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"Jeff Relf" |
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19 Dec 2003 03:07:56 PM |
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. Counting photons . |
Hello Erico Di Gelato , You ask ,
" Is light a wave or a particle ? "
Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves ,
with particle-like behavior .
And with adding and cancelling ,
it's impossible to say how many photons might be in a peak .
People count the maxima of laser oscillations all the time ,
But no one can count photons .
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19 Dec 2003 10:43:41 PM |
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Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<1u8i6m4zjnskr.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>...
Hello Erico Di Gelato , You ask ,
" Is light a wave or a particle ? "
Photons are definitely waves ,
but they're funky waves ,
with particle-like behavior .
And with adding and cancelling ,
it's impossible to say how many photons might be in a peak .
People count the maxima of laser oscillations all the time ,
But no one can count photons .
Photons are routinely counted individually. It can be done with
modern charge coupled devices, as well as an old fashioned
photographic emulsion. And photons are waves, but not macro-sized
electromagnetic waves. In quantum field theory an individual quantum
is the smallest allowed wave, a unit wave, of the field. It's entirely
possible to arrive at a measurement of how many photons are
represented by a wavelength of a classical EM wave; such a wave is an
accumulation of a large but estimable number of unit waves, the
photons.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: . Counting photons . |
20 Dec 2003 06:13:53 AM |
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Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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[snip]
People count the maxima of laser oscillations all the time ,
No they don't.
But no one can count photons .
I have counted photons.
Franz Heymann
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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20 Dec 2003 07:16:09 AM |
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Hello Franz Heymann , You wrote , " I have counted photons "
Oh really ? !
Then why doesn't the Systeme International ( SI ) ,
use X number of photons as the standard for the Kilogram ?
( Instead of X number of pure silicone atoms )
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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20 Dec 2003 05:03:24 PM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Franz Heymann , You wrote , " I have counted photons "
Oh really ? !
Then why doesn't the Systeme International ( SI ) ,
use X number of photons as the standard for the Kilogram ?
( Instead of X number of pure silicone atoms )
Oh dear. You need to revisit your texts on relativity.
(Silicone makes good breast implants. I have never heard of its use as a
mass standard.
Franz
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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21 Dec 2003 07:58:25 AM |
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Hello Franz Heymann , You wrote ,
" You need to revisit your texts on relativity "
I know you do , but why do you think I need to ?
Photons have inertia .
The problem with using an artifact as a standard is this :
_ You have to clean the dang thing .
_ What if the artifact losses mass ?
How would you even know ?
_ You can't e-mail the standard to anyone .
But the problem with using
a count of photons is even greater :
_ How do you contain them ?
_ How can you count them ?
_ How long does it take to count them ?
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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21 Dec 2003 10:22:52 AM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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[snip the mangled thread without mercy]
If you were to restore the headers and context, I would consider replying to
whom on what topic for what reason, and I might even know why you chose to
address me.
Franz Heymann
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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21 Dec 2003 10:34:09 AM |
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Hello Franz Heymann , You wrote ,
" If you were to [ blah blah blah ]
I would consider replying "
Don't bother Franz ... I don't need your comments .
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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21 Dec 2003 01:16:25 PM |
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Hello Franz Heymann , You wrote ,
" If you were to [ blah blah blah ]
I would consider replying "
Don't bother Franz ... I don't need your comments .
But, we welcome his comments. It's great to have freedom of speech in the
area of science.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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21 Dec 2003 08:51:18 PM |
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Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<kz46ouk5ukwc.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>...
Hello Franz Heymann , You wrote ,
" You need to revisit your texts on relativity "
I know you do , but why do you think I need to ?
You know, Franz happens to be a seasoned, professional physicist,
with years of this under his belt. He's been-there/done-that, and if I
were you, I wouldn't be so presumptious. You just might get your *****
whooped. You may have something resembling an interest in physics, but
you repeatedly and reliably reveal your ignorance. (counting photons,
SiliCONE, etc, etc.) Instead of trying to pretend, you could be
learning the real thing.
-Mark Martin
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22 Dec 2003 01:34:32 PM |
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Hello Mark Martin , You say I ,
" repeatedly and reliably reveal your ignorance "
I hope so . Even Steven Hawking says he makes mistakes .
And I admit to them . ( Hopefully )
That doesn't mean that I have to like Franz Heymann ,
with his schoolmarm attitude .
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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22 Dec 2003 04:38:31 PM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Mark Martin , You say I ,
" repeatedly and reliably reveal your ignorance "
I hope so . Even Steven Hawking says he makes mistakes .
