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01 Sep 2005 09:17:15 PM |
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***** OUR GOD DAM GOV letting the poor starve |
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| User: "Lefty" |
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01 Sep 2005 11:27:06 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27634-4317B62B-75@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
It's very easy to say that.
But I'd hate to be a cop down there, roving bands of thugs etc etc -
It amazes me that a whole city can simply be swallowed up by nature, and I
wonder if New Orleans will ever be a city again. Maybe it will remain a
ghost town. Weird.
Much of the reason for the apathy for these folks is the fact that we are an
extremely class based society. Most of these people are poor, old, felons or
others who are considered "untouchables" in our culture. We would spend more
money to pull a kitten from a well in Sri Lanka, or rescue a pet goat from
the mud pits of Madegascar.
All you can do is be thankful that it aint you - and if you are ever in that
position the thing to do is to act right and not shoot at helicopters with
guns stolen from Walmart.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: ***** OUR GOD DAM GOV letting the poor starve |
01 Sep 2005 10:08:17 PM |
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And speeking of fellons . te prison down there is full of the dead. In
the dark ,,the people in that hell hole have no water or food in cells
and are all dead.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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01 Sep 2005 10:14:43 PM |
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The gangs dwn there nead shot on sight ..id kill them all myself.
But the people dieing on the bridge because they had no water for 4 days
in USA is a discrace .
The lack of leadership falls on BUSH .
BUSH can see people on the bridge with babies that will be dead in
hours.
WHERE the ***** is the gov ???
YOU will be next..
this winter ,,you will die in your home just because a blizzard hit and
your not worth the effort.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: ***** OUR GOD DAM GOV letting the poor starve |
01 Sep 2005 10:05:57 PM |
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The kids starving to death in the streets are not fellons.
Air dropping food is not brain sergery .
Air dropping water and food is the human thing to do.
I dont buy the fucking ***** that no one could feed those people.
The Gov of the state should be horse wipped and hung by his neck beside
bush and brown.
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| User: "George" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:52:35 AM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
The kids starving to death in the streets are not fellons.
Air dropping food is not brain sergery .
Air dropping water and food is the human thing to do.
I dont buy the fucking ***** that no one could feed those people.
The Gov of the state should be horse wipped and hung by his neck
beside bush and brown.
what are you doing for it ?
writing in physics newsgroup
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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02 Sep 2005 10:08:41 PM |
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You blind basterd ...you cant dicuss physics and just wrote 1000s of
pages of ***** about god in sci classes.
YOU DONT LIKE ME SLAMMING BUSH !!
YOU dont like anything I say .
You dont and cant disscuss gravity or physics at all and posted ***** in
this ng a mile long.
BUT MOST OF ALL
I dont like BROWN on TV 20 times in 2 days on the big 3 and running
around with Bush today ...WHENTHE FUCKER should be directing FEMA ,,,hes
the fucking fema director
but he dont know people on the bridge still have no food or water
BACAUSE he is NOT AT HIS POST AND HAS DESERTED HIS POST to be on tv
with BUSH.
BTW ***** you
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| User: "NunYa Bidness" |
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03 Sep 2005 04:54:50 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:08:41 -0400, (tj
Frazir) Gave us:
You blind basterd ...you cant dicuss physics and just wrote 1000s of
pages of ***** about god in sci classes.
YOU DONT LIKE ME SLAMMING BUSH !!
YOU dont like anything I say .
You dont and cant disscuss gravity or physics at all and posted ***** in
this ng a mile long.
BUT MOST OF ALL
I dont like BROWN on TV 20 times in 2 days on the big 3 and running
around with Bush today ...WHENTHE FUCKER should be directing FEMA ,,,hes
the fucking fema director
but he dont know people on the bridge still have no food or water
BACAUSE he is NOT AT HIS POST AND HAS DESERTED HIS POST to be on tv
with BUSH.
BTW ***** you
That must be what you got discharged for. How your lame, 4-F *****
ever got in, I'll never know.
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| User: "George" |
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05 Sep 2005 01:54:38 AM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
You blind basterd ...you cant dicuss physics and just wrote 1000s of
pages of ***** about god in sci classes.
YOU DONT LIKE ME SLAMMING BUSH !!
YOU dont like anything I say .
You dont and cant disscuss gravity or physics at all and posted *****
in this ng a mile long.
BUT MOST OF ALL
I dont like BROWN on TV 20 times in 2 days on the big 3 and running
around with Bush today ...WHENTHE FUCKER should be directing FEMA
,,,hes the fucking fema director
but he dont know people on the bridge still have no food or water
BACAUSE he is NOT AT HIS POST AND HAS DESERTED HIS POST to be on tv
with BUSH.
BTW ***** you
I agree Bush Sucks with all our dear brother and sisters who voted for
him,
but my question is still valid what are you doing for what ever you are
complaining about
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| User: "Lefty" |
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02 Sep 2005 12:15:20 AM |
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What they ought'a do is turn New Orleans into the American Venice.
