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"Jeff Relf" |
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19 Dec 2003 03:07:56 PM |
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. Counting photons . |
Hello Erico Di Gelato , You ask ,
" Is light a wave or a particle ? "
Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves ,
with particle-like behavior .
And with adding and cancelling ,
it's impossible to say how many photons might be in a peak .
People count the maxima of laser oscillations all the time ,
But no one can count photons .
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: Re: What's that all about , Franz ? |
30 Dec 2003 09:54:10 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bsp1k4$f99$5@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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The 4-momentum of a photon is not zero. Only its magnitude is.
That's completely nuts.
On the contrary, it is exactly right, if you remember that the space-time
equivalent of Pythagoras' theorem says that
mag^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - tau^2.
Right. I had forgotten the little matter of the indefinite metric.
I realized I had blundered later but had to go back and search on the
word "nuts" to find this thread, and the correction I was sure was
waiting for me. No doubt there is more than one, but I will consider
myself fortunate to read your mild one first. ;-)
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: What's that all about , Franz ? |
31 Dec 2003 03:14:46 PM |
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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The 4-momentum of a photon is not zero. Only its magnitude is.
That's completely nuts.
On the contrary, it is exactly right, if you remember that the
space-time
equivalent of Pythagoras' theorem says that
mag^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - tau^2.
Right. I had forgotten the little matter of the indefinite metric.
I realized I had blundered later but had to go back and search on the
word "nuts" to find this thread, and the correction I was sure was
waiting for me. No doubt there is more than one, but I will consider
myself fortunate to read your mild one first. ;-)
I reserve my acerbity for twits.
Franz
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: What's that all about , Franz ? |
31 Dec 2003 11:34:21 AM |
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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The 4-momentum of a photon is not zero. Only its magnitude is.
That's completely nuts.
On the contrary, it is exactly right, if you remember that the
space-time
equivalent of Pythagoras' theorem says that
mag^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - tau^2.
Right. I had forgotten the little matter of the indefinite metric.
Indefinite?
I realized I had blundered later but had to go back and search on the
word "nuts" to find this thread, and the correction I was sure was
waiting for me. No doubt there is more than one, but I will consider
myself fortunate to read your mild one first. ;-)
Happy new year.
Franz
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: Re: What's that all about , Franz ? |
02 Jan 2004 07:14:44 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bsv1as$e49$15@hercules.btinternet.com>...
"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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The 4-momentum of a photon is not zero. Only its magnitude is.
That's completely nuts.
On the contrary, it is exactly right, if you remember that the
space-time
equivalent of Pythagoras' theorem says that
mag^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - tau^2.
Right. I had forgotten the little matter of the indefinite metric.
Indefinite?
Well, a metric which returns zero only for the null vector, and a
positive number otherwise, is refered to as "positive definite".
Therefore, a metric which may return zero for vectors other than the
null vector is "indefinite", or perhaps "non-negative semi-definite":
not so?
I realized I had blundered later but had to go back and search on the
word "nuts" to find this thread, and the correction I was sure was
waiting for me. No doubt there is more than one, but I will consider
myself fortunate to read your mild one first. ;-)
Happy new year.
And to you, belatedly.
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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02 Jan 2004 07:17:32 PM |
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"Therefore, a metric which may return zero for vectors other than the
null vector is "indefinite", or perhaps "non-negative semi-definite":
not so?"
*****. I should have stopped while I was ahead.
Of course the Minkowski metric may also become negative, so I should
have stopped at "indefinite".
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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02 Jan 2004 09:40:47 PM |
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Edward Green wrote:
Of course the Minkowski metric may also become negative, so I should
have stopped at "indefinite".
The Minkowski Invariant (or space time interval) is not a metric.
Metrics are positive definite. See definition of metric for a
topological space.
