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"Jeff Relf" |
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19 Dec 2003 03:07:56 PM |
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. Counting photons . |
Hello Erico Di Gelato , You ask ,
" Is light a wave or a particle ? "
Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves ,
with particle-like behavior .
And with adding and cancelling ,
it's impossible to say how many photons might be in a peak .
People count the maxima of laser oscillations all the time ,
But no one can count photons .
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: . Defining terms . |
26 Dec 2003 11:18:23 AM |
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Hello Pete [ Gauge ] , Re: Franz's comment ,
" I don't use the term ' relativistic mass ' ever ,
since it serves no purpose .
The term ' energy ' does it all ,
without any adjectives . "
You wrote ,
" Relativistic mass , M ,
is the time component of ( mechanical ) 4-momentum ,
P , i.e. P ^ u = ( cM , p )
In an inertial frame of reference M = E / c ^ 2 .
However in a non-inertial frame that is no longer true "
Thanks Pete , I have to agree with you here ,
and I therefore disagree with Franz .
This seems to be why he plonked me .
If all the terms are defined well enough ,
I don't see why it's such an outrageous sin to say ,
" Relativistic mass " .
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| User: "Pmb" |
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26 Dec 2003 11:45:57 AM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Pete [ Gauge ] , Re: Franz's comment ,
" I don't use the term ' relativistic mass ' ever ,
since it serves no purpose .
The term ' energy ' does it all ,
without any adjectives . "
You wrote ,
" Relativistic mass , M ,
is the time component of ( mechanical ) 4-momentum ,
P , i.e. P ^ u = ( cM , p )
In an inertial frame of reference M = E / c ^ 2 .
However in a non-inertial frame that is no longer true "
Thanks Pete , I have to agree with you here ,
and I therefore disagree with Franz .
This seems to be why he plonked me .
If all the terms are defined well enough ,
I don't see why it's such an outrageous sin to say ,
" Relativistic mass " .
Its a religious thing with them I guess. You don't see me get irritated when
someone says "rest mass" or "proper mass" that's for sure.
I guess its like why waite does it - he learned mass depends of speed when
he was young but he never knew why. Then he went to school and his teacher
told him that it was not required in relativity. I.e. his teacher told him
something to the effect
"The quantity gamma*m is sometimes called the relativistic "mass" and m the
"rest mass." It is preferable, however, to recognize only one quantity as
the mass of an object, namely m itself."
waite took that to mean "if you use relativitic mass then you're stupid" or
something like that. He failed to reaslize that his teacher has an opinion
and that is all. He then ceased to seek out others opinions on this. After
all, how could his teacher's opinion be invalid right? He failed to ask how
all other teachers who have a different opinion could be right too.
He must have thought that he learned something new at that point and that he
now knew something more than his highchool buddies. That gave him the
feeling of superiority and he seems to enjoy that. Thus when someone
explains his errors to him he gets very irritated. However what waite never
considered was that this was something people have disggreed with for over a
half a century. He never decided to question his teacher and thus he never
learned the truth. Instead he insults those who disagree with him. I seem to
recall him saying that all "modern relativity" (a term he loves to use as if
it means something impressive) texts uses mass as he does. But when I
showed him several examples to the contrary he changed his tune - now they
are not good texts or some horse-***** like that.
What he failed to realize was that his teacher explained to him that the "m"
he keeps yapping about is the "classical mass" .
Here is the notes of his relativity teacher
http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture04.pdf
The shot answer is that people like waite are just too full of themselves
and, erroneously, think they know everything.
However you'll notice that waite's own relativity text tells him different.
One of his texts is by Rindler who uses relativisitic mass
waite now uses Rindler's text as a door stop
Pmb
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Re: . Defining terms . |
26 Dec 2003 12:11:32 PM |
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Hello Pete [ Pmb ] , Re: My getting plonked
for merely mentioning the term " Relativistic mass " ,
You wrote , " It's a religious thing with them I guess . "
I wonder why it bothers them so much .
You wrote , " You don't see me get irritated
when someone says ' rest mass ' or ' proper mass '
that's for sure "
If the terms are clearly defined ,
then what's the problem ?
You recount ,
" However you'll notice that Waite's own relativity text
tells him different .
One of his texts is by Rindler
who uses [ the term ] relativistic mass .
Waite now uses Rindler's text as a door stop . "
That's too funny .
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| User: "Pmb" |
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26 Dec 2003 12:22:49 PM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:cg4wq2fuci5q.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
Hello Pete [ Pmb ] , Re: My getting plonked
for merely mentioning the term " Relativistic mass " ,
You wrote , " It's a religious thing with them I guess . "
I wonder why it bothers them so much .