Hell, if they can build a fulll scale replica of the Parthenon in Memphis
because memphis is the "Athens of the South", then maybe they might like
their own Venitian water park.
Speaking of which, there are so many people currently behind bars (2.4
million), that if each convict had a coffee cup and started bailing seawater
from New Orleans at a rate of 1,000 cups per day, they could probably drain
New Orleans in a relatively short amount of time, maybe a couple weeks I
think. Just guessing, but I dont think it's too far off.
Yet, we must remember that the number 1 enemy is "TERRIZMISTS", and that the
ALL hurricanes get started in the Middle East somewhere, then migrate toward
the US.
Ever seen that movie called "Andersenville" ?? It's about a little civil war
prison camp just west of Atlanta. Very interesting stuff. Just imagine
yourself on the front lines of some war somewhere & getting less support
than these folks wandering around in NewOrleans.
You might see the same sort of thing in a typical Southern prison. Just
imagine getting stabbed or raped and the guards just ignore your screams. We
have become that kind of culture. We have also allowed cameras to go up
everywhere, so that the traditional forms of protest are quite impossible.
Yes, the future is upon us, and it's very very ugly. But I think that the
optimal strategy toward social improvement is the peaceful route. We need to
rebuild our industry, cut down on imports, create jobs, get people off
welfare and back to work, and implement a better form of democracy where
people can vote on more issues electronically because representative
governance as we know it is a catastrophe.
Sadly, if you could afford to drive out of New Orleans in your 2005 Toyota
then you have earned your right to remain alive. Those who were left behind
were simply left to the elements, and so they remain, as homeless people,
dejected, cast out, and our culture feels that there are those for whom such
a fate is well earned.
Consider laws banning sex offenders from living within city limits. They are
essentially cast out into the elements to fend for themselves in nature, a
punishment which goes well beyond the actual court ordered sentence.
Lastly, when you see the commercials on TV to "save the children" in Africa
or elsewhere - just remember that these commercials have been on TV for the
past 40 years, and those kids are STILL hungry - and it makes you wonder
where the money goes.
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| User: "Lefty" |
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02 Sep 2005 12:31:57 AM |
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I was'nt aware that any prisoners had died, but would not surprise me. I did
see some film footage of about 300 inmates who were being held on a
partially submerged stretch of an highway. I'm quite sure that there was a
jail in the city limits, but I have'nt heard any details about that. It
would certainly be bad to get picked up for drunk driving or something
relatively minor, and wind up drowning like a rat in a cage.
Frightening.
Well, there was a story I heard about state prison in one state where "If
you are removed from the prison by an act of God, then you would be
permanently released by the state". I dont know if it was true, but I think
the story had something to do with tornadoes, and getting sucked up into the
air and thrown over the walls.
It is a very sad situation.
Looks like FEMA is just poking around looking for the dead.
If we had better policies and practices in place to reform felons, the
indigent, the homeless, then none of this chaos would have ever erupted in
the aftermath of the storm. It makes no sense whatsoever to keep ex-convicts
perpetually unemployed upon release. They will have no work ethic
whatsoever. The logical result is something reminiscent of Rwanda. If those
young men who now run loose like wildmen in the streets, if they had jobs &
hope, they would not behave the way they are behaving, looting & shooting.
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| User: "NunYa Bidness" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:35:56 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:15:20 -0700, "Lefty" <Ye@h.right> Gave us:
Yet, we must remember that the number 1 enemy is "TERRIZMISTS", and that the
ALL hurricanes get started in the Middle East somewhere, then migrate toward
the US.
You are almost as retarded as he is with ***** like that.
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| User: "Lefty" |
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02 Sep 2005 11:05:39 PM |
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Yet, we must remember that the number 1 enemy is "TERRIZMISTS", and that
the
ALL hurricanes get started in the Middle East somewhere, then migrate
toward
the US.
You are almost as retarded as he is with ***** like that.
Probably so.
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02 Sep 2005 09:32:51 PM |
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You are almost as retarded as he is with ***** like that.
Probably so.
Lefty, you're my kind of person. Self-deprecating. Such a breath of
fresh air compared to these drunken, ego-laden frat-brats that infest
sci.physics.
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 09:39:36 PM |
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ALL hurricanes get started in the Middle East somewhere, then migrate
toward the US.
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No, no, no. They start in North Africa as a single goat fart. Then,
by the Lorenz-Lorentz Butterfly/Relativistic Contraction effect
(LLBRCE), they bloom up into full scale storms which then hit New
Orleans and do in a bunch of people, since greedy land-promoters
developed land 1,000 feet below sea level.
Blarp.
Toodle-Lewd-Wench-Sky.
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| User: "Lefty" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:14:40 AM |
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<donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125715171.941782.247210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
ALL hurricanes get started in the Middle East somewhere, then migrate
toward the US.
