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"AKA gray asphalt" |
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30 Nov 2005 08:12:08 PM |
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What scares me about traditional Christianity |
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
30 Nov 2005 08:43:53 PM |
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"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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30 Nov 2005 09:22:48 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@airmail.net> wrote in message news:11osorbhqsd3jb9@corp.supernews.com...
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:rZsjf.313$La5.50@fed1read01...
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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30 Nov 2005 09:49:51 PM |
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
There's a lot of hope in Revelation. It is just another of Jesus' parables.
Look at the last pages: no more suffering, no more death, every tear wiped
from your eyes, a tree whose leaves are for the healing of the nations... It
just takes a lot of heavy construction work to get to that point.
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| User: "Turtoni" |
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30 Nov 2005 09:53:38 PM |
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
There's a lot of hope in Revelation. It is just another of Jesus'
parables.
Look at the last pages: no more suffering, no more death, every tear wiped
from your eyes, a tree whose leaves are for the healing of the nations...
It just takes a lot of heavy construction work to get to that point.
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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30 Nov 2005 10:03:29 PM |
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
There's a lot of hope in Revelation. It is just another of Jesus'
parables.
Look at the last pages: no more suffering, no more death, every tear
wiped from your eyes, a tree whose leaves are for the healing of the
nations... It just takes a lot of heavy construction work to get to that
point.
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
Jesus was a philosopher.
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| User: "JusUK" |
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02 Dec 2005 04:06:48 AM |
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
There's a lot of hope in Revelation. It is just another of Jesus'
parables.
Look at the last pages: no more suffering, no more death, every tear
wiped from your eyes, a tree whose leaves are for the healing of the
nations... It just takes a lot of heavy construction work to get to that
point.
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
Jesus was a philosopher.
Too right. Also one of the subjects of much philosophical thought,
hopefully, rather than blind fanatical faith!
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| User: "Stu" |
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02 Dec 2005 12:54:20 PM |
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On 2005-12-02 02:06:48 -0800, "JusUK" <jusuk@travel-diarySPAMOFF.de> said:
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
Jesus was a philosopher.
Too right. Also one of the subjects of much philosophical thought,
hopefully, rather than blind fanatical faith!
First of all, his name was Josh. Back in the day they called him
Yeshua. That translates to Josh. Jesus is the name of my gardner.
Josh was no philosopher. He echoed traditional sentiments from the Old
Testament. If we are to believe the NT as history there is no evidence
that he progressed any new principals or paradigms. "Love thy neighbor"
was around long before he showed up.
It was clearly Paul who borrowed from the myth of Dionysus the concept
of a god dying for others sins who was the innovator. He successfully
cobbled a religion together from Pagan myths and monotheism that was
easily understood by those who hated Rome. This Roman underclass were
in a perfect place to accept a philosophy contrary to Stoicism.
Instead of having to work hard towards a life of excellence, these
people could benefit from a religion that promised the meek inheriting
the earth. With little or no work they would find their rewards in the
afterlife. What's not to like?
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~Stu
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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02 Dec 2005 09:14:14 PM |
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On 2005-12-02 02:06:48 -0800, "JusUK" <jusuk@travel-diarySPAMOFF.de> said:
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
Jesus was a philosopher.
Too right. Also one of the subjects of much philosophical thought,
hopefully, rather than blind fanatical faith!
First of all, his name was Josh. Back in the day they called him Yeshua.
That translates to Josh. Jesus is the name of my gardner.
Josh was no philosopher.
You don't think "Josh" searched after wisdom and explanations for phenomena?
He was continually into the meaning of life.
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| User: "tooly" |
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01 Dec 2005 07:36:37 PM |
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
There's a lot of hope in Revelation. It is just another of Jesus'
parables.
Look at the last pages: no more suffering, no more death, every tear
wiped from your eyes, a tree whose leaves are for the healing of the
nations... It just takes a lot of heavy construction work to get to that
point.
