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" The idea of motion may not be applied to [ the ether ]. ", Einstein. |
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You're a kook ! you're a kook ! you're a kook !
If time is truly a _Spatial_ dimension ( i.e. falsely directional )
then why don't all _Models_ describe it that way ?
As to what causes gravity, the following is how I think of it:
( from my web site, www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf )
Gravity is " caused " by mass-energy ( i.e. density and pressure )
precisely because they are one and the same.
The distinction between the two is entirely virtual, not real.
In a similar manner, time is truly spatial ( i.e. falsely directional )
and all changes ( including so-called choices ) are virtual, not real.
Virtual life arises from the cosmic consumption of Gibbs Free Energy.
Dark Energy is the virtual energy " debt " incurred by
a " black hole " when it creates a " vacuum ". Likewise, Dark Matter is
the virtual energy " asset " acquired from a black hole.
" Assets = Liabilities " and the " bank " ( i.e. the cosmos )
is collecting interest, diminishing the density/pressure of our Universe.
As even Hawking now admits... there's not enough time or energy in our Universe
to form a true event horizon... Infinite gravitational acceleration
means infinite Unruh radiation... It can't happen, anywhere, ever.
Likewise, there's not enough time or energy in the Universe
to create an ideal vacuum... any gravitational field at all
means spontaneous particle creation ( i.e. Unruh radiation ).
The cosmos has no birth or death, just a limit to what we can observe.
Like ever-active yeast in a loaf of bread,
the cosmos expands everywhere all the time.
In 2-D, I visualise cosmological " time " as the Y axis,
and ( an ever-flat, 4-D ) Minkowskian spacetime as the X axis.
But the Y axis is " Cosmic Gravitational Deceleration, CGD ", not " time ".
" d CGD " ( a function of density and pressure ) is a slice of spacetime.
Adding up the slices forms a 5-D, horn shaped, " white hole ".
w(z) always equals -1 and Omega_Lambda is always .74 ( I posit ).
So Rho_Lambda ( and inflation ) was higher when Rho_Crit was higher.
( Because higher densities create stronger vacuums )
And: Pressure_Cosmos = - ( .74 / .26 ) * Density_Matter * c^2
See: www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/W.PNG
Where does spacetime warp into, if not gravitational acceleration ?
What place and time has absolutely no gravitational acceleration ?
How is it that Mass can be defined the same way as Length and Time ?
( i.e. as M, L and T oscillations of a special laser )
Already, a portable LaCoste-Romberg gravimeter can measure 10^-9 g's, and
the FINAQS project is developing atom lasers for " quantum gravimeters " which:
...may even permit a new definition of the kilogram
– at present based on the mass of a metal artefact kept in Paris –
in terms of the fundamental physical constants.
www.Finaqs.Uni-Hannover.DE/
..+.+.+....
General Relativity's ether is static ( spatial ), to wit:
The speed of light in an ideal vacuum is
the same in any local frame of reference that's in constant acceleration
( relative to some " far distant " frame ).
In " Ether and the Theory of Relativity " ( 1920 ), Einstein wrote:
TUHH.DE/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
But this ether may not be thought of as
endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media,
as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.
The idea of motion may not be applied to it.
In 1949, Einstein wrote ( in " The World As I See It " ):
EinsteinAndReligion.COM/sciencereligious.html
But the scientist is possessed by
the sense of universal causation. The future, to him, is
every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
At the loss of Einstein's close friend, late in Einstein's life, he wrote:
SpeakingOfFaith.PublicRadio.ORG/programs/einsteinsgod/unheardcuts.shtml
People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
Hawking said:
In relativity,
there is no real distinction between the space and time coordinates,
just as there is no difference between two space coordinates.
Hawking said:
In summary, the title of this essay was a question,
" Is Everything Determined ? " The answer is yes, it is.
But it might as well not be, because we can never know what is determined.
In " Is There an Alternative to the Block Universe View ? ", Petkov wrote:
Philsci-Archive.Pitt.EDU/archive/00002408/
This paper pursues two aims. First, to show that the block universe view,
regarding the universe as a timelessly existing four-dimensional world,
is the only one that is consistent with special relativity.
