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~ Another 9-11 Hero Confirms Tower Demolitons ~ |
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
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http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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10 Aug 2007 11:58:34 PM |
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"Henry" <bushcheney@treason.gov> wrote
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
bu$h and his so called govt is just a brainless puppet regime.
It is the Jews who control U.S. politics, media and the stock markets.
bu$h has to obey his Jewish patrons, otherwise the Jews will bring
everything to a collapse...
What America needs is someone strong like Adolf Hitler to save the nation...
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10 Aug 2007 11:10:22 PM |
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"qbit" <qbit@quantumworldz.com> wrote in message
news:80290.3B3a2.98861.29799.59980@quantumworldz.com...
"Henry" <bushcheney@treason.gov> wrote
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
bu$h and his so called govt is just a brainless puppet regime.
It is the Jews who control U.S. politics, media and the stock markets.
bu$h has to obey his Jewish patrons, otherwise the Jews will bring
everything to a collapse...
What America needs is someone strong like Adolf Hitler to save the nation...
Oh do ***** you dilated rectal sphincter. What we REALLY need is another
Saladin.
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Keith Schiffner
Reality is motorcycles all else is fantasy.
If you don't want to give her a hard ride you aren't a real man. Straight or gay
she gets your to grinning and acting like a fool kid.
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11 Aug 2007 12:33:19 AM |
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On Aug 11, 2:58 pm, "qbit" <q...@quantumworldz.com> wrote:
"Henry" <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
bu$h and his so called govt is just a brainless puppet regime.
It is the Jews who control U.S. politics, media and the stock markets.
bu$h has to obey his Jewish patrons, otherwise the Jews will bring
everything to a collapse...
What America needs is someone strong like Adolf Hitler to save the nation...
Don't be so sure it is the Jews running everything. No one is running
everything, THE OBJECTIVE OF THE GAME IS TO GET CONTROL. The Jews,
generally speaking, are the biggest sheep of all, completely
manipulated and controlled by the Zionists. The Zionists also control
the neocons. But, the Zionists are only one group in a network of
organizations which manipulate behind the scenes (e.g. CFR,
Bilderberg, religious lodges). Those organizations form columns of
religious, academic, political and corporate influences which advance
an agenda determined by a few people, mostly bankers, who have no
allegiance to Zionists, Jews, or whatever.
The bankers will sacrifice Israel in a blink of an eye to save their
pyramid scheme money system. Israel was probably just setup to create
problems in the middle east so the bankers could give loans and sell
armaments.
But not even the Bankers control. China just announced recently that
it now runs US monetary policy at that the Federal Reserve is
obsolete. A week before, we were all thinking the FED controls China.
CONTROL IS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE GAME and who runs what is not
something constant and static.
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11 Aug 2007 09:07:51 AM |
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In article <46BD2634.9E2E9364@treason.gov>,
Henry <bushcheney@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
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http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
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Here' a clip from Firehouse Magazine, April 2002
Early in the afternoon you have Chief Hayden sighting it with a
surveyor's transit: (Firehouse Magazine) "By now, this is going on
into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional
collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good
portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty
sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a
bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had
put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to
collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran
up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the
afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this
thing was going to collapse.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
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1. Index to statements of 26 NY Firemen that say that they knew, all
day, that WTC7 was eventually going to collapse.
2. Statement by several NYFD Chiefs, on site, about how they managed
the evacuation of WTC7 due to anticipation of collapse.
1 -------------------------------------
An archive of transcripts of interviews of more than 500 members of
emergency services contains at least 26 interviews that describe
either warnings or foreknowledge of WTC 7's collapse. The following
table excerpts the phrases from each interview relating to
expectations of collapse.
These numbers are in the form of nnnnnnn.pdf appended to this URL
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/
20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/7e62l
FILENAME QUOTE
9110085 was going to collapse or was at risk of collapsing; imminently
to collapse
9110413 in eminent collapse
9110398 a possible collapse
9110486 going to collapse
9110425 going to collapse
9110425 going to collapse
9110103 going to collapse
9110179 might collapse
9110170 threat of collapse
9110217 concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing
steel would result in the building collapsing
9110256 an imminent collapse on
9110200 they knew it was going to come down, but they weren't sure
9110150 a potential for collapse
9110467 concerned about 7 World Trade Center collapsing
9110502 was definitely going to collapse, they don't know when,
but it's definitely going to come down
9110021 they were just adamant about 7 coming down immediately
9110055 just waiting for 7 to come down
9110301 in danger of collapsing
9110222 concerned about seven coming down
9110222 The most important operational decision to be made
that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center
9110327 heard reports all day long of 7 World Trade possibly coming down
9110117 around 3:00 o'clock, that they thought 7 was going to collapse.
