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User: "Citizen_Cain"
Date: 07 Oct 2004 08:28:54 PM
Object: Re: Try Carter...Spoilers
"AzizalSaqr" <azizalsaqr@aol.com> wrote in message
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From NBC Universal Media Village
ER
TRY CARTER
10-14-2004 9:59PM



It's a busy 4th of July weekend and Carter (Noah Wylie) tries to run an
understaffed hospital, which is flooded with patients. A biker with HIV is

left

brain dead from a robbery and his girlfriend wants to donate his organs to

a

fellow friend, who is also infected with HIV. Carter persuades Corday

(Alex

Kingston) to perform the organ transplant after several surgeons refused

to

perform the operation.

Given the sterile atmosphere and almost OCD-like methods they use to ensure
protection against that sort of thing, why the hell would the other surgeons
refuse? Surely they can't be worried about contamination to themselves,
could they? That's pretty cold, just to say no and let someone continue in
pain and suffering just because you're afraid of a little blood-or-saliva
transmitted disease. I mean, if THAT'S your problem, you shouldn't be a
surgeon to begin with. I could see how they wuold take the attitude of
"they're going to eventually die anyway" but shouldn't the oath they took as
a doctor AS WELL AS their own human feelings take precedent over fears of
being contaminated by the disease? Just because someone has HIV doesn't
mean they're going to die tomorrow anyway. Sometimes it takes awhile for
full blow AIDS to develop. Pansy-***** surgeons!
Meanwhile, Ray (Shane West) is upset with Abby (Maura

Tierney) for going above him and ordering a drug test on his patient, a

bicycle

messenger. Abby later asks Carter out for dinner and drinks in hopes of

talking

to him about his past problems. Dr. Pratt (Mekhi Phifer) is back early

from his

recent craniotomy and is not operating at his best capacity. Carter

notices his

insensitivity to a stabbing victim as well as the fact that he is still
suffering from headaches and sends him home. Corday confronts Weaver

(Laura

Innes) on her latest surgeon choice and the fact that she was not involved

in

the decision-making process. Lastly, Neela (Parminder Nagra) looks for
employment outside of the medical field and has a hard time finding a

decent

job.

.

User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Try Carter...Spoilers 07 Oct 2004 11:32:29 PM
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"AzizalSaqr" <azizalsaqr@aol.com> wrote in message
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From NBC Universal Media Village
ER
TRY CARTER
10-14-2004 9:59PM



It's a busy 4th of July weekend and Carter (Noah Wylie) tries to run an
understaffed hospital, which is flooded with patients. A biker with HIV is

left

brain dead from a robbery and his girlfriend wants to donate his organs to

a

fellow friend, who is also infected with HIV. Carter persuades Corday

(Alex

Kingston) to perform the organ transplant after several surgeons refused

to

perform the operation.



Given the sterile atmosphere and almost OCD-like methods they use to ensure
protection against that sort of thing, why the hell would the other surgeons
refuse? Surely they can't be worried about contamination to themselves,
could they? That's pretty cold, just to say no and let someone continue in
pain and suffering just because you're afraid of a little blood-or-saliva
transmitted disease. I mean, if THAT'S your problem, you shouldn't be a
surgeon to begin with. I could see how they wuold take the attitude of
"they're going to eventually die anyway" but shouldn't the oath they took as
a doctor AS WELL AS their own human feelings take precedent over fears of
being contaminated by the disease? Just because someone has HIV doesn't
mean they're going to die tomorrow anyway. Sometimes it takes awhile for
full blow AIDS to develop. Pansy-***** surgeons!

Do you think surgeons should have a choice whether to operate or should they be
forced? If the later what should be done when they quit in droves? Put them in
jail for quiting?




Meanwhile, Ray (Shane West) is upset with Abby (Maura

Tierney) for going above him and ordering a drug test on his patient, a

bicycle

messenger. Abby later asks Carter out for dinner and drinks in hopes of

talking

to him about his past problems. Dr. Pratt (Mekhi Phifer) is back early

from his

recent craniotomy and is not operating at his best capacity. Carter

notices his

insensitivity to a stabbing victim as well as the fact that he is still
suffering from headaches and sends him home. Corday confronts Weaver

(Laura

Innes) on her latest surgeon choice and the fact that she was not involved

in

the decision-making process. Lastly, Neela (Parminder Nagra) looks for
employment outside of the medical field and has a hard time finding a

decent

job.




.
User: "Citizen_Cain"

Title: Re: Try Carter...Spoilers 08 Oct 2004 12:03:54 AM
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From NBC Universal Media Village
ER
TRY CARTER
10-14-2004 9:59PM



It's a busy 4th of July weekend and Carter (Noah Wylie) tries to run

an

understaffed hospital, which is flooded with patients. A biker with

HIV is

left

brain dead from a robbery and his girlfriend wants to donate his

organs to

a

fellow friend, who is also infected with HIV. Carter persuades Corday

(Alex

Kingston) to perform the organ transplant after several surgeons

refused

to

perform the operation.



Given the sterile atmosphere and almost OCD-like methods they use to

ensure

protection against that sort of thing, why the hell would the other

surgeons

refuse? Surely they can't be worried about contamination to themselves,
could they? That's pretty cold, just to say no and let someone continue

in

pain and suffering just because you're afraid of a little

blood-or-saliva

transmitted disease. I mean, if THAT'S your problem, you shouldn't be a
surgeon to begin with. I could see how they wuold take the attitude of
"they're going to eventually die anyway" but shouldn't the oath they

took as

a doctor AS WELL AS their own human feelings take precedent over fears

of

being contaminated by the disease? Just because someone has HIV doesn't
mean they're going to die tomorrow anyway. Sometimes it takes awhile

for

full blow AIDS to develop. Pansy-***** surgeons!