And I admit to them . ( Hopefully )
That doesn't mean that I have to like Franz Heymann ,
with his schoolmarm attitude .
I would be greatly dismayed if you were to claim to like me.
Franz
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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22 Dec 2003 09:27:57 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bs7rp7$4ic$11@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Mark Martin , You say I ,
" repeatedly and reliably reveal your ignorance "
I hope so . Even Steven Hawking says he makes mistakes .
And I admit to them . ( Hopefully )
That doesn't mean that I have to like Franz Heymann ,
with his schoolmarm attitude .
I would be greatly dismayed if you were to claim to like me.
Ah. With exchanges like this, there is hope for the net yet. ;-)
It's ok to invectivize each other, so long as it's done with panache!
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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23 Dec 2003 01:51:12 PM |
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Mark Martin , You say I ,
" repeatedly and reliably reveal your ignorance "
I hope so . Even Steven Hawking says he makes mistakes .
And I admit to them . ( Hopefully )
That doesn't mean that I have to like Franz Heymann ,
with his schoolmarm attitude .
I would be greatly dismayed if you were to claim to like me.
Ah. With exchanges like this, there is hope for the net yet. ;-)
It's ok to invectivize each other, so long as it's done with panache!
And the best wishes of the season to you too, Ed. I'll down two glasses of
Laphroig to both you and Jeff tonight.
Franz
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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23 Dec 2003 03:09:09 PM |
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Hello Franz Heymann , Re: Your Britishness , You wrote ,
" I'll down two glasses of Laphroig
to both you and Jeff tonight "
Not to be too boorish , did you mean Laphroaig ?
From http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jhb/whisky/smws/29.html
" Laphroaig
( Gaelic : ' The beautiful hollow by the broad bay ' )
has its own peat-beds on Islay
and a beautifully-maintained floor maltings
at the distillery .
Its maturation warehouses face directly on to the sea . "
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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24 Dec 2003 12:41:50 PM |
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"Jeff Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Franz Heymann , Re: Your Britishness , You wrote ,
" I'll down two glasses of Laphroig
to both you and Jeff tonight "
Not to be too boorish , did you mean Laphroaig ?
Correcting me does not count as being boorish. I stand corrected.
By the way, I enjoyed those two glasses.
From http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jhb/whisky/smws/29.html
" Laphroaig
( Gaelic : ' The beautiful hollow by the broad bay ' )
has its own peat-beds on Islay
and a beautifully-maintained floor maltings
at the distillery .
Its maturation warehouses face directly on to the sea . "
Yes. Visiting that one and also the Talisker distillery in Skye are
memorable experiences.
Franz
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25 Dec 2003 02:38:37 PM |
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Hello Franz Heymann , Re: My citation ,
From http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jhb/whisky/smws/29.html
" Laphroaig
( Gaelic : ' The beautiful hollow by the broad bay ' )
has its own peat-beds on Islay
and a beautifully-maintained floor maltings
at the distillery .
Its maturation warehouses face directly on to the sea . "
You wrote ,
" Yes . Visiting that one
and also the Talisker distillery in Skye
are memorable experiences "
It sounds wonderful .
Here in Seattle , Were the Rocky mountains hit the sea ,
forming what we call the inside straight ,
a chain of countless islands from Tacoma to Juneau ...
Where strong warm storms approach from the southwest ,
only to be corralled my the mountains ...
Where numerous large ferries from Alaska ,
Canada and Washington , ply their trade ...
Where I played as a child ...
Could anything be more breath taking ?
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27 Dec 2003 06:48:08 AM |
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Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<fgo6vgwlzfma$.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>...
Hello Franz Heymann , Re: My citation ,
From http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jhb/whisky/smws/29.html
" Laphroaig
( Gaelic : ' The beautiful hollow by the broad bay ' )
has its own peat-beds on Islay
and a beautifully-maintained floor maltings
at the distillery .
Its maturation warehouses face directly on to the sea . "
You wrote ,
" Yes . Visiting that one
and also the Talisker distillery in Skye
are memorable experiences "
It sounds wonderful .
Here in Seattle , Were the Rocky mountains hit the sea ,
forming what we call the inside straight ,
a chain of countless islands from Tacoma to Juneau ...
Where strong warm storms approach from the southwest ,
only to be corralled my the mountains ...
Where numerous large ferries from Alaska ,
Canada and Washington , ply their trade ...
Where I played as a child ...
Did you run into tj in his mountain fastness? ;-)
Could anything be more breath taking ?
Sounds beautiful and loch-like -- you bring back memories of the Clyde
estuary.
Obviously a prime environment for whiskey making. Now ... what is the
local equivalent of peat?