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
You know, you're right turtoni. Seems religion has been a subject as of
late on this NG. An every now and then post is the normal fare. Not sure
why the interest as of late. There are 'principles' found within religious
precepts that I think are more than applicable to philosophical discussion.
But religion per se...not really.
What is evil. What is love. Are there angels in the sky above? What is
virtue. What is truth. Can reason stand as honored sleuth? But is to not
we understand, or else make upon life's demand, a crassness found in spirit
denied, or else forget what made us cried. We reason our reason to be
untouched, our faiths decried a lesser crutch, upon which we'd ne'er spoke,
else demean that mindful yoke, tethered to unbiased cause, to keep away
emotion's paws.
Out of time again. I hate time; no...I hate the constraints this world puts
on us. I hate work. It is really just a prison you know and we but slaves
to the more powerful [ha...in jest of course]. Money, money, money...makes
the world go round...so off to the merry-go-round for me.
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| User: "JusUK" |
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02 Dec 2005 04:11:29 AM |
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No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
You know, you're right turtoni. Seems religion has been a subject as of
late on this NG. An every now and then post is the normal fare. Not sure
why the interest as of late. There are 'principles' found within
religious precepts that I think are more than applicable to philosophical
discussion. But religion per se...not really.
How are you going to delineate that exactly? Also do you think a philosopher
cannot by definiton be a religious believer? And if they are why shouldn't
they use philosophy in relation to their beliefs, in fact surely that is
innevitable.
What is evil. What is love. Are there angels in the sky above? What is
virtue. What is truth.
All questions that can involve further questions about God for some.
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| User: "mimus" |
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02 Dec 2005 10:43:55 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:11:29 -0000, JusUK wrote:
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
You know, you're right turtoni. Seems religion has been a subject as of
late on this NG. An every now and then post is the normal fare. Not sure
why the interest as of late. There are 'principles' found within
religious precepts that I think are more than applicable to philosophical
discussion. But religion per se...not really.
How are you going to delineate that exactly? Also do you think a philosopher
cannot by definiton be a religious believer? And if they are why shouldn't
they use philosophy in relation to their beliefs, in fact surely that is
innevitable.
What is evil. What is love. Are there angels in the sky above? What is
virtue. What is truth.
All questions that can involve further questions about God for some.
Philosophy is rational, and reason is skeptical, and skepticism sticks to
the evidence, while cynicism disbelieves and faith believes beyond the
evidence, and indeed cynicism and faith are the flip sides of each other,
and each represents contempt for the evidence.
--
Let no one post here who does not know the _Laws of Form_.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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01 Dec 2005 01:06:57 AM |
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Does that mean that you find the parables of Jesus which
seem to be given as lessons, as equal to Revalations, which
anyone can read for themselves, and hardly seem to be
instructive of uplifting or hopeful, kind, loving or anything like
that.
There's a lot of hope in Revelation. It is just another of Jesus'
parables.
Look at the last pages: no more suffering, no more death, every tear
wiped from your eyes, a tree whose leaves are for the healing of the
nations... It just takes a lot of heavy construction work to get to that
point.
No Jesus talk on alt.philosophy.
You will have to make do with "Brian" talk instead ...hehehehhe....
"Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life".......
Revelations is 'metaphysical' in as much as any prediction oriented
manuscript is.
Written long befor quantum reality and associated mind power was recognised.
'Spiritual' is about here and now, and expanding consciousness towards self
realisation.
J.C. was purpoted to say "Seek ye first, the kingdom etc" a far cry from
"all hell is about to break loose"
Metaphysical/political and ideological are workings of "the group", from
which predictable conflict arises.Revelations fit the bill perfectly.
I just wish there was a different vocabulary for spiritual, because it all
sounds so fucking religious. :-)
BOfL
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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01 Dec 2005 02:27:03 AM |
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Revelations may be a self-fulfilling prophecy that
will encourage nuclear war to end humanity. Jesus
didn't talk about it, didn't write or say it. It came
from someone decades after Jesus' death and resurrection.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:20:16 PM |
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"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Revelations may be a self-fulfilling prophecy that
will encourage nuclear war to end humanity. Jesus
didn't talk about it, didn't write or say it. It came
from someone decades after Jesus' death and resurrection.
