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"nothing" |
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03 Oct 2004 10:14:32 AM |
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There is no point to anything. |
There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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03 Oct 2004 01:59:40 PM |
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
All a person can do is try to make himself happy, but the best way to make
oneself happy is to make others happy. From another angle, the best way to
make oneself happy is to temporarily make oneself uncomfortable, as in
paying a price.
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| User: "block" |
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03 Oct 2004 02:07:44 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
news:3fb811f7.0410030714.30b8aed3@posting.google.com...
There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
All a person can do is try to make himself happy, but the best way to make
oneself happy is to make others happy. From another angle, the best way
to
make oneself happy is to temporarily make oneself uncomfortable, as in
paying a price.
Making others happy is sometimes considered selfish because it does make you
happy yourself. Giving and receiving; often giving is the greater pleasure,
and gratitude or appreciation on receiving gives a pleasure, again to the
giver. So even if you are a giver, you can give pleasure by being a
receiver by appreciation and thanks for what has been given you. (Sorry
that's a bit long winded).
Paying a price is often seen as sacrifice - but if you constantly monitor
yourself and make sure you are not either greedy or spoilt, you should have
no need to pay a price.
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| User: "formerly known as cat arranger" |
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05 Oct 2004 02:16:15 PM |
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If making someone else happy makes you happy and that is
called selfish, then the only unselfish person would be one that
has no need to be happy, which isn't human. It is a deep hole
that, thinking that everyone is selfish, not matter what they do
or feel, or think?
"The Art of Selfishness" by Seabury is great, I guess, because I
read the book and I never have a problem with selfishness, either
condemning myself or others.
"A wise unselfishness is not a surrender of yourself to the wishes
of anyone, but only to the best discoverable course of action."
"Nature is at work. Character and destiny are her handiwork.
She gives us love and hate, jealousy and reverence. All that is
ours is the power to choose which impulse we shall follow."
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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: "Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
: news:cjpi6g$sun@library2.airnews.net...
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: > "nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
: > news:3fb811f7.0410030714.30b8aed3@posting.google.com...
: > > There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
: > > to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
: > > nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
: >
: > All a person can do is try to make himself happy, but the best way to
make
: > oneself happy is to make others happy. From another angle, the best way
: to
: > make oneself happy is to temporarily make oneself uncomfortable, as in
: > paying a price.
: >
:
: Making others happy is sometimes considered selfish because it does make
you
: happy yourself. Giving and receiving; often giving is the greater
pleasure,
: and gratitude or appreciation on receiving gives a pleasure, again to the
: giver. So even if you are a giver, you can give pleasure by being a
: receiver by appreciation and thanks for what has been given you. (Sorry
: that's a bit long winded).
:
: Paying a price is often seen as sacrifice - but if you constantly monitor
: yourself and make sure you are not either greedy or spoilt, you should
have
: no need to pay a price.
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| User: "block" |
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05 Oct 2004 04:38:06 PM |
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:6qC8d.27759$Hz.8608@fed1read04...
If making someone else happy makes you happy and that is
called selfish, then the only unselfish person would be one that
has no need to be happy, which isn't human. It is a deep hole
that, thinking that everyone is selfish, not matter what they do
or feel, or think?
"The Art of Selfishness" by Seabury is great, I guess, because I
read the book and I never have a problem with selfishness, either
condemning myself or others.
"A wise unselfishness is not a surrender of yourself to the wishes
of anyone, but only to the best discoverable course of action."
"Nature is at work. Character and destiny are her handiwork.
She gives us love and hate, jealousy and reverence. All that is
ours is the power to choose which impulse we shall follow."
I have never had a problem with selfishness/unselfishness, but I do have a
problem with "assumption" - people that "assume" I won't mind if
they...........................
