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*** ARE The FBI Bastards are making movies of YOUR PRIVATE MARITAL SEXUAL MOMENTS *** |
The written apology reads:
"The United States of America apologizes to Mr. Brandon Mayfield and
his family for the suffering caused by the FBI's misidentification of
Mr. Mayfield's fingerprint and the resulting investigation of Mr.
Mayfield, including his arrest as a material witness in connection with
the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the execution of search warrants and
other court orders in the Mayfield family home and in Mr. Mayfield's
law office."
He and his family later sued the U.S. government for damages.
"We lived in 1984," Mayfield told reporters Wednesday. "I'm talking
about the George Orwell, frightening brave new world in which Big
Brother is constantly watching you." (Watch Mayfield discuss the case
Video)
"I, myself, have dark memories of stifling paranoia, of being
monitored, followed, watched, tracked," he said, choking back emotion.
"I've been surveilled, followed, targeted primarily because I've been
an outspoken critic of this administration and doing my job to defend
others who can't defend themselves, to give them their day in court,
and mostly for being a Muslim."
The government refused, he said, to tell him where they put their
cameras and surveillance devices, leaving his family wondering if their
private conversations and intimate moments were on display.
"The days and weeks and months following my arrest were some of the
hardest and darkest that myself and my family have ever had to endure,"
he said.
"And all because of this government's ill-conceived war on terror. ...
What I really want is for this not to happen to anyone else."
Wednesday's settlement includes not only a $2 million payment and an
apology, but also an agreement by the government to destroy
communications intercepts conducted by the FBI against Mayfield's home
and office during the investigation.
The written apology reads:
"The United States of America apologizes to Mr. Brandon Mayfield and
his family for the suffering caused by the FBI's misidentification of
Mr. Mayfield's fingerprint and the resulting investigation of Mr.
Mayfield, including his arrest as a material witness in connection with
the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the execution of search warrants and
other court orders in the Mayfield family home and in Mr. Mayfield's
law office."
A Justice Department statement released Wednesday said Mayfield was not
targeted because of his Muslim faith and that the FBI had taken steps
to improve its fingerprint identification process "to ensure that what
happened to Mr. Mayfield does not happen again."
"Mr. Mayfield and his family felt it was in their best interest to get
on with their lives," said Mayfield's attorney, Elden Rosenthal.
"No amount of money can compensate Mr. Mayfield for being held as a
prisoner and being told he faced the death penalty [for the Madrid
bombings]."
Mayfield said his suit was not about money.
"It's about regaining our civil rights, our freedom and most important,
our privacy," he said.
He and his attorneys said the settlement will allow him to continue the
portion of his lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the Patriot
Act.
Mayfield contends that his home was searched under provisions of the
Patriot Act.
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Criminal, Rogue and RACIST elements have penetrated all the branches of
USA and world governments. We know that on 911 FBI bastards ran all
over in the neighborhood of Pentagon trying to confiscate EVIDENCE of
the 911 crime that no Boeing Passenger Airliner hit Pentagon. They have
stil not released the evidence. 911 was inside job.
FBI is the BEST of the criminal branches ... THERE ARE MORE EVIL AND
BIGGER ROGUES IN CIA, NSA, Mossad, PENTAGON AND THE WHITE HOUSE. Dont
forget that *****, NIXON and JOHNSON who sank USS LIBERTY and KILLED
AMERICANS with the help of ISRAEL ...
FBI is the BEST of the criminal branches ... THERE ARE MORE EVIL AND
BIGGER ROGUES IN CIA, NSA, PENTAGON AND THE WHITE HOUSE. Dont forget
that *****, NIXON and JOHNSON who sank USS LIBERTY and KILLED
AMERICANS with the help of ISRAEL ...
THE ONLY ONLY REASON FBI DID THIS IS BECAUSE THEIR CRIME WAS
UNCONCEALABLE. UNDER THE PRETEXT OF SELF-DEFENSE, MANY OF THESE AGENCY
OFFICIALS HAVE COVERED THEIR CRIMES AND DESTROYED EVIDENCE OF THEIR
CRIMES.
FBI COVERED UP A CHILD PEDOPHILIA RING THAT WAS LINED TO REAGAN AND
HERBERT WALKER BUSH. There is a VIDEO on google of the investigation.
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30 Nov 2006 07:31:57 PM |
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After identifying a bug in Google groups which sometimes gloms the
first short line of a reply into quote material, even after showing it
correctly in the preview, I note that an anonymous spammer using the
tag wrote:
The written apology reads:
"The United States of America apologizes to Mr. Brandon Mayfield and
his family for the suffering caused by the FBI's misidentification of
Mr. Mayfield's fingerprint and the resulting investigation of Mr.
Mayfield, including his arrest as a material witness in connection with
the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the execution of search warrants and
other court orders in the Mayfield family home and in Mr. Mayfield's
law office."
He and his family later sued the U.S. government for damages.
"We lived in 1984," Mayfield told reporters Wednesday. "I'm talking
about the George Orwell, frightening brave new world in which Big
Brother is constantly watching you." (Watch Mayfield discuss the case
Video)
"I, myself, have dark memories of stifling paranoia, of being
monitored, followed, watched, tracked," he said, choking back emotion.
"I've been surveilled, followed, targeted primarily because I've been
an outspoken critic of this administration and doing my job to defend
others who can't defend themselves, to give them their day in court,
and mostly for being a Muslim."
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From wikipedia:
"Mayfield was born in Coos Bay, Oregon, but grew up in Halstead,
Kansas. He served in the US Army Reserve from 1985 to 1989;
he later served as an officer with the Army in Bitburg, Germany
from 1992 to 1994. He met his wife Mona, an Egyptian national
and the daughter of a college professor, on a blind date in 1987,
and converted to Islam following his marriage to her shortly
afterwards. While he was a regular worshiper at the Beaverton
mosque, his colleagues were unaware of his religious beliefs.
The imam of the mosque has described Mayfield as 'very patriotic'."
"He studied law at Washburn University and Lewis and Clark
College, receiving his law degree from Washburn in 1999, and
practicing family law in Newport, before moving to the Portland
area. Mayfield performed work for the Modest Means Program
of the Oregon State Bar, which matches attorneys who are
willing to work at reduced rates with low-income clients. In
2003 he offered legal aid to Jeffrey Leon Battle, one of the
Portland Seven, a group of people that was convicted of trying
to travel to Afghanistan to help the Taliban. Battle at the time
was involved in a child custody case."
