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10 Oct 2004 09:20:49 AM |
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What is unnatural? |
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
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10 Oct 2004 01:50:07 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
It may not be "normal"...but could it be "natural" for you?
Is anything that happens actually un-natural?
Is un-natural different from super-natural?
I have more questions, but few answers....again! :-)
Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Dare
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10 Oct 2004 02:43:45 PM |
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"Dare" <clydadare@UNSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
It may not be "normal"...but could it be "natural" for you?
Is anything that happens actually un-natural?
Is un-natural different from super-natural?
I have more questions, but few answers....again! :-)
Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Dare
There is a big difference between un-natural and super-natural.
And maybe we have devised a totally new word!
Super-natural is sitting on top of a table.
Un-natural is sitting under it.
So what would under-natural be?
That is merely a superlative over OVER natural which is sitting on a sofa.
SO
Logically and subjectively and positively and all those other words
Under-natural would be sitting UNDER the sofa!
Which (as we all know is impossible).
So, for the benefit of those that like to rule things out, under-natural is
impossible, so we have a start in our quest, and journey, (maybe an eternal
one) to discover what may or may not be, what might or might not be natural
by ruling out, right from the start, yes, we can all rule out under-natural.
I think we can all agree on this issue.
It is impossible to sit under a sofa unless you can "shape change" and turn
into an ant.
Now we all know that when discussing something simple like nature and the
universe, there must be some rules.
I vote no shape changing allowed.
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10 Oct 2004 05:16:26 PM |
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"Dare" <clydadare@UNSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
It may not be "normal"...but could it be "natural" for you?
Is anything that happens actually un-natural?
Is un-natural different from super-natural?
I have more questions, but few answers....again! :-)
Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Dare
There is a big difference between un-natural and super-natural.
And maybe we have devised a totally new word!
Super-natural is sitting on top of a table.
Un-natural is sitting under it.
So what would under-natural be?
That is merely a superlative over OVER natural which is sitting on a sofa.
SO
Logically and subjectively and positively and all those other words
Under-natural would be sitting UNDER the sofa!
Which (as we all know is impossible).
So, for the benefit of those that like to rule things out, under-natural is
impossible, so we have a start in our quest, and journey, (maybe an eternal
one) to discover what may or may not be, what might or might not be natural
by ruling out, right from the start, yes, we can all rule out under-natural.
I think we can all agree on this issue.
It is impossible to sit under a sofa unless you can "shape change" and turn
into an ant.
Now we all know that when discussing something simple like nature and the
universe, there must be some rules.
I vote no shape changing allowed.
Natural: being the table
supernatural: floating above the table
subnatural: lying under the table
Unnatural: sitting at a plastic table.
Weird doing any of the above and drinking Guiness
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11 Oct 2004 03:13:53 PM |
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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Natural: being the table
supernatural: floating above the table
subnatural: lying under the table
Unnatural: sitting at a plastic table.
Weird doing any of the above and drinking Guiness
Well, by your definition, plastic comes from earth, earth is natural,
therefore the plastic table must in some form be natural.
Sitting upside down at the table with two sticks of rhubarb coming out of
your ears and drinking Guinness through a straw and chanting "Cauliflowers
RULE OK!" with a CD running backwards through the amp and two daisies
perched between each of your toes - now is that natural?
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11 Oct 2004 05:34:53 PM |
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Well, by your definition, plastic comes from earth, earth is natural,
therefore the plastic table must in some form be natural.
Sitting upside down at the table with two sticks of rhubarb coming out of
your ears and drinking Guinness through a straw and chanting "Cauliflowers
RULE OK!" with a CD running backwards through the amp and two daisies
perched between each of your toes - now is that natural?
Now THAT IS weird!!
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10 Oct 2004 02:06:53 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
It may not be "normal"...but could it be "natural" for you?
Is anything that happens actually un-natural?
Is un-natural different from super-natural?
I have more questions, but few answers....again! :-)
Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Dare
Nothing is un-natural!!!
All is part of nature.
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10 Oct 2004 02:09:34 PM |
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
It may not be "normal"...but could it be "natural" for you?
Is anything that happens actually un-natural?
Is un-natural different from super-natural?
I have more questions, but few answers....again! :-)
Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Dare
Nothing is un-natural!!!
All is part of nature.