9110246 in dead jeopardy; stood there for a half hour, 40 minutes,
because seven was in imminent collapse and finally did come down
9110472 the potential of 7 World Trade Center collapsing
9110409 was going to collapse; is coming down
9110462 definitely in danger of collapse
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Evacuation of Collapse Zone (From Firehouse magazine, citations below)
Fire chiefs cordoned off and evacuated area around Building 7 in
preparation for its collapse. That decision was not made lightly,
becasue it it meant suspending search and rescue operations in and
around the northern end of Ground Zero. A detailed article published
in Fire Engineering Magazine describes that decision:
Be that as it may, FDNY chief officers surveyed 7 WTC and determined
that it was in danger of collapse. Chief Frank Cruthers, now the
incident commander, and Chief Frank Fellini, the operations
commander, both agreed that a collapse zone had to be
established. That meant firefighters in the area of the North Tower
had to be evacuated. This took some time to accomplish because of
terrain, communications, and the fierce determination with which the
firefighters were searching. At 5:30 p.m., about 20 minutes after
the last firefighters evacuated the collapse zone, 7 WTC
collapsed. It was the third steel-frame high-rise in history to
collapse from fire -- the other two had collapsed earlier that
day. 1
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Firehouse Magazine ran series of articles with interviews of fire
cheifs.
Fire Chief Joseph Pfeifer describes Cheif Nigro ordering
people away from the building:
Yes, I watched 7. At one point, we were standing on the west side
of West Street and Vesey. And I remember Chief Nigro coming back at
that point saying I don't want anybody else killed and to take
everybody two blocks up virtually to North End and Vesey, which is a
good ways up. And we stood there and we watched 7 collapse." 2
Fire Chief Daniel Nigro's describes his reasons for creating the
collapse zone:
The biggest decision we had to make on the first day was to clear
the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged 7
World Trade Center, a 47-story building heavily involved in fire. A
number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the
building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity
was in serious doubt. I issued the orders to pull back the
firefighters and define the collapse zone. It was a critical
decision; we could not lose any more firefighters. It took a lot of
time to pull everyone out, given the emotionalism of the day,
communications difficulties, and the collapse terrain. 3
Chief Frank Cruthers recalls Chief Nigro convening a meeting of fire
chiefs on the subject of establishing a collapse zone.
Of primary importance early on in the operation was the structural
condition of 7 World Trade Center. Assistant Chief Frank Fellini
had been approached by several chiefs who were concerned about its
stability. It had been heavily damaged in the collapse and was
well-involved in fire. Chief Fellini had looked at it and described
to us some damage to its south side; he felt that structural
components of the building had been comprised. So when Chief Dan
Nigro arrived at the command post, he convened a meeting of staff
chiefs, and this was a major subject of the meeting. We were all in
accord about the danger of 7 WTC, and we all agreed that it was not
too conservative of a decision to establish a collapse zone for
that building, move the firefighters out of the collapse area, and
maintain that strategy. 4
Professional photographer Tom Franklin provides some detail about
the timing of the evacuation:
It was about 4 p.m., and they were anticipating Seven World Trade
Center collapsing. The firemen were leaving en masse. 5 It was 4:45
p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were evacuating Ground
Zero after word came that a third building -- WTC 7 -- was ready to
fall. 6
Mark Jacobson, reporter, New York Magazine described being surprised
by a fireman certainty that the skyscraper would come down:
Hours later, I sat down beside another, impossibly weary
firefighter. ... Then, almost as a non sequitur, the fireman
indicated the building in front of us, maybe 400 yards away. 'That
building is coming down,' he said with a drained
casualness. 'Really?' I asked. At 47 stories, it would be a
skyscraper in most cities, centerpiece of the horizon. But in New
York, it was nothing but a nondescript box with fire coming out of
the windows. 'When?' 'Tonight ... Maybe tomorrow morning.' This was
around 5:15 p.m. I know because five minutes later, at 5:20, the
building, 7 World Trade Center, crumbled. 7
Battalion Fire Chief John Norman describes the size of the collapse
zone -- 600 feet in radius:
After we found Chief Ganci, in addition to recon, I was detailed to
make sure the collapse zone for 7 WTC had been set up and was being
maintained. The sector commanders were trying to clear out of that
area. We expected it to fall to the south, into the areas we were
searching. 9 Now we're still worried about 7. We have guys trying
to make their way up into the pile, and they're telling us that 7
is going to fall down - and that was one of the directions from the
command post, to make sure we clear the collapse zone from 7 and
this is a 600-foot-tall building, so we had to clear a 600-foot
radius from that building. 10
Deputy Fire Chief Nick Visconti describes resistance to the evacuation
by firefighters who wanted to fight the fires in Building 7:
Now, World Trade Center 7 was burning and I was thinking to myself,
how come they're not trying to put this fire out? ... At some
point, Frank Fellini said, now we've got hundreds of guys out
there, hundreds and hundreds, and that's on the West Street side
alone. He said to me, Nick, you've got to get those people out of
there. I thought to myself, out of where? Frank, what do you want,
Chief? He answered, 7 World Trade Center, imminent collapse, we've
got to get those people out of there. ... There were a couple of
chiefs out there who I knew and I called them individually. I said