Fortunately self fulfilling prophesies can only go "so far". The story of
manking (sp error, or is it :-) , is already written. It is a never ending
story.
BOfL
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| User: "Miller" |
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01 Dec 2005 05:37:03 AM |
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So did all of the other books of the NT.
Scott
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Revelations may be a self-fulfilling prophecy that
will encourage nuclear war to end humanity. Jesus
didn't talk about it, didn't write or say it. It came
from someone decades after Jesus' death and resurrection.
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01 Dec 2005 06:35:55 AM |
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Miller skrev:
So did all of the other books of the NT.
That's true, but there is some chance they are based on the ideas and
life of Jesus. That is their claim. The rest, different in spirit and
style, could almost be another religion. It does not fit well with
Jesus's teachings - as presented in the gospels should be added, of
course.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:24:28 PM |
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<bythepowervested@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Miller skrev:
So did all of the other books of the NT.
That's true, but there is some chance they are based on the ideas and
life of Jesus. That is their claim. The rest, different in spirit and
style, could almost be another religion. It does not fit well with
Jesus's teachings - as presented in the gospels should be added, of
course.
If the NT was a record of J.C's teaching, it would be very thin.
The fundies say the Bible was "Divinely inspired". So was Mein Kampf.
Its all about the frequency of the writer, and who he needs to connect with.
Otherwise, geese wouldnt fly information, or in formation (if you pefer :-).
BOfL
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| User: "Miller" |
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01 Dec 2005 07:26:39 AM |
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Yeah, but even the so-called synoptic gospels are each from a different
author and point of view. And the various Pauline epistles were all about
the early spread of Christianity, and Paul's take on Christ's teachings and
influence. But I agree that Revelations stands out as the most bizarre
addtion to the NT.
Scott
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Miller skrev:
So did all of the other books of the NT.
That's true, but there is some chance they are based on the ideas and
life of Jesus. That is their claim. The rest, different in spirit and
style, could almost be another religion. It does not fit well with
Jesus's teachings - as presented in the gospels should be added, of
course.
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:04:50 PM |
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"Miller" <chumley702@chartermi.net> wrote in message news:4SCjf.14838$Mj.9181@fe04.lga...
Yeah, but even the so-called synoptic gospels are each from a different
author and point of view. And the various Pauline epistles were all about
the early spread of Christianity, and Paul's take on Christ's teachings and
influence. But I agree that Revelations stands out as the most bizarre
addtion to the NT.
Scott
<bythepowervested@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Miller skrev:
So did all of the other books of the NT.
That's true, but there is some chance they are based on the ideas and
life of Jesus. That is their claim. The rest, different in spirit and
style, could almost be another religion. It does not fit well with
Jesus's teachings - as presented in the gospels should be added, of
course.
The idea of Armageddon and the existence of Israel as a prerequisite
is troubling. It sounds like the Muslim idea of being a martry for God.
But a whole society or world sacraficed to fulfull 'prophecy'.
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| User: "mimus" |
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01 Dec 2005 10:52:14 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:53 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Why? isn't he omnipotent?
And why doesn't he ever appear and speak and act for himself? why so coy?
--
Let no one post here who does not know the _Laws of Form_.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:26:13 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:53 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Why? isn't he omnipotent?
And why doesn't he ever appear and speak and act for himself? why so coy?
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Let no one post here who does not know the _Laws of Form_.
Let he who has no TV receiver, deny the source of the signal...:-)
BOfL
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
01 Dec 2005 11:40:10 PM |
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Brian Fletcher wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f02mranlgv8.f4ws4ijola7v.dlg@40tude.net...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:53 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rZsjf.313$La5.50@fed1read01...
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Why? isn't he omnipotent?
And why doesn't he ever appear and speak and act for himself? why so coy?
