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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "galathaea"
Date: 12 Nov 2006 07:52:31 PM
Object: $$ logic wars $ welcome to it $$
i decided to start a war
welcome to it
it was a preemptive thing
i needed to start the war
before someone else did
i hope you'll understand
i'm american
-+-+-
i do not want this war to harm anyone
so please plonk me as the obvious
troll or crank or
any other label that your newsreader can filter
i will be attacking beliefs
-+-
warring factions rely on freedom of speech
so where this is no longer supported
we automatically become an oppressed minority
and thus qualify for self-pity
-+-+-
this is the belief i am specifically attacking:
FUNDAMENTALISM
in all realms of thought
humanity has this great confidence
because we have accomplished "so much more"
so much more than any other animal encountered
no
so much more than any other lifeform encountered
just
so much more
we are winners
the leap of belief
occurs when something that is favored likely
becomes something unquestionably true
when other
more symbolically relevant data
may indicate the belief more unlikely
strange dynamics form
it is my belief that these dynamics can be harmful
so this is a war
like the war on plaque
a doctor's war
and thus neverending
corporations related to the war
will thus benefit both greatly and indefinitely
-+-+-+-
if you have not yet seen the advertisements
my faction
(the political "we" that follows)
has a political action wing
we call ourselves the antiamerican party
we consider ourselves the true americans
and thus are liars
that makes us great businessmen
-+-
we intend to replace the republican party
well actually we intend
also to replace the democratic party
but we must have priorities here
-+-+-
we call ourselves anarchists
because we accept that
often deconstructing power structures
is healthier than constructing them
fundamentalism builds power structures
whether in militarism
or nationalism
or religion
we are not for a "righteous" or "truthful" america
we are for a healthy america
and we know that there are measurable harms
that require governmental structure
we are more interested in actually helping
than being consistent
and so calling ourselves anarchists
is just another lie
-+-
this is my first usenet war
so forgive the newbie
but i expect the war will last
as long as free speech lasts
which at the current pace may give us 2 or 3
entertaining years
unless we win
-+-
our political action wing
expects about 29% of the population
to switch immediately
mistaking the antiamerican party
as actually antiamerican
we have not yet determined
though
which population
-+-+-
i will be launching ontological attacks
for as long as my manias
stay away from depressions
and i just wanted to let you know what was going on
-
i wish you a great week ahead
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
.

User: "Ed"

Title: Re: $$ logic wars $ welcome to it $$ 12 Nov 2006 10:31:48 PM
I'm ready for a war where no one is harmed.
I have beliefs.
I believe in the utility of mathematics.
I believe that logic, formal or general can be useful but observation
trumps it.
I believe in a lot of things now that I think about it, fire away!
Ed
galathaea wrote:

i decided to start a war

welcome to it

it was a preemptive thing

i needed to start the war
before someone else did

i hope you'll understand
i'm american

-+-+-

i do not want this war to harm anyone
so please plonk me as the obvious
troll or crank or
any other label that your newsreader can filter

i will be attacking beliefs

-+-

warring factions rely on freedom of speech
so where this is no longer supported
we automatically become an oppressed minority
and thus qualify for self-pity

-+-+-

this is the belief i am specifically attacking:

FUNDAMENTALISM

in all realms of thought

humanity has this great confidence
because we have accomplished "so much more"

so much more than any other animal encountered
no
so much more than any other lifeform encountered
just
so much more

we are winners

the leap of belief
occurs when something that is favored likely
becomes something unquestionably true

when other
more symbolically relevant data
may indicate the belief more unlikely

strange dynamics form

it is my belief that these dynamics can be harmful
so this is a war
like the war on plaque

a doctor's war
and thus neverending

corporations related to the war
will thus benefit both greatly and indefinitely

-+-+-+-

if you have not yet seen the advertisements

my faction
(the political "we" that follows)
has a political action wing

we call ourselves the antiamerican party

we consider ourselves the true americans
and thus are liars

that makes us great businessmen

-+-

we intend to replace the republican party

well actually we intend
also to replace the democratic party
but we must have priorities here

-+-+-

we call ourselves anarchists
because we accept that
often deconstructing power structures
is healthier than constructing them

fundamentalism builds power structures

whether in militarism
or nationalism
or religion

we are not for a "righteous" or "truthful" america

we are for a healthy america
and we know that there are measurable harms
that require governmental structure

we are more interested in actually helping
than being consistent

and so calling ourselves anarchists
is just another lie

-+-

this is my first usenet war
so forgive the newbie
but i expect the war will last
as long as free speech lasts

which at the current pace may give us 2 or 3
entertaining years

unless we win

-+-

our political action wing

expects about 29% of the population
to switch immediately
mistaking the antiamerican party
as actually antiamerican

we have not yet determined
though
which population

-+-+-

i will be launching ontological attacks
for as long as my manias
stay away from depressions

and i just wanted to let you know what was going on

-

i wish you a great week ahead

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar

.

User: "Hero"

Title: Re: $$ logic wars $ welcome to it $$ 13 Nov 2006 06:00:57 PM
galathaea schrieb:

i decided to start a war

welcome to it

it was a preemptive thing

i needed to start the war
before someone else did

i hope you'll understand
i'm american

-+-+-

i do not want this war to harm anyone
so please plonk me as the obvious
troll or crank or
any other label that your newsreader can filter

i will be attacking beliefs

-+-

In another $ logic war$ thread galathaea wrote:

war is ugly and harsh
but i have started it
and am battle-ready
kropotkin once said:
" In common with most socialists,
the anarchists recognise that,
like all evolution in nature,
the slow evolution of society is followed
from time to time
by periods of accelerated evolution
which are called revolutions;

and they think the era of revolutions
is not yet closed.

Periods of rapid changes
will follow the periods of slow evolution,
and these periods must be taken advantage of
- not for increasing and widening
the powers of the State,
but for reducing them... "

the authoritarianism and fundamentalism
latent in the excluded middle

must end

Kropotkin talks about a strict monton growing function (evolution),
with the first derivate having intervalls of small values and big
values, he can do - but calling the function in this last intervall a
,,revolution", that is definitely a misnomer. A combination of
evolution and revolution is a helix or it is a wheel (sphere), with an
advancing center.
Evolution of society from so called primitives to us is not a law, it
is what people do - and all what i saw of the last century was more
of a social de-evolution.
With friendly greetings
Hero
.


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