An aeroplane doing speed flying and knocking birds unconscious is natural?
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10 Oct 2004 02:14:20 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote
I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
It may not be "normal"...but could it be "natural" for you?
Is anything that happens actually un-natural?
Is un-natural different from super-natural?
I have more questions, but few answers....again! :-)
Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Dare
Nothing is un-natural!!!
All is part of nature.
An aeroplane doing speed flying and knocking birds unconscious is natural?
Yes. It's like fishing with dynamite.
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10 Oct 2004 02:36:17 PM |
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"Welsh Taxidermist" <lemon@limey.uk> wrote in message
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Yes. It's like fishing with dynamite.
Or eating prawn cocktail with a crane, mind you, when I say crane I mean the
lift up variety because I understand cranes, the bird variety DO eat prawn
cocktail, leading us onto the interesting double meanings of words.
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10 Oct 2004 02:41:07 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Welsh Taxidermist" <lemon@limey.uk> wrote in message
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Yes. It's like fishing with dynamite.
Or eating prawn cocktail with a crane, mind you, when I say crane I mean
the
lift up variety because I understand cranes, the bird variety DO eat prawn
cocktail, leading us onto the interesting double meanings of words.
That's cool.
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10 Oct 2004 05:12:49 PM |
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"Welsh Taxidermist" <lemon@limey.uk> wrote in message
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Yes. It's like fishing with dynamite.
Or eating prawn cocktail with a crane, mind you, when I say crane I mean the
lift up variety because I understand cranes, the bird variety DO eat prawn
cocktail, leading us onto the interesting double meanings of words.
Spooky!!!!! Is sheep shagging natural?
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10 Oct 2004 05:20:54 PM |
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Welsh Taxidermist" <lemon@limey.uk> wrote in message
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Yes. It's like fishing with dynamite.
Or eating prawn cocktail with a crane, mind you, when I say crane I mean
the
lift up variety because I understand cranes, the bird variety DO eat prawn
cocktail, leading us onto the interesting double meanings of words.
Spooky!!!!! Is sheep shagging natural?
It seems to be in the UK. Can it be less natural than
wanking in a burning submarine?
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10 Oct 2004 05:12:03 PM |
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Nothing is un-natural!!!
All is part of nature.
An aeroplane doing speed flying and knocking birds unconscious is natural?
Yes. It's like fishing with dynamite.
Seems natural enough to me!!! Is it any different to other forms of fishing???
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10 Oct 2004 05:11:14 PM |
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Nothing is un-natural!!!
All is part of nature.
An aeroplane doing speed flying and knocking birds unconscious is natural?
Of course!! Birds make ***** -that is natural. Man makes aeoroplane. Man is
natural: aeroplane is natural. Aeroplae made of metal. All elements found in
the plane are natural, they all came from the earth. The earth is natural, as
is the solar system.
Now if you want to make boundaries with the word I'll be prepared to listen.
It might be something like this.
Things consciously created are unnatural.
OR
Things not in "the natural order" are unnatural. This is a dangerous one, aint
it??
If you believe in god the first one is tricky.
What is on your mind????
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11 Oct 2004 03:13:52 PM |
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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Of course!! Birds make ***** -that is natural. Man makes aeoroplane. Man is
natural: aeroplane is natural. Aeroplae made of metal. All elements found
in
the plane are natural, they all came from the earth. The earth is natural,
as
is the solar system.
Now if you want to make boundaries with the word I'll be prepared to
listen.
It might be something like this.
Things consciously created are unnatural.
OR
Things not in "the natural order" are unnatural. This is a dangerous one,
aint
it??
If you believe in god the first one is tricky.
What is on your mind????
I do agree if you put it like that, aeroplane comes from earth, earth is
natural, therefore plane is natural.
Let us say a girl friend of yours has a baby and you phone up 2-3 days later
and say
"How's the baby?" and the girl friend says
"Oh, I chopped it up and made a spaghetti bolognaise with it and ate it"
Would you call that natural?
Or would you call that weird, odd, unusual, sick, perverted, insane? (etc)
And are all these words natural? In which case, is it perfectly natural to
make a spaghetti bolognaise out of one's baby?
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11 Oct 2004 05:32:52 PM |
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Of course!! Birds make ***** -that is natural. Man makes aeoroplane. Man is
natural: aeroplane is natural. Aeroplae made of metal. All elements found
in
the plane are natural, they all came from the earth. The earth is natural,
as
is the solar system.
