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"Darkwing Duck theducksmailATyahoo.com" |
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30 Jan 2005 06:49:37 PM |
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***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like over unity.
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: ***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
30 Jan 2005 06:57:09 PM |
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"Darkwing Duck" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10vr05d3u73b10b@news.supernews.com...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like over unity.
Fusion. It's "burning" mass to produce energy. Remember,
E = m*c^2.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
31 Jan 2005 03:38:07 AM |
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In article <InfLd.1704$Ck1.322847@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> writes:
"Darkwing Duck" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10vr05d3u73b10b@news.supernews.com...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like over unity.
Fusion. It's "burning" mass to produce energy. Remember,
E = m*c^2.
Nope, nothing is burning mass to produce energy.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: ***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
31 Jan 2005 07:00:21 AM |
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<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:30nLd.1$25.1857@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <InfLd.1704$Ck1.322847@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Greg Neill"
<gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> writes:
"Darkwing Duck" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10vr05d3u73b10b@news.supernews.com...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like over unity.
Fusion. It's "burning" mass to produce energy. Remember,
E = m*c^2.
Nope, nothing is burning mass to produce energy.
The "burning" was in quotes for a reason. The fusion
products mass less than the starting material. The
mass difference shows up as energy.
Granted, the mass that's converted comes from nuclear
binding energy, but it still shows up as rest mass
when the stuff is massed.
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: ***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
31 Jan 2005 08:32:26 AM |
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"Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:JZpLd.2505$Ck1.498621@news20.bellglobal.com...
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
news:30nLd.1$25.1857@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <InfLd.1704$Ck1.322847@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Greg
Neill"
<gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> writes:
"Darkwing Duck" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10vr05d3u73b10b@news.supernews.com...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like
over unity.
Fusion. It's "burning" mass to produce energy. Remember,
E = m*c^2.
Nope, nothing is burning mass to produce energy.
The "burning" was in quotes for a reason. The fusion
products mass less than the starting material. The
mass difference shows up as energy.
Granted, the mass that's converted comes from nuclear
binding energy, but it still shows up as rest mass
when the stuff is massed.
Binding energy is negative energy
Franz
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: ***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
31 Jan 2005 10:17:03 AM |
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Binding energy is a ballance of fall and orbit ans waveinteractions.
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| User: "" |
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31 Jan 2005 02:37:34 PM |
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In article <JZpLd.2505$Ck1.498621@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> writes:
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:30nLd.1$25.1857@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <InfLd.1704$Ck1.322847@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Greg Neill"
<gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> writes:
"Darkwing Duck" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10vr05d3u73b10b@news.supernews.com...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like over unity.
Fusion. It's "burning" mass to produce energy. Remember,
E = m*c^2.
Nope, nothing is burning mass to produce energy.
The "burning" was in quotes for a reason. The fusion
products mass less than the starting material. The
mass difference shows up as energy.
Granted, the mass that's converted comes from nuclear
binding energy, but it still shows up as rest mass
when the stuff is massed.
Well, the point (often missed) is that the mass after the reaction is
the same as before. The mass of the stuff *left* after energy was
transferred tot he surroundings is less. The loss of mass is not the
*cause* of generation of transferable energy but its *effect*.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: ***** FROM POPSCI??????? |
30 Jan 2005 07:44:37 PM |
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Darkwing Duck wrote:
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,20967,1021090,00.html
How would this create more power output then input? Sounds like over unity.
1) It is a controlled fusion reactor. In principle it can convert
0.1% of rest mass to energy.
2) It is a crock of *****. All "civilian" fusion research is
refinement of hydrodynamic bomb codes. If ITER worked exactly to spec
a power plant could not possibly be built from its core.
Look at the goodies: An MeV plasma (gigawatt thermal) belching 10 MeV
neutrons is physically snuggled into huge superconductor windings.
Megacuries of tritium being handled and plumbed - with the usual real
and virtual hydrogen leaks. No way to efficiently couple particle
energy to steam for a generator turbine. Everything in the reactor
neutron irradiated into glowing radioactivity. A whole dormatory of
PhDs sweating it out moment to moment. Yeah, that's gonna work.
Hey git - your CRT computer monitor weighs an extra 10 lbs from active
compensating coils given Enviro-whiner concerns about nanotesla stray
magnetic fields Officially transforming you into an oozing
putrescence. Do you wanna work next to ITER whose fields will ruin
every Boy Scout compass in the neighborhood? (No problem!
superconducting Enviro-whiner compensation coils... and your power
bill can cover the tab.)
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: ***** takes gravity to play star |
30 Jan 2005 07:32:54 PM |
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You cant smash two ions together.
You cant smash two photons or two electrons together.
Plazma is not what drives the sun.
I can belive they will send 6 bil but they wount heat tea.
then they cant reach the heat without a nuke because a laser wount
heat plazma .
a nuke reaction is out of the uqestion.
THEY LACK the GRAVITY to play STAR.
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