Bob Kolker
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31 Dec 2003 05:32:16 AM |
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In article <2a0cceff.0312301954.1aada073@posting.google.com>,
(Edward Green) wrote:
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<bsp1k4$f99$5@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Edward Green" < > wrote in message
news:2a0cceff.0312282026.2ab82429@posting.google.com...
"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:<rzCHb.8440$lt.1035@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
The 4-momentum of a photon is not zero. Only its magnitude is.
That's completely nuts.
On the contrary, it is exactly right, if you remember that the
space-time
equivalent of Pythagoras' theorem says that
mag^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - tau^2.
Right. I had forgotten the little matter of the indefinite metric.
I realized I had blundered later but had to go back and search on the
word "nuts" to find this thread,
<GRIN> And how many hits?....
..and the correction I was sure was
waiting for me. No doubt there is more than one, but I will consider
myself fortunate to read your mild one first. ;-)
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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31 Dec 2003 03:41:46 PM |
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wrote in message news:<3ff2c4d7$0$4755$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
In article <2a0cceff.0312301954.1aada073@posting.google.com>,
nulldev00@aol.com (Edward Green) wrote:
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I realized I had blundered later but had to go back and search on the
word "nuts" to find this thread,
<GRIN> And how many hits?....
Oh, about as many as I got on "***** . Plonk" :-)
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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29 Dec 2003 03:05:16 AM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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The 4-momentum of a photon is not zero. Only its magnitude is.
That's completely nuts.
The Standard Model and QM is completely nuts.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: . The H.U.P. & photons . |
28 Dec 2003 01:11:24 PM |
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Hello Edward Green ,
Re: Whether the time component of a photon's 4-momentum ,
i.e. it's energy , falls under the purview of the H.U.P. ,
You ask ,
" Care to recap the discussion ? "
I think Franz was saying that
the energy of a photon does fall
under the purview of the H.U.P. ,
which makes a lot of sense to me ,
after all it is very wave-like .
I think Franz said that this was true because ,
in our , human , frame of reference ,
from emission to absorption ,
a photon does have a finite , observable , lifespan .
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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28 Dec 2003 01:14:32 PM |
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Hello Edward Green , Re: Franz plonking me ,
You ask , " was ignorance your only sin ? "
He just sore at me and said , " Plonk " .
Nothing more .
Maybe it was because I mentioned Pete [ PMB ] ,
and " Relativistic mass " ...
Or maybe because it was the cross posting ,
I don't know .
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| User: "Mike" |
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31 Dec 2003 07:32:47 AM |
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Jeff Relf wrote...
Or maybe because it was the cross posting ,
I don't know .
Or perhaps he's sick of trying to follow your posts.
I've told you before, some newsreaders need more than the
"References:" line to maintain a veiwable thread. With Lookout
Express which Franz is using and Forte Agent which many others
are using, your replies don't follow the thread. In fact, every
time you change the subject line of an established thread, you
effectively start a new one. This means that to Franz, me and
many others, the group is full of 'new subjects' from "Jeff
Relf".
But what are you worried about, I thought you don't care?
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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31 Dec 2003 01:41:46 PM |
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Hello Mike , Re: Franz's mysterious Plonk ,
You wrote ,
" some newsreaders need more than the " References: " line
to maintain a viewable thread "
No , I think you're quite wrong about that .
All newsreaders are capable of using the References line .
I'll admit that some people might
have screwed that up , but that's their problem .
Franz didn't say anything about that .
Pete [ PMB ] tells me that Franz is an ***** anyways .
It's been awhile since I last used Outlook ,
but I'm sure it threaded via the References line .
Say Mike , I don't know anything about you ,
but maybe you could answer this question ,
is it possible to select which headers I want
when I do an XOVER ?
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| User: "Mike" |
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31 Dec 2003 03:13:58 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote...
Hello Mike , Re: Franz's mysterious Plonk ,
You wrote ,
" some newsreaders need more than the " References: " line
to maintain a viewable thread "
No , I think you're quite wrong about that .
All newsreaders are capable of using the References line .