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No, no, no. They start in North Africa as a single goat fart. Then,
by the Lorenz-Lorentz Butterfly/Relativistic Contraction effect
(LLBRCE), they bloom up into full scale storms which then hit New
Orleans and do in a bunch of people, since greedy land-promoters
developed land 1,000 feet below sea level.
Blarp.
Toodle-Lewd-Wench-Sky.
I'm looking at the news and there are many interesting observations - I dont
think that the lack of response has much to do with race.
I think that it has more to do with class, and the fact that most victims
are black is incidental, but I think that it's primarily a class related
problem.
Add to that the fact that America has no real belief in rehabiliattion of
felons - you have thousands of unemployed ex-convicts who have nothing to
lose when the storm hits - obviously the place is going to erupt in anarchy
and violence. I really do believe that the best thing we can do to ensure
homeland security is to get these morons back to work. We have hundreds of
thousands of people getting out of prison every year - these people
absolutely *must* get their asses into gear like normal human beings with
jobs, etc.
It has more to do with class than race IMHO, but race certainly plays into
the overall problem.
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| User: "NunYa Bidness" |
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03 Sep 2005 04:20:41 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:14:40 -0700, "Lefty" <Ye@h.right> Gave us:
<donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125715171.941782.247210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
ALL hurricanes get started in the Middle East somewhere, then migrate
toward the US.
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No, no, no. They start in North Africa as a single goat fart. Then,
by the Lorenz-Lorentz Butterfly/Relativistic Contraction effect
(LLBRCE), they bloom up into full scale storms which then hit New
Orleans and do in a bunch of people, since greedy land-promoters
developed land 1,000 feet below sea level.
Blarp.
Toodle-Lewd-Wench-Sky.
I'm looking at the news and there are many interesting observations - I dont
think that the lack of response has much to do with race.
I think that it has more to do with class, and the fact that most victims
are black is incidental, but I think that it's primarily a class related
problem.
Add to that the fact that America has no real belief in rehabiliattion of
felons - you have thousands of unemployed ex-convicts who have nothing to
lose when the storm hits - obviously the place is going to erupt in anarchy
and violence. I really do believe that the best thing we can do to ensure
homeland security is to get these morons back to work. We have hundreds of
thousands of people getting out of prison every year - these people
absolutely *must* get their asses into gear like normal human beings with
jobs, etc.
It has more to do with class than race IMHO, but race certainly plays into
the overall problem.
If the country has the employment rate it has among willing hard
working folks, where do you think these magical work force position
are going to come form?
Get a clue.
The problems were 100% logistical.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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03 Sep 2005 05:05:12 PM |
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82nd c THE BUCK STOPS HERE : )
82nd is made of Amer-I-cans : )
They should have sent them navy way boys in there the fist day a kid
dint eat .
we can jerk on a tree limb with political deadwieghts later.
like Bush ,,the govonor ,,mike brown ..
Impeach BUSH
IMPEACH BUSH
He swore and he broke it.
do the crime do the time.
Impeach BUSH
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| User: "Lefty" |
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03 Sep 2005 09:44:41 PM |
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It has more to do with class than race IMHO, but race certainly plays
into
the overall problem.
If the country has the employment rate it has among willing hard
working folks, where do you think these magical work force position
are going to come form?
Get a clue.
The problems were 100% logistical.
Uhhhhh - no.
Looters shooting at choppers is not the result of bad logistics. It is the
result of society keeping millions of young men as unemployed pets in the
ghettos for entertainment purposes in the grand saga of good vs. evil.
The looting and shooting in New Orleans is NOT an anomaly. It is in fact
precisely what you would expect when hopeless & jobless youths are turned
loose when the police retreat. As soon as the police move out, the gangs
rise up. It is disgusting. Most cities exist at an equillibrium between the
cops and the criminals, and the equillibrium simply shifted in favor of the
crooks.
This equillibrium state is the greatest threat to national security today -
much more dangerous than Al Queda. We simply cannot allow neighborhoods and
communities to go on day after day with the constant tug of war between cops
and crooks. There is way too much amperage on both sides of that equation.
And while cops might combat the crooks, cops can never eradicate the
criminal element. Only jobs, hope & education could ever do that - however,
we have abandoned the notion of rehabilitating criminals. I'm telling you -
you can put them out with the trash, but they wont be riding out on the
garbage truck.
And to be honest, nobody even had a contingency plan. There are plenty of
goods within a few miles of the place, but nobody even planned for this
thing. The military probably was not even neccesary - if the city would have
made arrangements with local distributors for basics like water, diapers,
food, etc. Maybe you could attribute some of this to partisanism - or
people's inability to cooperate in a purely competitive culture.
Who knows.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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03 Sep 2005 08:22:56 PM |
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15000 to 20000 dead in flood.
10,000 blown away allong the shore.
30,000 of your fellow Americans died .