Second, to argue that special relativity alone can resolve
the debate on whether the world is three-dimensional or four-dimensional.
The argument advanced in the paper is that
if the world were three-dimensional
the kinematic consequences of special relativity and
more importantly the experiments confirming them would be impossible.
In Scientific American's " That Mysterious Flow " article ( Sep 2002 ),
we read:
Urgrue.ORG/lib/mysterious-flow.html
From the fixed past to the tangible present to the undecided future,
it feels as though time flows inexorably on. But that is an illusion.
In Plato.Stanford.EDU's " 4D View of Time " article, we read:
Plato.Stanford.EDU/entries/time/#8
According to The 4D View, temporally extended objects have temporal parts,
temporal extension is perfectly analogous to spatial extension...
In Wiki_Pedia's " Block Time " article, we read:
WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Block_time
Block time is one way of approaching the problem of the nature of time.
Its name is derived from its description of space-time as
an unchanging four-dimensional " block "...
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16 Jan 2007 10:53:50 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers? What on Earth makes you think they
are the same person? Do you know the difference between the UK and the US -
or is everywhere out side your padded room "out there."
can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You're a kook ! you're a kook ! you're a kook !
You are.
<snip masses of drivel>
Jeff, remind me again how we use standard candles to measure the distance to
distant large scale structures. When you have done that, remind me how the
strong force is affected by the distance between particles.
After all that, show me how you have made both of the above fit into your
idea that there are more than three spatial dimensions.
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16 Jan 2007 10:48:33 AM |
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
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Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a remailer? Do
you think mine is a remailer?
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16 Jan 2007 01:44:21 PM |
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In article <1Judnf-ptMzGgzDYnZ2dnUVZ8smonZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a remailer? Do
you think mine is a remailer?
Have a heart T. It takes all his intellect to mash his keyboard.
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a remailer?
Do
you think mine is a remailer?
Have a heart T. It takes all his intellect to mash his keyboard.
Only because he types with his forehead.
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16 Jan 2007 03:15:36 PM |
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In article <NZ6dnQeUvIdGpzDYnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@pipex.net>,
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a remailer?
Do
you think mine is a remailer?
Have a heart T. It takes all his intellect to mash his keyboard.
Only because he types with his forehead.
Fortunately for him its protruding...
--
Saucerhead lingo #2102 "However, since PTP is in reality NOT a budding
astrophysicist..." ... "Perhaps if we try distraction as a tactic people
will forget we cannot answer simple conflicting issues with our nonsense
theory"
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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16 Jan 2007 03:41:35 PM |
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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
In article <NZ6dnQeUvIdGpzDYnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> Threw-up the following for our
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a remailer?
Do
you think mine is a remailer?
Have a heart T. It takes all his intellect to mash his keyboard.
Only because he types with his forehead.
Fortunately for him its protruding...
Quit flirting with "Twiddly Wink" and come to bed, *****!
Art Deco
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16 Jan 2007 03:46:20 PM |
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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
In article <NZ6dnQeUvIdGpzDYnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
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In article <1Judnf-ptMzGgzDYnZ2dnUVZ8smonZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"honestjohn" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> Threw-up the following for
our
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a
remailer?
Do
you think mine is a remailer?
Have a heart T. It takes all his intellect to mash his keyboard.
Only because he types with his forehead.
Fortunately for him its protruding...
Quit flirting with "Twiddly Wink" and come to bed, *****!
Art Deco
It was funnier before you realised you were posting under the wrong Name.
Modifying it slightly is a bit lame.
You really must try harder.
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16 Jan 2007 04:13:10 PM |
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T Wake wrote:
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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
In article <NZ6dnQeUvIdGpzDYnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com> wrote in
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In article <1Judnf-ptMzGgzDYnZ2dnUVZ8smonZ2d@pipex.net>,
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"honestjohn" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Phew eh. Why dont you take some lessons from that Jeff.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck )
Are you unable to read USENET headers?
