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User:	"Henry"
Date:	25 Apr 2007 07:27:23 PM
Object:	=> Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable. Do your part to bring the real
terrorists to justice. Silence is complicity in the premeditated
murder of over 3000 U.S. citizens.
http://journalof911studies.com/letters/SzambotiSustainabilityofControlledDemolitionHypothesisfortheDestructionofTwin%20Towers.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.

User: "Stupendous Man"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 07:47:33 AM

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

I refute it and remain underwhelmed.
You are pathetic, Henry. A Yippie without the passion or the love. You have
not swayed anyone's opinion, changed anything, nor done anything for the
common good. Ever.
You are paid by the government you hate. Stop being a ***** and get a job in
the real world.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
.

User: *" US "*
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	27 Apr 2007 07:01:14 AM

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:47:33 -0700, "Stupefied Man" <bushkultie@rapetorturemurder.com>
wrote:

I refute it

No, your claim is baseless. You can't refute
anything of what I've restored below.

and remain underwhelmed.

You are overwhelmed with your fear of Iraqis
who had nothing to do with 9/11, in fact, so
severely that you abandon American ideals.
You've been manipulated. You've been led
around on the leash of your fear, rolling over
to show your yellow belly on the command
of fascist traitors who despise the USA.

...pathetic... without the passion or the love...have
not swayed anyone's opinion, changed anything, nor done anything for the
common good. Ever... hate. .. being a *****...

You're all that and more, but answer this:
Why do you hate Americans?
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:22:21 -0400, Henry <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote:

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 25, 4:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

http://journalof911studies.com/letters.html

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

Very impressive, articulate and detailed rebuttal, ya pitiful,
pus brained conspiracy kook. We see that quite often from clueless
magic fire/Super Arab conspiracy parrots. <chuckle>
Tell us how your magic fires caused WTC7's massive steel frame to
disintegrate at free fall speed and perfect symmetry, then tell
us what caused the pools of molten metal deep in the rubble of
all three demolition sites - or just spew something stupid and
run away, proving yet again that your cartoon conspiracy theory is
indefensible. <vbg>

http://journalof911studies.com/beginners.html

http://911research.wtc7.net

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 05:25:30 PM

Stupendous Man wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

I refute it and remain underwhelmed.

No, you haven't refuted anything or addressed any of the evidence
proving demolition and the Bush regime's complicity. Like most magic
fire/Super Arab conspiracy kooks, you mindlessly "attack" the messengers
while desperately avoiding any and all discussions of the hard evidence,
science, and physics related to the 9-11 demolitions. Your "mind"
is very simple, pitiful, pathetic, and predictable.
You are part of the reason our brave young soldiers are dying over
Bush's lies, greed, and hate in Iraq. You are partly to blame for
their misery and suffering, the misery and suffering of the Iraqi
People, the tragic waste of hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
taxpayer dollars, and the loss of our global respect and credibility.
http://journalof911studies.com
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.

User: "Ben Turner"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 07:31:43 AM

Eric Gisse wrote:

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

Actually, the only fruitloop here......is you. Only a complete and utter
moron would believe the government's conspiracy theory(1).
(1) disgruntled ex-CIA employee and a handful of Arabs successfully get past
US air defenses. Yeah right!
.

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 05:22:21 PM

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 25, 4:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

http://journalof911studies.com/letters.html

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

Very impressive, articulate and detailed rebuttal, ya pitiful,
pus brained conspiracy kook. We see that quite often from clueless
magic fire/Super Arab conspiracy parrots. <chuckle>
Tell us how your magic fires caused WTC7's massive steel frame to
disintegrate at free fall speed and perfect symmetry, then tell
us what caused the pools of molten metal deep in the rubble of
all three demolition sites - or just spew something stupid and
run away, proving yet again that your cartoon conspiracy theory is
indefensible. <vbg>
http://journalof911studies.com/beginners.html
http://911research.wtc7.net
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.

User: "lurker"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 07:50:11 PM

Henry wrote:

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 25, 4:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

http://journalof911studies.com/letters.html

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

Here's another link to add to your sig. file, Henry.
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html
.

