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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Henry"
Date: 17 May 2007 09:43:40 AM
Object: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !!
The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.

User: "Andrew"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 12:57:23 PM
"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
news:464C6A1C.69037AA4@insidejob.gov...



All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.

I'd believe it more if it was Indiana Jones instead of the debunked and
fired ex-BYU professor that is fixated on the event.
--
Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Infant
.
User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:16:38 PM
Andrew wrote:

"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
news:464C6A1C.69037AA4@insidejob.gov...

All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.

I'd believe it more if it was Indiana Jones instead of the debunked and
fired ex-BYU professor that is fixated on the event.

Dr. Jones' research hasn't been debunked, nor was he
fired. It seems almost every claim spewed by Bush
parroting magic fire conspiracy kooks is a lie.
<link restored>

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.


User: "David"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 12:40:00 PM
"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
news:464C6A1C.69037AA4@insidejob.gov...


The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf

All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.


--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on the
same morning.
.
User: "Andrew"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 02:30:42 PM

I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on the
same morning.

Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.
Damn! Henry just may be on to something.
.
User: "proehling"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 03:24:51 PM
"Andrew" <detrafi@gmail.com> wrote

Damn! Henry just may be on to something.

Yes.
Thorazine.
.
User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:22:30 PM
p "I"m not psychotic at all" roehling wrote:

"Andrew" <detrafi@gmail.com> wrote

Damn! Henry just may be on to something.

Yes.
Thorazine.

Petie, when you hide and cower behind your killfile and
spew blatant, stupid lies you only make yourself appear
more psychotic and obsessed, and you discredit you magic
fire/Super Arab kook theory. Someday, just for a challenge,
you should try to be honest and show some self respect and
integrity.
P. "I'm not psychotic at all" Roehling obsessed:

But after literally hundreds of Hen3ry's posts

You can't find =one= that supports your accusation.
Reason being, of course, is that you are a psychotically
obsessed lying sack of *****. I love it when a critic
exposes himself as a liar, a coward, and a delusional
nut case. <vbg>
P. "I'm not psychotic at all" Roehling wrote:

Hen3ry has stated in the past that it's obvious that
the Pentagon was hit with a cruise missile, and not an
airliner.

Petie, your crippling obsession and your psychosis are
worsening. I said no such thing. I don't know what hit the
Pentagon, and I don't dwell on it because unlike the demolition
of WTC7 and the towers, the evidence is inconclusive. I've said
that before.
On the outside chance that you're not a psychotic lying sack of
*****, and I don't remember what I wrote, you'd be able to produce
a post where I claim a cruise missile hit the Pentagon. Tell ya
what, Petie - you quote a post where I say what you claim I said,
and I won't write another political or 9-11 related post to rec.
motorcycles for at least a year - and I'll apologize for wrongly
insulting your admirable character!
But of course, you won't find that post, and you probably lack
the honesty, integrity, and self respect to admit your mistake.
So, I expect you'll just slither away in shame and disgrace....
As predicted.... <vbg>
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.


User: "David"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 06:45:25 PM
"Andrew" <detrafi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f2iag8$1p1$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...

I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on
the same morning.



Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.

Damn! Henry just may be on to something.

Hey, I knew that!




.
User: "malibu"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 07:32:28 PM
On May 17, 5:45 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

"Andrew" <detr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f2iag8$1p1$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...

I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on
the same morning.


Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.


Damn! Henry just may be on to something.


Hey, I knew that!


Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.
Sounds like science to me.
You guys try to ignore science these days?
John
.
User: "David"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 08:40:44 PM
"malibu" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:1179448348.266658.224920@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On May 17, 5:45 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

"Andrew" <detr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f2iag8$1p1$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...

I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how
they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on
the same morning.


Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized,
brilliant,
and well led.


Damn! Henry just may be on to something.


Hey, I knew that!



Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.

Sounds like science to me.
You guys try to ignore science these days?

So Atta was part of the conspiracy?


John

.
User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:33:26 PM
David wrote:

So Atta was part of the conspiracy?