Lots of Ko0ks and Ko0kologists post through UK remailers. Duh?
So what? Re-read the headers and tell me if you think it is a
remailer?
Do
you think mine is a remailer?
Have a heart T. It takes all his intellect to mash his keyboard.
Only because he types with his forehead.
Fortunately for him its protruding...
Quit flirting with "Twiddly Wink" and come to bed, *****!
Art Deco
It was funnier before you realised you were posting under the wrong Name.
Just keep your hands off my *****, *****!!
Art Deco
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17 Jan 2007 05:33:21 AM |
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T Wake wrote:
<art_deco_erfc_1024@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quit flirting with "Twiddly Wink" and come to bed, *****!
Art Deco
It was funnier before you realised you were posting under the wrong Name.
Just keep your hands off my *****, *****!!
Art Deco
Which one?
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16 Jan 2007 01:28:37 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, Immediately after calling me a kook, You demanded:
Jeff, remind me again how we use standard candles to measure the distance to
distant large scale structures. When you have done that, remind me how the
strong force is affected by the distance between particles.
After all that, show me how you have made both of the above fit into your
idea that there are more than three spatial dimensions.
We don't have enough " Prior Knowns " to model a supernova ( or quarks )
as a 4-D field ( spatial time )... but that's our problem.
The cosmos is quite uneffected by such ignorance,
it still goes on being as it is... perfectly causal... only notionally random.
Fearing your fate... You _Wish_ the cosmos were genuinely random !
As I recently told Eric_Gisse... There is no " Wave-Particle Duality ".
There's just a model that varies depending on prior knowns,
e.g. temperature, energy and volts.
Near absolute zero, bosons ( e.g. photons and even large molecules )
become coherent, so we know their fequency ( i.e. momentum ), a priori.
But, being so cold ( i.e. coherent ), there's no ( statistical ) radiation
to indicate which slit the laser might've passed through...
....i.e., you can't discover that information... not even in theory.
This " Uncertainty Principle " has nothing to do with
the Absolute Certainty that the cosmos is ( everywhere and always )
truly causal ( and only falsely random, statistical ).
So, all changes ( and all choices ) are purely virtual ( i.e. not intrinsic ).
Time is truly spatial ( falsely directional ) and
" virtual life " arises from the cosmic ( i.e. eternal ) consumption
of Gibbs Free Energy. ( Note, Quantum Mechanics is also cosmic in scope )
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16 Jan 2007 01:36:54 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi T_Wake, Immediately after calling me a kook, You demanded:
Your esoteric subject line aside, you seem to have addressed this post as a
reply to one of mine. Oddly, it is not a reply but a restatement of your
nonsense.
Jeff, remind me again how we use standard candles to measure the distance
to
distant large scale structures. When you have done that, remind me how
the
strong force is affected by the distance between particles.
After all that, show me how you have made both of the above fit into your
idea that there are more than three spatial dimensions.
We don't have enough " Prior Knowns " to model a supernova ( or quarks )
as a 4-D field ( spatial time )... but that's our problem.
Did you misunderstand the question?
Did I ask how a supernova works? Why you think they can be compared to
quarks is unusual as well but I will let that one pass as I suspect it is
you trying to pretend you understand the strong nuclear force.
Now, given that _you_ have repeatedly droned on about using supernovae to
determine the distance to large scale cosmological structures, I thought you
understood the mechanism by which the distance is worked out.
Now, can we try again. I can rephrase the question in simpler terms if it
will help you.
I am not asking for you to explain how stars go nova (which is a well
explained theory in itself), I am asking how _you_ think we use the
supernovae to determine how far away the structure they are within is.
Do you know?
The cosmos is quite uneffected by such ignorance,
it still goes on being as it is... perfectly causal... only notionally
random.
Fearing your fate... You _Wish_ the cosmos were genuinely random !
You see, Jeff, not only do you understand almost nothing about physics, you
know even less about human nature. I do not "fear my fate" and I do not
"wish" the universe were random.
You are locked into the limitations of your abysmal computer coding skills
and as a result have no concept of what randomness is.