I didn't say otherwise.
I'll admit that some people might
have screwed that up , but that's their problem .
Franz didn't say anything about that .
Pete [ PMB ] tells me that Franz is an ***** anyways .
And Pete is the oracle eh?
ffs.
It's been awhile since I last used Outlook ,
but I'm sure it threaded via the References line .
It doesn't.
Say Mike , I don't know anything about you ,
but maybe you could answer this question ,
Maybe I could.
is it possible to select which headers I want
when I do an XOVER ?
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| User: "Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?=" |
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25 Dec 2003 06:36:29 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Hello Peter Köhlmann ,
Re: " Flooding " comp.os.linux.advocacy with physics ,
There is no flame war going on here ,
not " Flooding " .
I think of newsgroups as being composed of people ,
not topics .
But that's a philosophical issue ,
so I'm sure we'll never agree on that .
Right. You discuss physics in a physics group, fine
If you discuss it here, not fine at all. Especially not at your level.
Did you manage to grow enough brain cells to elevate your IQ into 2-digit
territory?
--
A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant:
first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip
away everything that doesn't look like an elephant.
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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25 Dec 2003 05:58:29 PM |
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Hello Franz Heymann ,
Re: Why one might be counting photons , You wrote ,
" To study the chemistry of positronium "
You're a real wealth of knowledge ,
Now I regret having been rude to you
over your simple request for more context .
You're right , too many people are omit too much context .
Re: How H.U.P. prohibits the measurement of
a perfect lack of energy ( or relativistic mass ) ,
You even corrected my favorite poster ,
Pete Brown [ PMB ] .
You also told me that the relativistic mass of a photon
is the magnitude of the 4-momentum .
You're batting a thousand !
You moved to Briton in 1947 ,
But you were born in South Africa ... When ?
( If you don't mind me asking )
I was born in Seattle at the start of 1960 .
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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26 Dec 2003 05:36:42 AM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Franz Heymann ,
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Re: How H.U.P. prohibits the measurement of
a perfect lack of energy ( or relativistic mass ) ,
HUP certainly prohibits the errorless measurement of the energy of a photon.
I have posted a correct statement five minutes or so ago, in which I
acknowledged that HUP does not li9mit the accuracy to which the mass of as
photon can be measurd.
Jeff, if it amuses you to try and prolong a thread by your deliberate misuse
of the term "mass", you are the only one who might be amused by it.
You even corrected my favorite poster ,
Pete Brown [ PMB ] .
You also told me that the relativistic mass of a photon
is the magnitude of the 4-momentum .
That is an outright lie.
I said that the mass of a photon is the magnitude of its 4-momentum
I don't use the term "relativistic mass" ever, since it serves no purpose.
The term "energy" does it all, without any adjectives.
You're batting a thousand !
Yes.
You moved to Briton in 1947 ,
Learn to spell
But you were born in South Africa ... When ?
( If you don't mind me asking )
I do mind you asking.
I was born in Seattle at the start of 1960
Good for you.
Franz
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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26 Dec 2003 04:34:28 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bsh6ga$63s$5@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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You moved to Briton in 1947 ,
Learn to spell
Or not to use words one should look up but doesn't: like the USN
captain who once said that the skilled workers in the yard were
"artesians".
But you were born in South Africa ... When ?
( If you don't mind me asking )
I do mind you asking.
I once met a man from South Africa. He told me the way one could tell
a South African from any of the other assorted extended former
commonwealthians was use of "ya" for yes: SA's might say "yes", but if
you listened long enough, he claimed, you would hear "ya". And, oh
ya, sure enough he used it.
The very next day, I was talking to a woman from British Guyana whom I
had just met, and she asked me out of the blue "are you from South
Africa?"; a strange thing since so far as I know I am not from SA, but
from NYC, and furthermore, I did not knowingly say "ya"! Maybe it was
the gap between my teeth. Is South Africanism communicable?
