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22 Feb 2004 04:16:55 PM |
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" The New Stein's Law " |
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
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| User: "Keith Stein" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
24 Feb 2004 01:42:00 AM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
Franz Heymann predicts ???
Eric Gisse predicts ???
Uncle Al predicts ???
Mr. Wormley predicts ???
Minor Crank predicts ???
The Ghost in the Machine predicts ???
keith stein predicts
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
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| User: "Paul Cardinale" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
24 Feb 2004 08:57:14 AM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<MeD_b.4749$ie6.605@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
I predict that you're too stupid to learn from ANY answer given by anyone.
Paul Cardinale
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| User: "Keith Stein" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
24 Feb 2004 09:28:43 AM |
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"Paul Cardinale" <pcardinale@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
I predict that you're too stupid to learn from ANY answer given by anyone.
Paul Cardinale
i shud be so lucky as to get ANY answer from those pig ignorant relativists
eh!
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
Franz Heymann predicts ???
Eric Gisse predicts ???
Uncle Al predicts ???
Mr. Wormley predicts ???
Minor Crank predicts ???
The Ghost in the Machine predicts ???
keith stein
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| User: "Paul Cardinale" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
25 Feb 2004 01:59:30 PM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<i4K_b.7625$ie6.3867@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Paul Cardinale" <pcardinale@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
I predict that you're too stupid to learn from ANY answer given by anyone.
Paul Cardinale
i shud be so lucky as to get ANY answer from those pig ignorant relativists
eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
The sound of vacuum leaking out of the idiot's head.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
25 Feb 2004 07:02:35 PM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<i4K_b.7625$ie6.3867@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Paul Cardinale" <pcardinale@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
I predict that you're too stupid to learn from ANY answer given by anyone.
Paul Cardinale
i shud be so lucky as to get ANY answer from those pig ignorant relativists
eh!
Paul Cardinale predicts ???
Franz Heymann predicts ???
Eric Gisse predicts ???
Uncle Al predicts ???
Mr. Wormley predicts ???
Minor Crank predicts ???
The Ghost in the Machine predicts ???
keith stein
Keith Stein predicts ???
Ghost was kind enough to make a prediction but you whine about it
saying that is not what relativity predicts. Show us what you predict
and how you got to it, then show us the data countering theory. We
will work from there.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
23 Feb 2004 01:59:18 AM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<5T9_b.311$Io4.310@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
What is the evidence supporting Stein's Law (N+1)?
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| User: "Keith Stein" |
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23 Feb 2004 02:21:26 AM |
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"Eric Gisse" <fsegg@uaf.edu> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
What is the evidence supporting Stein's Law (N+1)?
And where is the evidence supporting Einstein's Alternative to Stein's Law ?
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
The LACK OF EVIDENCE 'is evidence' of the LACK OF EVIDENCE eh!
keith stein
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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24 Feb 2004 01:26:32 PM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<OJi_b.4440$Io4.2252@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Eric Gisse" <fsegg@uaf.edu> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
What is the evidence supporting Stein's Law (N+1)?
And where is the evidence supporting Einstein's Alternative to Stein's Law ?
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
The LACK OF EVIDENCE 'is evidence' of the LACK OF EVIDENCE eh!
keith stein
Compton effect
Mossbauer effect
GPS
Particle acellerators, from compton effect to backscattering.
Binary pulsars and the orbits therein...
Just because you ignore the evidence does not mean there is none. Now,
back to the original question: Where is the evidence for Stein's Law
(N+1)?
By the way, im noticing an interesting trend by people who wail on
einstein. It is that they place their theories above einstein's, even
to the point of saying einstein's theory is an alternative to theirs
as if theirs came first.
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| User: "Keith Stein" |
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24 Feb 2004 02:12:42 PM |
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"Eric Gisse" <fsegg@uaf.edu> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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And where is the evidence supporting Einstein's Alternative to Stein's
Law ?