<snip irrelevance>
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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16 Jan 2007 01:43:45 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Jan_16@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
As I recently told Eric_Gisse... There is no " Wave-Particle Duality ".
There's just a model that varies depending on prior knowns,
e.g. temperature, energy and volts.
Word Salad. You'll feel right at home here in alt.astronomy
This " Uncertainty Principle " has nothing to do with
the Absolute Certainty that the cosmos is ( everywhere and always )
truly causal ( and only falsely random, statistical ).
Word Salad.
So, all changes ( and all choices ) are purely virtual ( i.e. not intrinsic ).
Time is truly spatial ( falsely directional ) and
" virtual life " arises from the cosmic ( i.e. eternal ) consumption
of Gibbs Free Energy. ( Note, Quantum Mechanics is also cosmic in scope )
Metric?
--
Saucerhead lingo #2102 "However, since PTP is in reality NOT a budding
astrophysicist..." ... "Perhaps if we try distraction as a tactic people
will forget we cannot answer simple conflicting issues with our nonsense
theory"
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16 Jan 2007 01:43:10 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Jan_16@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi T_Wake, Immediately after calling me a kook, You demanded:
Jeff, remind me again how we use standard candles to measure the distance
to
distant large scale structures. When you have done that, remind me how the
strong force is affected by the distance between particles.
After all that, show me how you have made both of the above fit into your
idea that there are more than three spatial dimensions.
We don't have enough " Prior Knowns " to model a supernova ( or quarks )
as a 4-D field ( spatial time )... but that's our problem.
You can't even answer simple questions!
--
Saucerhead lingo #2102 "However, since PTP is in reality NOT a budding
astrophysicist..." ... "Perhaps if we try distraction as a tactic people
will forget we cannot answer simple conflicting issues with our nonsense
theory"
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16 Jan 2007 12:48:37 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Jan_15@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You're a kook ! you're a kook ! you're a kook !
If time is truly a _Spatial_ dimension ( i.e. falsely directional )
then why don't all _Models_ describe it that way ?
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
1) I'm not Art you maroon - check the headers
2) You are a kook
3) Metric please.
--
Saucerhead lingo #2102 "However, since PTP is in reality NOT a budding
astrophysicist..." ... "Perhaps if we try distraction as a tactic people
will forget we cannot answer simple conflicting issues with our nonsense
theory"
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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16 Jan 2007 11:50:26 AM |
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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Jan_15@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff=C5=A0Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You're a kook ! you're a kook ! you're a kook !
If time is truly a _Spatial_ dimension ( i.e. falsely directional )
then why don't all _Models_ describe it that way ?
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
1) I'm not Art you maroon - check the headers
=20
But you love me, my little luv-duck!
Art Deco
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15 Jan 2007 10:23:30 PM |
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Hi Jeff. Double-A here.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You think they're one and the same?
You're a kook ! you're a kook ! you're a kook !
If time is truly a _Spatial_ dimension ( i.e. falsely directional )
then why don't all _Models_ describe it that way ?
As to what causes gravity, the following is how I think of it:
( from my web site, www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf )
Gravity is " caused " by mass-energy ( i.e. density and pressure )
precisely because they are one and the same.
The distinction between the two is entirely virtual, not real.
But pressure by mass or pressure by space?
In a similar manner, time is truly spatial ( i.e. falsely directional )
and all changes ( including so-called choices ) are virtual, not real.
Virtual life arises from the cosmic consumption of Gibbs Free Energy.
Dark Energy is the virtual energy " debt " incurred by
a " black hole " when it creates a " vacuum ". Likewise, Dark Matter is
the virtual energy " asset " acquired from a black hole.
" Assets = Liabilities " and the " bank " ( i.e. the cosmos )
is collecting interest, diminishing the density/pressure of our Universe.
As even Hawking now admits... there's not enough time or energy in our Universe
to form a true event horizon...
True.
Infinite gravitational acceleration
means infinite Unruh radiation... It can't happen, anywhere, ever.