Now if you want to make boundaries with the word I'll be prepared to
listen.
It might be something like this.
Things consciously created are unnatural.
OR
Things not in "the natural order" are unnatural. This is a dangerous one,
aint
it??
If you believe in god the first one is tricky.
What is on your mind????
I do agree if you put it like that, aeroplane comes from earth, earth is
natural, therefore plane is natural.
Let us say a girl friend of yours has a baby and you phone up 2-3 days later
and say
"How's the baby?" and the girl friend says
"Oh, I chopped it up and made a spaghetti bolognaise with it and ate it"
Would you call that natural?
Or would you call that weird, odd, unusual, sick, perverted, insane? (etc)
And are all these words natural? In which case, is it perfectly natural to
make a spaghetti bolognaise out of one's baby?
I could probably find you many examples in nature where mothers eat their
offspring. It is VERY common amoungst rabbits.
I might be inclined to call it cultural. Afterall Spag. Bol. is a culturally
constructed phenomenon and many choose to let the word "natural" do service in
contradistinction to the idea of human culture and culturally constructed
objects. I'm thinking here of archaeology for example.
I would call my girl friend eating her baby tragic. I don't think it has much
to do with natural or unnatural.
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11 Oct 2004 05:43:21 PM |
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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I could probably find you many examples in nature where mothers eat their
offspring. It is VERY common amoungst rabbits.
I might be inclined to call it cultural. Afterall Spag. Bol. is a
culturally
constructed phenomenon and many choose to let the word "natural" do
service in
contradistinction to the idea of human culture and culturally constructed
objects. I'm thinking here of archaeology for example.
I would call my girl friend eating her baby tragic. I don't think it has
much
to do with natural or unnatural.
Reminds me of a story by Asimov where a group of people are marooned in
space and they have to eat one another to stay alive. It is decided that
the mother and baby should take precedence and after a long period of time
of eating her companions and slowly going insane the mother and baby get
rescued and as the guy comes in through the door to rescue them she looks at
the baby and says "Look - some breakfast!"
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12 Oct 2004 12:24:35 AM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
What is not 'manmade'?
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10 Oct 2004 11:11:53 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
And eventually we both sat under a table
"This is unnatural" we concluded!
Well, we should agree to a definition before we go reading each others minds
wrongly. Which one of these definitions is being used? If we prefix it with an
"un" it means not accustomed, anticipated, characteristic, common, commonplace,
congenital, connatural, consistent, constant, counted on, customary, essential,
everyday, familiar, general, habitual, inborn, indigenous, ingenerate, inherent,
innate, instinctive, intuitive, involuntary, legitimate, logical, looked for,
matter-of-course, natal, native, ordinary, prevailing, prevalent, probable,
reasonable, regular, relied on, spontaneous, typic, typical, unacquired,
uncontrolled, uniform, universal, or usual, we require the number of the usage in
order to narrow it a bit.
1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
2. Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment.
3. Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death.
4.
1. Not acquired; inherent: Love of power is natural to some people.
2. Having a particular character by nature: a natural leader.
3. Biology. Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned:
natural immunity; a natural reflex.
5. Characterized by spontaneity and freedom from artificiality, affectation,
or inhibitions. See Synonyms at naive.
6. Not altered, treated, or disguised: natural coloring; natural produce.
7. Faithfully representing nature or life.
8. Expected and accepted: “In Willie's mind marriage remained the natural and
logical sequence to love” (Duff Cooper).
9. Established by moral certainty or conviction: natural rights.
10. Being in a state regarded as primitive, uncivilized, or unregenerate.
11.
1. Related by blood: the natural parents of the child.
2. Born of unwed parents: a natural child.
12. Mathematics. Of or relating to positive integers, sometimes including zero.
13. Music.
1. Not sharped or flatted.
2. Having no sharps or flats.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=natural
Main Entry: un-
Function: prefix
1 : not <uncounseled>
2 : contrary to <unconstitutional>
Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=un
un-1
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Not: unhappy.
Opposite of; contrary to: unrest.
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[Middle English, from Old English. See ne in Indo-European Roots.]