As for your last paragraph, I don't think it is in our power to choose who
we love, love is not something you can just "choose to do", it is something
that just happens - the same with jealousy and reverence. I honestly think
that the only one you have any power over is hate, and I think we can
honestly choose not to hate.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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05 Oct 2004 05:13:20 PM |
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In article <2vE8d.124$Od1.40@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:6qC8d.27759$Hz.8608@fed1read04...
If making someone else happy makes you happy and that is
called selfish, then the only unselfish person would be one that
has no need to be happy, which isn't human. It is a deep hole
that, thinking that everyone is selfish, not matter what they do
or feel, or think?
"The Art of Selfishness" by Seabury is great, I guess, because I
read the book and I never have a problem with selfishness, either
condemning myself or others.
"A wise unselfishness is not a surrender of yourself to the wishes
of anyone, but only to the best discoverable course of action."
"Nature is at work. Character and destiny are her handiwork.
She gives us love and hate, jealousy and reverence. All that is
ours is the power to choose which impulse we shall follow."
I have never had a problem with selfishness/unselfishness, but I do have a
problem with "assumption" - people that "assume" I won't mind if
they...........................
As for your last paragraph, I don't think it is in our power to choose who
we love, love is not something you can just "choose to do", it is something
that just happens - the same with jealousy and reverence. I honestly think
that the only one you have any power over is hate, and I think we can
honestly choose not to hate.
You assume an assumption.
It's possible they believe/know you will mind and do it just to ***** you
off.
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| User: "block" |
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05 Oct 2004 06:00:48 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
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You assume an assumption.
It's possible they believe/know you will mind and do it just to ***** you
off.
You mean like my best friend assumed I wouldn't mind if he committed
suicide?
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| User: "block" |
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05 Oct 2004 06:16:49 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-244066.18132005102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
You assume an assumption.
It's possible they believe/know you will mind and do it just to ***** you
off.
You mean like my best friend assumed I wouldn't mind if he committed
suicide?
Talking of his suicide now here's a strange thing - shortly after his death
I got these weird and powerful hallucinations where he was screaming and
screaming, and shouting and yelling and I felt he was doing all he could to
get through and what he was saying was "DON'T LEAVE ANYONE OUT".
Wherever he went, wherever he was, was so beautiful, so fantastic, so
immensely wonderful, that the VERY THOUGHT of anyone being left out was
excruciating to him.
He kept saying over and over and over, "make sure no one is left out" "no
one must be left out" and it was like these waves of powerful feeling and
then in between were these cries of complete rapture at how fantastic
wherever he went was.
If that's true, then wherever he went would not be perfect unless we all
went there, in which case, we are all one hundred per cent guaranteed no
matter what we do. ?
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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05 Oct 2004 08:18:15 PM |
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In article <AIF8d.381$Od1.144@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-244066.18132005102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
You assume an assumption.
It's possible they believe/know you will mind and do it just to ***** you
off.
You mean like my best friend assumed I wouldn't mind if he committed
suicide?
No, the opposite. That he knew you would mind.
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| User: "block" |
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06 Oct 2004 05:30:39 AM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-434168.21181505102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
In article <AIF8d.381$Od1.144@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-244066.18132005102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
You assume an assumption.
It's possible they believe/know you will mind and do it just to *****
you
off.
You mean like my best friend assumed I wouldn't mind if he committed
suicide?
No, the opposite. That he knew you would mind.
So my best friend committed suicide to ***** me off. ROFLMAO!!!
You must be the biggest ***** on earth!!!! :)
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| User: "block" |
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06 Oct 2004 05:45:06 AM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
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I ASSUME you don't mind, but I am killfiling you.
You have less understanding of human nature than a 3 year old - if you
haven't gleaned anything so far, why don't you read some books?
People don't commit suicide just to "***** someone off"!!! ROFLMAO!!! You
are hilarious!!!
PLONK!
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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06 Oct 2004 11:30:46 AM |
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In article <S0Q8d.516$L%4.267@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-434168.21181505102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
I ASSUME you don't mind, but I am killfiling you.
You have less understanding of human nature than a 3 year old - if you
haven't gleaned anything so far, why don't you read some books?