Likewise, there's not enough time or energy in the Universe
to create an ideal vacuum... any gravitational field at all
means spontaneous particle creation ( i.e. Unruh radiation ).
The cosmos has no birth or death, just a limit to what we can observe.
It is starting to look more and more that way. All those galaxies,
there are "billions and billions of them", all once crammed into a
pinpoint singularity? I kind of doubt it.
Like ever-active yeast in a loaf of bread,
the cosmos expands everywhere all the time.
In 2-D, I visualise cosmological " time " as the Y axis,
and ( an ever-flat, 4-D ) Minkowskian spacetime as the X axis.
But the Y axis is " Cosmic Gravitational Deceleration, CGD ", not " time ".
" d CGD " ( a function of density and pressure ) is a slice of spacetime.
Adding up the slices forms a 5-D, horn shaped, " white hole ".
w(z) always equals -1 and Omega_Lambda is always .74 ( I posit ).
So Rho_Lambda ( and inflation ) was higher when Rho_Crit was higher.
( Because higher densities create stronger vacuums )
And: Pressure_Cosmos = - ( .74 / .26 ) * Density_Matter * c^2
See: www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/W.PNG
Where does spacetime warp into, if not gravitational acceleration ?
An acceleration of space flow could explain the warp. I'm not
convinced of this theory, but I think it's an interesting speculation
that is too quickly dismissed.
What place and time has absolutely no gravitational acceleration ?
How is it that Mass can be defined the same way as Length and Time ?
( i.e. as M, L and T oscillations of a special laser )
Already, a portable LaCoste-Romberg gravimeter can measure 10^-9 g's, and
the FINAQS project is developing atom lasers for " quantum gravimeters " which:
...may even permit a new definition of the kilogram
- at present based on the mass of a metal artefact kept in Paris -
in terms of the fundamental physical constants.
I think the day when the kilogram will be defined as a specific number
of a certain kind of atoms is coming.
www.Finaqs.Uni-Hannover.DE/
.+.+.+....
General Relativity's ether is static ( spatial ), to wit:
The speed of light in an ideal vacuum is
the same in any local frame of reference that's in constant acceleration
( relative to some " far distant " frame ).
In " Ether and the Theory of Relativity " ( 1920 ), Einstein wrote:
TUHH.DE/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
But this ether may not be thought of as
endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media,
as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.
The idea of motion may not be applied to it.
In 1949, Einstein wrote ( in " The World As I See It " ):
EinsteinAndReligion.COM/sciencereligious.html
But the scientist is possessed by
the sense of universal causation. The future, to him, is
every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
At the loss of Einstein's close friend, late in Einstein's life, he wrote:
SpeakingOfFaith.PublicRadio.ORG/programs/einsteinsgod/unheardcuts.shtml
People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
Hawking said:
In relativity,
there is no real distinction between the space and time coordinates,
just as there is no difference between two space coordinates.
Hawking said:
In summary, the title of this essay was a question,
" Is Everything Determined ? " The answer is yes, it is.
But it might as well not be, because we can never know what is determined.
In " Is There an Alternative to the Block Universe View ? ", Petkov wrote:
Philsci-Archive.Pitt.EDU/archive/00002408/
This paper pursues two aims. First, to show that the block universe view,
regarding the universe as a timelessly existing four-dimensional world,
is the only one that is consistent with special relativity.
Second, to argue that special relativity alone can resolve
the debate on whether the world is three-dimensional or four-dimensional.
The argument advanced in the paper is that
if the world were three-dimensional
the kinematic consequences of special relativity and
more importantly the experiments confirming them would be impossible.
In Scientific American's " That Mysterious Flow " article ( Sep 2002 ),
we read:
Urgrue.ORG/lib/mysterious-flow.html
From the fixed past to the tangible present to the undecided future,
it feels as though time flows inexorably on. But that is an illusion.
In Plato.Stanford.EDU's " 4D View of Time " article, we read:
Plato.Stanford.EDU/entries/time/#8
According to The 4D View, temporally extended objects have temporal parts,
temporal extension is perfectly analogous to spatial extension...