to them, listen, start backing those people out, we need them back
up to the command post. While this was going on, I saw individual
company officers. I was whistling, Captain, bring your guys this
way. I was getting some resistance. The common thing was, hey,
we've still got people here, we don't want to leave. I explained to
them that we were worried about 7, that it was going to come down
and we didn't want to get anybody trapped in the collapse. One
comment was, oh, that building is never coming down, that didn't
get hit by a plane, why isn't somebody in there putting the fire
out? A lot of comments, a bit of resistance, understandable
resistance. 11 References
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1. World Trade Center Disaster: Initial Response, Fire Engineering, 9/2002
2. WTC: This Is Their Story, firehouse.com, 4/2002
3. Report from the Chief of Department, Fire Engineering, 9/2002
4. Postcollapse Command, Fire Engineering, 9/2002
5. Newseum, Running Toward Danger, 2002, page 204
6. The After-Life of a Photo that Touched a Nation,
Columbia Journalism Review, 3/1/2002
7. The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll, New York Magazine, 3/27/2006
8. Interview with Indira Singh. 'Ground Zero 911,
Blueprint for Terror, Part One', Guns & Butteer, 4/27/2005
9. Search and Rescue Operations, Fire Engineering, 10/2002
10. WTC: This Is Their Story, Firehouse.com, 5/2002
11. WTC: This Is Their Story, Firehouse.com, 8/2002
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EEDD103EF933A15751C1A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=
Dec. 20, 2001
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gyxng
....The engineering and fire experts who have been examining the
collapse of 7 World Trade Center have not settled on the final cause
of the disaster. But they have seen evidence of very high
temperatures typical of fuel fires in the debris from the building
and have raised questions about whether the diesel accounted for
those conditions.
..At least two firefighters who were at the scene, Deputy Chief
James Jackson and Battalion Chief Blaich, said that the southwest
corner of the building near the fuel tank was severely damaged,
possibly by falling debris, and that the tank might have been
breached.
Mr. Jackson said that about an hour before the building's collapse,
heavy black smoke, consistent with a fuel fire of some sort, was
coming from that part of the buildin
....They have also asserted that structural damage from falling
debris is a more likely culprit in the collapse.
Several fire experts said that, whatever the questions surrounding
the city's code, installing giant fuel tanks above the occupied
spaces of a building posed serious risks.
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4
The following is from the document cited below.,
Figure L-22a and L22b on page L-20 in ths document shows serious
damage to the SW corner of WTC7. Fig. L-32a shows the scene at the
base of WTC7 after the collapse of WTC1.
By 2:30PM
. In the east stairwell, smoke was observed around Floors 19 or 20,
and a signs of a fully involved fire on the south side of
Floor 23 were heard/seen/smelled from Floor 22.
. Interviews place a fire on Floor 7 at the west wall, toward the
south side, at approximately 12:15 p.m
. Interviews place a fire on Floor 7 at the west wall, toward
the south side, at approximately 12:15 p.m.
. From West and Vesey Streets near the Verizon Building, fires were
observed in floors estimated to be numbered in the 20s and 30s.
Looking from the southwest corner at the south face:
. Fire was seen in the southwest corner near Floor 10 or 11
. Fire was seen on Floors 6, 7, 8, 21, and 30
. Heavy black smoke came out of a large, multi-story gash in the
south face Looking from the southeast corner of the south face:
. Fire seen on Floor 14 (reported floor number) on south face; the
face above the fire was covered with smoke
. Fire on Floor 14 moved towards the east face
Looking at the east face:
. Fire on Floor 14 (reported floor) moved along east face toward
the north side
All From http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf
Section L is very readable,
The FDNY Deputy Chief on-scene that day, Peter Hayden, repeatedly
used the term "pull" when talking about "pulling everybody back" and
to pull the firefighters from the building.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html Note
he also says that the building was severely damaged and eveloped a
"large body of fire". He further states that they knew around 2pm that
it was going to collapse, which is hours before it fell.
In terms of demolition, "pull" involves attaching cables to the building
and literally pulling it down with heavy equipment. It's what they did
with the remains of building 6 days after the attack. It's nowhere near
what happened with building 7 on the day of the attack.
All evidence points to the fact that WTC 7 was not a controlled
demolition, but simply another victim of severe structural damage and
fire, just like the towers.
Table L-1. Timeline of WTC 7 collapse as observed from the northwest.
Time Interval (s) Total Time (s) Observation from CBS Video
0.0 0.0 - First movement of east penthouse roofline downwards
0.9 0.9 - East penthouse kink between columns 44 and 45 (Fig. L-25)
- First 2 windows at Floor 40 fail between columns 44-45 (windows 9 and
11 from east end)
0.3 1.2 - 4 more windows fail at Floor 40
- East penthouse submerged from view (now inside building)
0.5 1.7 - 3 windows break at Floor 41, Floor 43, Floor 44
0.5 2.2 - East penthouse completely submerged (Fig. L-26)
1.8 4.0 - Windows break along column 46 at Floors 37 and 40
3.0 7.0 - West penthouse and screenwall begin to move downward into building
- Movement of entire north face of WTC7 (visible above Floor 21)
0.2 7.2 - West end of roof starts to move
0.5 7.7 - East end of roof starts to move
- Kink formed in north facade along column 46-47
0.4 8.2 - West penthouse and screenwall submerged
- Windows fail between Floors 33-39 around column 55
- Global collapse initiates (Fig. L-27 and L-28)
(From page L-27 of
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf*lots of pics
and supporting info in the PDF.