So, we've returned to the impossible standard whereby we are engaged in
a life and death struggle with fanatics of a certain religion, and,
individuals like Brandon Mayfield who exhibit a certain number of
traits that might suggest they merit some special investigative
attention, including (1) converting to said religion (2) marrying a
national of a country known to be a source of fanatics carrying out
attacks in the name of said religion (3) having defended an individual
convicted of attempting to aid and abet said fanatics, should be
treated with the same interest as a Baptist spinster from Alabama, on
the theory that, in a war involving the confluence of religious and
anti-American fanaticism, we must not "profile" anybody carrying one or
more indicators of involvement in such spheres, but instead passively
wait for them to kill us, and have our survivors, if any, investigate
them afterward.
FOaD.
It's too bad the Spanish initially misidentified Mayard's fingerprint;
that was a setback to the defense of the US. Other than that, I _hope_
the FBI is investigating guys like this; though of course, if they are
pressured into stopping, we can always have another report showing how
they dropped the ball in the wake of the next serious attack, if
anybody is left to wring their hands after. If Mayard is an innocent
and patriotic American, as he seems to claim, he would perhaps stop
whining publically, and admit "Gee... I _do_ kind of look like the kind
of guy who might be involved in this sort of thing, don't I".
It would have been criminally negligent for the FBI not to have him
watched. They were, at least briefly, doing their job.
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30 Nov 2006 10:36:44 PM |
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"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1164936717.363102.125290@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It's too bad the Spanish initially misidentified Mayard's fingerprint;
that was a setback to the defense of the US. Other than that, I _hope_
the FBI is investigating guys like this; though of course, if they are
pressured into stopping, we can always have another report showing how
they dropped the ball in the wake of the next serious attack, if
anybody is left to wring their hands after. If Mayard is an innocent
and patriotic American, as he seems to claim, he would perhaps stop
whining publically, and admit "Gee... I _do_ kind of look like the kind
of guy who might be involved in this sort of thing, don't I".
It would have been criminally negligent for the FBI not to have him
watched. They were, at least briefly, doing their job.
"Edward Green" makes a good point when he points out
"It would <be> criminally negligent
for the FBI not to <watch potential war instigators carefully.>
As can be seen, after FDR died, and Truman became president,
Americas did a 180 and began to watch the Jews
who had been actively instigating the Class Wars,
and Truman, Nixon, McCarthy, and Hoover,
spearheaded a drive to neutralized
the war-for-profit instigators.
It is interesting to see,
that the very people who saved the American government
from being taken over like Russian government was,
have been aggressively demonized
by the war-for-profit gang and their fellow travelers.
No doubt, the time as come for law enforcement
to begin taking a closer look at
"the kind of guys who might be involved in this sort of thing",
and the front men who have sold out to the gang.
Guys like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Bolton,
Elliott Abrams, Richard L. Armitage, William J. Bennett,
Jeffrey Bergner, John Bolton, Paula Dobriansky,
Francis Fukuyama, Robert Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad,
William Kristol Peter W. Rodman,
Donald Rumsfeld, William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber,
R. James Woolsey, Robert B. Zoellick, George Bush,
and of course, the people who control media,
like the New York Times, and Time Magazine,
which were active in instigating the Spanish-American War,
the Class Wars, and the Religious Wars, the Urban Rebellion, etc.
and the people in the news groups who work aggressively
to con American Blacks, Latinos and Rednecks
into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes,
to kill folks they could get along with just fine,
in the absence of instigation.
If a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen explodes
and kills a lot of people, and destroys property,
the guy with the match should be blamed,
not the oxygen and hydrogen.
As "Edward Green" suggests,
law enforcement should spend their time
finding out, and punishing the people
who exploit the differences between people.
The way it is now,
law enforcement would blame explosions on the chemicals,
forest fires on the trees and the oxygen, etc.
The potential for conflict (Energy release) is, and will always be, there.
What society should do is begin to take a HARD look
at who is releasing the energy for the collective good,
and who is releasing the energy for the collective bad.
--
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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01 Dec 2006 09:11:12 AM |
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Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point ...
Somehow, I feel this is not going to signal agreement.
... when he points out
"It would <be> criminally negligent
for the FBI not to <watch potential war instigators carefully.>
Wrong gloss. Try "potential terrorists and their supporters".
As can be seen, after FDR died, and Truman became president,
Americas did a 180 and began to watch the Jews
who had been actively instigating the Class Wars ...
You've just lost my interest.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country. But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start. In fact, there is an inconvenient
truth: complete peacetime freedoms are incompatible with fighting a
war. The US is fighting a war now; a protracted war, which resembles
the Cold War more than any hot conflict. Iraq _is_ Vietnam -- the
localized nexus of shooting -- but only a glowing crack in the slag.
The Parable of the Tribes is: when confronted by the violent tribe, the
peaceful tribe, as a meme, will at least temporarily be wiped out:
either physically, or they will be forced to adopt agression and the
habits of the agressors. If the peaceful tribe has an ideal of letting
its citizens along to do as they like, then, the violent tribe, failing
in outright assault, will begin using the peaceful tribe's very virtues
against it -- their agents and sympathizers can work freely from within
to undermine and weaken their adversary. Once again the open tribe will
be at least temporarily defeated as a meme: either the hostile tribe
will achieve from within what they could not by external assault, or
the open tribe will be forced to act against its ideals to defend
itself.
<snip rest>
Mayfield was not "silenced" as an enemy of the administration -- he is
anything but silent, $2 million dollars in hand to assauge his hurt --
he was arrested based on strong circumstantial evidence tending to
focus attention on him as a possible sympathizer _and_ faulty
identification of a piece of physical evidence. Following his release
-- showing that the government is not the Junta, or he would simply
have remained disappeared -- he continues to capitalize on his legal
upper hand to do as much damage to his country's defense as possible --
indicating, apart from the misidentified print, that the FBI wasn't so
wrong about him after all.
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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02 Dec 2006 02:57:28 AM |
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"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1164985872.141552.114160@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point ...
Somehow, I feel this is not going to signal agreement.
... when he points out
"It would <be> criminally negligent
for the FBI not to <watch potential war instigators carefully.>
Wrong gloss. Try "potential terrorists and their supporters".
As can be seen, after FDR died, and Truman became president,
Americas did a 180 and began to watch the Jews
who had been actively instigating the Class Wars ...
You've just lost my interest.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country. But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start. In fact, there is an inconvenient
truth: complete peacetime freedoms are incompatible with fighting a
war. The US is fighting a war now; a protracted war, which resembles
the Cold War more than any hot conflict.
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
(German reparations, numerous holocaust scams, etc.)