His magic, fire proof passport was part of the Bush
regime's cartoon conspiracy theory. It's really amazing
that any sane person would believe the Bush regime's
impossible and comical lies at this point. Perhaps none
do. <chuckle>
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/evidence/welfarestate_hijackers.html
I see that you've not been able to challenge any of Dr. Jone's
findings, either. <link restored>
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.


User: "Rob Kleinschmidt"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 09:06:59 PM
On May 17, 5:32 pm, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

On May 17, 5:45 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:



"Andrew" <detr...@gmail.com> wrote in message


news:f2iag8$1p1$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on
the same morning.


Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.


Damn! Henry just may be on to something.


Hey, I knew that!


Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.

I'd love to see a cite re '5% microspheroids'.
Googling doesn't produce much. The USGS assay
seems to think the metals are pretty ordinary instances
of iron, aluminum, magnesium etc. They mention
ferrous and ferric compounds and attribute them
to rust and compounds found in ordinary concrete.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/feats-1um.html

Sounds like science to me.
You guys try to ignore science these days?

Not at all. Lets hear where you got the " microspheroids"
stuff and the percentage.
What percentage of the dust was metalic and not "microspheroids" ?
Were the Al, Ti, Pb, Bi, Mo, Zr, Sn, and Cu also microspheroidal ?
.
User: "malibu"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 11:17:23 PM
On May 17, 8:06 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 17, 5:32 pm, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:



On May 17, 5:45 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:


"Andrew" <detr...@gmail.com> wrote in message


news:f2iag8$1p1$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on
the same morning.


Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.


Damn! Henry just may be on to something.


Hey, I knew that!


Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.


I'd love to see a cite re '5% microspheroids'.

Googling doesn't produce much. The USGS assay
seems to think the metals are pretty ordinary instances
of iron, aluminum, magnesium etc. They mention
ferrous and ferric compounds and attribute them
to rust and compounds found in ordinary concrete.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/feats-1um.html

Sounds like science to me.
You guys try to ignore science these days?


Not at all. Lets hear where you got the " microspheroids"
stuff and the percentage.

What percentage of the dust was metalic and not "microspheroids" ?
Were the Al, Ti, Pb, Bi, Mo, Zr, Sn, and Cu also microspheroidal ?

Read the original link.
It's right there.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
John
.
User: "Rob Kleinschmidt"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 19 May 2007 10:50:01 PM
On May 17, 8:17 pm, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

On May 17, 8:06 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:





On May 17, 5:32 pm, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:


On May 17, 5:45 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:


"Andrew" <detr...@gmail.com> wrote in message


news:f2iag8$1p1$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on
the same morning.


Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.


Damn! Henry just may be on to something.


Hey, I knew that!


Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.


I'd love to see a cite re '5% microspheroids'.


Googling doesn't produce much. The USGS assay
seems to think the metals are pretty ordinary instances
of iron, aluminum, magnesium etc. They mention
ferrous and ferric compounds and attribute them
to rust and compounds found in ordinary concrete.


http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/feats-1um.html


Sounds like science to me.
You guys try to ignore science these days?


Not at all. Lets hear where you got the " microspheroids"
stuff and the percentage.


What percentage of the dust was metalic and not "microspheroids" ?
Were the Al, Ti, Pb, Bi, Mo, Zr, Sn, and Cu also microspheroidal ?


Read the original link.
It's right there.http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod...