Usage Note: The negative prefix un- attaches chiefly to adjectives (unable,
unclean, unequal, unripe, unsafe) and participles used as adjectives (unfeeling,
unflinching, unfinished, unsaid), and less frequently to nouns (unbelief,
unconcern, unrest). Sometimes the noun form of an adjective with the un- prefix
has the prefix in-, as in inability, inequality, injustice, and instability. A
few stems appear with both prefixes with distinctions of meaning. Inhuman means
“brutal, monstrous,” while unhuman means “not of human form, superhuman.”·When
used with adjectives, un- often has a sense distinct from that of non-. Non-
picks out the set of things that are not in the category denoted by the stem to
which it is attached, whereas un- picks out properties unlike those of the
typical examples of the category. Thus nonmilitary personnel are those who are
not members of the military, whereas someone who is unmilitary is unlike a
typical soldier in dress, habits, or attitudes.
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un-2
pref.
To reverse or undo the result of a specified action: unbind.
To deprive of or remove a specified thing: unfrock.
To release, free, or remove from: unyoke.
Used as an intensive: unloose.
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[Middle English, from Old English on-, alteration (influenced by un-, not), of
ond-, and-, an-, against, opposing; see ant- in Indo-European Roots.]
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11 Oct 2004 06:20:38 AM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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:I was trying to define what was unnatural once with a friend.
: And eventually we both sat under a table
: "This is unnatural" we concluded!
That depends. It's hard to imagine an animal doing
something that can't be called natural but they do
some weird things, like eating their young, killing their
mates, committing suicide... so natural doesn't mean
healthy or comfortable but maybe there is an element
of unpolluted by the bad parts of civilization, human.
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| User: "block" |
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11 Oct 2004 04:47:48 PM |
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"noel" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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That depends. It's hard to imagine an animal doing
something that can't be called natural but they do
some weird things, like eating their young, killing their
mates, committing suicide... so natural doesn't mean
healthy or comfortable but maybe there is an element
of unpolluted by the bad parts of civilization, human.
It is very hard to see a lot of what man does as natural, if you have ever
seen a Zeppelin float across the sky in that huge eerie silence there is
something kind of "unnatural" about that. I know everything on earth is
natural, so in effect nothing can be unnatural as such, but some things
beggar belief and just don't seem to "fit" comfortably with mother nature.
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12 Oct 2004 04:02:58 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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: "noel" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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: > That depends. It's hard to imagine an animal doing
: > something that can't be called natural but they do
: > some weird things, like eating their young, killing their
: > mates, committing suicide... so natural doesn't mean
: > healthy or comfortable but maybe there is an element
: > of unpolluted by the bad parts of civilization, human.
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: It is very hard to see a lot of what man does as natural, if you have ever
: seen a Zeppelin float across the sky in that huge eerie silence there is
: something kind of "unnatural" about that. I know everything on earth is
: natural, so in effect nothing can be unnatural as such, but some things
: beggar belief and just don't seem to "fit" comfortably with mother nature.
Something that makes you uncomfortable is unnatural then?
An eerie feeling can be had by watching video of a queen bee
killing her sisters. It's not good in human sense, but it is natural.
Natural means comfortable, healthy, good... but is disguised as
if it were from God by calling it part of creation and therefore
by God.
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12 Oct 2004 05:03:04 PM |
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
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Natural means comfortable, healthy, good... but is disguised as
if it were from God by calling it part of creation and therefore
by God.
Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
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12 Oct 2004 10:09:56 PM |
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"block" <block@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com>
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Natural means comfortable, healthy, good... but is disguised as
if it were from God by calling it part of creation and therefore
by God.
Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
True is the opposite of false. Artificial is the opposite of natural
except in politics where all bets are off.
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13 Oct 2004 02:59:00 PM |
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Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
There is nothing more natural than excrement.
False bing the opposite that would make bull ***** true!!!!!!
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13 Oct 2004 03:54:35 PM |
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"Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
There is nothing more natural than excrement.
False bing the opposite that would make bull ***** true!!!!!!
Some words have no opposites. For *****, the closest
thing to an opposite would be Cowfeed, unless the animal
is a hermaphrodite, then it might be BullCowShitFeed,
in which case, if the Bull has been castrated, it is an
Oxenmoron.
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14 Oct 2004 12:19:43 AM |
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: >>Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
: >
: > There is nothing more natural than excrement.