People don't commit suicide just to "***** someone off"!!! ROFLMAO!!! You
are hilarious!!!
Unfortunately, you've killfiled me so I can't direct you to some books
on psychology as it refers to suicide and murder.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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06 Oct 2004 11:29:03 AM |
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In article <jPP8d.512$L%4.75@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-434168.21181505102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
In article <AIF8d.381$Od1.144@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-244066.18132005102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
You assume an assumption.
It's possible they believe/know you will mind and do it just to *****
you
off.
You mean like my best friend assumed I wouldn't mind if he committed
suicide?
No, the opposite. That he knew you would mind.
So my best friend committed suicide to ***** me off. ROFLMAO!!!
You must be the biggest ***** on earth!!!! :)
Was he successful? Were you hurt, angry, and so on?
Of course, psychology takes the perspective that suicide is retroflected
murder, so you might have gotten off pretty easily.
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| User: "block" |
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06 Oct 2004 08:20:34 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-8CF1B9.12290306102004@news.isp.giganews.com...
Was he successful? Were you hurt, angry, and so on?
Of course, psychology takes the perspective that suicide is retroflected
murder, so you might have gotten off pretty easily.
You think so?
You think it was my fault?
That's what I thought............they keep saying I wasn't to blame, but you
are right, I am.
I have been contemplating suicide myself...............this is what I
needed.............just the confirmation that it is my fault.
I am sure death is better than this............
Thanks for telling me the truth. All these white lies they keep giving me
about how it's not my fault, I knew they were wrong.
x
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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06 Oct 2004 08:26:49 PM |
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"block" <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote:
Was he successful? Were you hurt, angry, and so on?
Of course, psychology takes the perspective that suicide is retroflected
murder, so you might have gotten off pretty easily.
You think so?
You think it was my fault?
That's what I thought............they keep saying I wasn't to blame, but you
are right, I am.
I have been contemplating suicide myself...............this is what I
needed.............just the confirmation that it is my fault.
I am sure death is better than this............
Thanks for telling me the truth. All these white lies they keep giving me
about how it's not my fault, I knew they were wrong.
Seems to me that if there is no point to anything, then there is no
point to killing yourself. Why would one go through the effort?
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| User: "Keynes" |
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06 Oct 2004 11:09:33 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:26:49 GMT, "Daniel T." <postmaster@earthlink.net> wrote:
"block" <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote:
Was he successful? Were you hurt, angry, and so on?
Of course, psychology takes the perspective that suicide is retroflected
murder, so you might have gotten off pretty easily.
You think so?
You think it was my fault?
That's what I thought............they keep saying I wasn't to blame, but you
are right, I am.
I have been contemplating suicide myself...............this is what I
needed.............just the confirmation that it is my fault.
I am sure death is better than this............
Thanks for telling me the truth. All these white lies they keep giving me
about how it's not my fault, I knew they were wrong.
Seems to me that if there is no point to anything, then there is no
point to killing yourself. Why would one go through the effort?
In my view we all have some obligations to others, but we can't own
them or be responsible for them any more than they are responsible
for ourselves. It seems that we have so little control over our own
feelings and actions, how can we be blamed for what others do?
In cases of parental divorce or death of loved ones, we can feel
a lot of guilt, but really no one has the power to control others.
In my 20's I contemplated suicide because everything had seemed
to go wrong. Then I thought, "Why not just accept that my previous
model for living can't be maintained, and just begin a completely new
one from the bottom up." It worked for me.
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| User: "block" |
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07 Oct 2004 02:13:40 PM |
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"Keynes" <Keynes@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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In my view we all have some obligations to others, but we can't own
them or be responsible for them any more than they are responsible
for ourselves. It seems that we have so little control over our own
feelings and actions, how can we be blamed for what others do?
In cases of parental divorce or death of loved ones, we can feel
a lot of guilt, but really no one has the power to control others.