http://web.umr.edu/~explosiv/Clip_Demolition.avi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI
ENHANCED VERSION: News Reports WTC7 Fell Before It Happens!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI
At 0:20 seconds: "The bulding had been weakened this morning"
at 0:50 "weakened by falling debirs [from WTC1]
1:20 Building is still standing but burning
H. Meyers
ambulances and there were other bodies that were
kinds of staged waiting for removal.
Q. When you reported into the command post,
you reported to Chief Nigro; is that correct?
A. That's correct.
Q. Did he give you any specific assignment?
A. Yes, he did. Chief Nigro directed me to
continue monitoring conditions at the site.
Specifically to monitor number 7 World Trade Center.
We were very concerned with the collapse potential
there, and to do whatever I could do to ensure site
safety in that no additional people became injured.
Also, to do what I could while up at the site to
organize some sort of command or control.
p 4
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/sept11_fdny_transcripts/9110382.PDF
D. Nigro
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDF
p 6 We stepped over small airplane aviation
parts, on Vesey, continued west, continued looking at
the building. I looked up
P. (Burns (?) dies and Nigro is acting commander (verify)
At some point after I was briefed, I took
command of the operation from the Chambers Street post
P 10 The most important operational
decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had
damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story
building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington
Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I
ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to
protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue
operations that were going on at the time and back the
people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did
collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people.
We continued to operate on what we could from
that distance and approximately an hour and a half
after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7
World Trade Center collapsed completely.
P 13-14 Q. Stepping back for a moment to when you were
coming over the Brooklyn Bridge, could you make a
determination based on a visual from that distance how
involved or fully involved the fire was and how many
floors?
A. It looked to me like it was involving about
10 floors of the building, and the way it was burning,
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D. NIGRO
I stated to Chief Ganci on the way there that I didn't
believe we could extinguish the fire.
Q. That was based on what?
A. The number of floors I think. The volume of
fire on the number of floors. To my recollection, we
had never put out a fire that involved that many floors
in a high rise building in this city before.
and was told that Chief Fellini was at the forward
operations post at West and Vesey, from which the
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http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf
Is .Pull. Used by Demolitions Professionals to Mean
..Demolish a Structure With Explosives?.
No.
Brent Blanchard, a demolitions expert with Protec, and contributor to ImplosionWorld.com, weighs in with
his expert opinion:
We have never once heard the term 'pull it' being used to refer to the explosive demolition of
a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with. The term is used in conventional
demolition circles, to describe the specific activity of attaching long cables to a preweakened
building and maneuvering heavy equipment (excavators, bulldozers etc) to 'pull'
the frame of the structure over onto its side for further dismantlement. This author and our
research team were on site when workers pulled over the six story remains of WTC6 in
late fall 2001, however we can say with certainty that a similar operation would have been
logistically impossible at Ground Zero on 9/11, physically impossible for a building the size
of WTC7, and the structure did not collapse in that manner anyway.
In the weeks following 9/11, several Protec building inspectors and staff photographers, including
this author, were contracted by demolition teams to document the deconstruction and
debris removal processes at Ground Zero. These processes included the mechanical pulldown
of the remains of the U.S. Customs Building (WTC 6) and various other activities occurring
simultaneously throughout the site. http://tinyurl.com/z6zyc
From the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the
Facts http://tinyurl.com/pkeqq
Book: Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
Four demolition and engineering experts tell Popular Mechanics that pull it is not slang for
controlled demolition. "I've never heard of it," says Jon Magnusson of Magnusson Klemencic
Associates.
Ron Dokell, retired president of Olshan Demolishing Company, says the same thing. Mark
Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition, Inc. adds that the only way he can imagine the term being
used is in reference to a process where the legs of a structure are precut and attached to
cables, and then large machines are used to literally pull the building to the ground.
View of WTC7 From WTC Tower
http://www.motorsportsartist.com/911truthiness/
wp-content/uploads/2007/05/viewofwtc7and1.jpg
Timing ^ good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G86yuunRBIw
Fireman saying WTC will fall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLDgjYuRHk
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Does the picture show the other 3 sides, or a view from the roof?
Now, for the rest of your non-fact-filled paragrah;
Steel looses 50% of it's strength at 500C/950F. See [1]
You didn't include dimensional expansion. Heating steel beams 500C
expands them by about 0.5% (6 inches per 100ft), but only where it's
hot. The rest of the structure stays the same. This creates terrific
stresses which can tear joints apart.
WTC7 had a huge tank of diesel fuel and a pump powered by a UPS
system. [2] The pump delivered 50 gal/minute (from memory) to an
internal fire that burned for hours. Sustaind heat removes the
strength from concrete and the temps were high enough to weaken the
structural steel.
