On Oct 11, 8:38 pm, "Sean" <Hu_ca...@blah.com.au> wrote:

Defining Mysticism:

* William James: "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and "A
Suggestion
about Mysticism"

* Arthur Deikman: "Deautomatization and the Mystic Experience" and
"Bimodal Consciousness and the Mystic Experience"

* Andrew Greeley: "Ecstasy - A Way of Knowing"

* Abraham Maslow: "Religious Aspects of Peak-Experiences"

* Kenneth Wapnick: "Mysticism and Schizophrenia"

* David Lukoff: "The Diagnosis of Mystical Experience With Psychotic
Features"

* Robert Ornstein: "The Psychology of Consciousness"

* Ralph Hood: "The Construction and Preliminary Validation of a Measure
of
Mystical Experience"

Mysticism, Mental Health, and Literature:

* Schizophrenia & Mysticism (Bibliographic Essay)

* Annie Dillard: Mysticism of Pilgrim at Tinker Creek (Essay)

(Written with the assistance of Th. Emil Homerin, Professor and Chair,
University of Rochester Department of Religion and Classics.)

Details and links herehttp://sandra.stahlman.com/mystindex.html

This is a nice and simple word.

I would define it simply as a stimulus that humans perceive which
gives rise to awareness of the external world.

Beyond this we must accept that even hard cold unemotional subjects
such as physics are mystical.

Until mass is described adequately the first force is a mystery.

Hence mysticism can be maintained within the modern context without
moving to obscurity.

In the ultimate form the puzzle of existence arises.

This stimulation
is likely detectable by MRI or some such technique. This stimulus is
used to advantage by religious leaders by attributing that feeling to
God.

Conversations of this depth tend to go to this stimulus
universally and it is there and free for the taking by anyone who
wishes to receive it. How is it best used? Inevitably we arrive at
belief systems.

-Tim

On Oct 11, 8:38 pm, "Sean" <Hu_ca...@blah.com.au> wrote:

Defining Mysticism:

* William James: "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and "A
Suggestion
about Mysticism"

* Arthur Deikman: "Deautomatization and the Mystic Experience" and
"Bimodal Consciousness and the Mystic Experience"

* Andrew Greeley: "Ecstasy - A Way of Knowing"

* Abraham Maslow: "Religious Aspects of Peak-Experiences"

* Kenneth Wapnick: "Mysticism and Schizophrenia"

* David Lukoff: "The Diagnosis of Mystical Experience With Psychotic
Features"

* Robert Ornstein: "The Psychology of Consciousness"

* Ralph Hood: "The Construction and Preliminary Validation of a Measure
of
Mystical Experience"

Mysticism, Mental Health, and Literature:

* Schizophrenia & Mysticism (Bibliographic Essay)

* Annie Dillard: Mysticism of Pilgrim at Tinker Creek (Essay)

(Written with the assistance of Th. Emil Homerin, Professor and Chair,
University of Rochester Department of Religion and Classics.)

Details and links herehttp://sandra.stahlman.com/mystindex.html

This is a nice and simple word.
I would define it simply as a stimulus that humans perceive which
gives rise to awareness of the external world.
Beyond this we must accept that even hard cold unemotional subjects
such as physics are mystical.
Until mass is described adequately the first force is a mystery.
Hence mysticism can be maintained within the modern context without
moving to obscurity.

In the ultimate form the puzzle of existence arises. This stimulation
is likely detectable by MRI or some such technique. This stimulus is
used to advantage by religious leaders by attributing that feeling to
God. Conversations of this depth tend to go to this stimulus
universally and it is there and free for the taking by anyone who
wishes to receive it. How is it best used? Inevitably we arrive at
belief systems.

-Tim

This is a nice and simple word.
I would define it simply as a stimulus that humans perceive which
gives rise to awareness of the external world.
Beyond this we must accept that even hard cold unemotional subjects
such as physics are mystical.
Until mass is described adequately the first force is a mystery.
Hence mysticism can be maintained within the modern context without
moving to obscurity.
In the ultimate form the puzzle of existence arises. This stimulation
is likely detectable by MRI or some such technique. This stimulus is
used to advantage by religious leaders by attributing that feeling to
God. Conversations of this depth tend to go to this stimulus
universally and it is there and free for the taking by anyone who
wishes to receive it. How is it best used? Inevitably we arrive at
belief systems.

-Tim

You left out some of the most important stuff. You wont get any
medical 'schizophrenia' knowledge from traditional medicine about
mysticism.

Try Stan Grof who's technique regularly yields 'mystical experience'.

Sean wrote:

Defining Mysticism:

* William James: "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and "A
Suggestion
about Mysticism"

* Arthur Deikman: "Deautomatization and the Mystic Experience" and
"Bimodal Consciousness and the Mystic Experience"

* Andrew Greeley: "Ecstasy - A Way of Knowing"

* Abraham Maslow: "Religious Aspects of Peak-Experiences"

* Kenneth Wapnick: "Mysticism and Schizophrenia"

* David Lukoff: "The Diagnosis of Mystical Experience With Psychotic
Features"

* Robert Ornstein: "The Psychology of Consciousness"

* Ralph Hood: "The Construction and Preliminary Validation of a Measure
of
Mystical Experience"


Mysticism, Mental Health, and Literature:

* Schizophrenia & Mysticism (Bibliographic Essay)

* Annie Dillard: Mysticism of Pilgrim at Tinker Creek (Essay)






(Written with the assistance of Th. Emil Homerin, Professor and Chair,
University of Rochester Department of Religion and Classics.)


Details and links here http://sandra.stahlman.com/mystindex.html

Reducing "mind" to the brain is a mystical ritual, of sorts.
Electromagnetic fields can be mapped to neural activity because such
fields are detectable by instruments. But there are no "mental fields"
to detect around the brain; subjective content is only available by
personal introspection.

So either eliminativism is the correct stance in POM or reductive
views need to be defined differently. Mental states cannot be reduced
to brain states because the former do not exist extrospectively--there
is nothing to reduce.

What scientists actually seem to do is map a
person's talk (which is publicly existent) "about his or her
introspections" to brain areas. That "talk" of having psychological
states is pretty similar to a person talking about a relationship with
God (where is this "God" to be found in the "external world" apart
from the language and behavior of people?).