In my 20's I contemplated suicide because everything had seemed
to go wrong. Then I thought, "Why not just accept that my previous
model for living can't be maintained, and just begin a completely new
one from the bottom up." It worked for me.
It's not just me that blames myself, it's all our circle of friends and
family - he was due to go into prison and suffered terribly from
claustrophobia - I think that played a large part.
I came into a HUGE amount of money, he left everything to me and it would be
a bit of a waste not to at least travel around the world a few times ;)
What you say about "begin a new life from the bottom up" isn't that a bit
like Shamanism - don't they destroy themselves completely and then "rise
like a phoenix out of the ashes"? - that sounds a bit like what you did.
On that basis I will go into self destruct mode and resurface after several
or many beers! ;)
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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07 Oct 2004 06:28:14 PM |
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In article <Ezg9d.2288$7g1.773@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Keynes" <Keynes@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
news:7rf9m09agi925dq510pchdiuc17p7dpmmb@4ax.com...
In my view we all have some obligations to others, but we can't own
them or be responsible for them any more than they are responsible
for ourselves. It seems that we have so little control over our own
feelings and actions, how can we be blamed for what others do?
In cases of parental divorce or death of loved ones, we can feel
a lot of guilt, but really no one has the power to control others.
In my 20's I contemplated suicide because everything had seemed
to go wrong. Then I thought, "Why not just accept that my previous
model for living can't be maintained, and just begin a completely new
one from the bottom up." It worked for me.
It's not just me that blames myself, it's all our circle of friends and
family - he was due to go into prison and suffered terribly from
claustrophobia - I think that played a large part.
If they think you are at fault and you think that you are at fault then,
why should we disagree?
I came into a HUGE amount of money, he left everything to me and it would be
a bit of a waste not to at least travel around the world a few times ;)
What you say about "begin a new life from the bottom up" isn't that a bit
like Shamanism - don't they destroy themselves completely and then "rise
like a phoenix out of the ashes"? - that sounds a bit like what you did.
On that basis I will go into self destruct mode and resurface after several
or many beers! ;)
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| User: "Keynes" |
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05 Oct 2004 04:38:24 PM |
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:16:15 -0700, "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
If making someone else happy makes you happy and that is
called selfish, then the only unselfish person would be one that
has no need to be happy, which isn't human. It is a deep hole
that, thinking that everyone is selfish, not matter what they do
or feel, or think?
"The Art of Selfishness" by Seabury is great, I guess, because I
read the book and I never have a problem with selfishness, either
condemning myself or others.
"A wise unselfishness is not a surrender of yourself to the wishes
of anyone, but only to the best discoverable course of action."
"Nature is at work. Character and destiny are her handiwork.
She gives us love and hate, jealousy and reverence. All that is
ours is the power to choose which impulse we shall follow."
We're doomed by nature to do as we please.
That's the nature of the sensation of free will.
Observers may doubt that an altruistic act is actually
selfish, but self examination shows it to be true.
Every volitional act is designed to maximize happiness,
even if it only minimizes pain. It occasionally occurs to
someone that his volitional acts have been misguided
and have led to the opposite of the intended result.
This is 'sin', literally 'to miss the mark'. Medieval
ascetics discovered that there is no escape from selfish
willfulness. This crisis, the 'dark night of the soul', is
the discovery of man's utter sinfulness causing his earthly
torment. Realizing this, they open themselves to grace,
the hand of an 'other power' to descend to them and
relieve them of self-centeredness.
Original sin is discriminating good and bad from a selfish
perspective. It is to suppose that man is his own master
capable of selfish success. Salvation is to give that up and
to trust in the goodness and mercy of God.
That's a christian theological formula.
The zen formula is similar, but without a biblical God.
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| User: "block" |
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03 Oct 2004 05:34:47 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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From another angle, the best way to
make oneself happy is to temporarily make oneself uncomfortable, as in
paying a price.