In checking usage of "Briton" I came across two stories about in the
BBC about Britons coming a cropper in the Outback. Apparently it is
quite the thing for a certain kind of Brit to go driving about the
Outback in four wheel drive vehicles unequipped with any kind of
modern emergency equipment, like radios or emergency beacons (the
motorcar itself apparently not interfering with the purity of their
communion). One was found irreversibly near death after walking 25
miles from his stranded car; another had the good sense to stay with
his vehicle on a remote beach and write "HELP" in the sand -- a bush
pilot spotted him.
I liked the fact that the first was sought -- after someone first
found his car and footprints leading away from it -- by the police and
aboriginal trackers. I think it is damn sporting and cricket of those
aboriginal tracker fellows to go looking for stupid white men who get
themselves lost in the trackless waste on midlife self-sufficiency and
stupidity crises: shows there is no hard feeling about colonialism and
all, don't you know!?
The mother of the second man (a mere lad of 53) said he's a very nice
fellow, only she hopes he doesn't go on doing anything stupid like
wandering off in the wasteland again. Boys will be boys.
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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27 Dec 2003 04:08:24 PM |
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2a0cceff.0312261434.63ff23be@posting.google.com...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<bsh6ga$63s$5@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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You moved to Briton in 1947 ,
Learn to spell
Or not to use words one should look up but doesn't: like the USN
captain who once said that the skilled workers in the yard were
"artesians".
But you were born in South Africa ... When ?
( If you don't mind me asking )
I do mind you asking.
I once met a man from South Africa. He told me the way one could tell
a South African from any of the other assorted extended former
commonwealthians was use of "ya" for yes: SA's might say "yes", but if
you listened long enough, he claimed, you would hear "ya". And, oh
ya, sure enough he used it.
It is indeed pronounced as you indicated, but it is spelt "ja".
The very next day, I was talking to a woman from British Guyana whom I
had just met, and she asked me out of the blue "are you from South
Africa?";
a strange thing since so far as I know I am not from SA, but
from NYC, and furthermore, I did not knowingly say "ya"! Maybe it was
the gap between my teeth. Is South Africanism communicable?
There is no way someone from NYC could be mistaken for either an Afrikaans
speaking or an English speaking South African. The dictions of either of
these are infinitely more melliflous than that. {:-))
I fear the lady from British Guyana was not well up on how South Africans
sound when they speak English.
(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture, came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
Franz
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27 Dec 2003 06:37:19 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture, came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
Ja, bitte.
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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28 Dec 2003 09:34:58 AM |
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"Watson & Parisi" <niche@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:3fee24e4$0$4764$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bskvsn$66l$12@hercules.btinternet.com...
[...]
(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture,
came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
You mean "ja, asseblief"
However,
He same to the desk after the lecture, and after a lot of shuffilnrg of feet
and clearing of throat, he said somwthing like "Sir, I wonder if I may ask
you what your nationality is?" I rebuked him sternly, reminding him of the
ancient traditions of his University to be an open door to all and treat all
nationalities with an even hand...bla...bnla...bla. But my curiousity
compelled me to ask why it was important to know my nationality. The reply
was that someone in the class had opened a betting book on the topic, and he
needed to know who had to be paid out..
(The student ultimately joined my research group and we remained friends
ever after)
Franz
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28 Dec 2003 04:45:52 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Watson & Parisi" <niche@rcn.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bskvsn$66l$12@hercules.btinternet.com...
[...]
(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture,
came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
You mean "ja, asseblief"
However,
He same to the desk after the lecture, and after a lot of shuffilnrg of
feet
and clearing of throat, he said somwthing like "Sir, I wonder if I may ask
you what your nationality is?" I rebuked him sternly, reminding him of
the
ancient traditions of his University to be an open door to all and treat
all
nationalities with an even hand...bla...bnla...bla. But my curiousity
compelled me to ask why it was important to know my nationality. The reply
was that someone in the class had opened a betting book on the topic, and
he
needed to know who had to be paid out..