: > False bing the opposite that would make bull ***** true!!!!!!
:
: Some words have no opposites. For *****, the closest
: thing to an opposite would be Cowfeed, unless the animal
: is a hermaphrodite, then it might be BullCowShitFeed,
: in which case, if the Bull has been castrated, it is an
: Oxenmoron.
The only true opposites are the complement in set theory.
The opposite of truth is "not truth" or everything that is
not truth. That is in the universal set. If you limit a set to
say politics then one subset could be "everything in politics
that is *****" and the opposite would be "everything in
politics that is not *****".
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| Title: Re: What is unnatural? |
14 Oct 2004 02:02:19 PM |
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
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"Wank Blindness Prevention" <boink@bird.org.uk> wrote in message
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: "Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
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: > >
: >>
: >>Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
: >
: > There is nothing more natural than excrement.
: > False bing the opposite that would make bull ***** true!!!!!!
:
: Some words have no opposites. For *****, the closest
: thing to an opposite would be Cowfeed, unless the animal
: is a hermaphrodite, then it might be BullCowShitFeed,
: in which case, if the Bull has been castrated, it is an
: Oxenmoron.
The only true opposites are the complement in set theory.
The opposite of truth is "not truth" or everything that is
not truth. That is in the universal set. If you limit a set to
say politics then one subset could be "everything in politics
that is *****" and the opposite would be "everything in
politics that is not *****".
***** is one word. Not ***** is two words. That's
fudging.
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| User: "formerly known as cat arranger" |
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| Title: Re: What is unnatural? |
14 Oct 2004 09:39:43 PM |
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"Patrioaf" <boink@bird.org.uk> wrote in message
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: "formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote
: in message news:O%nbd.73456$a85.49876@fed1read04...
: >
: > "Wank Blindness Prevention" <boink@bird.org.uk> wrote in message
: > news:YoydnShEHZSMC_DcRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
: > :
: > : "Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
: > : news:20041013155900.04811.00004581@mb-m24.aol.com...
: > : > >
: > : >>
: > : >>Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
: > : >
: > : > There is nothing more natural than excrement.
: > : > False bing the opposite that would make bull ***** true!!!!!!
: > :
: > : Some words have no opposites. For *****, the closest
: > : thing to an opposite would be Cowfeed, unless the animal
: > : is a hermaphrodite, then it might be BullCowShitFeed,
: > : in which case, if the Bull has been castrated, it is an
: > : Oxenmoron.
: >
: > The only true opposites are the complement in set theory.
: > The opposite of truth is "not truth" or everything that is
: > not truth. That is in the universal set. If you limit a set to
: > say politics then one subset could be "everything in politics
: > that is *****" and the opposite would be "everything in
: > politics that is not *****".
:
: ***** is one word. Not ***** is two words. That's
: fudging.
In German it's Bullshitennot. : -)
Naw, that's *****.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: What is unnatural? |
14 Oct 2004 11:45:15 AM |
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:O%nbd.73456$a85.49876@fed1read04...
"Wank Blindness Prevention" <boink@bird.org.uk> wrote in message
news:YoydnShEHZSMC_DcRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
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: "Chzwmn" <chzwmn@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:20041013155900.04811.00004581@mb-m24.aol.com...
: > >
: >>
: >>Natural could be considered the opposite of false.
: >
: > There is nothing more natural than excrement.
: > False bing the opposite that would make bull ***** true!!!!!!
:
: Some words have no opposites. For *****, the closest
: thing to an opposite would be Cowfeed, unless the animal
: is a hermaphrodite, then it might be BullCowShitFeed,
: in which case, if the Bull has been castrated, it is an
: Oxenmoron.
The only true opposites are the complement in set theory.
The opposite of truth is "not truth" or everything that is
not truth. That is in the universal set. If you limit a set to
say politics then one subset could be "everything in politics
that is *****" and the opposite would be "everything in
politics that is not *****".
But if ***** is a synonym for or equivalent to "false information" then whats
the problem. Its opposite is "true information."
Copi claims that we should default to the affirm mode if its doubly negated. For
instance instead of saying "not false" we just say true instead. We are allowed
to say "not true" but not "not false." This is the consensus in the philosophy
community because Copi sayth so and symbolic logic is easier to understand that
way.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0130749214/qid=1097772394/
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Introduction+to+Logic%22+Copi
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