Impeach Bush .
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| User: "Lefty" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:47:38 PM |
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15000 to 20000 dead in flood.
10,000 blown away allong the shore.
30,000 of your fellow Americans died .
Impeach Bush .
I think that the local leaders have alot to answer for, probably more so
than Bush. They knew that storm was coming for several days, and they really
did'nt put any plans into motion.
The feds had to step in this time - but they would not have been needed so
desperately if the locals had made the appropriate preparations in the first
place. The stadium should have had cops in place to maintain order. The cops
should have been ready to hunt down roving gangs and shoot looters on the
spot. The national guard should have been called up 3 days prior to the
storm actually making landfall, and FEMA should have been apprised of how
many people were riding out the storm.
Much more could have been done to prepare for this thing. Beaurocracy in
action.
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| User: "Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors" |
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03 Sep 2005 08:19:25 PM |
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Lefty wrote:
It has more to do with class than race IMHO, but race certainly plays
into
the overall problem.
If the country has the employment rate it has among willing hard
working folks, where do you think these magical work force position
are going to come form?
Get a clue.
The problems were 100% logistical.
Uhhhhh - no.
Looters shooting at choppers is not the result of bad logistics. It is the
result of society keeping millions of young men as unemployed pets in the
ghettos for entertainment purposes in the grand saga of good vs. evil.
Nope, it's the result of having a majority black city.
New Orleans is a miniature version of sub-saharan Africa, and behaved
accordingly in a time of crisis.
Instead of helping each other out, as would happen in a mostly white or
oriental city, they raped, looted and fired upon rescue helicopters.
It's happened in the US before, of course. Eg (from the usenet
archieves):
"The population of the Virgin Islands is 85% black and Hispanic, and
15% White. They are all American citizens living on American soil and
the American flag flies overhead. In 1989 hurricane Hugo struck the
Virgin Islands. Riot, looting and anarchy followed. Armed gangs of
100 or more plundered the streets. There were roving, machete-
wielding mobs bent on murder. Whites were punched, clubbed and driven
from their homes. When the mostly black National Guard was called out
to restore order they JOINED in the looting, driving away in national
guard trucks packed full of looted merchandise. Numerous witnesses
reported that black police and national guardsmen also joined in the
looting. The Whites had to arm themselves with machetes to defend
their lives and their homes.
Hundreds of imprisoned black and Hispanic convicts, including rapists
and murderers, escaped and poured into the streets, fueling the chaos.
The shocked and unprepared Whites were forced to defend themselves
from the blacks and Hispanics with whatever was at hand. Some had
guns, but others had to stand guard over their homes and property with
machetes. Many fled to the airport where they begged the arriving,
mostly-White soldiers to evacuate them.
This scenario depicted above is not a piece of B-movie fiction, it
really happened. What's more, it wasn't played out in some foreign
banana republic or remote leftover of the British or French Empires.
All the principals described above were Americans - all of them. The
black and Hispanic rioters were Americans. The escaped convicts were
Americans. The police and national guardsmen-turned-looters were
Americans. The Whites who took up machetes in defense of their homes
and lives were Americans. The terrified Whites who fled to the airport
for evacuation were Americans. The arriving soldiers who rescued them
were Americans. They were all Americans, ALL of them, and the Stars
and Stripes flew overhead while civilized society broke down and broke
up, then reformed in clashing tribal fragments."
--
http://cherenkov-radiation.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Lefty" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:33:04 PM |
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Lefty wrote:
It has more to do with class than race IMHO, but race certainly plays
into
the overall problem.
If the country has the employment rate it has among willing hard
working folks, where do you think these magical work force position
are going to come form?
Get a clue.
The problems were 100% logistical.
Uhhhhh - no.
Looters shooting at choppers is not the result of bad logistics. It is
the
result of society keeping millions of young men as unemployed pets in
the
ghettos for entertainment purposes in the grand saga of good vs. evil.
Nope, it's the result of having a majority black city.
New Orleans is a miniature version of sub-saharan Africa, and behaved
accordingly in a time of crisis.
Instead of helping each other out, as would happen in a mostly white or
oriental city, they raped, looted and fired upon rescue helicopters.
It's happened in the US before, of course. Eg (from the usenet
archieves):
"The population of the Virgin Islands is 85% black and Hispanic, and
15% White. They are all American citizens living on American soil and
the American flag flies overhead. In 1989 hurricane Hugo struck the
Virgin Islands. Riot, looting and anarchy followed. Armed gangs of
100 or more plundered the streets. There were roving, machete-
wielding mobs bent on murder. Whites were punched, clubbed and driven
from their homes. When the mostly black National Guard was called out
to restore order they JOINED in the looting, driving away in national
guard trucks packed full of looted merchandise. Numerous witnesses
reported that black police and national guardsmen also joined in the
looting. The Whites had to arm themselves with machetes to defend
their lives and their homes.