WTC7 was hit by some very large beams from WTC2, falling hundreds of
ft.
WTC structure was unusual in that it was built over an existing power
substation. This resulted in points in the structure that made it
subject to failure from all of the above. [2]
Don't let this bit of factual analysis disuade you from posting "truth
Movemnt" crap all over Usenet, possibly under multiple handles,
in the future.
Have a nice day.
NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center
and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the
depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered
previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its
southwest corner.
NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe
structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the
exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis
suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse,"
a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately
creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos
of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's
facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the
structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on
itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down
the west side in a diagonal collapse.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5
[1] http://www.bluescopesteel.com.au/go.cfm?path=/go/tools-and-resources/faqs&categoryid=69889D86-CEAD-1C1F-41FC14783AE3D4F6&action=results
* How does the strength of steel vary with increasing temperature?
Plain carbon manganese steels behave similarly when heated, in
that the yield strength decreases approximately linearly with
increasing temperature at the rate of around 0.1% of room
temperature strength per 10C increase in temperature. This means
that most steels have about 50% of their room temperature
strength at 5000C. Above this temperature, the rate of softening
increases more rapidly. Addition of alloying elements such as
molybdenum and chromium slow down the rate of softening and
allow the steel to be used at higher temperatures.
However, other factors are important at higher
temperatures. These include creep where the material will fail
over a time period at a stress level much lower than the
strength of the steel. Further, oxidation of the surface
accelerates rapidly. For these reasons, plain carbon steels are
not generally suitable for applications above 4000C.
[2] http://www.counterpunch.org/darkfire11282006.html
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?
res=9C02EEDD103EF933A15751C1A9679C8B63
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uo95x
New York Times
December 20, 2001
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TRADE CENTER; City Had Been Warned of Fuel Tank at 7 World Trade Center
By JAMES GLANZ AND ERIC LIPTON
Fire Department officials warned the city and the Port Authority of
New York and New Jersey in 1998 and 1999 that a giant diesel fuel tank
for the mayor's $13 million command bunker in 7 World Trade Center, a
47-story high-rise that burned and collapsed on Sept. 11, posed a
hazard and was not consistent with city fire codes.
The 6,000-gallon tank was positioned about 15 feet above the ground
floor and near several lobby elevators and was meant to fuel
generators that would supply electricity to the 23rd-floor bunker in
the event of a power failure. Although the city made some design
changes to address the concerns -- moving a fuel pipe that would have
run from the tank up an elevator shaft, for example -- it left the
tank in place.
But the Fire Department repeatedly warned that a tank in that position
could spread fumes throughout the building if it leaked, or, if it
caught fire, could produce what one Fire Department memorandum called
''disaster.''
Putting a tank underground typically protects it from falling debris,
and impedes leaks or tank fires from spreading throughout the
building.
Engineering experts have spent three months trying to determine why 7
World Trade Center, part of the downtown complex that included the
110-story towers, collapsed about seven hours after being damaged and
set on fire by debris from the damaged landmark buildings.
Some of the experts, who said that no major skyscraper had ever
collapsed simply because of fire damage, have recently been examining
whether the diesel tanks -- there were others beneath ground level --
played an important role in the building's stunning demise.
The Port Authority, which owns the land on which the building stood
and issued the building permit for the tank and its fireproof
enclosure, said yesterday that it believed the structure had in fact
met the terms of the city's fire code. Though the tank was on a tall
fireproof pedestal, it was still effectively on the lowest floor of
the building, as the code requires, said Frank Lombardi, the Port
Authority's chief engineer.
The authority also worked with Fire Department officials to eliminate
the department's original objections, Mr. Lombardi said.
''We made sure that it was in agreement with the code,'' Mr. Lombardi
said, adding that the tank was placed in an eight-inch-thick masonry
enclosure.
A spokesman for the Fire Department said yesterday that he could not
authoritatively say whether all the concerns of its officials had been
addressed by the Port Authority. But when reached yesterday, the
department official who wrote several of the warning memorandums said
he regarded the Port Authority's interpretation of the code to be ''a
stretch.'' The official, Battalion Chief William P. Blaich, said he
still considered the tank's placement to have been unsafe.
The Port Authority has long held that, as a matter of law, it does not
have to abide by city fire codes. But after the 1993 bombing of the
towers, the Port Authority signed a memorandum of understanding with
the city pledging to not only meet the city's fire codes, but also to
often take additional precautions.
A spokesman for the city's office of emergency management, Francis
E. McCarton, said the city accepted the Port Authority's determination
that the tank and its placement were properly safe. He said it was
essential that the mayor's command center have a backup energy source
and placing it on ground floor was unacceptable because the area was
deemed to be susceptible to floods.
''We put it in the area where we needed to put it,'' Mr. McCarton
said. Any suggestion that the tank's position was a factor in the
collapse of the building was ''pure speculation,'' he said.
He added that the tank had fire extinguishers and was surrounded by
the thick, fire-resistant containment system, and that the fiery
collapse of the towers could never have been anticipated in the city's
planning.