As can be seen, the gang got Bush to wage war on
the Iraqi people, in opposition to the wishes of the World Community
and the majority of the American people,
and they got Bush to destabilize Lebanon,
support Israel's rape of the Palestinian peoples,
and try to start a war against Iran and Syria,
and as can be seen, fellow travelers of the gang
are active in the media and the newsgroups
trying to con American Blacks, Latinos and Rednecks
into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes,
so the gang can make another trillion dollar haul.
"Edward Green" also makes a good point
when he points out that although McCarthy,
Nixon, Hoover, Truman, etc., like all people,
had their flaws, that they were instrumental in
alerting Americans to the dangers of the
Class Wars instigators.
If they had not had the courage and the patriotism
to take up the fight against the Class War instigators,
Americans today would be speaking Russian,
with a Yiddish accent.
And likely there would be millions less Americans,
as there were millions less Native Russians,
after the War-for-profit gang managed
to co-opt the Russian government,
and reduce the Native Russians to slavery.
As can be seen,
the war-for-profit gang has aggressively
demonized the Americans who prevented
their takeover of America,
and they are aggressively demonizing the
Native Russians who are trying to restore the
Russian government to the Native Russians,
and aggressively "Mel Gibsoning" anyone who exposes their game,
and using Israel, England and America
as bases from where to instigate conflict,
and support terrorism, against Muslims
and the Russian people.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
Let us hope that strong, brave, patriotic Americans,
like Truman, Nixon, Hoover, McCarthy, etc.
will arise, and begin to take an aggressive stand
against the "VERY bad men" who instigate conflict and war
for power and wealth.
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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02 Dec 2006 05:45:10 AM |
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Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
I never wrote anything which could be remotely paraphrased like that,
and Tom Potter knows it.
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| User: "Greg Hansen" |
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02 Dec 2006 09:43:29 AM |
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Edward Green wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
I never wrote anything which could be remotely paraphrased like that,
and Tom Potter knows it.
As Tom Potter has noted numerous times, socket head screws might be
preferred over slotted because of superior gripping and the tolerance to
small angles with ball head drivers. The only downside is that more
drivers are needed to fit the larger number of socket sizes.
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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02 Dec 2006 11:17:20 PM |
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"Greg Hansen" <glhansen@tcq.net> wrote in message
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Edward Green wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
I never wrote anything which could be remotely paraphrased like that,
and Tom Potter knows it.
As Tom Potter has noted numerous times, socket head screws might be
preferred over slotted because of superior gripping and the tolerance to
small angles with ball head drivers. The only downside is that more
drivers are needed to fit the larger number of socket sizes.
I am pleased to see that
"Phineas T Puddleduck" and "Edward Green"
continue to be faithful readers of my posts,
but considering that neither of them
has the equipment
to comprehend that my posts are not random,
but are complex conjugates of the posts I respond to,
I suggest that they should first
try to learn to comprehend sophisticated posts,
by reading, and responding to less sophisticated posts.
I applaud "Phineas T Puddleduck" for starting at the bottom
and hanging out in the low brow newsgroups,
but unfortunately he frequently drags
his low brow buddies into sci.physics.
--
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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02 Dec 2006 12:38:44 PM |
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In article <eks6t101a76@enews1.newsguy.com>,
Greg Hansen <glhansen@tcq.net> wrote:
Edward Green wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
I never wrote anything which could be remotely paraphrased like that,
and Tom Potter knows it.
As Tom Potter has noted numerous times, socket head screws might be
preferred over slotted because of superior gripping and the tolerance to
small angles with ball head drivers. The only downside is that more
drivers are needed to fit the larger number of socket sizes.
NO, you misunderstand!
As Tom Potter has noted numerous times,
The key to a good lasagne is to choose the pasta well,
use only good quality ground beef,
and to make the cheese saucy tasty without being excessive cloying.
As "Greg Hansen" uses socket head screws,
he proves he doesn't understand Lasagne
and hence doesn't understand relativity.
:-)
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Just \int_0^\infty du it!
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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02 Dec 2006 11:18:06 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-8DE207.18384402122006@free.teranews.com...
In article <eks6t101a76@enews1.newsguy.com>,
Greg Hansen <glhansen@tcq.net> wrote:
Edward Green wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
I never wrote anything which could be remotely paraphrased like that,
and Tom Potter knows it.
As Tom Potter has noted numerous times, socket head screws might be
preferred over slotted because of superior gripping and the tolerance to
small angles with ball head drivers. The only downside is that more
drivers are needed to fit the larger number of socket sizes.
NO, you misunderstand!
As Tom Potter has noted numerous times,
The key to a good lasagne is to choose the pasta well,
use only good quality ground beef,
and to make the cheese saucy tasty without being excessive cloying.
As "Greg Hansen" uses socket head screws,
he proves he doesn't understand Lasagne
and hence doesn't understand relativity.
I am pleased to see that
"Phineas T Puddleduck" and "Edward Green"
continue to be faithful readers of my posts,
but considering that neither of them
has the equipment to comprehend that my posts
are not random, but are complex conjugates
of the posts I respond to,
I suggest that they should first learn
by reading, and responding to,
less sophisticated posts.
It is good to see that
"Phineas T Puddleduck" recognizes his limitations,
and mostly hangs out in the low brow newsgroups,
but hopefully, he will learn to resist the urge to drag
his idiot friends into the science newsgroups.
--
Tom Potter
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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02 Dec 2006 08:04:02 AM |
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Edward Green wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point
when he points out that Americans are beginning to comprehend
that the same gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
are trying to instigate the religious Wars of the 2000's,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
As "Edward Green" points out,
"Now, of course we all know,
<That the gang that instigated
the Class Wars of the 1900's were VERY> bad men.
I never wrote anything which could be remotely paraphrased like that,
and Tom Potter knows it.
As can be seen, in my post,
I left Edward Green's post intact.
I was disappointed to see that Edward Green
deleted his previous post and most of my post,
and obscured the point I was making.
I, for one, can't understand why Edward Green seems to defend
that gang that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
and is trying to instigate the Religious Wars of the 2000's,
while calling the brave, patriotic Americans who first confronted
that gang that instigated the Class Wars,
"bad men".
It took a lot of courage, and love for America,
for these men to put their lives and reputations in jeopardy.
As can be seen,
the fellow travelers of the war-for-profit gang
have made martyrs and heroes of the people who betrayed,
and tried to betray America,
and they have aggressively and systematically "Mel Gibson'ed"
the American patriots who saved America from being taken over
by the war-for-profit gang, as Russia was.