(The student ultimately joined my research group and we remained friends
ever after)
That essay had even more than my usual quota of typos. And yes, it was the
fault of the wnhisky.
Franz
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28 Dec 2003 05:38:58 PM |
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Franz Heymann wrote:
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bsmt72$5av$11@sparta.btinternet.com...
"Watson & Parisi" <niche@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:3fee24e4$0$4764$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bskvsn$66l$12@hercules.btinternet.com...
[...]
(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture,
came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
You mean "ja, asseblief"
However,
He same to the desk after the lecture, and after a lot of shuffilnrg of
feet
and clearing of throat, he said somwthing like "Sir, I wonder if I may ask
you what your nationality is?" I rebuked him sternly, reminding him of
the
ancient traditions of his University to be an open door to all and treat
all
nationalities with an even hand...bla...bnla...bla. But my curiousity
compelled me to ask why it was important to know my nationality. The reply
was that someone in the class had opened a betting book on the topic, and
he
needed to know who had to be paid out..
(The student ultimately joined my research group and we remained friends
ever after)
That essay had even more than my usual quota of typos. And yes, it was the
fault of the wnhisky.
Franz
And did those feet
In ancient times
Walk upon England's
Mountains green.
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: Re: The're always be a Briton |
28 Dec 2003 09:44:22 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bskvsn$66l$12@hercules.btinternet.com>...
I once met a man from South Africa. He told me the way one could tell
a South African from any of the other assorted extended former
commonwealthians was use of "ya" for yes: SA's might say "yes", but if
you listened long enough, he claimed, you would hear "ya". And, oh
ya, sure enough he used it.
It is indeed pronounced as you indicated, but it is spelt "ja".
Ach. Of course.
The very next day, I was talking to a woman from British Guyana ...
and she asked me out of the blue "are you from South
Africa?"... Is South Africanism communicable?
There is no way someone from NYC could be mistaken for either an Afrikaans
speaking or an English speaking South African. The dictions of either of
these are infinitely more melliflous than that. {:-))
I fear the lady from British Guyana was not well up on how South Africans
sound when they speak English.
Huh. Yet the coincidence was incredible, because I can guarantee that
for a set of, say 1000 days beforehand, I had neither (1) knowingly
spoken to a South African (2) been taken for one!
Some manerism must have rubbed off by mimicry.
(There was a WSJ article on the problems of mimics abroad which I
resembled).
(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture, came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
ja, ja, ja, nee, nee
(majority rule)
I remember that story: just not the punchline.
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: The're always be a Briton |
28 Dec 2003 04:45:51 PM |
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2a0cceff.0312280744.2f766373@posting.google.com...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<bskvsn$66l$12@hercules.btinternet.com>...
I once met a man from South Africa. He told me the way one could tell
a South African from any of the other assorted extended former
commonwealthians was use of "ya" for yes: SA's might say "yes", but if
you listened long enough, he claimed, you would hear "ya". And, oh
ya, sure enough he used it.
It is indeed pronounced as you indicated, but it is spelt "ja".
Ach. Of course.
You mean "ag"
The very next day, I was talking to a woman from British Guyana ...
and she asked me out of the blue "are you from South
Africa?"... Is South Africanism communicable?
There is no way someone from NYC could be mistaken for either an
Afrikaans
speaking or an English speaking South African. The dictions of either
of
these are infinitely more melliflous than that. {:-))
I fear the lady from British Guyana was not well up on how South
Africans
sound when they speak English.
Huh. Yet the coincidence was incredible, because I can guarantee that
for a set of, say 1000 days beforehand, I had neither (1) knowingly
spoken to a South African (2) been taken for one!
Some manerism must have rubbed off by mimicry.
(There was a WSJ article on the problems of mimics abroad which I
resembled).