--
Let no one post here who does not know the _Laws of Form_.
Let he who has no TV receiver, deny the source of the signal...:-)
LOL! Thanks!
BOfL
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "fluidly unsure" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
03 Dec 2005 03:39:09 AM |
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Brian Fletcher wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f02mranlgv8.f4ws4ijola7v.dlg@40tude.net...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:53 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rZsjf.313$La5.50@fed1read01...
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Why? isn't he omnipotent?
And why doesn't he ever appear and speak and act for himself? why so coy?
--
Let no one post here who does not know the _Laws of Form_.
Let he who has no TV receiver, deny the source of the signal...:-)
What's that old saying?
Something like "I don't need to eat a whole plate of human excrements to
know it's not filet mignon". (This is not the whole quote, some words
have been eliminated or substituted for others.)
If I choose to listen to a whole message, I do so because I want to. If
I don't, those actions probably says more about the messenger than about
the source of the message.
I don't watch TV because of what it can do to me. I don't want to turn
into a couch-potato. Not because I don't like all the shows on the air,
only some.
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Liquid
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| User: "mimus" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
01 Dec 2005 11:25:23 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:26:13 GMT, Brian Fletcher wrote:
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f02mranlgv8.f4ws4ijola7v.dlg@40tude.net...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:53 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rZsjf.313$La5.50@fed1read01...
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Why? isn't he omnipotent?
And why doesn't he ever appear and speak and act for himself? why so coy?
Let he who has no TV receiver, deny the source of the signal...:-)
Go on receiving yer teevee signals from outer space, eh?
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Let no one post here who does not know the _Laws of Form_.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
02 Dec 2005 02:21:06 AM |
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"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f02mranlgv8.f4ws4ijola7v.dlg@40tude.net...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:53 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rZsjf.313$La5.50@fed1read01...
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
Jesus taught in parables. Revelation is a big parable.
It takes a lot of spiritual force to take the world for God.
Why? isn't he omnipotent?
Wouldn't a powerful God use a lot of force?
And why doesn't he ever appear and speak and act for himself? why so coy?
He does come...at the end of the world. He is the sum total of all our
efforts.
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| User: "Wordsmith" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
02 Dec 2005 02:35:36 PM |
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AKA gray asphalt wrote:
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
No religious group can control its lunatic fringe.
W
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
02 Dec 2005 03:38:44 PM |
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"Wordsmith" <wordsmith@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:1133555736.260125.220280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
AKA gray asphalt wrote:
It sure isn't the words of Jesus which I find to be true
and full of insight and really a path to enlightenment.
What does scare me is the "Book of Revelations" and
those that seem to be intent upon fulfilling the 'prophesies'
that they see as a divind end to the world in a nuclear war
type scenario.
People who think that Jesus would have inspired "Revalations"
should take a look at their beliefs.
No religious group can control its lunatic fringe.
W
There are a lot of mainstream religious leaders who preach
Armageddon and 'final days' sermons and act as if they understand
the symbolism of Revalations when it clearly states that God is the
only one to know when the final days are and that we should not
speculate about it.
Mainstream meaning televised ministries and others with big
budgets and large membership.
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| User: "Sleepyhead" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
02 Dec 2005 06:35:37 AM |
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Folks believe it was inspired by JC because the book begins:
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto
his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and
signified it by his angel unto his servant John..."
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| User: "AKA gray asphalt" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
02 Dec 2005 03:39:42 PM |
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"Sleepyhead" <simonharpham@usa.net> wrote in message news:1133526936.989801.240340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Folks believe it was inspired by JC because the book begins:
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto
his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and
signified it by his angel unto his servant John..."
That sounds like what Charles Manosn might have said to his
'family'.
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| User: "Sleepyhead" |
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| Title: Re: What scares me about traditional Christianity |
05 Dec 2005 04:08:45 AM |
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Sure, but if you believe that the Bible is the word of God, then it's a
lot easier to believe that the book of revelation was shown by JC to
'John'.
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