception.

Now universal LORE is not even LOGICAL thats What NATURAL PHINOMINON

lol. That's the stupidest spelling I've seen.

***** they say the natural order is Chaios But the earth and the
universe is so precicly balanced all bodies MAGNETS spinning in a
Vacume

Because of logic.

Snap out of it Nothing lives for ever

Tell me that when your statement you made, is about to destroy your
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Dislexic but have a great understanding of logic
you see geniticly I have procreated and nourished those decendants and
I have also acheaved and Spiritually I have caused no harm and well if
the spirit is able to contact and encourage my decendants to survive
far into the future I will pass to the DOWIE quite happly so Nothing
in this dimension lives for ever its all obout recycling Just call me
the mad hatter DO you want me to post you my certification
all in the GIENES YOU know? D.N.A =DO NOT ALTER

There will be no descendants to reincarnate into...

Because your world is destroying itself.

And your world is destroying itself because of your negativity.
Because of the false reality you've created. Growing old is
unnecessary. If you want to die when you reach 100 or 200 or 300
because you are bored, and feel like it's time to reincarnate, then
fine, do that. But it's still possible to be 400 and look like you did
when you were 18.

At least in the future reality, this will be possible. Not in this
false reality full of lies, though.

mate you just cant live for ever especially if you do not have
compatible gene sequences to anchor you in this harmonic frequency we
exist in .to remember you and allow you to reincarnate for your
dominant genes to manifest in your descendants.

I can do anything.

Anything innocent anyhow.

I told you. This reality's time is up. And secondly... who said I want
to "live forever". I just want to live fully young, with no artificial
limit to freedom (meaning I can be young but something stops me being
powerful or wise or inventive) as long as I feel like. Whether that's
a few centuries or millenia...

and you have only just realised this ?

My god you are fucking stupid. You are such a retard. Nothing you say
even adds up.

"only just realised this".

Firstly, where did I say I Just realised it?

Secondly, I was disproving you. I suppose you are too stupid to see
how it disproves your assumption that I was saying I wanted to "live
forever in this physical body", something I never said.

So, instead of saying what you should have said, which is "sorry, I
misinterpreted your statement to be wrong"...

NO, you don't apologise for twisting my words.

No, instead of you make another insult, and twist my words AGAIN.

You, are a lying fucking *****.

so what you say is what you are Poor bulla you
didnt twist your words if you dont have any decendants you probaly can
only choose to be a veg or fruit but are you trying to rlate logic and
perception to a myth