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07 Oct 2006 12:58:35 AM |
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:: quantum incoherence and the logical structure of science (re: mike gordge and obscene videos) :: |
In article <1160114169.307368.218280@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz wrote:
!! galathaea wrote:
!!
!! who knows?
!!
!! Your post are by far the most difficult to follow, the use of the !!!s
!! and the added >s are very distracting and turn me off big time from
!! trying to figure where your silliness starts and stops.
!!
!! So until it changes I cant be fucked trying to sort out what appears to
!! be some major problems going on inside your head.
yes
there are major problems inside my head
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I WANT MY FUCKING MONEY
"*****, *****! I want my fucking money, *****!"
Last night I looked at Spike Lee's superb film Jungle Fever
on the Independent Film Channel and that line hurtled off the
TV and burned into my neurons like a Joycean epiphany. The
speaker, a minor character in the story, virtually a
noncharacter, spoke into a cell-phone as the major character
walked past him in a crowd scene, and yet he seemingly summed
up everything about our world today.
Joyce developed his theory of the artistic epiphany from a
similarly simple sentence that he overheard passing an open
window in Dublin circa 1900. It seemed to him that with his
usual mixture of logic, empathy and artistic intuition he
"knew in a flash" a great many things about the speakers,
their lives, the lives of most Dubliners, and, by extension,
the lives of colonized peoples everywhere. I invite you to
apply the same methods to the wonderful sentence Mr. Lee has
given us:
"*****, *****! I want my fucking money, *****!"
In the feudal age, people once fought wars over Land, when
Land served as the source of wealth. Those who had Land
wanted more, on the usual addictive rule that we want more
of what makes us feel very very good. They also worried that
others wanted to take their Land away. Then paper Money
appeared, almost as abstract as pure information in
communication theory. For over 400 years now, the world has
struggled over Money -- working for it, swindling and
robbing for it, conspiring to monopolize it, going to war
over it. Since less than one percent of Earthians owns 99
percent of the Money, the [approximately] 6 billion of the
rest of us struggle evermore desparately over the one
percent of the green magick not yet monopolized. We all feel
like Spike Lee's guy on the cell-phone part of the time, do
we not?
-raw
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but you have fallen too
mg
and perhaps two broken and crippled minds
can still communicate
i am curious
!! galathaea wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
!! > this is reality
(excuse this lapse of isness sickness
as romantic license)
!! Oh so in reality entities act according to their nature
!! and cant act in contradiction of their nature, I've already
!! told you that.
yes but take a look at the link
(restored)
or just go straight for the meat of the math
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-quantlog/
an orthocomplemented lattice
of subspace projection operators in a hilbert space
once you start to understand
how classical logic's ontological assumptions
do not correspond to observed reality
much philosophy loses value
kant fell in this way as well
because his a priori assumptions
of logic and the geometry of space
do not form models of reality
with good correlation
that is where the problems come in
because
kant
and ayn rand
and descartes
and numerous other philosphers
who made claims towards a science
by modelling observables
face the very real observations
that observables form nonboolean logics
inside a topology and metric
that is noneuclidean
in all of the models
that best correlate with our observations
ayn loses identity
because of very real
indistinguishability statistics
and she loses either-or
to qbits
now her foundations begin to crumble
the framework gets weak
such is the folly of many
before the uncaring hand of science
our models never secure
!! Contradictions exist in man's mind of what exists
!! in reality external of his mind without contradiction,
!! I told you that too.
yes
we still use contradiction
as a criteria for models on finite observables
for those types of individual trials
where the game of language is strongly repeatable
but must use correlation
as the guide over ensembles
and a large class of per-trial observables
where error and uncertainty reign
!! I dont see where you are going with this.
!! There are no contradictions in reality, which even
!! very very very clever people like you cant deny,
!! without using it as the standard to do so.
no one seems to like them in their models
though very very clever people
have also failed to find a way of stating that
in a way that doesn't involve faith of its own
because no framework is certain
and meaning cannot be established infallibly
as the follies contra science illustrate
!! When faced with a contradiction check your premise/s
!! because one of them is wrong, so keep checking.
!! It doesn't matter what wikitrash writes, there are
!! NO contradictions in reality, they exist only in man's
!! perceptions and identifications of it.
i have never claimed such
and if you open your mind to scientific observations
you will learn that the quantum models are quite consistent
it is not the consistency that does not fit the models
it is identity
and either-or
but you can still have consistency
and can construct a quantum theory of numbers
and can perform scientific trials
where learning is possible
!! Dumb arse, ignorant, arrogance, conedescending or deliberately obtuse?
!!
!! My question was epistemology.
!!
!! Explain what you MEAN.
!!
!! Give an example of the *shortcoming of language* to substantiate your
!! claim that no statement is complete and unambiguous, or is there a
!! shortcoming of language stopping you from doing that?
!!
!! Explain what you ****mean**** and see if you can do it without being
!! silly.
[@@@]
!! Nothing, not even a hint of a defence of his idiotic
!! Kantian Russellian Poppereen inspired piffle, but in
!! typical cowardaly leftist fashion instead, chose to
!! attack a dead person as a person and not to attack
!! her ideas, one of the greatest thinkers of the 21st
!! century, obviously galath doesn't feel he's up to it.
you should not ejaculate indiscriminately
and expect communication to be maintainable
because that does not correlate well with reality
do not discount any of the spectrum of
hilary putnam or paul feyerabend
leon brillouin or rene thom
the many whom have tackled meaning in science
in the twentieth century and beyond
for unlike ayn rand
many of their investigations still hold value
because they were informed by science
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the skin over their eyes
disease and her ruins
you're still looking to the sky
staring at death and the moons
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galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| Title: Re: :: quantum incoherence and the logical structure of science (re: mike gordge and obscene videos) :: |
07 Oct 2006 02:05:42 AM |
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galathaea wrote:
or just go straight for the meat of the math
Math is a process of using numbers, numbers are a concept used to
measure units, if math is not being applied to measure something about
units of matter which are existing in sensory reality, i.e. independent
of man's mind, then it renders math as nothing but exercises of and in
the mind, in other words, you care about it only if it bothers you.
The contradictions which appear in math problems are not problems of
reality, because reality has no contradictions, why do you allow silly
little math problems of the mind to bother you?
As a human being, (thats giving you the generous and unearned credit of
not being a reguritating programmed robot) your role of survival is to
solve problems of and in reality, you do this by attempting to identify
and eliminate contradictions between your ideas and sensory reality, it
is not to waste time identifying problems which exist and can exist
NOWHERE else but inside man's mind, but hey its your life, ***** around
with it if thats your beef.
Michael Gordge
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| Title: Re: :: quantum incoherence and the logical structure of science (re: mike gordge and obscene videos) :: |
07 Oct 2006 01:10:55 AM |
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galathaea wrote:
FFS change your layout.
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