As can be seen by their history,
the war-for-profit gang lays low when the heat or spotlight is on them,
and they crawl out of the woodwork,
and Mel Gibson their critics and adversaries,
when it is safe to do so.
--
Tom Potter
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04 Dec 2006 06:58:14 AM |
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Edward Green wrote:
I decided this was worthy of being revisited because it didn't
get much play.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country.
McCarthy's tactics, he had the approval of his entire committee
don't forget, is seen today as pure villan. The unanswerable
question is "what would America have been like without him?"
We simply don't know. There's no telling what his presence
disuaded. That's not to defend the excesses, but to remind
people that cartoon characterizations of spies, counterspies,
covert operatives downplay the significance of the threats
facing us then, and quite probably now.
But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start.
Let alone long term support.
I began to question the external threat some time in the
late 1950's. If the Russians had wanted to destroy America
they would have manipulated trade, money, and other things
to bring on our economic demise and damn the cost to
themselves.
The fact of the matter is that they needed us, and they
knew it, but for the most part we didn't know that.
Similarly the Muslim world is to a great extent 3rd world,
needing us on some levels while hating us on others. There
won't be a destruction of the goose that lays the golden eggs
until they can provide the things they want but cannot provide.
Of course that's not any time soon.
That's not to say there can't be repeats of 9/11/. The Arab
slave traders have matured. They now enslave through fear,
the most effective shackles of all.
In fact, there is an inconvenient
truth: complete peacetime freedoms are incompatible with fighting a
war. The US is fighting a war now; a protracted war, which resembles
the Cold War more than any hot conflict. Iraq _is_ Vietnam -- the
localized nexus of shooting -- but only a glowing crack in the slag.
Why would you suppose the neighboring Muslim nations permitted
the US to take charge of Iraq without significant protest? Even
they considered Iraq and Afghanistan a blight.
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05 Dec 2006 07:10:30 AM |
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In article <4a4fc$45741b6a$4fe70a2$2893@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:
Edward Green wrote:
I decided this was worthy of being revisited because it didn't
get much play.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country.
McCarthy's tactics, he had the approval of his entire committee
don't forget, is seen today as pure villan. The unanswerable
question is "what would America have been like without him?"
We simply don't know. There's no telling what his presence
disuaded.
He stopped people who could think well from doing their
work. To keep alive these types of people dug ditches.
What is eerie about the McCarty witch hunt was how similar
it was to the Salem witch hunts. The ones in power didn't
say "no" until the hunt started going after someone who
was at a high level of government.
That's not to defend the excesses, but to remind
people that cartoon characterizations of spies, counterspies,
covert operatives downplay the significance of the threats
facing us then, and quite probably now.
The excesses didn't stop; it just became hidden in the form
of that guy in the FBI.
But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start.
Let alone long term support.
McCarthy didn't get long term support.
I began to question the external threat some time in the
late 1950's. If the Russians had wanted to destroy America
they would have manipulated trade, money, and other things
to bring on our economic demise and damn the cost to
themselves.
They couldn't. In order to do that, they would first have
to accept that these aspects existed. That would undermine
their religion.
The fact of the matter is that they needed us, and they
knew it, but for the most part we didn't know that.
Similarly the Muslim world is to a great extent 3rd world,
What is your definition of third world?
needing us on some levels while hating us on others. There
won't be a destruction of the goose that lays the golden eggs
until they can provide the things they want but cannot provide.
Of course that's not any time soon.
You are dismissing the fanatics; I think that is an error
on your part. The people you are talking about are what
we tend to call moderates. So far, they have not shouted
a resounding no. They are in the same kind of denial as we
see here in the thread. They're being normal.
That's not to say there can't be repeats of 9/11/. The Arab
slave traders have matured. They now enslave through fear,
the most effective shackles of all.
I don't think they're emulating the slave traders. I think
they're emulating the Assasin cult. That cult was destroyed
when the Assassins killed one too many non-political Muslims.
<snip>
/BAH
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06 Dec 2006 05:38:08 AM |
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<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <4a4fc$45741b6a$4fe70a2$2893@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:
Edward Green wrote:
I decided this was worthy of being revisited because it didn't
get much play.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country.
McCarthy's tactics, he had the approval of his entire committee
don't forget, is seen today as pure villan. The unanswerable
question is "what would America have been like without him?"
We simply don't know. There's no telling what his presence
disuaded.
He stopped people who could think well from doing their
work. To keep alive these types of people dug ditches.
What is eerie about the McCarty witch hunt was how similar
it was to the Salem witch hunts. The ones in power didn't
say "no" until the hunt started going after someone who
was at a high level of government.
That's not to defend the excesses, but to remind
people that cartoon characterizations of spies, counterspies,
covert operatives downplay the significance of the threats
facing us then, and quite probably now.
The excesses didn't stop; it just became hidden in the form
of that guy in the FBI.
But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start.
Let alone long term support.
McCarthy didn't get long term support.
I began to question the external threat some time in the
late 1950's. If the Russians had wanted to destroy America
they would have manipulated trade, money, and other things
to bring on our economic demise and damn the cost to
themselves.
They couldn't. In order to do that, they would first have
to accept that these aspects existed. That would undermine
their religion.
The fact of the matter is that they needed us, and they
knew it, but for the most part we didn't know that.
Similarly the Muslim world is to a great extent 3rd world,
What is your definition of third world?
needing us on some levels while hating us on others. There
won't be a destruction of the goose that lays the golden eggs
until they can provide the things they want but cannot provide.
Of course that's not any time soon.
You are dismissing the fanatics; I think that is an error
on your part. The people you are talking about are what
we tend to call moderates. So far, they have not shouted
a resounding no. They are in the same kind of denial as we
see here in the thread. They're being normal.
That's not to say there can't be repeats of 9/11/. The Arab
slave traders have matured. They now enslave through fear,
the most effective shackles of all.
I don't think they're emulating the slave traders. I think
they're emulating the Assasin cult. That cult was destroyed
when the Assassins killed one too many non-political Muslims.
BAH brings up a good point
when she observes that the "Witch hunts" of the Bush era
have demonized millions of honest, patriotic Muslims,
caused enormous cost and inconvenience to all Americans,
have resulted in torture and secret prisons,
government tapping of phones and email, cost taxpayers trillions of dollars,
created hate for America and Americans by millions in the world,
including such former allies as France, Spain, Canada, England, etc.
and resulted in wars that have claimed thousands of lives and limbs,
whereas the McCarty era "Witch Hunts"
were limited to people who were betraying America,
the people instigating the Class Wars of the 1900's,
and their supporters, and they had the good result of
putting an end to the spread of the Class wars.