A bit like say the whole world forgot it's sense of humour. Everyone was
dead serious for a long, long time. And then suddenly, one day, someone
said something just a little bit funny.
Everyone would KILL themselves laughing because they hadn't laughed in such
a long, long time.
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| User: "Chzwmn" |
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04 Oct 2004 02:59:08 AM |
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
news:3fb811f7.0410030714.30b8aed3@posting.google.com...
There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
All a person can do is try to make himself happy, but the best way to make
oneself happy is to make others happy.
Not true - some make themselves happy by strapping a bomb round their but and
setting it off in a school full of children
From another angle, the best way to
make oneself happy is to temporarily make oneself uncomfortable, as in
paying a price.
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| User: "block" |
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03 Oct 2004 01:28:23 PM |
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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03 Oct 2004 01:37:51 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make themselves
feel good.
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| User: "block" |
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03 Oct 2004 02:01:38 PM |
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
themselves
feel good.
Ah! I see. So the fact that people like to feel good rather than bad is a
bad thing, a just cause for depression, and that there would indeed be a
point to existence if more people liked to feel bad?
That is logical, but makes as much sense as my first interpretation of this
remark! :(
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
themselves
feel good.
Ah! I see. So the fact that people like to feel good rather than bad is a
bad thing, a just cause for depression, and that there would indeed be a
point to existence if more people liked to feel bad?
That is logical, but makes as much sense as my first interpretation of this
remark! :(
Reformulation 1 to counter a perceived (choice) between the options;
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make themselves
either feel good OR bad.
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03 Oct 2004 02:36:58 PM |
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person
is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would
be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a
goal, is
there not a point?
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
themselves
feel good.
Ah! I see. So the fact that people like to feel good rather than bad
is a
bad thing, a just cause for depression, and that there would indeed be a
point to existence if more people liked to feel bad?
That is logical, but makes as much sense as my first interpretation of
this
remark! :(
Reformulation 1 to counter a perceived (choice) between the options;
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
themselves
either feel good OR bad.
I'm beginning to see now - he has shown that he is depressed and that he
feels there is no "point" to anything, BECAUSE all people want is to feel
good.
WELL OF COURSE THEY DO!
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| User: "formerly known as cat arranger" |
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05 Oct 2004 02:09:48 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:N7mdnfLWQZRk0v3cRVn-jQ@comcast.com...
: >
: > "block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: > news:m0Y7d.421$24.288@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
: > >
: > > "Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > > news:koGdnY-UUKIW2v3cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
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: > > > > > There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every
person
: is
: > > > > > to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there
would
: be
: > > > > > nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
: > > > >
: > > > > If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
: > > > > A goal surely is the same as a point?
: > > > > Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a
: goal, is
: > > > > there not a point?
: > > > >
: > > >
: > > > He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people
make
: > > themselves
: > > > feel good.
: > > >
: > >
: > > Ah! I see. So the fact that people like to feel good rather than bad
: is a
: > > bad thing, a just cause for depression, and that there would indeed be
a
: > > point to existence if more people liked to feel bad?
: > > That is logical, but makes as much sense as my first interpretation of
: this
: > > remark! :(
: > >
: >
: > Reformulation 1 to counter a perceived (choice) between the options;
: >
: > He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
: themselves
: > either feel good OR bad.
: >
:
: I'm beginning to see now - he has shown that he is depressed and that he
: feels there is no "point" to anything, BECAUSE all people want is to feel
: good.
: WELL OF COURSE THEY DO!
Maybe some people don't want to feel good, on an important level.
A friend of mine never got over being beaten by her brother as a child
and her parents failure to protect her and their love for her brother. She
didn't fell that she deserved to be happy.
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| User: "block" |
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05 Oct 2004 04:38:06 PM |
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
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Maybe some people don't want to feel good, on an important level.
A friend of mine never got over being beaten by her brother as a child
and her parents failure to protect her and their love for her brother. She
didn't fell that she deserved to be happy.