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28 Dec 2003 09:35:01 AM |
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"Edward Green" <nulldev00@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
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Hello Franz Heymann , Re: My citation ,
From http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jhb/whisky/smws/29.html
" Laphroaig
( Gaelic : ' The beautiful hollow by the broad bay ' )
has its own peat-beds on Islay
and a beautifully-maintained floor maltings
at the distillery .
Its maturation warehouses face directly on to the sea . "
You wrote ,
" Yes . Visiting that one
and also the Talisker distillery in Skye
are memorable experiences "
It sounds wonderful .
Here in Seattle , Were the Rocky mountains hit the sea ,
forming what we call the inside straight ,
a chain of countless islands from Tacoma to Juneau ...
Where strong warm storms approach from the southwest ,
only to be corralled my the mountains ...
Where numerous large ferries from Alaska ,
Canada and Washington , ply their trade ...
Where I played as a child ...
Did you run into tj in his mountain fastness? ;-)
Could anything be more breath taking ?
Sounds beautiful and loch-like -- you bring back memories of the Clyde
estuary.
Obviously a prime environment for whiskey making. Now ... what is the
local equivalent of peat?
and, I strongly suspect, barley?
Franz
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27 Dec 2003 12:50:30 PM |
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Hello Edward Green ,
Re: The many islands in the sea near Seattle ,
You ask , " what is the local equivalent of peat ? "
No peat , but local tribes here are famous for
cooking their salmon on a stick over an open fire .
( You have to turn it , of course )
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23 Dec 2003 05:45:03 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote...
Hello Franz Heymann , Re: Your Britishness , You wrote ,
" I'll down two glasses of Laphroig
to both you and Jeff tonight "
Not to be too boorish , did you mean Laphroaig ?
Who cares, you pedantic fuckwit?
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23 Dec 2003 05:49:38 PM |
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"Mike" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Relf wrote...
Hello Franz Heymann , Re: Your Britishness , You wrote ,
" I'll down two glasses of Laphroig
to both you and Jeff tonight "
Not to be too boorish , did you mean Laphroaig ?
Who cares, you pedantic fuckwit?
I do. I'd like to know what Laphroig is. I didn't bother asking since I
assumed that nobody else was interested. However that assumption appears to
be invalid.
Pmb
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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24 Dec 2003 12:41:51 PM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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"Mike" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Relf wrote...
Hello Franz Heymann , Re: Your Britishness , You wrote ,
" I'll down two glasses of Laphroig
to both you and Jeff tonight "
Not to be too boorish , did you mean Laphroaig ?
Who cares, you pedantic fuckwit?
I do. I'd like to know what Laphroig is. I didn't bother asking since I
assumed that nobody else was interested. However that assumption appears
to
be invalid.
Laphroaig is the second best whisky in the world. The best is Lagavulin.
Both are Islays. The Lagavulins available to me are all much older than the
Laphroaigs, consequently I can not afford to drink the former as regularly
as I would wish. Enjoying it is an acquired taste, so don't just gulp down
a large mouthful at your first sitting, or you will just commit the heinous
sin of spiting it out.
Franz
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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24 Dec 2003 09:50:35 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bscmlf$ge0$8@sparta.btinternet.com>...
Laphroaig is the second best whisky in the world. The best is Lagavulin.
Both are Islays. The Lagavulins available to me are all much older than the
Laphroaigs, consequently I can not afford to drink the former as regularly
as I would wish. Enjoying it is an acquired taste, so don't just gulp down
a large mouthful at your first sitting, or you will just commit the heinous
sin of spiting it out.
How about a pint of Carlsberg beer? It is, after all, the beer that
made quantum mechanics famous.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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25 Dec 2003 06:16:58 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Laphroaig is the second best whisky in the world. The best is
Lagavulin.
Both are Islays. The Lagavulins available to me are all much older than
the
Laphroaigs, consequently I can not afford to drink the former as
regularly
as I would wish. Enjoying it is an acquired taste, so don't just gulp
down
a large mouthful at your first sitting, or you will just commit the
heinous
sin of spiting it out.
How about a pint of Carlsberg beer? It is, after all, the beer that
made quantum mechanics famous.
Too true.
Almost analogous with Joule's bitter (now alas no longer being brewed),
which financed a lot of experimental progress in the understanding of the
relationships between mechanics and heat.
I don't drink much wine in the normal course of events. My preferred
mealtime drink(s) is half a pint of Carlsberg washed down with a sip of
whisky. (Not a single malt!)
Franz
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25 Dec 2003 10:25:24 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bsekfp$8nv$4@hercules.btinternet.com>...