Hundreds of imprisoned black and Hispanic convicts, including rapists
and murderers, escaped and poured into the streets, fueling the chaos.
The shocked and unprepared Whites were forced to defend themselves
from the blacks and Hispanics with whatever was at hand. Some had
guns, but others had to stand guard over their homes and property with
machetes. Many fled to the airport where they begged the arriving,
mostly-White soldiers to evacuate them.
This scenario depicted above is not a piece of B-movie fiction, it
really happened. What's more, it wasn't played out in some foreign
banana republic or remote leftover of the British or French Empires.
All the principals described above were Americans - all of them. The
black and Hispanic rioters were Americans. The escaped convicts were
Americans. The police and national guardsmen-turned-looters were
Americans. The Whites who took up machetes in defense of their homes
and lives were Americans. The terrified Whites who fled to the airport
for evacuation were Americans. The arriving soldiers who rescued them
were Americans. They were all Americans, ALL of them, and the Stars
and Stripes flew overhead while civilized society broke down and broke
up, then reformed in clashing tribal fragments."
I'd hate to equate such behaviour as being caused by race. Certainly race is
related to class, and in the final analysis - class is the underlying
motivator for such behaviour.
Look at Rwanda. You had blacks murdering blacks, it had nothing to do with
race. It was Hutus killing Tutsis, settling old class based animosities.
Whites have behaved similarly toward blacks throughout history, and the
American West was won with gunpowder. If you were a Native American you
would have seen Europeans in much the same way - pillaging the entire land,
destroying entire herds of buffalo to extinction, bringing diseases such as
measles & small pox, etc etc etc.
I would disagree with any assertion that the chaos in New Orleans was caused
by genetics. There are many idiots in this world, and unfortunately many of
them are indeed black. But their idiocy is completely unrelated to their
blackness. And in the case of New orleans, the idiocy has much more to do
with class.
Classism has become a sort of purgatory for the US. It's somewhere in
between the hellish racism of the 19th century, and the heavenly idealized
utopia of pure egalitarianism envisioned by progressives. Race has been
reduced to a mitigating factor in most situations, even among criminals.
Even among criminals, blacks and whites do mix - but the main source of
angst even among such people is that a white criminal still seems to
_outclass_ a black one. It has less to do with actual skin color.
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| User: "Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors" |
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04 Sep 2005 07:24:20 AM |
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Lefty wrote:
I'd hate to equate such behaviour as being caused by race. Certainly race is
related to class, and in the final analysis - class is the underlying
motivator for such behaviour.
Look at Rwanda. You had blacks murdering blacks, it had nothing to do with
race. It was Hutus killing Tutsis, settling old class based animosities.
Whites have behaved similarly toward blacks throughout history, and the
American West was won with gunpowder. If you were a Native American you
would have seen Europeans in much the same way - pillaging the entire land,
destroying entire herds of buffalo to extinction, bringing diseases such as
measles & small pox, etc etc etc.
I would disagree with any assertion that the chaos in New Orleans was caused
by genetics. There are many idiots in this world, and unfortunately many of
them are indeed black. But their idiocy is completely unrelated to their
blackness. And in the case of New orleans, the idiocy has much more to do
with class.
Blacks are much more prone to violence in America, than any other
population there. The same is true here (in Britain). 15% of the jail
population is black here, in spite of them comprising only 2% of the
total population.
In the US, IIRC, 50% of the jail population is black, despite only 8
percent of the total US population being black.
The same is true in pretty much every country.
African blacks average 70 on IQ tests and American blacks (with decades
of interbreeding and affirmative action) now average 85.
Whites average 100.
Class, race, IQ and criminality are all tied up together, and the
driving force is genetics. I don't like this, but it's an empirical
fact.
Instead of pontificating about non-existant grievances you think these
people have, think about all of their many victims.
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| User: "Lefty" |
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04 Sep 2005 11:54:01 AM |
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Lefty wrote:
I'd hate to equate such behaviour as being caused by race. Certainly
race is
related to class, and in the final analysis - class is the underlying
motivator for such behaviour.
Look at Rwanda. You had blacks murdering blacks, it had nothing to do
with
race. It was Hutus killing Tutsis, settling old class based animosities.
Whites have behaved similarly toward blacks throughout history, and the
American West was won with gunpowder. If you were a Native American you
would have seen Europeans in much the same way - pillaging the entire
land,
destroying entire herds of buffalo to extinction, bringing diseases such
as
measles & small pox, etc etc etc.
I would disagree with any assertion that the chaos in New Orleans was
caused
by genetics. There are many idiots in this world, and unfortunately many
of
them are indeed black. But their idiocy is completely unrelated to their
blackness. And in the case of New orleans, the idiocy has much more to
do
with class.
Blacks are much more prone to violence in America, than any other
population there. The same is true here (in Britain). 15% of the jail
population is black here, in spite of them comprising only 2% of the
total population.
