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"Arthur Knight" |
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28 Apr 2006 02:55:13 PM |
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You can philosophise as much as you like |
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook, smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
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| User: "Anthony G. Rubino" |
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| Title: Re: You can philosophise as much as you like |
28 Apr 2006 03:08:07 PM |
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Arthur=A0Knight wrote:
You can philosophise as much as you
like but it all ends up as a purely physical
and inevitable acting universe. Forget
the gobble de gook, smoke and mirrors
and kings without clothes and face hard
honest impartial physical reality. Arthur
If you honestly believe that, why do you try to get us to agree with you
by posting here? You are part of reality, and evidently not impartial.
Tony, philosopher
http://www.geocities.com/trisector/
So many misconceptions, so little time.
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| User: "Wordsmith" |
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28 Apr 2006 03:27:56 PM |
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Anthony G. Rubino wrote:
Arthur Knight wrote:
You can philosophise as much as you
like but it all ends up as a purely physical
and inevitable acting universe. Forget
the gobble de gook, smoke and mirrors
and kings without clothes and face hard
honest impartial physical reality. Arthur
If you honestly believe that, why do you try to get us to agree with you
by posting here? You are part of reality, and evidently not impartial.
He's just been fooled into thinking he's part of reality, Tony.
W : )
Tony, philosopher
http://www.geocities.com/trisector/
So many misconceptions, so little time.
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| User: "tg" |
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28 Apr 2006 03:55:15 PM |
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Wordsmith wrote:
Anthony G. Rubino wrote:
Arthur Knight wrote:
You can philosophise as much as you
like but it all ends up as a purely physical
and inevitable acting universe. Forget
the gobble de gook, smoke and mirrors
and kings without clothes and face hard
honest impartial physical reality. Arthur
If you honestly believe that, why do you try to get us to agree with you
by posting here? You are part of reality, and evidently not impartial.
He's just been fooled into thinking he's part of reality, Tony.
Which one?
-tg
W : )
Tony, philosopher
http://www.geocities.com/trisector/
So many misconceptions, so little time.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: You can philosophise as much as you like |
29 Apr 2006 04:00:29 AM |
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"Arthur Knight" <ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook, smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
I'll try to remember that when I'm listening to Beethovern's Pastoral :-)
BOfL
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| User: "RyanT" |
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| Title: Re: You can philosophise as much as you like |
28 Apr 2006 07:12:18 PM |
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Awesome, purely physical pleasures from now on, then. Sex, drugs,
sports, food. It's not as if society is founded on ideas or anything
-- no siree, it's all just a farce. Humans were made to eat, sleep,
*****, and take a ***** now and then, but nothing more. Well, some
humans, anyway.
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| User: "Roger Johansson" |
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| Title: Re: You can philosophise as much as you like |
28 Apr 2006 10:03:16 PM |
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RyanT wrote:
Awesome, purely physical pleasures from now on, then. Sex, drugs,
sports, food. It's not as if society is founded on ideas or anything
-- no siree, it's all just a farce. Humans were made to eat, sleep,
*****, and take a ***** now and then, but nothing more. Well, some
humans, anyway.
Many of us want both sides.
Sometimes we want to just eat, make love, sing and dance, and just feel
fine.
Sometimes we want to participate in the discussions and the struggle to
make the world better.
Sometimes we are forced to participate in the discussions and the
struggle to make the world better.
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Roger J.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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| Title: Re: You can philosophise as much as you like |
29 Apr 2006 04:03:45 AM |
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"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RyanT wrote:
Awesome, purely physical pleasures from now on, then. Sex, drugs,
sports, food. It's not as if society is founded on ideas or anything
-- no siree, it's all just a farce. Humans were made to eat, sleep,
*****, and take a ***** now and then, but nothing more. Well, some
humans, anyway.
Many of us want both sides.
Sometimes we want to just eat, make love, sing and dance, and just feel
fine.
Sometimes we want to participate in the discussions and the struggle to
make the world better.
Sometimes we are forced to participate in the discussions and the
struggle to make the world better.
--
Roger J.
Whose world?
BOfL
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| User: "Roger Johansson" |
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29 Apr 2006 05:19:10 AM |
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Brian Fletcher wrote:
struggle to make the world better.
Whose world?
The world belongs to all of us.
It is shaped by the best arguments and the best ideas.
People get to hear about new ideas via media, and some people are
participating in the discussions which form the media views.