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
The LACK OF EVIDENCE 'is evidence' of the LACK OF EVIDENCE eh!
keith stein
Compton effect
where is the evidence supporting Einstein's Alternative to Stein's Law ?
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
If you think that the "Compton effect" is evidence in support of Einstein's
above claim,
then you are daft Mr. Gisse.
Mossbauer effect
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
If you think that the "Mossbauer effect" is evidence in support of
Einstein's above claim,
then you are daft Mr. Gisse.
GPS
Look what Einstein is claiming Mr.Gisse, " the travelled clock will be
.......SLOW "
But those clocks TRAVELLING in the GPS are claimed to run FAST eh!
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
If you think that TRAVELLING CLOCKS IN THE "GPS" running FAST
is evidence in support of Einstein's claim that travelled clocks run SLOW,
then you really daft, Mr.Gisse.
Particle acellerators, from compton effect to backscattering.
Binary pulsars and the orbits therein...
But clearly Mr. Gisse, NONE OF THEM prove this
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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25 Feb 2004 01:45:36 AM |
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<veO_b.3051$cb.2062@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Eric Gisse" <fsegg@uaf.edu> wrote in message
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"Keith Stein" <ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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And where is the evidence supporting Einstein's Alternative to Stein's
Law ?
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
The LACK OF EVIDENCE 'is evidence' of the LACK OF EVIDENCE eh!
keith stein
Compton effect
where is the evidence supporting Einstein's Alternative to Stein's Law ?
Quit being intellectually dishonest. Would you like me to go get my
Modern book and scan the pages that cover the compton effect,
specificially? I could also derive the effect for you if you like,
using SR, its in my notes.
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
If you think that the "Compton effect" is evidence in support of Einstein's
above claim,
then you are daft Mr. Gisse.
Do you know what the compton effect is?
Ill give you a hint. It has to do with a photon being a particle and a
certain conclusion drawn from SR involving photons having no mass.
Mossbauer effect
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
If you think that the "Mossbauer effect" is evidence in support of
Einstein's above claim,
then you are daft Mr. Gisse.
Do you know what the mossbauer effect is?
Ill drop you a hint. It has to do with gravitational doppler shift of
light.
GPS
Look what Einstein is claiming Mr.Gisse, " the travelled clock will be
......SLOW "
But those clocks TRAVELLING in the GPS are claimed to run FAST eh!
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
If you think that TRAVELLING CLOCKS IN THE "GPS" running FAST
is evidence in support of Einstein's claim that travelled clocks run SLOW,
then you really daft, Mr.Gisse.
Where is the evidence supporting your assertion?
Particle acellerators, from compton effect to backscattering.
Binary pulsars and the orbits therein...
But clearly Mr. Gisse, NONE OF THEM prove this
"If one of two synchronous clocks at A is moved
in a closed curve with constant velocity until
it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds,
then by the clock which has remained at rest the
travelled clock on its arrival at A will be
1/2 * t * v^2 / c^2 second slow." A.E.(1905)
But clearly, you do not even know what they are otherwise you wouldn't
say something like that.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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22 Feb 2004 04:29:03 PM |
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Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
You see yourself this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete6.jpg
The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete3.png
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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22 Feb 2004 04:44:35 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Uncle ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
keith stein
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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23 Feb 2004 02:59:51 AM |
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In sci.physics, Keith Stein
<ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote
on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:44:35 -0000
<1ha_b.468$Io4.196@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40392D2F.9C125BF3@hate.spam.net...
Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Uncle ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
keith stein
The exact amount varies as to the height of the space station
but the error would be on the order of
(4.465*10^-10 * 86400 s/day) s = 38.6 microseconds/day
(The above is the corrective factor used in GPS. This works
at the orbital height of GPS, which is 20,184 km.)
If one clock is kept for 60 days, the discrepancy would be
about 2.3 milliseconds, using these figures. The clock
brought up later would be found to be running behind.
However, because of the GR corrective factor varying in
height (and the SR corrective factor dependent on velocity,
which also varies depending on the height) it is possible
for the ground clock to actually come out *ahead* at lower
altitudes. I do not remember where the crossover point is.