No one is believed to have died in the collapse of 7 World Trade
Center. But its collapse did further complicate the rescue and
recovery efforts under way at the scene.
The engineering and fire experts who have been examining the collapse
of 7 World Trade Center have not settled on the final cause of the
disaster. But they have seen evidence of very high temperatures
typical of fuel fires in the debris from the building and have raised
questions about whether the diesel accounted for those conditions.
At least two firefighters who were at the scene, Deputy Chief James
Jackson and Battalion Chief Blaich, said that the southwest corner of
the building near the fuel tank was severely damaged, possibly by
falling debris, and that the tank might have been breached.
Mr. Jackson said that about an hour before the building's collapse,
heavy black smoke, consistent with a fuel fire of some sort, was
coming from that part of the building.
The Port Authority said it was unlikely the heavy masonry surrounding
the tank could have been breached, and its officials have raised the
possibility that the two diesel tanks buried just below the ground
floor of the building might have contributed to the fire. They have
also asserted that structural damage from falling debris is a more
likely culprit in the collapse.
Several fire experts said that, whatever the questions surrounding the
city's code, installing giant fuel tanks above the occupied spaces of
a building posed serious risks.
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The Verizon building in this story was next to WTC7, on the corner of
West and Veasey. It can be seen in the foreground in this WTC7-on-fire
video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3495
January 6, 2003
Herculean Effort to Restore a Landmark Battered on 9/11
By GLENN COLLINS
....Nevertheless, according to George Famulare, Verizon's manager of
corporate real estate, "the building is a tank." Built with
reinforced concrete and steel, its floors can hold 250 to 300 pounds
per square foot, constructed to support the giant electromechanical
switching assemblies that were replaced long ago by electronic
alternatives.
...
During the collapses, steel projectiles from the towers hit the
Verizon building, sliced the mains and left water cascading into the
building's five subbasements, filling the lowermost vaults like a
swimming pool. A javelin of steel actually speared through the
sidewalk concrete and lodged in the basement. The building's fuel
oil tanks were submerged in water, then burst.
...
Upstairs in the formerly sacrosanct, climate-controlled clean rooms
that housed hundreds of telephone cabinets bearing computer
switching cards, the walls had gone unimaginably missing;
firefighters established their hoses there to fight the raging fire
in 7 World Trade Center.
...
Now, much of the 14 floors of damage to the south-facing wall has been
refaced with custom-fabricated brick from Stone Creek, Ohio. Gone is
the 7 World Trade Center debris that was stacked up to Verizon's
fifth floor.
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Penthouse collapse Fullverison
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg
It's funny that Truthy videos never show the south side of WTC7, which
was on fire, big-time. The reason we have so many good videos of the
collapse from the north side is that everyone knew it was inevitable
and ad their cameras set up.
Here's a video of South side of WTC7 on fire. Anyone familiar with
WTC before or after 9/11 can recognize the Verizon building in the
foreground. It was heavily damaged, too, but it's built of old-style
construction (brick or concrete as fireproofing instead of blown
asbestos.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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11 Aug 2007 09:10:06 AM |
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In article <46BD2634.9E2E9364@treason.gov>,
Henry <bushcheney@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
"Like" is a simile. "explosion" is just a good word for "loud noise"
NO eyewitness at WTC on 911 can say what they saw was man-made
explosions and explain why they think that.
A real demolition of a high-rise looks and sounds like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ
Man-made explosions make a much sharper sound compared to the loud
noises made by a builing collapse. Nobody , NOBODY, at WTC on 9/11
reported hearing man-made explosives. On the morning of 9/11 I was
about as close to the WTC towers as the heliocopter in that video is
to that building. If there were man-made explosives, I would have
heard them, too.
This 2 hour video was shot at WTC starting a few minutes after the
impact of the first plane. There are lots of crashes and booms, but
none of the noieses sound like those in the first video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
Many thousands of people near WTC on 9/11 were ex-military and knew
the difference between a real bomb blast and and a building collapse.
To this day none of them say that they hear the former.
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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11 Aug 2007 09:03:26 AM |
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In article <46BD2634.9E2E9364@treason.gov>,
Henry <bushcheney@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
....There, Firefighter Schroeder made his way to the lobby of the
North Tower. .It looked like a bomb went off, and we started
making our way up the stairs to rescue as many people as we
could..
"like" is a simile. "explosion" is a good word that just means "loud
noise".
Nothing Schroeder says is out of line with the 500-odd other firemen
as shown in this 2 hour WTC video or in the transcripts of firemen in
the second link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
Transcripts of NYFD responders at WTC on 911
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/
20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/7e62l
A real demolition of a high-rise looks and sounds like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ
Man-made explosions make a much sharper sound compared to the loud
noises made by a builing collapse. Nobody , NOBODY, at WTC on 9/11
reported hearing man-made explosives. On the morning of 9/11 I was
about as close to the WTC towers as the heliocopter in that video is
to that building. If there were man-made explosives, I would have
heard them, too.