Yes, that is a problem, and then there's those that self harm, and then also
those that feel good by doing bad things as a way of getting back at
deprivation or whatever. As time goes by, man's emotions/feelings are
becoming more warped, repressed, unnatural. We are going to reach a stage
where instead of "I love you" we'll just get a slap round the face and say
"Hmmm, well that was a marginal improvement on being shot!" :)
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03 Oct 2004 01:45:17 PM |
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
themselves
feel good.
That can make you go blind.
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03 Oct 2004 02:06:07 PM |
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
He hasn't shown that there is no goal necessarily because people make
themselves
feel good.
That can make you go blind.
And I know how it should be
There is nothing more for you and i
Some are young and some are free
But I think I’m goin’ blind
’cause, I think I’m goin’ blind
And I know how it’s to be, yeah
Little lady, can’t you see
You’re so young and so much different than i
I’m 93, you’re sixteen
Can’t you see I’m goin’ blind
’cause, I think I’m goin’ blind
And I know how it’s to be, yeah
’cause, I think I’m goin’ blind
And I know how it’s to be, yeah
You’re much younger, can’t you see
There is nothing more for you and i
I’m 93, you’re sixteen
And I think I’m goin’ blind
Yes, I think I’m goin’ blind
And I know how it’s to be, yeah
http://images.google.com/images?q=kiss+rock
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/kiss/
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04 Oct 2004 02:57:30 AM |
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
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There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
If there is no point then how come there is a goal?
A goal surely is the same as a point?
Maybe there would be no point without a goal, but if there is a goal, is
there not a point?
You have to invent your own goals, and your own meaning to life
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| User: "formerly known as cat arranger" |
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05 Oct 2004 02:05:51 PM |
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"nothing" <cfi483x4kbgli8a@jetable.com> wrote in message
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: There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
: to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
: nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
WHen you say 'feel good', do you mean 'feel pleasure'?
Isn't it that people differ in what makes them feel pleasure?
Some feel pleasure from drugs and some from helping children.
It's hard to argue that pleasure is the only goal when mothers
die for their children and men die for their country.
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| User: "" |
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04 Oct 2004 04:56:40 AM |
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(nothing) wrote in message news:<3fb811f7.0410030714.30b8aed3@posting.google.com>...
There is absolutely no point to anything. The goal of every person is
to make themselves feel good, if they never felt good there would be
nothing at all to live for. This is impossible to escape from.
Imagine you didn't like the fact that clouds move. For some reason it
really bothered you that they shift and go away. Every day you wake up
saying life is terrible because it makes the fluffy clouds change.
Every day you wish there were a way to make the clouds freeze in the
most beautiful sky. You wouldn't be wrong in being miserable because
the clouds do in fact move. The question is why the hell do you care
about the clouds so much?
So now think about whatever bothers you and consider what if you are
being the nut bitching at the clouds. You do have a right to complain
about the clouds, but realize we don't control the entire Universe.
That control is at the core of every complaint. The only people who
are happy are the ones who accepted they couldn't control the clouds.
But if you really care about the clouds a lot maybe you are willing to
fight and die for them. I don't think either side is actually right or
wrong. One is certainly more realistic and practical, but that doesn't
make them necessarily right.
"I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered something he will die
for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
but again we are talking about clouds..so how much mental anguish and
effort are you willing to endure by resisting the movements of the
clouds?
Do you really wish life had a point? Are you willing to die to try and
give life a point or to find it? Well you aren't doing a good job of
fighting by supporting the thing you hate. And if you don't want to
fight for a point then just don't care about it anymore("***** it") and
do other stuff("***** around" aka have fun it doesn't have to be
actually fucking I just like to swear). Sadly people don't act this
simply we do stuff half-assed we care yet give up at the same time..
we complain knowing it solves nothing when we should try and problem
solve. I think it comes from the idea we want God, the Universe, Luck,
or something else to do the work for us and then tell us the answer.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. At least I know to tell myself
shut-up some of the time. Like right now for instance.
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