In Wiki_Pedia's " Block Time " article, we read:
WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Block_time
Block time is one way of approaching the problem of the nature of time.
Its name is derived from its description of space-time as
an unchanging four-dimensional " block "...
.....+.+.+
Still we need different devices to measure time than to measure space.
That makes me still think there is a fundamental difference.
Double-A
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16 Jan 2007 10:54:31 AM |
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"Double-A" <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote in message
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<snip>
Still we need different devices to measure time than to measure space.
That makes me still think there is a fundamental difference.
There is, but it is not simply because _we_[tinw] need different devices to
measure them.
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15 Jan 2007 10:40:16 PM |
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Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Hi Jeff. Double-A here.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You think they're one and the same?
I think you should continue whining about "support group trolling".
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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16 Jan 2007 12:51:04 AM |
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In article <150120072140162483%erfc-1024@usa.net>,
Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:
Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Hi Jeff. Double-A here.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You think they're one and the same?
I think you should continue whining about "support group trolling".
Its safe to assume AA will continue whining.
--
Saucerhead lingo #2102 "However, since PTP is in reality NOT a budding
astrophysicist..." ... "Perhaps if we try distraction as a tactic people
will forget we cannot answer simple conflicting issues with our nonsense
theory"
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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17 Jan 2007 08:55:25 PM |
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Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com> wrote:
In article <150120072140162483%erfc-1024@usa.net>,
Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:
Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Hi Jeff. Double-A here.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You think they're one and the same?
I think you should continue whining about "support group trolling".
Its safe to assume AA will continue whining.
He's just here [tinh] for the free drinks and pub munchies.
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18 Jan 2007 05:33:16 AM |
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"Art Deco" <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote in message
news:170120071955253283%erfc-1024@usa.net...
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com> wrote:
In article <150120072140162483%erfc-1024@usa.net>,
Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:
Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Hi Jeff. Double-A here.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You think they're one and the same?
I think you should continue whining about "support group trolling".
Its safe to assume AA will continue whining.
He's just here [tinh] for the free drinks and pub munchies.
You're only here for the "pud" munchies, Deco.
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18 Jan 2007 03:16:01 PM |
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honestjohn wrote:
"Art Deco" <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote in message
news:170120071955253283%erfc-1024@usa.net...
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com> wrote:
In article <150120072140162483%erfc-1024@usa.net>,
Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:
Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Hi Jeff. Double-A here.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You think they're one and the same?
I think you should continue whining about "support group trolling".
Its safe to assume AA will continue whining.
He's just here [tinh] for the free drinks and pub munchies.
You're only here for the "pud" munchies, Deco.
uhh correction. I do pud munchies too. I do horses and lions and tigers
and bears, oh my!! My name is MaxGrrl and I approved this message!
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15 Jan 2007 11:41:16 PM |
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Hi Double_A, Re: Time being intrinsically spatial, You told me:
We need different devices to measure time than to measure space.
That makes me still think there is a fundamental difference.
Time can only be _Modeled_ as a spatial dimension when
we have enough prior knowledge... but no model is an intrinsic reality.
Density/Pressure ( i.e. gravity ) warps Mass, Length and Time...
....equally... think about that. They are the 5 _Spatial_ dimensions.
Is Art_Deco Phineas the Duck ?
I think so, but I didn't spend much time looking into it.
I wrote:
Gravity is " caused " by mass-energy ( i.e. density and pressure )
precisely because they are one and the same.
The distinction between the two is entirely virtual, not real.
And you asked, " But pressure by mass or pressure by space ? "
Mass-Energy, gravity and spacetime are the same thing,
but they can't be modeled that way unless we have enough prior knowledge.
I wrote:
The cosmos has no birth or death, just a limit to what we can observe.
Abnd you replied:
It is starting to look more and more that way.
All those galaxies, there are " billions and billions of them ",
all once crammed into a pinpoint singularity ? I kind of doubt it.
They were, Cosmic Gibbs Free Energy is consumed... eternally.
The laws of thermodynamics are cosmic in scope, everything always dissipates.