You wrote , " You don't see me get irritated
when someone says ' rest mass ' or ' proper mass '
that's for sure "
If the terms are clearly defined ,
then what's the problem ?
When it comes to what a term means it comes to opinion. And people like
bigle, varney, waite, anderson etc. think you must be stupid if your opinion
differs from theirs
You recount ,
" However you'll notice that Waite's own relativity text
tells him different .
One of his texts is by Rindler
who uses [ the term ] relativistic mass .
Waite now uses Rindler's text as a door stop . "
That's too funny .
It sure is! :-)
Pete
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| User: "Mu-Pi" |
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26 Dec 2003 02:11:34 PM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Z%_Gb.4408$BJ4.4139@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:cg4wq2fuci5q.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
Hello Pete [ Pmb ] , Re: My getting plonked
for merely mentioning the term " Relativistic mass " ,
You wrote , " It's a religious thing with them I guess . "
I wonder why it bothers them so much .
You wrote , " You don't see me get irritated
when someone says ' rest mass ' or ' proper mass '
that's for sure "
If the terms are clearly defined ,
then what's the problem ?
When it comes to what a term means it comes to opinion. And people like
bigle, varney, waite, anderson etc. think you must be stupid if your
opinion
differs from theirs
You recount ,
" However you'll notice that Waite's own relativity text
tells him different .
One of his texts is by Rindler
who uses [ the term ] relativistic mass .
Waite now uses Rindler's text as a door stop . "
That's too funny .
It sure is! :-)
Pete
Aww... ain't that cute... the cranks Brown and Relf have started their
mating dance!
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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26 Dec 2003 02:26:51 PM |
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Hello Mu-Pi , Re: Your fear of Pete [ PMB ] ,
You cite ,
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
Pete's physics was very good ...
It was compelling and done with grace .
Jesus , " Old Man " is Really looney .
Are you looney too , Mu-Pi ?
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| User: "Mu-Pi" |
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26 Dec 2003 02:34:23 PM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:9rzgxk6t42cr$.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
<SNIP>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
You are welcome. I take your gratitude as a sign that you agree with the
assessment that you and Brown are crackpots.
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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27 Dec 2003 11:38:39 AM |
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"Mu-Pi" <Mu-Pi@greekletter.net> wrote in message news:<rX0Hb.41$y15.57575@news.uswest.net>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:9rzgxk6t42cr$.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
<SNIP>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
You are welcome. I take your gratitude as a sign that you agree with the
assessment that you and Brown are crackpots.
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Hi Homo
you are invited to add your name to the Homo list-
actually you are already there
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| User: "Pmb" |
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27 Dec 2003 12:10:08 PM |
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"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:4e35159f.0312270938.1889ebcd@posting.google.com...
"Mu-Pi" <Mu-Pi@greekletter.net> wrote in message
news:<rX0Hb.41$y15.57575@news.uswest.net>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:9rzgxk6t42cr$.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
<SNIP>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
You are welcome. I take your gratitude as a sign that you agree with
the
assessment that you and Brown are crackpots.
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Hi Homo
you are invited to add your name to the Homo list-
actually you are already there
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Calling him homo is an insult to homosexuals.
Pmb
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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27 Dec 2003 11:40:00 AM |
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"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:4e35159f.0312270938.1889ebcd@posting.google.com...
"Mu-Pi" <Mu-Pi@greekletter.net> wrote in message
news:<rX0Hb.41$y15.57575@news.uswest.net>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:9rzgxk6t42cr$.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
<SNIP>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
You are welcome. I take your gratitude as a sign that you agree with
the
assessment that you and Brown are crackpots.
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Hi Homo
you are invited to add your name to the Homo list-
actually you are already there
Wow... what a stunning ripost!
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| User: "Pmb" |
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26 Dec 2003 04:02:16 PM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:9rzgxk6t42cr$.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
Hello Mu-Pi , Re: Your fear of Pete [ PMB ] ,
You cite ,
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
I got a kick out of old man. He's one of those nasty flamers who think that
you should care what they think.
There as a very memorable thread where he tried to flame me using something
I wrote about on relativisitic mass. I explained to him that light generates
a gravitational field. He claimed otherwise. Even when proof was given to
him he couldn't admit he was wrong. All he could do was whine. It was just
more evidence to me that people thinking only in terms of rest mass can lead
to incorrect conclusions. old man's confusion sure was a perfect example!
:-)
Pete's physics was very good ...
It was compelling and done with grace .
Jesus , " Old Man " is Really looney .
Are you looney too , Mu-Pi ?