In the US, IIRC, 50% of the jail population is black, despite only 8
percent of the total US population being black.
I think that the actual stats may be even worse than this - but.......
The same is true in pretty much every country.
African blacks average 70 on IQ tests and American blacks (with decades
of interbreeding and affirmative action) now average 85.
Whites average 100.
Class, race, IQ and criminality are all tied up together, and the
driving force is genetics. I don't like this, but it's an empirical
fact.
The very idea that intelligence is inherently genetic somehow is reminiscent
of the Eugenics movement, and was debunked by real scientists many, many
years ago. The concept of IQ tests is patently absurd in the first place.
You cannot measure intelligence - everybody knows it.
If you can measure intelligence, then you can also measure love, hate, fear,
and all kinds of other things. The fact of the matter is that these
psychological things might be understandable somehow - but absolutely cannot
be measured empirically. To think otherwise is simply ridiculous.
All intelligence test require questionaires, or some type of observation of
behaviour. Any measurement you choose will have an unknown margin or error
because thinking creatures can be disingenuous. Would you trust a ruler if
the graduations were constantly shifting around per the whims of the ruler
itself ? Psychology is merely Eugenics in a fancy suit with a smiley face.
It's garbage.
Instead of pontificating about non-existant grievances you think these
people have, think about all of their many victims.
Instead of perpetuating your own denial of the obvious, you should think
about the many victims to come if criminal justice cannot get it's head out
of it's *****.
The vast majority of victims of violent crime are themselves convicted
criminals. Do you extend your sympathies to these peolpe as well ? I thought
not.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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04 Sep 2005 10:51:32 AM |
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IQ is not a mesure of class but a mesure of class.
If I dropped einstein in brazil ..
If I dropped jesse jackson in brazil.
jackson would fit in in week.
einstein would never fit.
language is the great disvision of classes.
Multiculture dont work well.
Toleration a multireligen scociety is one thing but multiculture is
the big thing.
Most people mistake RACE for culture .
1/2 a town drinks till dark and 1/2 dont.
That town has a multiculture and is scocaly devided into classes.
Culture classes become the rich and poor.
The rich or well off black got on jets and flew away .
Bush should have filled air force 1 up with 300 people wile he was
standing around with his thumb up browns ***** .
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| User: "Lefty" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:13:07 PM |
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IQ is not a mesure of class but a mesure of class.
If I dropped einstein in brazil ..
If I dropped jesse jackson in brazil.
jackson would fit in in week.
einstein would never fit.
IQ is a watered down hunk of quackery which remained after Eugenics was
blown out of the water by clearer minds.
Can you measure love quantitatively ? Even with brain scans ? No. And the
statitics would be intractible because we are all unique individuals. We are
not a society of clones. And even if it were possible, all such data is
timestamped because populations evolve. So, whats the point ? The only
possible utility of such a measure is to set up an artificial gradation of
people based on their ability to think, and the whole thing is nonsense.
Someone gets lucky and discovers a really neat thing and we call him a
genius. Someone else does something really dumb and we call him an idiot.
Einstein never did a dumb thing in his entire life ? Some people have called
Hitler a genius ? The whole thing is farsical.
language is the great disvision of classes.
Multiculture dont work well.
Toleration a multireligen scociety is one thing but multiculture is
the big thing.
Most people mistake RACE for culture .
1/2 a town drinks till dark and 1/2 dont.
That town has a multiculture and is scocaly devided into classes.
Culture classes become the rich and poor.
The rich or well off black got on jets and flew away .
Bush should have filled air force 1 up with 300 people wile he was
standing around with his thumb up browns ***** .
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| User: "NunYa Bidness" |
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04 Sep 2005 02:44:11 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:51:32 -0400, (tj
Frazir) Gave us:
If I dropped einstein in brazil ..
If I dropped jesse jackson in brazil.
jackson would fit in in week.
einstein would never fit.
Yer an idiot. Brazil is full of Germans.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: GOD DAM letting the GANGS lord themselves over the refugees. |
04 Sep 2005 04:53:17 PM |
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Some moron wrote ,,brazill is full off..
brazil is full of brazilians.
A bit closer to the river bason .
There are tribes that have never seen a white man.
Einstein is not going to understand the wisdom of face paint .
IQ Im convinced is a real mesurent of some thing your biult with ,,you
have it or you dnt.
I allways knew any one could be a billionaire like me because evryone
seamd smarter in scocal skills and grammer than me.
But they dont do the math .
I have tryed to get people to do trade leads and how to import export
using the world banks money . or the usa bank money.
Thats easy ..10 million a week easy.
or 5 mil in just one trade and quit.
Its just easy as ***** but its a job for a solid week looking at all
the trade leads till a list banks starts producing buyers and sellers
with 1/2 a buck per pound profit on 10,000 tons a pop.
Other things too ,,like buying a forest or a factory with a contract
from buyers .