It is interesting to see that the gang that was instigating
the Class Wars, laid low for a few years, and
began to systematically discredit McCarthy, Nixon, Hoover,
Truman, and the very people who recognized the dangers of the
Class wars, and took a stand against the instigations,
and betrayal of America.
It is also interesting to see
that after the Native Russians regained
control of their government (A work in progress.)
the Class War gang started a phony "Free Jews" program,
and migrated to Israel and America,
at the expense of the American taxpayers,
and that they are using these places as bases
from where to instigate the Religious Wars of the 2000's.
No doubt the war-for-profit gang will go underground for a few years,
and begin to systematically demonize the people who
expose the Religious Wars instigators,
just as they did the brave, loyal Americans
who exposed the traitors, Class Wars instigators,
and their fellow travelers.
All people have flaws, for example
Truman operated a hat store, Nixon wasn't beautiful,
Hoover might have been gay, McCarthy was outspoken and
aggressive, and maybe drank too much, etc. and
as can be seen, the members of the war-for-profit gang
use the boilerplate tactic of systematically and persistently
hyping the warts of their opponents,
in order to deflect attention away from the critical issues.
BAH does make a good point when she suggests that the
tactics of the war-for-profit gang may have roots
in the "Old Man of the Mountain" "Assassin tactic
of using a few insiders to penetrate a target kingdom.
In other words, the war-for-profit gang
buys and/or intimidates a few leaders to
get at a nation's wealth, whereas the "Assassins"
only use intimidation to get at a kingdom's wealth.
Americans should be thankful
that Truman, Nixon, Hoover, McCarthy, etc.
had the wisdom and courage to take on the
war-for-profit gang, as few, if any,
of the current politicians have the courage to do,
for fear of being "Mel Gibsoned" or even assassinated,
as the gang has been known to assassinate many people,
who got in their way.
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10 Dec 2006 01:27:29 PM |
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:38:08 +0800, Tom Potter wrote:
Americans should be thankful
that Truman, Nixon, Hoover, McCarthy, etc.
had the wisdom and courage to take on the
war-for-profit gang, as few, if any,
of the current politicians have the courage to do,
for fear of being "Mel Gibsoned" or even assassinated,
as the gang has been known to assassinate many people,
who got in their way.
One wonders who you're trying to fool here. She is on
the exact same side of ***** that you are :) Hehe :)
Do you want to hear non-***** for a change? :) I don't
think so.
I can see and distinguish complications from real data.
I've done it all my life! In your case, you're just
pissed that USA didn't attack Iran, and you're pissed
that USA attacked Taleban's and Saddam's personal loyal
governments and forces. You're just two times pissed.
It hurts when even U.S. government has to oblige
sometimes. Doesn't it... .
Your dead Indians and Blacks did leave something of
themselves in you after all. Something in you that
we'll utilize to bury you and live on top of your
corpses. You're dealing with humankind here. Better
watch out hard, old boy :) An ex-Mathfreak's right or
wrong view doesn't change _any_ of that.
There are three major types of Americans. The Americans
of your type - are you listening - we surpassed and
ditched _early_ in the seventies. Even Nixon was too
late to change it. He really knew and tried remedy
things.
Took us from 1964 to 1972, and it got too late for you
thereafter. Ask your dead spooks WHAT they tried and
failed. We only have progressed since.
Well you have two other types among you so, there
should be some hope :)
--
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one
step. You begin it from just where you are. "
- Lao Tzu
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05 Dec 2006 10:03:41 AM |
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wrote:
In article <4a4fc$45741b6a$4fe70a2$2893@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:
Edward Green wrote:
I decided this was worthy of being revisited because it didn't
get much play.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country.
McCarthy's tactics, he had the approval of his entire committee
don't forget, is seen today as pure villan. The unanswerable
question is "what would America have been like without him?"
We simply don't know. There's no telling what his presence
disuaded.
He stopped people who could think well from doing their
work. To keep alive these types of people dug ditches.
What is eerie about the McCarty witch hunt was how similar
it was to the Salem witch hunts. The ones in power didn't
say "no" until the hunt started going after someone who
was at a high level of government.
That's not to defend the excesses, but to remind
people that cartoon characterizations of spies, counterspies,
covert operatives downplay the significance of the threats
facing us then, and quite probably now.
The excesses didn't stop; it just became hidden in the form
of that guy in the FBI.
But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start.
Let alone long term support.
McCarthy didn't get long term support.
I'll leave the rest of the dissents for posterity to sort
out, but this one is a tad troubling.
In 1969, Frank Oppenheimer founded the Exploratorium. His
directorship was the first official job he'd held since he
was blacklisted along with his brother in 1953. From 1953
till 1969 whatever employment he had was "underground."
McCarthy died in 1957. The fact that his work product
persisted till at least 1969 speaks for itself.
snip
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06 Dec 2006 06:28:04 AM |
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In article <93c49$45759861$4fe71d5$13516@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <4a4fc$45741b6a$4fe70a2$2893@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote:
Edward Green wrote:
I decided this was worthy of being revisited because it didn't
get much play.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country.
McCarthy's tactics, he had the approval of his entire committee
don't forget, is seen today as pure villan. The unanswerable
question is "what would America have been like without him?"
We simply don't know. There's no telling what his presence
disuaded.
He stopped people who could think well from doing their
work. To keep alive these types of people dug ditches.
What is eerie about the McCarty witch hunt was how similar
it was to the Salem witch hunts. The ones in power didn't
say "no" until the hunt started going after someone who
was at a high level of government.
That's not to defend the excesses, but to remind
people that cartoon characterizations of spies, counterspies,
covert operatives downplay the significance of the threats
facing us then, and quite probably now.
The excesses didn't stop; it just became hidden in the form
of that guy in the FBI.
But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start.
Let alone long term support.
McCarthy didn't get long term support.
I'll leave the rest of the dissents for posterity to sort
out, but this one is a tad troubling.
In 1969, Frank Oppenheimer founded the Exploratorium. His
directorship was the first official job he'd held since he
was blacklisted along with his brother in 1953. From 1953
till 1969 whatever employment he had was "underground."
McCarthy died in 1957. The fact that his work product
persisted till at least 1969 speaks for itself.
I should have written clearer. He didn't have long-term
political support. His insanity was allowed to rage unchecked
for a short time. The world will feel the effects of his
actions forever.
What I want to figure out is why Eisenhower didn't say
"That's enough" earlier.