He's a very disturbed person to say the least! He should seek professional
help. But you know how people like that are. They think they're normal even
when everyone tells him he's disturbed.
Did I tell you about the time that he stalked me to a Leukemia support
board? He was there for some unknown amount of time reading what I was
posting, waiting to find something he could use to try to hurt me with.
Eventually he started posting there and he royally ***** everyone
there. Everyone saw right through him. And all he could do was to start
insulting them! To me that is the sign of a very sick individual.
Pmb
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| User: "Mu-Pi" |
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26 Dec 2003 04:40:22 PM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Id2Hb.3694$lt.824@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:9rzgxk6t42cr$.dlg@x.Jeff.Relf...
Hello Mu-Pi , Re: Your fear of Pete [ PMB ] ,
You cite ,
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e505aef_1%40newsfeed
That's a great link , thanks .
I got a kick out of old man. He's one of those nasty flamers who think
that
you should care what they think.
There as a very memorable thread where he tried to flame me using
something
I wrote about on relativisitic mass. I explained to him that light
generates
a gravitational field. He claimed otherwise. Even when proof was given to
him he couldn't admit he was wrong. All he could do was whine. It was just
more evidence to me that people thinking only in terms of rest mass can
lead
to incorrect conclusions. old man's confusion sure was a perfect example!
:-)
Actually, he showed that you were wrong. It is astounding that you persist
in lying even though the google record shows the truth.
Pete's physics was very good ...
It was compelling and done with grace .
Jesus , " Old Man " is Really looney .
Are you looney too , Mu-Pi ?
He's a very disturbed person to say the least! He should seek professional
help. But you know how people like that are. They think they're normal
even
when everyone tells him he's disturbed.
Did I tell you about the time that he stalked me to a Leukemia support
board? He was there for some unknown amount of time reading what I was
posting, waiting to find something he could use to try to hurt me with.
Eventually he started posting there and he royally ***** everyone
there. Everyone saw right through him. And all he could do was to start
insulting them! To me that is the sign of a very sick individual.
Here you go playing your cancer sympathy card.
LOL!
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| User: "Gauge" |
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26 Dec 2003 09:23:45 AM |
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Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<1f77h7o2urgzg$.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>...
Hello Franz Heymann ,
Re: Why one might be counting photons , You wrote ,
" To study the chemistry of positronium "
You're a real wealth of knowledge ,
Now I regret having been rude to you
over your simple request for more context .
You're right , too many people are omit too much context .
Re: How H.U.P. prohibits the measurement of
a perfect lack of energy ( or relativistic mass ) ,
You even corrected my favorite poster ,
Pete Brown [ PMB ] .
He might have tried to correct me or claimed to. That is all. Don't
believe everything that you read Jeff. :-)
Pete
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25 Dec 2003 05:52:20 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Hello Franz Heymann ,
Re: Why one might be counting photons , You wrote ,
" To study the chemistry of positronium "
You're a real wealth of knowledge ,
hag b gone
go away relf
leave us b
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25 Dec 2003 11:31:11 AM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Hello Franz Heymann ,
Re: Defining the standard kilogram by counting the photons
emitted from the laser of super cooled cesium-133 atoms
rather than pure isotopes of silicon , You wrote ,
" You are presumably talking about the energy of the photon
involved in a well known transition .
Now explain the steps by which you would
calibrate a practical secondary standard . "
I'm the " Original poster " that created this title ,
" Counting photons " .
You joined in after I said that
we can Not count photons like that ...
_ You _ are the one that said he could do it , not me .
So why are you now asking Me how to do it ? !
I want to shoot some phtoons in Jolene Blalock's vulcan *****.
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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25 Dec 2003 11:56:00 AM |
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Hello J.A. Bailo , Born in NY NY , 1960 , You wrote ,
" I want to shoot some photons in Jolene Blalock's
Vulcan ***** "
Sure you do John .
Re: Your handle , " % Killfile me % " ,
isn't that a bit like telling people ,
" Breathe ! Breathe ! "
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| User: "Erico Di Gelato" |
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19 Dec 2003 03:53:47 PM |
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Pronto, Jeff Relf !
Hello Erico Di Gelato , You ask ,
" Is light a wave or a particle ? "
Photons are definitely waves ,
Really? That ain't what Einstein's Nobel winning 1916 paper on the
photoelectric effect said...
but they're funky waves ,
with particle-like behavior .
But no one can count photons .
What is your personal explanation of Thomas Young's double slit
interference experiment, using a single photon (in which, it interferes
with itself ) ?