OK, so this is based on one sample provided separately
to Jones, and has no relation at all to the USGS survey.
Given that, I fail to see how you or Jones arrive at an assertion
that the WTC dust consisted of 5% iron microspheroids.
Jones is apparantly the only one in possession of any
microspheroids. Feel free to assert that the USGS
is brainwashed and/or a tool of the lying treasonous
Bush regime.
Jones's thermite/thermate scenarios are exceedingly foolish,
in that he's never managed to demonstrate a horizontal thermite
cut and he assumes all kinds of different properties
where it's sometimes explosive and sometimes long burning.
Nearly as I can make out, grants for initial research
on nano-thermites were first handed out in 2002,
almost a year after WTC.
Also, demolition scenarios which assume the concrete
floors were pulverized by explosives completely ignore
the fact that the floors are not supporting elements in
the tower, hence there would be no point in wasting
explosive to blow them up.
Believe what you want. I dislike Bush intensely but have
seen no plausible demolition scenario.
If you really wanted a long lasting plausible conspiracy
theory, why not just assume that Bush knew and covertly
assisted a plot to fly planes into the buildings ? Kinda
like "Roosevelt must have known about Pearl Harbor".
I don't believe this myself, but it at least survives an initial
test by Occam's razor. Thermite, ray gun and nuclear
demolition scenarios fail this test miserably.
.
User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 22 May 2007 07:22:32 PM
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

Jones's thermite/thermate scenarios are exceedingly foolish,
in that he's never managed to demonstrate a horizontal thermite
cut and he assumes all kinds of different properties
where it's sometimes explosive and sometimes long burning.


You're wronmg on all counts. There is a device that uses thermite
to cut horizontally, and therrmate is explosive.

Nearly as I can make out, grants for initial research
on nano-thermites were first handed out in 2002,
almost a year after WTC.

Wrong. You're ignorant of the facts. You should do some
research first, then post your opinions.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
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by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
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authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
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human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 200 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent EACH DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf Hitler
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
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(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)
George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.



User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:34:54 PM
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

On May 17, 5:32 pm, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.

The USGS assay
seems to think the metals are pretty ordinary instances
of iron, aluminum, magnesium etc. They mention
ferrous and ferric compounds and attribute them
to rust and compounds found in ordinary concrete.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/feats-1um.html

They don't quite explain what caused these sphere's to have
been previously molten or why they're an almost perfect match
for thermate, do they? They don't explain the molten metal flowing
like lava deep in the rubble, either.
Also, a while back you mumbled something about Dr. Jones' being
discredited by his work on cold fusion research. What exactly are
you referring to? His paper shows that his research has held
up to peer review and scrutiny.
Also, look at the drawing and photo on page 13.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
Then tell us why you think that falling directly through the massive
undamaged hurricane and earth quake resistant steel frame of the
tower produced no more kinetic friction that falling through air.
The belief that air and steel share similar physical properties is
one of the most idiotic concepts of your magic fire/Super Arab
conspiracy theory, and not one of the you kooks can even begin to
explain it. Like all the rest of the hard evidence proving demolition,
and complicity, you desperately try to avoid or deny it.
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.
User: "EatMe"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 19 May 2007 08:20:30 PM
On May 18, 7:34 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:

and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of Henry's hot air.
And the only way these things form is if Henry engaged his anal sphincter

And this is surprising exactly why, chowderhead?

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close left testacle did to henry's brain

...
And yet you STILL! STILL!!!! ignore the plight of the Jews sunk to
the bottom of the Atlantic almost 100 years ago!!
You are so pathetic and shallow.
Such a being of limited dimension.
You are a sad flower of humanity.
God weeps when he looks at such as you...trapped in an endless loop of
braindead conspiracy whacko navel gazing.
.
User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 22 May 2007 07:17:02 PM
EatMe wrote:

braindead conspiracy whacko

I see you haven't been able to refute or address any of the facts
and science in Dr. Jone's paper, either. No surprise there. <chuckle>

The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.
--
http://911research.wtc7.net/
http://www.st911.org
http://www.911proof.com/
"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
***** Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
- Manuel Valenzuela
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incomptence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 200 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent EACH DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf Hitler
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)
George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.