As easy as these things are ,,they cant be taught . You have it or you
dont.
I tryed for years to prove that wrong .
maybe 5 times I made some one trade and make 1 mil a day .
Its not iQ that stops people but its Iq related.
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| User: "Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors" |
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04 Sep 2005 04:31:12 PM |
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Lefty wrote:
Lefty wrote:
I'd hate to equate such behaviour as being caused by race. Certainly
race is
related to class, and in the final analysis - class is the underlying
motivator for such behaviour.
Look at Rwanda. You had blacks murdering blacks, it had nothing to do
with
race. It was Hutus killing Tutsis, settling old class based animosities.
Whites have behaved similarly toward blacks throughout history, and the
American West was won with gunpowder. If you were a Native American you
would have seen Europeans in much the same way - pillaging the entire
land,
destroying entire herds of buffalo to extinction, bringing diseases such
as
measles & small pox, etc etc etc.
I would disagree with any assertion that the chaos in New Orleans was
caused
by genetics. There are many idiots in this world, and unfortunately many
of
them are indeed black. But their idiocy is completely unrelated to their
blackness. And in the case of New orleans, the idiocy has much more to
do
with class.
Blacks are much more prone to violence in America, than any other
population there. The same is true here (in Britain). 15% of the jail
population is black here, in spite of them comprising only 2% of the
total population.
In the US, IIRC, 50% of the jail population is black, despite only 8
percent of the total US population being black.
I think that the actual stats may be even worse than this - but.......
The same is true in pretty much every country.
African blacks average 70 on IQ tests and American blacks (with decades
of interbreeding and affirmative action) now average 85.
Whites average 100.
Class, race, IQ and criminality are all tied up together, and the
driving force is genetics. I don't like this, but it's an empirical
fact.
The very idea that intelligence is inherently genetic somehow is reminiscent
of the Eugenics movement, and was debunked by real scientists many, many
years ago.
Garbage.
"An estimate of the heritability of a trait tries to indicate how much
of the variance of that given trait is due to genetic differences. This
number is characterized by a decimal, or .XX. Some have argued that
this estimate is as high as .75, meaning that fully 75% of all IQ
variances can be attributed to genetic differences. Studies have shown
this to be high, except in monozygotic (MZ) twins raised together.
These twins share the same exact genotype. In this case, the
correlation was as high as .88. In the study of MZ twins raised apart,
the correlation was as high as .75. In contrast, Dizygotic twins, who
share 50% of their genes on average, had a correlation factor of .53
when growing up together and .46 when raised separately. This seems to
indicate that similarity of a genetic component has a direct influence
on IQ scores. At the very least, it indicates a much higher influence
than that of non-related children having a correlation of just .17
(Loehlin, Lindzey, and Spuhler, 1975)".
The concept of IQ tests is patently absurd in the first place.
You cannot measure intelligence - everybody knows it.
Of course you can, and there is a correlation between high IQs and
prosperity, and between low IQs and poverty and violence. See "The Bell
Curve" for scientific evidence of this.
If you can measure intelligence, then you can also measure love, hate, fear,
and all kinds of other things.
I'm sure it is possible to measure things like love, hate and fear via
levels of certain hormones, in a fairly approximate manner.
Intelligence, however, is raw processing power, and can also be
measured quite accurately.
The fact of the matter is that these
psychological things might be understandable somehow - but absolutely cannot
be measured empirically. To think otherwise is simply ridiculous.
Nope, you're just plain wrong.
All intelligence test require questionaires, or some type of observation of
behaviour. Any measurement you choose will have an unknown margin or error
because thinking creatures can be disingenuous. Would you trust a ruler if
the graduations were constantly shifting around per the whims of the ruler
itself ? Psychology is merely Eugenics in a fancy suit with a smiley face.
It's garbage.
Freudian psychology is garbage. Objective, scientific psychology, OTOH,
sure isn't.
Anyway, Eugenics has gotten an unnecessarily bad press.
Instead of perpetuating your own denial of the obvious, you should think
about the many victims to come if criminal justice cannot get it's head out
of it's *****.
The vast majority of victims of violent crime are themselves convicted
criminals. Do you extend your sympathies to these peolpe as well ? I thought
not.
Nope, I'm more concerned about blacks gang raping white girls, and
murdering innocent people etc.
I'm all for criminals being violent to each other.
--
http://cherenkov-radiation.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Lefty" |
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| Title: Re: GOD DAM letting the GANGS lord themselves over the refugees. |
04 Sep 2005 07:01:18 PM |
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Lefty wrote:
I'd hate to equate such behaviour as being caused by race. Certainly
race is
related to class, and in the final analysis - class is the
underlying
motivator for such behaviour.
Look at Rwanda. You had blacks murdering blacks, it had nothing to
do
with
race. It was Hutus killing Tutsis, settling old class based
animosities.