From that, you get virtual life ( i.e. us, water ). As I keep saying:
Consuming more just means dying that much sooner.
wealth is relative... And money is a poor yardstick.
The cosmos is truly causal ( i.e. falsely random )...
So all changes ( including so-called choices ) are virtual ( i.e. not real ).
I wrote:
Already, a portable LaCoste-Romberg gravimeter can measure 10^-9 g's, and
the FINAQS project is developing atom lasers for " quantum gravimeters ":
www.Finaqs.Uni-Hannover.DE
[ Our gravimeters ] may even permit a new definition of the kilogram
- at present based on the mass of a metal artefact kept in Paris -
in terms of the fundamental physical constants.
And you replied:
I think the day when the kilogram will be defined as a specific number
of a certain kind of atoms is coming.
But an atom is not a " fundamental physical constant "
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16 Jan 2007 10:55:14 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Jan_15_3_@Cotse.NET...
<snip>
Density/Pressure ( i.e. gravity ) warps Mass, Length and Time...
...equally... think about that. They are the 5 _Spatial_ dimensions.
Nonsense.
Is Art_Deco Phineas the Duck ?
I think so, but I didn't spend much time looking into it.
That pretty much sums up everything you think.
<snip gibberish>
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16 Jan 2007 12:53:48 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Jan_15_3_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Double_A, Re: Time being intrinsically spatial, You told me:
We need different devices to measure time than to measure space.
That makes me still think there is a fundamental difference.
Time can only be _Modeled_ as a spatial dimension when
we have enough prior knowledge... but no model is an intrinsic reality.
Metric
--
Saucerhead lingo #2102 "However, since PTP is in reality NOT a budding
astrophysicist..." ... "Perhaps if we try distraction as a tactic people
will forget we cannot answer simple conflicting issues with our nonsense
theory"
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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15 Jan 2007 10:39:22 PM |
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JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Bill_Sheppard, I don't think you can reply to this post
because I only read Sci.Physics and you only read Alt.Astronomy
and Webtv.NET won't let you crosspost.
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
*ding*
intrinsic reality. He usually tells me something like:
You're a kook ! you're a kook ! you're a kook !
If time is truly a _Spatial_ dimension ( i.e. falsely directional )
then why don't all _Models_ describe it that way ?
As to what causes gravity, the following is how I think of it:
( from my web site, www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf )
Gravity is " caused " by mass-energy ( i.e. density and pressure )
precisely because they are one and the same.
The distinction between the two is entirely virtual, not real.
In a similar manner, time is truly spatial ( i.e. falsely directional )
and all changes ( including so-called choices ) are virtual, not real.
Virtual life arises from the cosmic consumption of Gibbs Free Energy.
Dark Energy is the virtual energy " debt " incurred by
a " black hole " when it creates a " vacuum ". Likewise, Dark Matter is
the virtual energy " asset " acquired from a black hole.
" Assets = Liabilities " and the " bank " ( i.e. the cosmos )
is collecting interest, diminishing the density/pressure of our Universe.
As even Hawking now admits... there's not enough time or energy in our Universe
to form a true event horizon... Infinite gravitational acceleration
means infinite Unruh radiation... It can't happen, anywhere, ever.
Likewise, there's not enough time or energy in the Universe
to create an ideal vacuum... any gravitational field at all
means spontaneous particle creation ( i.e. Unruh radiation ).
The cosmos has no birth or death, just a limit to what we can observe.
Like ever-active yeast in a loaf of bread,
the cosmos expands everywhere all the time.
In 2-D, I visualise cosmological " time " as the Y axis,
and ( an ever-flat, 4-D ) Minkowskian spacetime as the X axis.
But the Y axis is " Cosmic Gravitational Deceleration, CGD ", not " time ".
" d CGD " ( a function of density and pressure ) is a slice of spacetime.
Adding up the slices forms a 5-D, horn shaped, " white hole ".
w(z) always equals -1 and Omega_Lambda is always .74 ( I posit ).
So Rho_Lambda ( and inflation ) was higher when Rho_Crit was higher.