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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19 Dec 2003 04:14:56 PM |
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Hello Dr. Hawking ,
Re: My comment , " Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves , with particle-like behavior "
You wrote ,
" That ain't what Einstein's Nobel winning 1916 paper
on the photoelectric effect said "
Right John , Like you would know anything that .
How is your time machine coming along ?
( And what are you going to do with it ? )
You ask ,
" What is your personal explanation of Thomas Young's
double slit interference experiment ,
using a single photon ?
( In which , it interferes with itself ) "
That just shows how the " Photon " is actually a wave
with some properties that we think of as a " Particle " .
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| User: "Erico Di Gelato" |
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19 Dec 2003 04:33:59 PM |
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Pronto, Jeff Relf !
Hello Dr. Hawking ,
Re: My comment , " Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves , with particle-like behavior "
You wrote ,
" That ain't what Einstein's Nobel winning 1916 paper
on the photoelectric effect said "
Right John , Like you would know anything that .
How is your time machine coming along ?
( And what are you going to do with it ? )
You ask ,
" What is your personal explanation of Thomas Young's
double slit interference experiment ,
using a single photon ?
( In which , it interferes with itself ) "
That just shows how the " Photon " is actually a wave
with some properties that we think of as a " Particle " .
Read my words.
Quantum physicists can send a single photon at two double slits.
A single photon that can 'interfere' with itself. But not if one of the
two slits are closed.
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19 Dec 2003 06:04:55 PM |
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"Erico Di Gelato" <italianice@cosanostra.gov> wrote in message
news:7ea302f8b3dbb1f5e5cfe01f36ce8077@news.teranews.com...
Pronto, Jeff Relf !
Hello Dr. Hawking ,
Re: My comment , " Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves , with particle-like behavior "
You wrote ,
" That ain't what Einstein's Nobel winning 1916 paper
on the photoelectric effect said "
Right John , Like you would know anything that .
How is your time machine coming along ?
( And what are you going to do with it ? )
You ask ,
" What is your personal explanation of Thomas Young's
double slit interference experiment ,
using a single photon ?
( In which , it interferes with itself ) "
That just shows how the " Photon " is actually a wave
with some properties that we think of as a " Particle " .
Read my words.
Quantum physicists can send a single photon at two double slits.
A single photon that can 'interfere' with itself. But not if one of the
two slits are closed.
read my words.... only on paper....
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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19 Dec 2003 05:28:38 PM |
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Hello Erico Di Gelato , You wrote ,
" Quantum physicists can send a single photon
at two double slits .
A single photon that can ' interfere ' with itself .
But not if one of the two slits [ ? is observed ] . "
The double slit experiment can be done with atoms .
Even atoms are really just waves that have
" particle-like qualities " .
Does a single atom exist ?
The answer is not as easy as you might think ,
because there's always
a limit to the amount of information that we can collect .
My guess is that the observation of the second slit
destroys part of the wave .
But this is different from the H.U.P. , which is about
the impossibility of ever having complete information .
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_slit_experiment
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20 Dec 2003 12:10:25 AM |
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The photon is the sum of all its qualities.
Conducted at C ,,,the rate energy reacts with energy. Conductted in
the energy under pressure still expanding.
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This pic is fer jeff.
The US GOV has nothing this big that bust ice much less crains that can
pick up 1000 ton ships like toys in a flash.
only 5000 ton ,,hull. wit a 500 ton house on it.
But will load 10,000 tons.
And allmost loaded to the gills with logs so old and so big ,,25 bucks
a B foot... 10 million b feet on ship. 250 million usd load plus 2
planes 16 tanks and one log 4 million years old with dino sound to
sleep inside.
KNOCK KNOCK is the s port open ?
we will be late for xmass ,,make it new years .
reconise the hull ?? It sat in seattle for a few years. cant see red
,,its all under the water line . 30 feet (deap 2 .)
Ill let em all off in seattle ,,,they will go get a cold or flu and I
wount let them come back till they are over it.
estemate 30 days in the port.
we saw the sun today !
its minus 30 deg ,,,no wind.
The load is frozzen together ,,will take time to unload.
Then we go south pacific island hopping .
Maybe HK. down for a tan !
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20 Dec 2003 10:28:16 PM |
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15000 hp , avr for trip.
lost a life boat ..its mount got cold and shaterd.
light bulbs by the dozzen. dishes too.
a few tvs.. 200 beds and 100 tolets and we was down to 20 toylets
....the lines froze some place.
The load is one frozzen mass ,,,I dont know how were going to ever get
it unloaded in 30 days . we did 10 knots threw the strait pack ice.
its like driving on rail road tyes.
or driving threw docks.
sounds like a train off the tracks.