The paper
http://tycho.us.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf
is a nice reference for the above corrective figures, although
does not go into details as to how the SR and GR adjustments
for GPS are actually computed.
It would be a nice, if probably unnecessary, confirmation
of the theory.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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24 Feb 2004 10:39:50 AM |
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"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:04pog1-6oa.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
In sci.physics, Keith Stein
<ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote
on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:44:35 -0000
<1ha_b.468$Io4.196@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40392D2F.9C125BF3@hate.spam.net...
Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Uncle ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
keith stein
The exact amount varies as to the height of the space station
but the error would be on the order of
(4.465*10^-10 * 86400 s/day) s = 38.6 microseconds/day
Tut! Tut! You a very long way out there Ghost,
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN GOT THE SIGN RIGHT FOR THE
RELATIVISTIC TIME DILATIONS ON THE INTERNATION
SPACE STATION
According to relativity, Clocks on the ISS should LOSE
rather than GAIN, (as the one's in the GPS are claimed to eh!).
Mind you, i do see your point Ghost. I should think that in
reality clocks on the ISS would indeed behave very similarly
to clocks on the GPS, but that's not what Einstein predicts eh!
keith stein
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In sci.physics, Keith Stein
<ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote
on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:39:50 -0000
<Y6L_b.8254$ie6.6675@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>:
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:04pog1-6oa.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
In sci.physics, Keith Stein
<ks012a2355@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote
on Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:44:35 -0000
<1ha_b.468$Io4.196@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40392D2F.9C125BF3@hate.spam.net...
Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Uncle ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
keith stein
The exact amount varies as to the height of the space station
but the error would be on the order of
(4.465*10^-10 * 86400 s/day) s = 38.6 microseconds/day
Tut! Tut! You a very long way out there Ghost,
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN GOT THE SIGN RIGHT FOR THE
RELATIVISTIC TIME DILATIONS ON THE INTERNATION
SPACE STATION
The effects are both SR and GR. The one conflicts with the other.
According to relativity, Clocks on the ISS should LOSE
rather than GAIN, (as the one's in the GPS are claimed to eh!).
There is a transition-altitude where the balance is exactly 0.
I'd have to work it out from first principles to hope to get
it right. (The SR is fairly simple. The GR gets complicated
but I probably could find assistance in Hafele & Keating's work,
as they did similar computations for their airplane test.)
Mind you, i do see your point Ghost. I should think that in
reality clocks on the ISS would indeed behave very similarly
to clocks on the GPS, but that's not what Einstein predicts eh!
I'm not sure what you think Einstein predicts. There are
two effects.
SR applies since the ISS clock is in motion, relative to Earth.
GR applies since both clocks are in distorted space.
These effects tend to cancel.
Of course the only way to get it exactly right is to actually do
the experiment.
keith stein
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It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:16:35 PM |
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Keith Stein wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40392D2F.9C125BF3@hate.spam.net...
Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Uncle ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Hey stooopid, the experiment is being run in real time 24-fold times
four (four cesium atomic clocks in old GPS satellites) or three (three
rubidum atomic clocks new GPS satellites) in orbit.
Hey stooopid, the experimnnt was done aboard the Concorde vs.
identical ground atomic clocks.
Hey stooopid, you are so fucking empirically wrong, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh.
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Keith Stein" |
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23 Feb 2004 01:24:54 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40395473.3FDAC661@hate.spam.net...
Keith Stein wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40392D2F.9C125BF3@hate.spam.net...
Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
*****, eh! Twin Paradox, eh! Atmospheric mu-meson half-life vs.
propagation distance at velocity, eh! Syncthrotron beams of
radioactive nuclei, eh! GPS satellites, eh! Fucking imbecile, eh!
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Uncle ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
Hey stooopid, the experiment is being run in real time 24-fold times
four (four cesium atomic clocks in old GPS satellites) or three (three
rubidum atomic clocks new GPS satellites) in orbit.