User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:27:54 PM
malibu wrote:

Dust was 5% microspheroids of metals;
iron, aluminum;
and these spheroids will have trapped plenty
of evidence.
And the only way these things form is if
LOTS and LOTS of metal was heated up
very quickly and literally SPLASHED into the air.
Cool.
Sounds like science to me.
You guys try to ignore science these days?
John

They have to. If they studied and understood the hard evidence,
they'd have to face the truth, which would destroy their faith
in their "leaders".
It seems that some U.S. citizens view government the same way
children view their parents. They believe their government is all
knowing and can do no wrong, and there is no reason to challenge
or question anything their government says or does. If they did
learn that their parent was truly corrupt and evil, their entire
world would collapse around them, so they choose to live a life of
deception and delusion.
Also, Dr. Jones' paper, although strong proof of demolition,
is only a small part of the proof. The magic fire/Super Arab
conspiracy kooks are forced to ignore or deny so much hard
evidence and accept so many comical, blatant lies, that their
sanity comes into question.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.



User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:21:41 PM
Andrew wrote:

Don't forget that the government intentionally screwed up the Katrina
response to cover up the fact that they are so well organized, brilliant,
and well led.

I see you aren't challenging any of the facts in Dr.
Jone's paper, either. It's very well researched.
<link restored>
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.


User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:15:11 PM
David wrote:

"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message

The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.


--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on the
same morning.

Well, there's no proof that the planes were hijacked, and
what little there may have been was deliberately destroyed.
Also, at least five of the alleged hijackers are alive and
well. Also, we know for a fact that the person accused of
flying the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon could not
have been flying it.
This is a great website for finding solid 9-11 related
info. The search function is handy.
http://911research.wtc7.net
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.
User: "Mongolai"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 19 May 2007 02:46:23 AM
"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
news:464E418F.68639765@insidejob.gov...

David wrote:

"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message


The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.



http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf


All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.


--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on

the

same morning.


Well, there's no proof that the planes were hijacked, and
what little there may have been was deliberately destroyed.
Also, at least five of the alleged hijackers are alive and
well. Also, we know for a fact that the person accused of
flying the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon could not
have been flying it.

This is a great website for finding solid 9-11 related
info. The search function is handy.

http://911research.wtc7.net

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

I just gotta ask. Do you really believe all the ***** you read about online?!
Seriously?!
....Not like I want to take your tinfoil-hat away...
.
User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 22 May 2007 08:33:49 AM
Mongolai wrote:

"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message

David wrote:

"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message

The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.



http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf


All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.


--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on

the

same morning.


Well, there's no proof that the planes were hijacked, and
what little there may have been was deliberately destroyed.
Also, at least five of the alleged hijackers are alive and
well. Also, we know for a fact that the person accused of
flying the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon could not
have been flying it.

This is a great website for finding solid 9-11 related
info. The search function is handy.

http://911research.wtc7.net

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

tinfoil-hat

Awesome "rebutal", kooker. Mom helped you with that,
didn't she? <chuckle>
--
http://911research.wtc7.net/
http://www.st911.org
http://www.911proof.com/
"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
***** Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
- Manuel Valenzuela
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incomptence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 200 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent EACH DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf Hitler
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)
George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
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User: ""

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 08:33:06 PM
It was obviously done by remote electronic brain control, as many of
the crackpot posters believe.
No other explanation is possible, given the conspiratorial theories.
Harry C.
On May 17, 1:40 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

"Henry" <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote in message

news:464C6A1C.69037AA4@insidejob.gov...







The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.


http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod...


All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.


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http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org


Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21


"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on the
same morning.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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User: "Keith Schiffner"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 10:58:20 PM
<hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It was obviously done by remote electronic brain control, as many of
the crackpot posters believe.
No other explanation is possible, given the conspiratorial theories.

Harry C.