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	29 Apr 2007 08:54:16 AM

lurker wrote:

Henry wrote:

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 25, 4:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

http://journalof911studies.com

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

Here's another link to add to your sig. file, Henry.
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html

Here's one for yours, ya silly, brainwashed, gullible
cartoon conspiracy kook! <vbg>
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/DCTPFA911.html
Debunking Conspiracy Theorists Paranoid Fantasies About Sept 11
Distract From the Real Issues
by Gerard Holmgren, 9 January 2003
Copyright Gerard Holmgren. Jan 9 2003.
This work may be freely copied and distributed without permission as
long as it not for commercial use. Please include the author's name, the
web address where you found it and the copyright notice.
From: EcoNews Service <econews@ecologynews.com>
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:05 PM
"Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event
there
will usually be at least one, often several wild conspiracy theories
which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix" "The Pope had John
Lennon murdered", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens replaced
Nixon with a clone", etc, etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous
and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation
to it.
So its hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned
their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is
-- sadly -- a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to
lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis. One
of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has
attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is that
it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an
evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other
than that they "hate our freedoms."
Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of
this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of
delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage
across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of
otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.
Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect
that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational
analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such
silly conspiracy theories. These crackpots even contend that the
extremist Bush regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in
organizing them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able.
Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading
on airline stocks -- linked to the CIA, the complicit behavior of Bush
on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the
firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented
proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy
theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers
somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them
around US airspace for nearly 2 hours, crashing them into important
buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it
was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do. The huge
difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more
preposterous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the
tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions."
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.

User: "Eric Gisse"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 08:11:59 PM

On Apr 26, 2:22 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
[snip loony batshit conspiracy theories]
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
.

User: *" US "*
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	27 Apr 2007 06:56:20 AM

On 26 Apr 2007 18:11:59 -0700, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi@gmail.com> whimpered:

... loony batshit ...

Exactly what do you try to tell yourself would be
Bush's excuse for lying about 9/11?
Are you too impaired, irrational with your hysteria,
to realize that you're unable to dispute the fact that
9/11 had to be an inside job?
Those who had the most ability to perpetrate 9/11,
gained the most from 9/11, and had the greatest
opportunity to perpetrate 9/11 are those who also
lie about it and attempt to obstruct investigations
of it. The Bush crime family committed treason
for Hitler throughout WWII, and it now commits
treason for PNAC.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:22:21 -0400, Henry <9/11@insidejob.gov> wrote:

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 25, 4:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

http://journalof911studies.com/letters.html

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

User: "Tim Crowley"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	27 Apr 2007 03:46:01 PM

On Apr 26, 3:22 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:

Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 25, 4:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

http://journalof911studies.com/letters.html

Go away, fruitloop. Stop posting your conspiracy theory ***** to
sci.physics - if you actually accepted science, you wouldn't still be
posting this idiocy.

Very impressive, articulate and detailed rebuttal,

It was better than you deserve you spamming moron. You're useless
except to laugh at.
.

User: "generic"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	29 Apr 2007 07:22:01 AM

On Apr 25, 5:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

No NO!!! Patriots must not read this article! Tin foil hat! TIN
FOIL HAT!!!!!!!!

Do your part to bring the real
terrorists to justice. Silence is complicity in the premeditated
murder of over 3000 U.S. citizens.

http://journalof911studies.com/letters/SzambotiSustainabilityofContro...

--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

User: "Keith Schiffner"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	29 Apr 2007 09:38:02 AM

"generic" <generic_republican@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177849321.895321.45440@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 25, 5:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

No NO!!! Patriots must not read this article! Tin foil hat! TIN
FOIL HAT!!!!!!!!

What a about realist mercenaries? Who know the implausibility of the whole line
of crap that the henrys of the world espouse.
--
Keith Schiffner
History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational
basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the
unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and
spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from
fiddling with it.
Robert Heinlein
.

User: "generic"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	29 Apr 2007 09:59:11 AM

On Apr 29, 7:38 am, "Keith Schiffner" <schis...@bresnan.net> wrote:

"generic" <generic_republi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1177849321.895321.45440@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 25, 5:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

No NO!!! Patriots must not read this article! Tin foil hat! TIN
FOIL HAT!!!!!!!!

What a about realist mercenaries? Who know the implausibility of the whole line
of crap that the henrys of the world espouse.

Right! Implausiblty!! Whatever that is! All I know is they don't
talk about controlled demlitions on NETWORK TV and that means WE
shouln't talk about it neither!
TIN FOIL HAT!!!!

--
Keith Schiffner
History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational
basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the
unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and
spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from
fiddling with it.
Robert Heinlein

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	30 Apr 2007 07:56:41 PM

generic wrote:

On Apr 25, 5:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

No NO!!! Patriots must not read this article! Tin foil hat! TIN
FOIL HAT!!!!!!!!