Whites have behaved similarly toward blacks throughout history, and
the
American West was won with gunpowder. If you were a Native American
you
would have seen Europeans in much the same way - pillaging the
entire
land,
destroying entire herds of buffalo to extinction, bringing diseases
such
as
measles & small pox, etc etc etc.
I would disagree with any assertion that the chaos in New Orleans
was
caused
by genetics. There are many idiots in this world, and unfortunately
many
of
them are indeed black. But their idiocy is completely unrelated to
their
blackness. And in the case of New orleans, the idiocy has much more
to
do
with class.
Blacks are much more prone to violence in America, than any other
population there. The same is true here (in Britain). 15% of the jail
population is black here, in spite of them comprising only 2% of the
total population.
In the US, IIRC, 50% of the jail population is black, despite only 8
percent of the total US population being black.
I think that the actual stats may be even worse than this - but.......
The same is true in pretty much every country.
African blacks average 70 on IQ tests and American blacks (with
decades
of interbreeding and affirmative action) now average 85.
Whites average 100.
Class, race, IQ and criminality are all tied up together, and the
driving force is genetics. I don't like this, but it's an empirical
fact.
The very idea that intelligence is inherently genetic somehow is
reminiscent
of the Eugenics movement, and was debunked by real scientists many, many
years ago.
Garbage.
"An estimate of the heritability of a trait tries to indicate how much
of the variance of that given trait is due to genetic differences. This
number is characterized by a decimal, or .XX. Some have argued that
this estimate is as high as .75, meaning that fully 75% of all IQ
variances can be attributed to genetic differences. Studies have shown
this to be high, except in monozygotic (MZ) twins raised together.
These twins share the same exact genotype. In this case, the
correlation was as high as .88. In the study of MZ twins raised apart,
the correlation was as high as .75. In contrast, Dizygotic twins, who
share 50% of their genes on average, had a correlation factor of .53
when growing up together and .46 when raised separately. This seems to
indicate that similarity of a genetic component has a direct influence
on IQ scores. At the very least, it indicates a much higher influence
than that of non-related children having a correlation of just .17
(Loehlin, Lindzey, and Spuhler, 1975)".
Ridiculous.
The study you cite implies that intelligence has been measured in the first
place, and then correlates that data to genetics.
You can do anything you want with bad data. You might as well do a
statistical analysis on the blood pressures of a population of ghosts. We'll
just ignore the fact that obtaining the blood pressure of a ghost is
impossible, and jump right into the correlations of inherited traits etc
etc.
If you believe that IQ tests measure anything, then you have been duped.
The concept of IQ tests is patently absurd in the first place.
You cannot measure intelligence - everybody knows it.
Of course you can, and there is a correlation between high IQs and
prosperity, and between low IQs and poverty and violence. See "The Bell
Curve" for scientific evidence of this.
Proves nothing relevant to the actual quantifiability of "intelligence" -
whatever that is.
If you can measure intelligence, then you can also measure love, hate,
fear,
and all kinds of other things.
I'm sure it is possible to measure things like love, hate and fear via
levels of certain hormones, in a fairly approximate manner.
Intelligence, however, is raw processing power, and can also be
measured quite accurately.
Dont be ridiculous. Measuring love in terms of hormone levels ? Nonsense.
Define love.
The fact of the matter is that these
psychological things might be understandable somehow - but absolutely
cannot
be measured empirically. To think otherwise is simply ridiculous.
Nope, you're just plain wrong.
Well, there are obviously many who would agree with you because that's how
they make a living, but I am right, and I would also say that beyond
quantification, many of these things are probably not even qualifiable. I
would not say that psychology has no value, but it's definately not science.
And it does not really matter how much statistics you load it up with, you
have no way to gather accurate data, and the definitions are just plain
flimsy and always will be.
All intelligence test require questionaires, or some type of observation
of
behaviour. Any measurement you choose will have an unknown margin or
error
because thinking creatures can be disingenuous. Would you trust a ruler
if
the graduations were constantly shifting around per the whims of the
ruler
itself ? Psychology is merely Eugenics in a fancy suit with a smiley
face.
It's garbage.
Freudian psychology is garbage. Objective, scientific psychology, OTOH,
sure isn't.
Anyway, Eugenics has gotten an unnecessarily bad press.
Oh dear God......
Instead of perpetuating your own denial of the obvious, you should think
about the many victims to come if criminal justice cannot get it's head
out
of it's *****.
The vast majority of victims of violent crime are themselves convicted
criminals. Do you extend your sympathies to these peolpe as well ? I
thought
not.
Nope, I'm more concerned about blacks gang raping white girls, and
murdering innocent people etc.
I'm all for criminals being violent to each other.
Well, have it your way then.
One last thing about rape though - Abner Louima. The cops who raped him with
the plunger handle in the Bronx police station - what punishment should they
get ? I beleive it was a case where 4 or 5 white COPS sodomized a black
male. What punishment should they get ?
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