How about a pint of Carlsberg beer? It is, after all, the beer that
made quantum mechanics famous.
Too true.
Almost analogous with Joule's bitter (now alas no longer being brewed),
which financed a lot of experimental progress in the understanding of the
relationships between mechanics and heat.
I don't drink much wine in the normal course of events. My preferred
mealtime drink(s) is half a pint of Carlsberg washed down with a sip of
whisky. (Not a single malt!)
Franz
For your amusement, a letter I received years ago from Heinz Pagels:
http://www.geocities.com/themarkmartinshow/images/letter.jpg
:)
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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26 Dec 2003 03:57:05 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<bsekfp$8nv$4@hercules.btinternet.com>...
How about a pint of Carlsberg beer? It is, after all, the beer that
made quantum mechanics famous.
Too true.
Almost analogous with Joule's bitter (now alas no longer being brewed),
which financed a lot of experimental progress in the understanding of
the
relationships between mechanics and heat.
I don't drink much wine in the normal course of events. My preferred
mealtime drink(s) is half a pint of Carlsberg washed down with a sip of
whisky. (Not a single malt!)
For your amusement, a letter I received years ago from Heinz Pagels:
http://www.geocities.com/themarkmartinshow/images/letter.jpg
:)
Interesting! I live in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere in one of
the remoter parts of the Yorkshire Dales, and my local village shop supplies
me with my requirements by way of Carlsberg beer. I drink it both because
it is an excellent lager, and also out of loyalty to my Danish colleagues.
Franz
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| User: "the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz" |
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25 Dec 2003 09:48:49 AM |
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Mark Martin wrote:
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bscmlf$ge0$8@sparta.btinternet.com>...
Laphroaig is the second best whisky in the world. The best is Lagavulin.
Both are Islays. The Lagavulins available to me are all much older than the
Laphroaigs, consequently I can not afford to drink the former as regularly
as I would wish. Enjoying it is an acquired taste, so don't just gulp down
a large mouthful at your first sitting, or you will just commit the heinous
sin of spiting it out.
How about a pint of Carlsberg beer? It is, after all, the beer that
made quantum mechanics famous.
Hah! That's child's play! Drink four pints of Palm and you _understand_
quantum mechanics.
It wears off though...
--
the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble mind."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
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25 Dec 2003 11:47:36 PM |
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the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz <itsfortytwo@dumbo.org> wrote in message news:<bsf12h$o6q$8@news.worldonline.be>...
Hah! That's child's play! Drink four pints of Palm and you _understand_
quantum mechanics.
It wears off though...
Heh! Sounds like Spock's Brain: "Well, I knew how to transplant a
brain five minutes ago, but I've slept since then."
-Mark Martin
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24 Dec 2003 10:23:18 PM |
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Mo Jo please ..in a trump glass.
Pot would be leagal if not for nylon .
canada sweeden italy spain SOON UK ..
its a matter of time.
The old brain washed dickheads will die off but the PIGS will allways
want thier easy money.
Its funnie if you talk about pot the old dickheads will talk about
drugs crack and evrything but the facts .
I wounder if nylon still pays the dickheads to say stupid ***** ?
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25 Dec 2003 05:28:36 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bscmlf$ge0$8@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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"Mike" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Relf wrote...
Hello Franz Heymann , Re: Your Britishness , You wrote ,
" I'll down two glasses of Laphroig
to both you and Jeff tonight "
Not to be too boorish , did you mean Laphroaig ?
Who cares, you pedantic fuckwit?
I do. I'd like to know what Laphroig is. I didn't bother asking since I
assumed that nobody else was interested. However that assumption appears
to
be invalid.
Laphroaig is the second best whisky in the world. The best is Lagavulin.
Bah! I can no longer agree with you about anything then, and we must
instantly cease all communication! I've had both: Lafroaig is better!
Lagavluin is weak willed wilt water for whiskey whoosies!
Both are Islays. The Lagavulins available to me are all much older than the
Laphroaigs, consequently I can not afford to drink the former as regularly
as I would wish. Enjoying it is an acquired taste, so don't just gulp down
a large mouthful at your first sitting, or you will just commit the heinous
sin of spiting it out.
Well, I suppose then I _might_ charitably suppose the Langavulin
you've tasted is different than that I've tasted, and hence that your
taste structure is not hideously flawed and unnatural.
BTW, I've had both the old Laphroiag and the younger, and I certainly
don't think the older is worth the extra money, and I might even
prefer the younger at any price: has more bite. Smoothness isn't
everything, the way the fools who pay $150/bottle for "Johnny Walker
Blue Label" seem to think.
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