( Because higher densities create stronger vacuums )
And: Pressure_Cosmos = - ( .74 / .26 ) * Density_Matter * c^2
See: www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/W.PNG
Where does spacetime warp into, if not gravitational acceleration ?
What place and time has absolutely no gravitational acceleration ?
How is it that Mass can be defined the same way as Length and Time ?
( i.e. as M, L and T oscillations of a special laser )
Already, a portable LaCoste-Romberg gravimeter can measure 10^-9 g's, and
the FINAQS project is developing atom lasers for " quantum gravimeters " which:
...may even permit a new definition of the kilogram
at present based on the mass of a metal artefact kept in Paris
in terms of the fundamental physical constants.
www.Finaqs.Uni-Hannover.DE/
.+.+.+....
General Relativity's ether is static ( spatial ), to wit:
The speed of light in an ideal vacuum is
the same in any local frame of reference that's in constant acceleration
( relative to some " far distant " frame ).
In " Ether and the Theory of Relativity " ( 1920 ), Einstein wrote:
TUHH.DE/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html
But this ether may not be thought of as
endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media,
as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.
The idea of motion may not be applied to it.
In 1949, Einstein wrote ( in " The World As I See It " ):
EinsteinAndReligion.COM/sciencereligious.html
But the scientist is possessed by
the sense of universal causation. The future, to him, is
every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
At the loss of Einstein's close friend, late in Einstein's life, he wrote:
SpeakingOfFaith.PublicRadio.ORG/programs/einsteinsgod/unheardcuts.shtml
People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
Hawking said:
In relativity,
there is no real distinction between the space and time coordinates,
just as there is no difference between two space coordinates.
Hawking said:
In summary, the title of this essay was a question,
" Is Everything Determined ? " The answer is yes, it is.
But it might as well not be, because we can never know what is determined.
In " Is There an Alternative to the Block Universe View ? ", Petkov wrote:
Philsci-Archive.Pitt.EDU/archive/00002408/
This paper pursues two aims. First, to show that the block universe view,
regarding the universe as a timelessly existing four-dimensional world,
is the only one that is consistent with special relativity.
Second, to argue that special relativity alone can resolve
the debate on whether the world is three-dimensional or four-dimensional.
The argument advanced in the paper is that
if the world were three-dimensional
the kinematic consequences of special relativity and
more importantly the experiments confirming them would be impossible.
In Scientific American's " That Mysterious Flow " article ( Sep 2002 ),
we read:
Urgrue.ORG/lib/mysterious-flow.html
From the fixed past to the tangible present to the undecided future,
it feels as though time flows inexorably on. But that is an illusion.
In Plato.Stanford.EDU's " 4D View of Time " article, we read:
Plato.Stanford.EDU/entries/time/#8
According to The 4D View, temporally extended objects have temporal parts,
temporal extension is perfectly analogous to spatial extension...
In Wiki_Pedia's " Block Time " article, we read:
WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Block_time
Block time is one way of approaching the problem of the nature of time.
Its name is derived from its description of space-time as
an unchanging four-dimensional " block "...
.....+.+.+
Hi, Jeff-underscore-Reff, you've come to the right place, the regulars
of alt.astronomy will give you a warm bed and three-squares per day.
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15 Jan 2007 09:42:16 PM |
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"Art Deco" <erfc-1024@usa.net> Changed his Depends and whinned:
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
*ding*
Ha...ha...Art Deco busted as Gay Deco-Duck! The funny part is that we all
knew it!
C.H.J.
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| Title: Re: " The idea of motion may not be applied to [ the ether ]. ", Einstein. |
16 Jan 2007 10:55:57 AM |
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"honestjohn" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:SY2dncTPZK9GxTHYnZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@centurytel.net...
"Art Deco" <erfc-1024@usa.net> Changed his Depends and whinned:
Art_Deco ( a.k.a. Phineas the Duck ) can't distinguish models from
*ding*
Ha...ha...Art Deco busted as Gay Deco-Duck! The funny part is that we all
knew it!
Well, if that fits your level of "Knowledge" then it explains lots more.
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