/BAH
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02 Dec 2006 08:08:19 AM |
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In article <1164985872.141552.114160@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point ...
Somehow, I feel this is not going to signal agreement.
Usually, it signals that he's just rewritten what you wrote
and put the words in your mouth. It's his pattern.
... when he points out
"It would <be> criminally negligent
for the FBI not to <watch potential war instigators carefully.>
Wrong gloss. Try "potential terrorists and their supporters".
As can be seen, after FDR died, and Truman became president,
Americas did a 180 and began to watch the Jews
who had been actively instigating the Class Wars ...
You've just lost my interest.
I do see some parallels between this era and the McCarthy era. Now, of
course we all know, McCarthy was a bad man. In truth, I would not say
he was a good man, and probably, by his excesses, he actually
eventually weakened rather than strengthened the country. But if the
US were not under an credible threat by a foreign power whose aim was
to undermine, weaken and destroy us (as us them, no doubt), McCarthy
would never have gotten a start. In fact, there is an inconvenient
truth: complete peacetime freedoms are incompatible with fighting a
war. The US is fighting a war now; a protracted war, which resembles
the Cold War more than any hot conflict. Iraq _is_ Vietnam -- the
localized nexus of shooting -- but only a glowing crack in the slag.
Iraq isn't Vietnam...yet. The Democrats appear to be trying very
hard to make another 'Nam. Kerry's "joke" was an indicator of what
the insane Democrats intend to do. That speech seemed to be a repeat
of one of his here in 1972 or so when he was campaigning.
The Parable of the Tribes is: when confronted by the violent tribe, the
peaceful tribe, as a meme, will at least temporarily be wiped out:
either physically, or they will be forced to adopt agression and the
habits of the agressors. If the peaceful tribe has an ideal of letting
its citizens along to do as they like, then, the violent tribe, failing
in outright assault, will begin using the peaceful tribe's very virtues
against it -- their agents and sympathizers can work freely from within
to undermine and weaken their adversary. Once again the open tribe will
be at least temporarily defeated as a meme: either the hostile tribe
will achieve from within what they could not by external assault, or
the open tribe will be forced to act against its ideals to defend
itself.
<snip rest>
Mayfield was not "silenced" as an enemy of the administration -- he is
anything but silent, $2 million dollars in hand to assauge his hurt --
he was arrested based on strong circumstantial evidence tending to
focus attention on him as a possible sympathizer _and_ faulty
identification of a piece of physical evidence. Following his release
-- showing that the government is not the Junta, or he would simply
have remained disappeared -- he continues to capitalize on his legal
upper hand to do as much damage to his country's defense as possible --
indicating, apart from the misidentified print, that the FBI wasn't so
wrong about him after all.
Right. It is in his best interest that this war continue and the
other side win. He has no ability to do long term thinking. He,
and his ilk, assumes that life will go on as usual when the other
side takes over. All that lovely money that he's made on the
demise of Western civilization, won't even be useful for toilet
paper becaues he had it in the bank which is now illegal.
/BAH
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02 Dec 2006 11:20:04 PM |
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wrote:
In article <1164985872.141552.114160@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point ...
Somehow, I feel this is not going to signal agreement.
Usually, it signals that he's just rewritten what you wrote
and put the words in your mouth. It's his pattern.
BAH makes a good point when she points out,
that when a poster lets his race, religion, sex, politics,
education, credentials, nationality, hero worship, etc.
bias the tone of his post,
I sometimes complex conjugate the poster's post
in order to get the topic back on the lines
of intelligence, rationality and truth.
--
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http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
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http://www.frappr.com/tompotter
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| User: "" |
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03 Dec 2006 07:35:53 AM |
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In article <4572540b$0$20624$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1164985872.141552.114160@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point ...
Somehow, I feel this is not going to signal agreement.
Usually, it signals that he's just rewritten what you wrote
and put the words in your mouth. It's his pattern.
BAH makes a good point when she points out,
that when a poster lets his race, religion, sex, politics,
education, credentials, nationality, hero worship, etc.
bias the tone of his post,
I sometimes complex conjugate the poster's post
in order to get the topic back on the lines
of intelligence, rationality and truth.
I have yet to see you make a post that is
intelligent, rational, and have a smidgen of truth.
/BAH
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03 Dec 2006 11:00:50 PM |
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<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <4572540b$0$20624$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <1164985872.141552.114160@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
Tom Potter wrote:
"Edward Green" makes a good point ...
Somehow, I feel this is not going to signal agreement.
Usually, it signals that he's just rewritten what you wrote
and put the words in your mouth. It's his pattern.
BAH makes a good point when she points out,
that when a poster lets his race, religion, sex, politics,
education, credentials, nationality, hero worship, etc.
bias the tone of his post,
I sometimes complex conjugate the poster's post
in order to get the topic back on the lines
of intelligence, rationality and truth.
I have yet to see you make a post that is
intelligent, rational, and have a smidgen of truth.
I was disappointed to see BAH
assert that there was no "smidgen of truth"
in my statement:
"Edward Green" makes a good point."
I don't know what she has against Eddy.
He seems to be such a nice boy.
Maybe it's that time of the month for her??
Maybe that's why she has contributed
so many "rational, intelligent, truthful" posts
to the 10,000 plus post
"Jihad needs scientists" thread.
--
Tom Potter
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http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
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http://www.frappr.com/tompotter
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03 Dec 2006 05:03:41 PM |
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wrote:
I have yet to see you make a post that is
intelligent, rational, and have a smidgen of truth.
Oh... like all the more engaging sort of irritants, his posts at least
have some _smidgens_ of truth larded through them.
I think of a certain other poster who has entertaining and even moving
things to say about the human condition, whom I have encouraged in the
past to find another outlet for his unique voice; yet when you try to
discuss something approximating physics with him, he is stubborn and
dishonest, and one might even say delusional. Another one has some
very engaging kind of common sense engineering comments to make about
this and that -- except that when he tries to apply his common sense to
twentieth century physics, he has no _idea_ of its limitations.
Posters who have absolutely nothing to say aren't even interesting, or
frustrating: it's the ones who seem to be able to think... just enough
to partially mask their underlying psychoses... who are infuriating.
Now, the one with the nautical fantasies; I happen to think he has a
literary talent: but even I know better than to try to pin him in
reality.
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04 Dec 2006 06:10:42 AM |
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In article <1165187021.524528.76170@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
I have yet to see you make a post that is
intelligent, rational, and have a smidgen of truth.
Oh... like all the more engaging sort of irritants, his posts at least
have some _smidgens_ of truth larded through them.