This 2 hour video was shot at WTC starting a few minutes after the
impact of the first plane. There are lots of crashes and booms, but
none of the noieses sound like those in the first video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
Many thousands of people near WTC on 9/11 were ex-military and knew
the difference between a real bomb blast and and a building collapse.
To this day none of them say that they hear the former.
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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10 Aug 2007 10:03:14 PM |
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On Aug 10, 7:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
Thus concludes another episode of "conspiracy nutter confirmation
bias".
[snip idiotic sig]
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10 Aug 2007 10:04:30 PM |
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On Aug 10, 9:03 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 7:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
Thus concludes another episode of "conspiracy nutter confirmation
bias".
Yeah the firefighter is nuts- and dying.
What are you, goose, some kind of bug?
John
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14 Aug 2007 07:09:43 PM |
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malibu wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:03 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 7:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
Thus concludes another episode of "conspiracy nutter confirmation
bias".
Yeah the firefighter is nuts- and dying.
He's obviously a liar, too. Only Bush and Cheney have been
telling the truth - just ask the mindless Bush parroting
conspiracy kooks. <chuckle>
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http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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10 Aug 2007 10:02:53 PM |
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On Aug 10, 9:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
their lungs are full of microspheres produced
by the thermite reaction
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11 Aug 2007 06:40:53 PM |
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On Aug 10, 9:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
Let's see. The only parts that seem relevant here are:
"As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder
heard a huge explosion. "The elevators just blew right out. We
couldn't believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators
explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal." "
and
""We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building.
People were making there way down the stairwells burnt like you
couldn't believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there
was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn't make sense". "
Now, you don't think the shockwave of the plane hitting it
is going to do something? You don't think that 200 tons going
500mph RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING
is going to make a big shockwave? I think it would. As for
the elevators "exploding" _later_, it could be that they were
damaged in the impact, and then the cables snapped causing
them to plunge. Brakes failed and the pressure wave created
by the falling elevator (which is like a piston plunger --
it compresses the air and setting up a pressure pulse) then
bursts the doors. In addition, utility lines, gas lines, etc. could
have been heated to the ignition point by the fires. You don't
need much -- just a little flame or spark -- to ignite gas. This
might also explain the second quote about an explosion.
Furthermore how do all these RANDOM explosions happening
well BEFORE the collapses fit into any idea of a controlled
demolition? I've NEVER heard of ANY controlled demolition
where the blasters just set off a few charges well in
advance for some unknown reason. Why do it this time?
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
Did that have over half of it's structural members knocked out
by an airplane slamming right into it at 500mph? I doubt it.
No building has collapsed from fire ALONE before -- no building
has collapsed from plane impact ALONE before -- but what
about when BOTH are present AND the plane strike is deliberate
and at full speed just like in 911? That sounds like whole new
territory that was never explored with building construction until
9/11. Once you go there all bets are off.
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
Sure, but I don't understand why that means the Government
must have actually blown up the towers themselves instead of
just letting Al Qaeda do it for them.
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12 Aug 2007 10:54:18 AM |
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In article <1186875653.383941.163130@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
Let's see. The only parts that seem relevant here are:
"As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder
heard a huge explosion. "The elevators just blew right out. We
couldn't believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators
explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal." "
and
""We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building.
People were making there way down the stairwells burnt like you
couldn't believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there
was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn't make sense". "
Now, you don't think the shockwave of the plane hitting it
is going to do something? You don't think that 200 tons going
500mph RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING
The building reportedly swayed a couple feet and the firemen would
have felt the impact through their feet, first, becuase the sound goes
through steel and concrete much fatser than it does through air. (350
m/s for air vs. 4500 m/s for steel.)
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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12 Aug 2007 11:30:40 AM |
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On Aug 12, 9:54 am, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <1186875653.383941.163...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
Let's see. The only parts that seem relevant here are:
"As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder
heard a huge explosion. "The elevators just blew right out. We
couldn't believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators
explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal." "
and
""We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building.
People were making there way down the stairwells burnt like you
couldn't believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there
was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn't make sense". "
Now, you don't think the shockwave of the plane hitting it
is going to do something? You don't think that 200 tons going
500mph RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING
The building reportedly swayed a couple feet and the firemen would
have felt the impact through their feet, first, becuase the sound goes
through steel and concrete much fatser than it does through air. (350
m/s for air vs. 4500 m/s for steel.)
so the firemen were there *before* the plane hit?
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14 Aug 2007 07:10:39 PM |
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mike3 wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:00 pm, Henry <bushche...@treason.gov> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm
As for
the elevators "exploding" _later_, it could be that they were
damaged in the impact, and then the cables snapped causing
them to plunge. Brakes failed and the pressure wave created
by the falling elevator (which is like a piston plunger --
it compresses the air and setting up a pressure pulse) then
bursts the doors.
Yeah, that must have been it. A pressure wave from the falling
elevator. Good "thinking". You kooks are at least entertaining.
<chuckle>
http://100777.com/node/963
Happy coincidenting!
That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people
, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic
advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're
talking about.