Its a rush just to put ear gear on and lay one hand on the engines at
9- in the ice pack.
no one slept very good.
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Re: . Counting photons . Jeff |
21 Dec 2003 06:26:44 PM |
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Hello T.J. , You wrote ,
" we did 10 knots threw the strait pack ice .
its like driving on rail road tyes "
No need for a vibrating bed then . : )
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20 Dec 2003 08:29:40 AM |
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Hello T.J. , You wrote ,
" I'll let em all off in Seattle .
They will go get a cold or flu
and I won't let them come back till they are over it .
I estimate 30 days in the port . "
Excellent , Let me know if you care to visit .
( You have my e-mail , phone , address , etc. )
You say ,
" We saw the sun today !
It's minus 30 deg ,,, no wind .
The load is frozen together ,, will take time to unload . "
I saw the sun myself the other day
for the first time in many weeks .
During the few days that sun was out in Seattle ,
I was sleeping or otherwise inside .
I'm so white I make Casper the friendly ghost look shady .
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20 Dec 2003 09:03:08 PM |
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yup I do. couldnt mail cash from the gulf ..
dint stop on the way up ,,we wer late .
we got a boat load thow. my god do we have a load. ice breakers ride
funnie loaded .
not much rocking but up and down like crazzy.
we all feal wierd in the sun again .
40 days in the dark was neat but the sun brings back the time of day ad
the body is confused. now evryone wants to sleep all day . It was
exsausting to the max.
one log is 300 tons ! 12 feet by 150 .
and its a willow !
its up on the deck ,,when we dock Im shure yer local paper will have a
pic.
EIR is visible threw the paint even after sandblasted and gell coat ??
is that wierd .
a fraction of a degree is visable .
The log is so cold ..we are our own fog bank.
only a russian crain would work up there.
our 2 american crains are junk now.
russia built the big ones for arctic.
deap 2 . 1000 ton crains.
one american cracked from te cold.
one broke the cable. but the ship ran like a clock. 10 foot thick
ice was like poping zits.
hot water kept the radar going.
heating the hold but in vien .
TROY lost a finger..froze it fucking around .
we had bubbles out side that froze then cracked when the air inside
shrank ..
iit was lke 40 below and troy takes off a glove to push a button and
stuck to it.
he broke te tip off in under 60 seconds.
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. , Let me know . |
21 Dec 2003 07:47:27 AM |
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Hello T.J. ,
I'm looking forward to seeing you .
( I think I'd recognize your ship from a mile away )
By the way , I don't remember seeing the hull in Seattle
before you bought it , but then I don't have
an eye for that kind of thing , you know .
You say , " EIR is visible threw the paint " ,
what is EIR ? Cracks ?
It sounds like you broke your crew ...
As well as your American equipment .
( Why don't you use the Russian Deep 2 , 1,000 ton ? )
40 days with no sun sounds like a blast to me ,
I'm not all that fond of the tropics .
The inside straight , from Tacoma to Juneau ...
That's unbeatable .
Troy's finger stuck to a button
and he snapped it off in 60 seconds ? Not good .
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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21 Dec 2003 11:49:21 PM |
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EIR are big letters sand blasted off when we rebuilt it. In frost I
can see the letters still.
The mothball fleet has buoy tenders and a few ice brakers ,,I got the
big monster that had the nuke removed. it was a russian IB.
But yea ,,,you should see us in 10 days.
allmost clear of the straits.
we have 4 million year old buds off willow trees to plant. one log
has a critter inside 2 feet long and 4 million years old that may yet
live. the oldest wood on the planet is on this ship. the giant log
is a willow ..
weeping willows of the arctic .
one sail boat ,,,2 planes ,,6 tanks.
out of the 1200 ships stuck in ice .
and the emperers gold ...only 500 pounds gem wear. hit by torpedo
in 42 from egipt.
transfer to another ship just to be stuck there ..
the ship neaded its IB escort that got hit and nevr told he other ship
what was in all the crates. Then when they got stuck ,,they drove on
ice to alaska barrow 120 miles.
The ship went with the ice to where it is now.
we found it with sattlite imaging .
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. , Let me know . |
22 Dec 2003 12:57:17 PM |
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Hello T.J. , You wrote ,
" But yea ,,, you should see us in 10 days .
almost clear of the straits "
That's the very start of the new year ... Good timing .
" Only " 500 pounds of gold ? That doesn't sound bad to me .
What's this about you secretly ( and single-handedly )
inventing the GPS system ... and without using SR or GR ? !
It's well known that :
The altitude ( GR )
and the orbiting speed ( SR ) of distant clocks
effects what frequencies scientists will observe .
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