Nope. It's part of his proganda ploy. He takes some fact that
people are familiar with and changes it around to promote his
agenda which is to destroy the hand that feeds him. I don't
call that truth. Take a look at his physics; he does similar
things with politics and promoting hatred.
I think of a certain other poster who has entertaining and even moving
things to say about the human condition, whom I have encouraged in the
past to find another outlet for his unique voice; yet when you try to
discuss something approximating physics with him, he is stubborn and
dishonest, and one might even say delusional. Another one has some
very engaging kind of common sense engineering comments to make about
this and that -- except that when he tries to apply his common sense to
twentieth century physics, he has no _idea_ of its limitations.
That was usually the case with engineers.
/BAH
Posters who have absolutely nothing to say aren't even interesting, or
frustrating: it's the ones who seem to be able to think... just enough
to partially mask their underlying psychoses... who are infuriating.
Now, the one with the nautical fantasies; I happen to think he has a
literary talent: but even I know better than to try to pin him in
reality.
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| User: "MathFreak NoMore" |
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| Title: Re: The Pendulum Swings yet again.... |
03 Dec 2006 06:11:15 PM |
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On 3 Dec 2006 15:03:41 -0800, Edward Green wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
I have yet to see you make a post that is
intelligent, rational, and have a smidgen of truth.
Oh... like all the more engaging sort of irritants, his posts at least
have some _smidgens_ of truth larded through them.
I think of a certain other poster who has entertaining and even moving
things to say about the human condition, whom I have encouraged in the
past to find another outlet for his unique voice; yet when you try to
discuss something approximating physics with him, he is stubborn and
dishonest, and one might even say delusional. Another one has some
very engaging kind of common sense engineering comments to make about
this and that -- except that when he tries to apply his common sense to
twentieth century physics, he has no _idea_ of its limitations.
Posters who have absolutely nothing to say aren't even interesting, or
frustrating: it's the ones who seem to be able to think... just enough
to partially mask their underlying psychoses... who are infuriating.
Now, the one with the nautical fantasies; I happen to think he has a
literary talent: but even I know better than to try to pin him in
reality.
No don't complicate it, you just drink too much :)
--
"ba'd az haft korreh edde'Aye bekArat."
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: The Pendulum Swings |
30 Nov 2006 07:23:57 PM |
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An anonymous spammer using the tag wrote:
The written apology reads:
"The United States of America apologizes to Mr. Brandon Mayfield and
his family for the suffering caused by the FBI's misidentification of
Mr. Mayfield's fingerprint and the resulting investigation of Mr.
Mayfield, including his arrest as a material witness in connection with
the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the execution of search warrants and
other court orders in the Mayfield family home and in Mr. Mayfield's
law office."
He and his family later sued the U.S. government for damages.
"We lived in 1984," Mayfield told reporters Wednesday. "I'm talking
about the George Orwell, frightening brave new world in which Big
Brother is constantly watching you." (Watch Mayfield discuss the case
Video)
"I, myself, have dark memories of stifling paranoia, of being
monitored, followed, watched, tracked," he said, choking back emotion.
"I've been surveilled, followed, targeted primarily because I've been
an outspoken critic of this administration and doing my job to defend
others who can't defend themselves, to give them their day in court,
and mostly for being a Muslim."
From wikipedia:
"Mayfield was born in Coos Bay, Oregon, but grew up in Halstead,
Kansas. He served in the US Army Reserve from 1985 to 1989;
he later served as an officer with the Army in Bitburg, Germany
from 1992 to 1994. He met his wife Mona, an Egyptian national
and the daughter of a college professor, on a blind date in 1987,
and converted to Islam following his marriage to her shortly
afterwards. While he was a regular worshiper at the Beaverton
mosque, his colleagues were unaware of his religious beliefs.
The imam of the mosque has described Mayfield as 'very patriotic'."
"He studied law at Washburn University and Lewis and Clark
College, receiving his law degree from Washburn in 1999, and
practicing family law in Newport, before moving to the Portland
area. Mayfield performed work for the Modest Means Program
of the Oregon State Bar, which matches attorneys who are
willing to work at reduced rates with low-income clients. In
2003 he offered legal aid to Jeffrey Leon Battle, one of the
Portland Seven, a group of people that was convicted of trying
to travel to Afghanistan to help the Taliban. Battle at the time
was involved in a child custody case."
So, we've returned to the impossible standard whereby we are engaged in
a life and death struggle with fanatics of a certain religion, and,
individuals like Brandon Mayfield who exhibit a certain number of
traits that might suggest they merit some special investigative
attention, including (1) converting to said religion (2) marrying a
national of a country known to be a source of fanatics carrying out
attacks in the name of said religion (3) having defended an individual
convicted of attempting to aid and abet said fanatics, should be
treated with the same interest as a Baptist spinster from Alabama, on
the theory that, in a war involving the confluence of religious and
anti-American fanaticism, we must not "profile" anybody carrying one or
more indicators of involvement in such spheres, but instead passively
wait for them to kill us, and have our survivors, if any, investigate
them afterward.
FOaD.
It's too bad the Spanish initially misidentified Mayard's fingerprint;
that was a setback to the defense of the US. Other than that, I _hope_
the FBI is investigating guys like this; though of course, if they are
pressured into stopping, we can always have another report showing how
they dropped the ball in the wake of the next serious attack, if
anybody is left to wring their hands after. If Mayard is an innocent
and patriotic American, as he seems to claim, he would perhaps stop
whining publically, and admit "Gee... I _do_ kind of look like the kind
of guy who might be involved in this sort of thing, don't I".
It would have been criminally negligent for the FBI not to have him
watched. They were, at least briefly, doing their job.
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: The Pendulum swings |
30 Nov 2006 07:15:14 PM |
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An anonymous spammer using the tag wrote:
The written apology reads:
"The United States of America apologizes to Mr. Brandon Mayfield and
his family for the suffering caused by the FBI's misidentification of
Mr. Mayfield's fingerprint and the resulting investigation of Mr.
Mayfield, including his arrest as a material witness in connection with
the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the execution of search warrants and
other court orders in the Mayfield family home and in Mr. Mayfield's
law office."
He and his family later sued the U.S. government for damages.
"We lived in 1984," Mayfield told reporters Wednesday. "I'm talking
about the George Orwell, frightening brave new world in which Big
Brother is constantly watching you." (Watch Mayfield discuss the case
Video)
"I, myself, have dark memories of stifling paranoia, of being
monitored, followed, watched, tracked," he said, choking back emotion.