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User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:35:34 PM
Keith Schiffner wrote:

DUH! foil hat

Magic fire conspiracy kooks sure do an amazing job of
addressing the specific facts, details, and hard evidence
of the 9-11 demolitions, don't they? You never see 'em
get stupid, mindlessly rant about time travel, their tin foil
hats, their pet moonbats, farm animals, ninja hit squads,
disdisinformation agents, glass coffee tables, beer cans,
"attack" the messengers, or avoid the tough questions.
<chuckle>
Look at the height of WTC7:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proved by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
More expert analysis on the demolition of WTC7 can be found here:
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html
This is what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging
infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
As you can see, these steel framed structures suffered gradual
deformation, but nothing even remotely close to a total symmetric
and free fall speed collapse - and those fires were far hotter
and of much longer duration than the small, isolated fires in
WTC7.
Twin Towers:
The massive reserve strength designed into the steel frames of
the towers could not possibly have been overcome by the force
of gravity alone. The fact that it was exceeded to such an
extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame offered no
measurable resistance, proves conclusively that the lower
structures were destroyed before being impacted by the upper
structures.
From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved through
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
excellent paper on momentum transfer on this page:
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
The official conspiracy requires us to believe that falling
directly =through= the massive undamaged steel frames, including
the 47 interconnected central core columns:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proved by
the fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground
about the same time as the debris falling through the towers.
Making the government's conspiracy theory even more implausible,
is the fact that the steel at the top of the towers was over
ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged steel in the
lower section. Look at the massive core column cross section in
the bottom photo.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
The official conspiracy theory says that crushing 47 of those
columns, all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying
all the perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, and
stairways, produced about the same kinetic friction as falling
though air. That, of course, is not physically possible.
Observe the rotating and disintegrating block on the South
Tower.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp4.html
Notice that the corners are curved, as the block's internal
destruction is already taking place. If it had not been destroyed
through demolition, it would have continued to rotate and fall off
the building as an intact block. Also, notice that the block is
tilting towards the corner where it was impacted. The opposite
corner was undamaged by impact or fire, as proved by photo
evidence.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp1.html
As the top section of that tower is rotating, the high strength,
fire resistant perimeter columns on one side of the building are
being compressed, and on the opposite side, where the building
was not damaged by fire or impact, the weight above them is greatly
rediced.
Why do you think the undamaged steel perimeter frame with reduced
weight above it is exploding and collapsing at the same rate as
the fire and impact damaged side that has most of the weight of the
rotating block on it? Seems more than a little odd, doesn't it? Here's
some information on the perimeter columns.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html
Now watch the video titled, "Close-up of South Tower collapse
on this page:
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#videos
That is not gradual bending and buckling of an over heated steel
frame. The are huge explosions not unlike those we see in a
controlled demolition. Keep in mind that this is at the onset
of the collapse, so nothing is falling quickly at this point.
More good information on 9-11 can be found here:
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.


User: "Henry"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 18 May 2007 07:31:32 PM
wrote:

It was obviously done by remote electronic brain control, as many of
the crackpot posters believe.

You're "thinking" of Osama using his magical powers
to shut down NORAD during a multiple hijacking crisis
over the most secure air space on the planet. In kookworld,
apparently, cave men have amazing powers. <chuckle>
<link to irrefutable scienece proving demoliton restored?
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.


User: "Bill Snyder"

Title: Re: !! New scientific analysis proves WTC Demolition !! 17 May 2007 12:50:21 PM
On Fri, 18 May 2007 03:40:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Henry" <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote in message
news:464C6A1C.69037AA4@insidejob.gov...


The free fall speed of the collapses, the near perfect symmetry,
the multiple, synchronized explosions, and the flowing, molten
metal observed deep in the rubble of all three WTC demolition sites
is all the proof a clear thinking person needs to conclude that the
towers ans WTC7 were demolished, but here is still more conclusive
proof for the severely brainwashed, and those who have difficulty
grasping basic concepts involving physics, mechanics, and logic.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf

All comments are welcome, whether they are the hysterical,
nonsensical, knee jerk rants of magic fire conspiracy kooks,
or the thoughtful observations of reasonable people based
on the findings in Dr. Jones' paper.


--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm


I can understand this theory and that the administration planned and
executed the destruction of the towers. But I can't figure out how they
engineered to have 19 Saudis hijack the 4 airlines simultaneously on the
same morning.

Obviously they kidnapped and murdered the real Saudis, replacing them
with their own suicide squads. Real stroke of luck for them that