(a) Have you heard the story about the student who, after a lecture,
came
to the front to ask me what nationality I was?
(b) Would you like to hear it?
Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
ja, ja, ja, nee, nee
(majority rule)
I remember that story: just not the punchline.
Too late. Someone else asked for it and I replied too quickly.
My apologies.
Does my latest version more or less match my earlier version?
Franz
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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| Title: Re: The're always be a Briton |
28 Dec 2003 09:17:58 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bsnmeu$e0d$8@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2a0cceff.0312280744.2f766373@posting.google.com...
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Any combination of "ja's and "nee's" would be acceptable as answers.
ja, ja, ja, nee, nee
(majority rule)
I remember that story: just not the punchline.
Too late. Someone else asked for it and I replied too quickly.
My apologies.
? No apology necessary, surely.
Does my latest version more or less match my earlier version?
In my recollecton, yes.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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26 Dec 2003 08:27:54 PM |
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(Edward Green) wrote in message news:<2a0cceff.0312261434.63ff23be@posting.google.com>...
I once met a man from South Africa.
"There once was a man from Nantucket..." ;)
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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27 Dec 2003 01:21:23 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7d087978.0312261827.4aae4b07@posting.google.com...
nulldev00@aol.com (Edward Green) wrote in message
news:<2a0cceff.0312261434.63ff23be@posting.google.com>...
I once met a man from South Africa.
"There once was a man from Nantucket..." ;)
-Mark Martin
"And he said of this thread... Fuckit...."
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| User: "" |
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27 Dec 2003 05:57:15 AM |
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In article <2a0cceff.0312261434.63ff23be@posting.google.com>,
(Edward Green) wrote:
<snip>
I once met a man from South Africa. He told me the way one could tell
a South African from any of the other assorted extended former
commonwealthians was use of "ya" for yes: SA's might say "yes", but if
you listened long enough, he claimed, you would hear "ya". And, oh
ya, sure enough he used it.
When I was little, we had a teacher who would crack us on the side
of the head if we said "Ya" instead of "yes". All of my relatives
said "ya". Saying "yessss" meant that the speaker was at the end
of all patience. All kids pay attention when that happens for
self-preservation purposes.
<snip evolution in action>
Another good story is about the people who decided to celebrate
Christmas Eve by setting off fire crackers inside the house
next to the unwatered Christmas tree.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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| User: "Gauge" |
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| Title: Re: . The Mighty Franz . |
26 Dec 2003 09:20:21 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bsh6ga$63s$5@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:1f77h7o2urgzg$.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf...
Hello Franz Heymann ,
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Re: How H.U.P. prohibits the measurement of
a perfect lack of energy ( or relativistic mass ) ,
HUP certainly prohibits the errorless measurement of the energy of a photon.
I have posted a correct statement five minutes or so ago, in which I
acknowledged that HUP does not li9mit the accuracy to which the mass of as
photon can be measurd.
Jeff, if it amuses you to try and prolong a thread by your deliberate misuse
of the term "mass", you are the only one who might be amused by it.
You even corrected my favorite poster ,
Pete Brown [ PMB ] .
You also told me that the relativistic mass of a photon
is the magnitude of the 4-momentum .
That is an outright lie.
I said that the mass of a photon is the magnitude of its 4-momentum
I don't use the term "relativistic mass" ever, since it serves no purpose.
The term "energy" does it all, without any adjectives.
Only in special cases. But they are defined differently. They are not
the same thing.
Relativistic mass, M, is the time component of (mechanical)
4-momentum, P, i.e.
P^u = (cM, p)
In an inertal frame of referance M = E/c^2. However in a non-inertial
frame that is no longer true
You're batting a thousand !
Yes.
You moved to Briton in 1947 ,
Learn to spell
But you were born in South Africa ... When ?
( If you don't mind me asking )
I do mind you asking.
I was born in Seattle at the start of 1960
Good for you.
And here Jeff sees the nature of heymann. Nasty to the core.
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