Are you telling us that you would expect clocks on the International
Space Station (at an altitude of only 300 km) to give identical time
dilations to those claimed for the GPS satellites (at altitude of 20,000
km )
?
Hey stooopid, the experimnnt was done aboard the Concorde vs.
identical ground atomic clocks.
Or are you telling us that you would expect clocks on the International
Space Station to give identical time dilations to those claimed on the
Concorde Uncle ?
Hey stooopid, you are so
Do you know what a QUANTITATIVE prediction is Uncle ?
If you do know, please let us have your quantitative prediction
for the difference between the two clocks when they are compared
on the International Space Station Uncle....
keith stein
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,
eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh.
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
22 Feb 2004 04:27:03 PM |
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Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
Dead on arrival.
Special Relativity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpecialRelativity.html
What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity?
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html
Physics is an experimental science, and as such the experimental basis for
any physical theory is extremely important. The relationship between
theory and experiments in modern science is a multi-edged sword:
1.It is required that the theory not be refuted by any experiment within
the theory's domain of applicability.
2.It is expected that the theory be confirmed by a number of
experiments which cover a significant fraction of the theory's
domain of applicability.
3.It is expected that the theory be confirmed by a number of
experiments which examine a significant fraction of the theory's
predictions.
Special Relativity (SR) meets all of these requirements and expectations.
There are literally hundreds of experiments which have tested SR, with
an enormous range and diversity, and the agreement between theory and
experiment is excellent. There is a lot of redundancy in these experimental
tests. There are also a lot of indirect tests of SR which are not included
here. This list of experiments is by no means complete!
Other than their sheer numbers, the most striking thing about these
experimental tests of SR is their remarkable breadth and diversity. An
important aspect of SR is its universality - it applies to all known physical
phenomena and not just to the electromagnetic phenomena it was
originally invented to explain. In these experiments you will find tests
using electromagnetic and nuclear measurements (including both strong
and weak interactions); gravitational tests are the province of General
Relativity, and are not considered here, see Experimental Tests of GR.
There are several useful surveys of the experimental basis of SR:
Y.Z.Zhang, Special Relativity and its Experimental Foundations,
World Scientific (1997).
G.Holton, "Resource Letter SRT-1 on Special Relativity Theory",
Am. J. Phys., 30 (1962), p462.
D.I.Blotkhintsev, "Basis for Special Relativity Theory Provided by
Experiments in High Energy Physics", Sov. Phys. Uspekhi, 9 (1966),
p405.
Newman et al. Phys. Rev. Lett. 40 no. 21 (1978), p1355.
Zhang's book is especially comprehensive.
Textbooks which have good summaries of the experimental basis of
relativity are:
M.Born, Einstein's theory of Relativity.
Bergmann, Introduction to the Theory of Relativity.
Moller, The Theory of Relativity.
M. von Laue, Die relativitätstheorie (in German).
Observational and Experimental Evidence Bearing on General Relativity
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html
General Relativity Tutorial
John Baez
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/gr/gr.html
Relativity on the World Wide Web
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/relativity.html
General Relativity and Cosmology FAQs
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/
Developments in General Relativity: Black Hole Singularity and Beyond
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0304052
Improved Test of General Relativity with Radio Doppler Data from the Cassini Spacecraft
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0308010
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| User: "Keith Stein" |
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| Title: Re: " The New Stein's Law " |
22 Feb 2004 04:42:59 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40392CB1.C8331142@mchsi.com...
Keith Stein wrote:
"ANY DISCREPANCY BETWEEN PREVIOUSLY SYNCRONISED CLOCKS,
WHICH CAN BE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE FINITE VELOCITY OF
THE SIGNAL CONNECTING THE CLOCKS, MUST DISAPPEAR WHENEVER
THE CLOCKS ARE ADJACENT EH! "
Dead on arrival.
What you predict for the result of the following
experiment Mr. Wormley ?
1. Synchronise two clocks
2. Take one to the International Space Station.
3. D days later take up the other.
4. Compare the two clocks on the ISS.
keith stein
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