Do you think surgeons should have a choice whether to operate or should

they be

forced?

I think all surgeons should have a choice, yes. I'm not saying they should
be FORCED into anything. But just because they are afraid of a little
contamination to themselves doesn't mean they should put the patient's needs
second. That's part of being in the medical field -- the needs of others
come first. To yank a fairly decent quote out of Star Trek,"the needs of
the many outweigh the needs of the few." There's very little to no chance
of risk on your part, and the patient certainly can't transplant the organ
themselves. It should be interesting to see how the writers handle the
surgeons' reactions and why/how they refuse to do the transplant.

If the later what should be done when they quit in droves? Put them in
jail for quiting?

No, I'm not saying they should be forced. I'm saying they should be man (or
woman) enough to examine their own reasons for what it is they do and
realize that part of their job is to take risks such as that. HOWEVER if
they're good at their job and knowledgable enough of their field, then they
would know how little the risk is and how possibly beneficial to the patient
or patients that the operations would be. Granted, if they operated without
gloves, but of course they wouldn't be doing that...or would they? Since
several surgeons turn down the opportunity, it's obviously not one of those
"E.R."
writers-make-the-doctors-stick-their-bare-hands-into-a-patient's-body-withou
t-gloves-on-just-for-dramatic-purposes" routines that has been done time and
time again since the show went on the air years ago.





Meanwhile, Ray (Shane West) is upset with Abby (Maura

Tierney) for going above him and ordering a drug test on his patient,

a

bicycle

messenger. Abby later asks Carter out for dinner and drinks in hopes

of

talking

to him about his past problems. Dr. Pratt (Mekhi Phifer) is back early

from his

recent craniotomy and is not operating at his best capacity. Carter

notices his

insensitivity to a stabbing victim as well as the fact that he is

still

suffering from headaches and sends him home. Corday confronts Weaver

(Laura

Innes) on her latest surgeon choice and the fact that she was not

involved

in

the decision-making process. Lastly, Neela (Parminder Nagra) looks for
employment outside of the medical field and has a hard time finding a

decent

job.






.


User: "Sharon Three"

Title: Re: Try Carter...Spoilers 08 Oct 2004 10:45:12 PM
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"Citizen_Cain" <noemailhere@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote in
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|
| >"AzizalSaqr" <azizalsaqr@aol.com> wrote in message
| >
| > From NBC Universal Media Village
| > ER
| > TRY CARTER
| > 10-14-2004 9:59PM
| >
| > <fictionalized account of medical dilemma>
| >
| > It's a busy 4th of July weekend and Carter (Noah Wylie)
| > tries to run an understaffed hospital, which is flooded with
| > patients. A biker with HIV is left brain dead from a robbery
| > and his girlfriend wants to donate his organs to a fellow friend,
| > who is also infected with HIV. Carter persuades Corday (Alex
| > Kingston) to perform the organ transplant after several surgeons
| > refused to perform the operation.
| >
| > </fictionalized account of medical dilemma>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Transplant surgeons would refuse this case in real life
because of medical futility not for fear of bloodborne
disease. A patient with HIV is, by definition, immuno-
compromized. Any patient receiving an organ transplant
MUST take immunosuppressants to prevent rejection.
Can you see where I'm going here? Giving immunosuppressants
to a patient whose immune system is ALREADY compromised
by HIV virtually guarantees their death.

Regards,

Snidely


When these spoilers first came out, there was a lot of discussion about
this. In fact, people who are HIV positive and taking immunosuppressants
after an organ transplant seem to do just fine. Their HIV infection seems
no more likely to progress than anyone else's.
Doc Sharon
.
User: "Snidely F Whiplash"

Title: Re: Try Carter...Spoilers 10 Oct 2004 08:20:37 PM
"Sharon Three" <smikol4321@coxnospam.net> wrote in message
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| "Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in message
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| >
| > "Citizen_Cain" <noemailhere@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote in
| > message news:t3m9d.163$mm4.50@fe39.usenetserver.com...
| > |
| > | >"AzizalSaqr" <azizalsaqr@aol.com> wrote in message
| > | >
| > | > From NBC Universal Media Village
| > | > ER
| > | > TRY CARTER
| > | > 10-14-2004 9:59PM
| > | >
| > | > <fictionalized account of medical dilemma>
| > | >
| > | > It's a busy 4th of July weekend and Carter (Noah Wylie)
| > | > tries to run an understaffed hospital, which is flooded with
| > | > patients. A biker with HIV is left brain dead from a robbery
| > | > and his girlfriend wants to donate his organs to a fellow friend,
| > | > who is also infected with HIV. Carter persuades Corday (Alex
| > | > Kingston) to perform the organ transplant after several surgeons
| > | > refused to perform the operation.
| > | >
| > | > </fictionalized account of medical dilemma>
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| >
| > Transplant surgeons would refuse this case in real life
| > because of medical futility not for fear of bloodborne
| > disease. A patient with HIV is, by definition, immuno-
| > compromized. Any patient receiving an organ transplant
| > MUST take immunosuppressants to prevent rejection.
| > Can you see where I'm going here? Giving immunosuppressants
| > to a patient whose immune system is ALREADY compromised
| > by HIV virtually guarantees their death.
| >
| > Regards,
| >
| > Snidely
| >
| >
| When these spoilers first came out, there was a lot of discussion about
| this. In fact, people who are HIV positive and taking immunosuppressants
| after an organ transplant seem to do just fine. Their HIV infection seems
| no more likely to progress than anyone else's.
|
| Doc Sharon
|
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for the correction.
Regards,
Snidely
.



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