Magic fire conspiracy kooks sure do an amazing job of
addressing the specific facts, details, and hard evidence
of the 9-11 demolitions, don't they? You never see 'em
get stupid, mindlessly rant about time travel, their tin foil
hats, their pet moonbats, farm animals, ninja hit squads,
disdisinformation agents, glass coffe tables, beer cans,
"attack" the messengers, or avoid the tough questions.
<chuckle>
Look at the height of WTC7:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proved by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
This is what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging
infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
The 2000% reserve strength designed into the steel frames of
the towers could not possibly have been overcome by the force
of gravity alone. The fact that it was exceeded to such an
extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame offered no
measurable resistance, proves conclusively that the lower
structures were destroyed before being impacted.
From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved through
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
excellent paper on momentum transfer on this page:
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
The official conspiracy requires us to believe that falling
directly =through= the massive undamaged steel frames, including
the 47 interconnected central core columns:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proved by
the fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground
about the same time as the debris falling through the towers.
Making the government's conspiracy theory even more implausible,
is the fact that the steel at the top of the towers was over
ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged steel in the
lower section. Look at the massive core column cross section in
the bottom photo.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
The official conspiracy theory says that crushing 47 of those
columns, all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying
all the perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, and
stairways, produced about the same kinetic friction as falling
though air. That, of course, is not physically possible.
Observe the rotating and disintegrating block on the South
Tower.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp4.html
Notice that the corners are curved, as the block's internal
destruction is already taking place. If it had not been destroyed
through demolition, it would have continued to rotate and fall off
the building as an intact block. Also, notice that the block is
tilting towards the corner where it was impacted. The opposite
corner was undamaged by impact or fire, as proved by photo
evidence.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp1.html
As the top section of that tower is rotating, the high strength,
fire resistant perimeter columns on one side of the building are
being compressed, and on the opposite side, where the building
was not damaged by fire or impact, the weight above them is greatly
reduced.
Why do you think the undamaged steel perimeter frame with reduced
weight above it is exploding and collapsing at the same rate as
the fire and impact damaged side that has most of the weight of the
rotating block on it? Seems more than a little odd, doesn't it? Here's
some information on the perimeter columns.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html
Now watch the video titled, "Close-up of South Tower collapse
on this page:
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#videos
Does that look like the gradual bending and buckling of an
over heated steel frame to you? If so, what do you think is
causing those huge explosions and dust clouds that make it
look like a controlled demolition? Keep in mind that this is
at the onset of the collapse, so nothing is falling quickly
yet.
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.

User: "Tim Crowley"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	27 Apr 2007 03:44:14 PM

On Apr 25, 5:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

snicker.
Of course I had to snip some groups out. not only is the OP dumb as
dirt, he's also a spamming moron.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 06:35:57 AM

On Apr 25, 7:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Your skills and talents are wasted here. You really ought to have
your own talk show on the radio.
.

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	30 Apr 2007 08:12:25 PM

wrote:

On Apr 25, 7:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Your skills and talents are wasted here. You really ought to have
your own talk show on the radio.

Things are definitely progressing. The 9-11 Truth effort is
growing rapidly. It's really amazing how slow some folks are
to grasp concepts involving very basic physics, logic, and
reason, though. That's been a real eye opener for me. They
=simply= come undone when they're challngfed to think
logically or disucss the facts and hard evidence.
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.

User: "Turby"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 01:51:59 PM

On 28 Apr 2007 04:35:57 -0700, "tomorrow@erols.com"
<tomorrow@erols.com> wrote:

On Apr 25, 7:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Your skills and talents are wasted here. You really ought to have
your own talk show on the radio.

Can't we get back to the grassy knoll? I'm not done with that
conspiracy yet.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
.

User: "Stupendous Man"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 03:00:54 PM

Can't we get back to the grassy knoll? I'm not done with that
conspiracy yet.

Spiro T. Agnew did it.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
.

User: "proehling"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 04:37:47 PM

"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote

Spiro T. Agnew did it.

Well, yes, for a given value of "it".
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User: "Alan Moore"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 09:05:56 PM

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:51:59 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber>
wrote:

On 28 Apr 2007 04:35:57 -0700, "tomorrow@erols.com"
<tomorrow@erols.com> wrote:

On Apr 25, 7:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Your skills and talents are wasted here. You really ought to have
your own talk show on the radio.

Can't we get back to the grassy knoll? I'm not done with that
conspiracy yet.

Thanks to global warming, the grass has died, dried up and blown away.
It's all part of the cover-up.
Al Moore
DoD 734
.

User: "Steve"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 09:41:57 PM

"Alan Moore" <alan.s.moore@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4bv733psu0o0i30dq8oroedigo815scr0l@4ax.com...