"I've been surveilled, followed, targeted primarily because I've been
an outspoken critic of this administration and doing my job to defend
others who can't defend themselves, to give them their day in court,
and mostly for being a Muslim."
From wikipedia:
"Mayfield was born in Coos Bay, Oregon, but grew up in Halstead,
Kansas. He served in the US Army Reserve from 1985 to 1989;
he later served as an officer with the Army in Bitburg, Germany
from 1992 to 1994. He met his wife Mona, an Egyptian national
and the daughter of a college professor, on a blind date in 1987,
and converted to Islam following his marriage to her shortly
afterwards. While he was a regular worshiper at the Beaverton
mosque, his colleagues were unaware of his religious beliefs.
The imam of the mosque has described Mayfield as 'very patriotic'."
"He studied law at Washburn University and Lewis and Clark
College, receiving his law degree from Washburn in 1999, and
practicing family law in Newport, before moving to the Portland
area. Mayfield performed work for the Modest Means Program
of the Oregon State Bar, which matches attorneys who are
willing to work at reduced rates with low-income clients. In
2003 he offered legal aid to Jeffrey Leon Battle, one of the
Portland Seven, a group of people that was convicted of trying
to travel to Afghanistan to help the Taliban. Battle at the time
was involved in a child custody case."
So, we've returned to the impossible standard whereby we are engaged in
a life and death struggle with fanatics of a certain religion, and,
individuals like Brandon Mayfield who exhibit a certain number of
traits that might suggest they merit some special investigative
attention, including (1) converting to said religion (2) marrying a
national of a country known to be a source of fanatics carrying out
attacks in the name of said religion (3) having defended an individual
convicted of attempting to aid and abet said fanatics, should be
treated with the same interest as a Baptist spinster from Alabama, on
the theory that, in a war involving the confluence of religious and
anti-American fanaticism, we must not "profile" anybody carrying one or
more indicators of involvement in such spheres, but instead passively
wait for them to kill us, and have our survivors, if any, investigate
them afterward.
FOaD.
It's too bad the Spanish initially misidentified Mayard's fingerprint;
that was a setback to the defense of the US. Other than that, I _hope_
the FBI is investigating guys like this; though of course, if they are
pressured into stopping, we can always have another report showing how
they dropped the ball in the wake of the next serious attack, if
anybody is left to wring their hands after. If Mayard is an innocent
and patriotic American, as he seems to claim, he would perhaps stop
whining publically, and admit "Gee... I _do_ kind of look like the kind
of guy who might be involved in this sort of thing, don't I".
It would have been criminally negligent for the FBI not to have him
watched. They were, at least briefly, doing their job.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Pendulum swings |
30 Nov 2006 07:29:20 PM |
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In article <1164935714.087875.239240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>, "Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> writes:
An anonymous spammer using the tag wrote:
The written apology reads:
"The United States of America apologizes to Mr. Brandon Mayfield and
his family for the suffering caused by the FBI's misidentification of
Mr. Mayfield's fingerprint and the resulting investigation of Mr.
Mayfield, including his arrest as a material witness in connection with
the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the execution of search warrants and
other court orders in the Mayfield family home and in Mr. Mayfield's
law office."
He and his family later sued the U.S. government for damages.
"We lived in 1984," Mayfield told reporters Wednesday. "I'm talking
about the George Orwell, frightening brave new world in which Big
Brother is constantly watching you." (Watch Mayfield discuss the case
Video)
"I, myself, have dark memories of stifling paranoia, of being
monitored, followed, watched, tracked," he said, choking back emotion.
"I've been surveilled, followed, targeted primarily because I've been
an outspoken critic of this administration and doing my job to defend
others who can't defend themselves, to give them their day in court,
and mostly for being a Muslim."
From wikipedia:
"Mayfield was born in Coos Bay, Oregon, but grew up in Halstead,
Kansas. He served in the US Army Reserve from 1985 to 1989;
he later served as an officer with the Army in Bitburg, Germany
from 1992 to 1994. He met his wife Mona, an Egyptian national
and the daughter of a college professor, on a blind date in 1987,
and converted to Islam following his marriage to her shortly
afterwards. While he was a regular worshiper at the Beaverton
mosque, his colleagues were unaware of his religious beliefs.
The imam of the mosque has described Mayfield as 'very patriotic'."
"He studied law at Washburn University and Lewis and Clark
College, receiving his law degree from Washburn in 1999, and
practicing family law in Newport, before moving to the Portland
area. Mayfield performed work for the Modest Means Program
of the Oregon State Bar, which matches attorneys who are
willing to work at reduced rates with low-income clients. In
2003 he offered legal aid to Jeffrey Leon Battle, one of the
Portland Seven, a group of people that was convicted of trying
to travel to Afghanistan to help the Taliban. Battle at the time
was involved in a child custody case."
So, we've returned to the impossible standard whereby we are engaged in
a life and death struggle with fanatics of a certain religion, and,
individuals like Brandon Mayfield who exhibit a certain number of
traits that might suggest they merit some special investigative
attention, including (1) converting to said religion (2) marrying a
national of a country known to be a source of fanatics carrying out
attacks in the name of said religion (3) having defended an individual
convicted of attempting to aid and abet said fanatics, should be
treated with the same interest as a Baptist spinster from Alabama, on
the theory that, in a war involving the confluence of religious and
anti-American fanaticism, we must not "profile" anybody carrying one or
more indicators of involvement in such spheres, but instead passively
wait for them to kill us, and have our survivors, if any, investigate
them afterward.
FOaD.
It's too bad the Spanish initially misidentified Mayard's fingerprint;
that was a setback to the defense of the US. Other than that, I _hope_
the FBI is investigating guys like this; though of course, if they are
pressured into stopping, we can always have another report showing how
they dropped the ball in the wake of the next serious attack, if
anybody is left to wring their hands after. If Mayard is an innocent
and patriotic American, as he seems to claim, he would perhaps stop
whining publically, and admit "Gee... I _do_ kind of look like the kind
of guy who might be involved in this sort of thing, don't I".
It would have been criminally negligent for the FBI not to have him
watched. They were, at least briefly, doing their job.
Yes, yes, yes.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: Re: The Pendulum swings |
30 Nov 2006 07:34:24 PM |
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wrote:
<...>
Yes, yes, yes.
Google messed up my post. It's a conspiracy. ;-)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Pendulum swings |
30 Nov 2006 09:24:08 PM |
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In article <1164936864.492098.189890@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> writes:
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
<...>
Yes, yes, yes.
Google messed up my post. It's a conspiracy. ;-)
Must be:-)))
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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