That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals
have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand
Bank , BCCI , Banco Ambrosiano , the P2 Lodge , the CIA/Mafia
anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time
ago, so there's no need to rehash all that . That was then, this is now !
That Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering
terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his
nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid
conclusions.
That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned
company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre,
Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must
admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.
That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the
investment of Osama's brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier
Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.
That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy
in no way implies he still is .
That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same
side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is
merely one of history's little aberrations .
The claims of Michael Springman , State Department veteran of the Jeddah
visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda
members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like
the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.
That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001 , was
to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were
positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps,
even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves
that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy
task.
That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House
had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl
Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled,
demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the
right place at the right time.
That the company PTECH , founded by a Saudi financier placed on
America's Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA's
entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he
must not have been such a threat after all.
That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and
forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her
employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture.
And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as
she answered questions about who supplied her with what information,
that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger
management seminar.
That on May 8, 2001 , ***** Cheney took upon himself the job of
co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was
crafting the administration's energy policy which bore implications for
America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and
ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the
VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.
That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked
aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field
commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of
Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the
error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.
That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her
investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her
colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the
stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.
That Dave Frasca of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a
promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations
into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001
does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason
for it, quite possibly classified.
That FBI informant Randy Glass , working an undercover sting, was told
by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers
were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until
weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as
weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many
"What Ifs" of that tragic day.
That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent,
senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments
- including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt,
Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks
using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need
for a new Intelligence Czar.
That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on
account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings
regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.
That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he'd taken
to John Ashcroft's office specific warnings he'd learned from FBI agents
in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates,
names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had
been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David
Schipper's pathetic need for attention.
That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the
intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which
included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the
information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council
to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually
nobody has ever heard of him.
That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence
operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US
and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery
of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a
dubious character , notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims
have since been proven true .
That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned
to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from
investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into
terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a
money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like
yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.
That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11
demonstrates only the value of being prepared .
The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into
the White House's calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil
played a part in determining war in Iraq.
That Afghanistan is once again the world's principal heroin producer is
an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved
in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.
Mahmood Ahmed , chief of Pakistan's ISI, must not have authorized an al
Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and
was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11,
because I didn't read anything about him in the official report.
That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his
capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the
White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.
That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida
base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind
of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.
It's true that George HW Bush and ***** Cheney spent the evening of
September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old
colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin
Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a
board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.
That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled
biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger
and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7,
was a lucky twist of fate.
Newsweek's report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on
Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only
newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.
That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should
surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.
That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell
Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base
Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense
Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world , after
all.
That Lt Col Steve Butler , Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the
Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined ,
removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote
"Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn
the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What
is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the
American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that
should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.
That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend,
smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US,
enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to
Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence
contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical
fundamentalist Muslim can be.
That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally
Hilliard , the owner of Atta's flight school, just three weeks after
Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just
bad luck . That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims
for conspiracy truly are.
That Hilliard's plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same
passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a
pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal
, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal's
attorney before Seal's murder , shows nothing but the lengths to which
conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions .
Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC
investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain
nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was
merely, as ever, coincidental.
That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted
immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when
you least expect it.
That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could
not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at
excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact
of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually
empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely
demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their
minds to it.
That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even
though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no
solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable,
shows how there's a first time for everything.
That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license
and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means
he had other things on his mind.
The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been
arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an
Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and
trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered
to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does
not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications
such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among
certain elements of the Israeli media.
That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the
morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building;
another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many
interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field
commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a
hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.
That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie
substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more
than bad timing.
That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers' describing
what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it
in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in
different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that
overzealous official wishes he could undo.
That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon
hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing
their federal agents are on the ball.
That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were
"double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned
that these guys had government protection. They were let into this
country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four
hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an
unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy .
That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school
records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th
demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national
security.
To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family
members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the
conspiratorial mindset.
Le Figaro's report in October 2001, known to have originated with French
intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in
July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.
That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks
was released by the State Department after having been found
providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama
with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone,
masterminded 9/11.
That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three
sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and
were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into
the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and
returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield
can be.
That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special
Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden,
suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides , is nothing more than a
series of senseless tragedies.
Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis
treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to
be true.
That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the
foresightedness of America's emergency response.
That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the
Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist
psyche.
That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot
Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.
That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort
Detrick , and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine,
underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue
without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories .
That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided
financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush
White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the
Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda,
suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle
of friends.
That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11
plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda
leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have
all the facts.
That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then
starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the
commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.
That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip
Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that
he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows
only an apparent conflict of interest.
That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil
executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier
Khalid bin Mafouz , suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.
That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer,"
including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October
Surprise" , is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was
such a thing as an October Surprise.
That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally
fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage
ring in its translation department , and claims she witnessed evidence
of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics
trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has
gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and
retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national
security, let us speak no more of her.
That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that
Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests
Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't
wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant .
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http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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