The global military, which has the nuclear bombs, is backing up the
democratic system. The best philosophers and their views are taken up
by media, the people vote, and the future of mankind is determined by
reason and science.
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Roger J.
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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29 Apr 2006 07:22:19 PM |
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"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Brian Fletcher wrote:
struggle to make the world better.
Whose world?
The world belongs to all of us.
Typical arrogant 'misguided' pov.
It is shaped by the best arguments and the best ideas.
People get to hear about new ideas via media, and some people are
participating in the discussions which form the media views.
You have described views, arguments and ideas. Disruption happens when they
are forced on others, but there is always "resistance" ;-)
The global military, which has the nuclear bombs, is backing up the
democratic system. The best philosophers and their views are taken up
by media, the people vote, and the future of mankind is determined by
reason and science.
Was that always the case? If not, when did the mutation take place?
BOfL
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Roger J.
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| User: "Accidental" |
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30 Apr 2006 12:06:49 AM |
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Roger Johansson wrote:
Brian Fletcher wrote:
struggle to make the world better.
Whose world?
The world belongs to all of us.
It is shaped by the best arguments and the best ideas.
People get to hear about new ideas via media, and some people are
participating in the discussions which form the media views.
Which arguments are the best, the ones that convince the most people,
or the ones that you think are best?
People "get" to hear about news via media? Is that a
privilege--hearing their contrived biases?
The global military, which has the nuclear bombs, is backing up the
democratic system. The best philosophers and their views are taken up
by media, the people vote, and the future of mankind is determined by
reason and science.
If only that were the case. You should get out more.
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| User: "Roger Johansson" |
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30 Apr 2006 06:12:45 AM |
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Accidental wrote:
The world belongs to all of us.
It is shaped by the best arguments and the best ideas.
People get to hear about new ideas via media, and some people are
participating in the discussions which form the media views.
Which arguments are the best, the ones that convince the most people,
or the ones that you think are best?
The arguments which will win in the long run.
The humanist arguments have won a lot of influence during the last 500
years in Europe. This has led to great advances in science and
technology, so you can sit at a computer today and communicate with
people all over the world.
Without the influence of the humanists, and the following era of
enlightenment we would have no technology, no computers, cars or
spaceships.
The school education would be run by the church, and you would have to
learn a lot of bible verses by heart. We would be in a similar
situation as the people in the islamic world today.
People "get" to hear about news via media? Is that a
privilege--hearing their contrived biases?
There is a lot of crap in media, but hidden among all the crap you can
find good stuff, just like in these newsgroups. The journalists are
like people in general, most of them are still playing the social games
of creationism, a few are better educated and have more insight into
what era we live in and what is going on in the world.
The global military, which has the nuclear bombs, is backing up the
democratic system. The best philosophers and their views are taken up
by media, the people vote, and the future of mankind is determined by
reason and science.
If only that were the case. You should get out more.
I have more important things to do than to get drunk, on female
conviction or on alcohol. So I don't have to play the social game which
is shaped by thousands of years of religious influence.
The future is not created by the socially strong people who are drunk
on created love. It is created by those who relax and think clear
thoughts.
A lot of important philosophers through history have left the society
to be able to think clearly. Jesus went out into the desert, Moses went
up on a mountain, Buddha walked in the countryside.
You might ask if Moses really was a philosopher, he grounded a religion
we still have problems with.
Yes, he was. He reformed the old world, created fixed laws which
everybody had to follow. Earlier the strong people could treat the weak
people as they liked and the strong people didn't have any laws to
follow.
Moses did not invent the religion from nothing, he wrote down a
slightly refined version of the culture which already existed. He
modernized the stone age society a little, just like most important
thinkers through the history.
It took many generations of stepwise advancements before we could
abolish the old religion completely. And we are still not through with
that process. We have removed the church from power, we have removed
religious laws from our law books, but we have still not succeeded in
changing the old traditions among common people. We are working on it.
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Roger J.
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| User: "RyanT" |
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29 Apr 2006 06:48:55 PM |
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Roger Johansson wrote:
RyanT wrote:
Awesome, purely physical pleasures from now on, then. Sex, drugs,
sports, food. It's not as if society is founded on ideas or anything
-- no siree, it's all just a farce. Humans were made to eat, sleep,
*****, and take a ***** now and then, but nothing more. Well, some
humans, anyway.
Many of us want both sides.
Sometimes we want to just eat, make love, sing and dance, and just feel
fine.
Sometimes we want to participate in the discussions and the struggle to
make the world better.
Sometimes we are forced to participate in the discussions and the
struggle to make the world better.
--
Roger J.
Of course, we're only human, after all. But allowed us to evolve past
normal ecological cycles is the fact that we have the capability to
engage in complex abstract thought. Otherwise we'd still be living
lives of just eating, sleeping, and taking a ***** now and then.
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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28 Apr 2006 04:28:43 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, "Arthur Knight" <ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook, smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Some points :
1. Philosophize is spelled with a 'z'.
2. There is a an active study called "holism".
Holism, even in the "physical and inevitable acting universe",
finds evidence for organizing principles in our "physical reality".
Read "A Different Universe" by Laughlin.
3. We primate folk do have our confabulated and practiced
stories. It's a hard honest physical reality that we have these
stories.These stories cast relatively functional gobble de gook.
4. At the core of our brain function is massive heuristic deceit.
What are you going to do about that?
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Best,
Frederick Martin McNeill
Poway, California, United States of America
mmcneill@fuzzysys.com
http://www.fuzzysys.com
http://members.cox.net/fmmcneill
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Phrase of the week :
"Knowledge is not only an end in itself, but the only
satisfactory means of controlling our further evolution."
-- Thomas Huxley (1825-1895)
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/thuxley.html
:-))))Snort!)
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| User: "Milan" |
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28 Apr 2006 04:40:15 PM |
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, "Arthur Knight"
<ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook, smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Some points :
1. Philosophize is spelled with a 'z'.
Both "philosophise" and "philosophize" are correct spellings. In Britain
"philosophise" is preferred
regards
Milan
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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29 Apr 2006 04:02:25 AM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, "Arthur Knight"
<ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook,
smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Some points :
1. Philosophize is spelled with a 'z'.
Both "philosophise" and "philosophize" are correct spellings. In Britain
"philosophise" is preferred
regards
Milan
I wonder if Fred has "gotten" that ....aaagghhhhhh ;-)
BOfL
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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29 Apr 2006 06:54:27 AM |
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:02:25 GMT, "Brian Fletcher" <brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:d41552t4vkh5477rpcfla76l6fgm56hq2d@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, "Arthur Knight"
<ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook,
smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Some points :
1. Philosophize is spelled with a 'z'.
Both "philosophise" and "philosophize" are correct spellings. In Britain
"philosophise" is preferred
regards
Milan
I wonder if Fred has "gotten" that ....aaagghhhhhh ;-)
BOfL
What does that mean? Are you having a stroke?
What a message from your God ....a stroke!
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| User: "Brian Fletcher" |
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29 Apr 2006 06:57:11 PM |
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:02:25 GMT, "Brian Fletcher"
<brianf88@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, "Arthur Knight"
<ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a
purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook,
smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Some points :
1. Philosophize is spelled with a 'z'.
Both "philosophise" and "philosophize" are correct spellings. In Britain
"philosophise" is preferred
regards
Milan
I wonder if Fred has "gotten" that ....aaagghhhhhh ;-)
BOfL
What does that mean? Are you having a stroke?
What a message from your God ....a stroke!
Ask an English teacher (from England).....
BOfL
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| User: "Sir Frederick" |
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28 Apr 2006 05:01:48 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:40:15 +0100, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:d41552t4vkh5477rpcfla76l6fgm56hq2d@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, "Arthur Knight"
<ak738983@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook, smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Some points :
1. Philosophize is spelled with a 'z'.
Both "philosophise" and "philosophize" are correct spellings. In Britain
"philosophise" is preferred
regards
Milan
Ok, I take it back, my $30 Agent spelling checker forced the 'z'.
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| User: "mimus" |
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28 Apr 2006 05:37:00 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:55:13 GMT, Arthur Knight wrote:
Hi folks.
You can philosophise as much as you like but it all ends up as a purely
physical and inevitable acting universe. Forget the gobble de gook, smoke
and mirrors and kings without clothes and face hard honest impartial
physical reality. Arthur
Sorry, I'm programmed not to.
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In the previous number, the cattle rustlers (post-
Hegelian dogma) had trapped Professor Dewey in an
abandoned mine shaft (Jamesian pragmatism) and had
ignited the fuse leading to a keg of dynamite
(neo-Newtonian empiricism).
< S. J. Perelman
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