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:51:59 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber>
wrote:

On 28 Apr 2007 04:35:57 -0700, "tomorrow@erols.com"
<tomorrow@erols.com> wrote:

On Apr 25, 7:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Your skills and talents are wasted here. You really ought to have
your own talk show on the radio.

Can't we get back to the grassy knoll? I'm not done with that
conspiracy yet.

Thanks to global warming, the grass has died, dried up and blown away.
It's all part of the cover-up.

What, no more ground cover?
.

User: *" US "*
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 07:34:32 AM

On 28 Apr 2007 04:35:57 -0700, "tomorrow@erols.com" <tomorrow@erols.com> wrote:

... wasted here...

You're glad Bush has made heroin more available, aren't you.
.

User: ""
Title: Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition -- but He Is Not Qualified for the Job	01 May 2007 08:41:35 PM

On Apr 25, 8:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Poor Henry, he is sooooo deluded!
The schmuk doesn't know the difference between
a structural engineer and a mechanical engineer.
A mechanical engineer builds engines and
motorized equipment. It takes both to build high-
rise elevators.
Structural engineers are responsible for the
structures only- structural steel, etc.
-- --
"My friends, be men, and fear dishonor; quit
yourselves in battle so as to win respect from one
another. Men who respect each other's good opinion
are less likely to be killed than those who do not,
but in flight there is neither gain nor glory,"
** HOMER
.

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition -- butHe IsNot Qualified for the Job	03 May 2007 09:52:57 PM

wrote:

On Apr 25, 8:27 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

Poor Henry, he is sooooo deluded!

Awesome rebuttal of the hard evidence, science, and physics,
kook. <chuckle>
Look at the height of WTC7:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11%20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proved by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
More expert analysis on the demolition of WTC7 can be found here:
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html
This is what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging
infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
As you can see, these steel framed structures suffered gradual
deformation, but nothing even remotely close to a total symmetric
and free fall speed collapse - and those fires were far hotter
and of much longer duration than the small, isolated fires in
WTC7.
Twin Towers:
The massive reserve strength designed into the steel frames of
the towers could not possibly have been overcome by the force
of gravity alone. The fact that it was exceeded to such an
extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame offered no
measurable resistance, proves conclusively that the lower
structures were destroyed before being impacted by the upper
structures.
From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved through
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
excellent paper on momentum transfer on this page:
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
The official conspiracy requires us to believe that falling
directly =through= the massive undamaged steel frames, including
the 47 interconnected central core columns:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proved by
the fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground
about the same time as the debris falling through the towers.
Making the government's conspiracy theory even more implausible,
is the fact that the steel at the top of the towers was over
ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged steel in the
lower section. Look at the massive core column cross section in
the bottom photo.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
The official conspiracy theory says that crushing 47 of those
columns, all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying
all the perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, and
stairways, produced about the same kinetic friction as falling
though air. That, of course, is not physically possible.
Observe the rotating and disintegrating block on the South
Tower.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp4.html
Notice that the corners are curved, as the block's internal
destruction is already taking place. If it had not been destroyed
through demolition, it would have continued to rotate and fall off
the building as an intact block. Also, notice that the block is
tilting towards the corner where it was impacted. The opposite
corner was undamaged by impact or fire, as proved by photo
evidence.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp1.html
As the top section of that tower is rotating, the high strength,
fire resistant perimeter columns on one side of the building are
being compressed, and on the opposite side, where the building
was not damaged by fire or impact, the weight above them is greatly
rediced.
Why do you think the undamaged steel perimeter frame with reduced
weight above it is exploding and collapsing at the same rate as
the fire and impact damaged side that has most of the weight of the
rotating block on it? Seems more than a little odd, doesn't it? Here's
some information on the perimeter columns.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html
Now watch the video titled, "Close-up of South Tower collapse
on this page:
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#videos
That is not gradual bending and buckling of an over heated steel
frame to you. The are huge explosions not unlike those we see
in a controlled demolition. Keep in mind that this is at the
onset of the collapse, so nothing is falling quickly at this
point.
More good information on 9-11 can be found here:
http://stopthelie.com/
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
.

User: ""
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 05:37:03 AM

On Apr 26, 10:27 am, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

It sure is.
Keep up the good work, Henry.
[...]
.

User: "Henry"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	30 Apr 2007 07:41:09 PM

wrote:

On Apr 26, 10:27 am, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:

The evidence proving demolition of both towers and WTC7 is
overwhelming and irrefutable.

It sure is.
Keep up the good work, Henry.

Thanks, I intend to. The more lies I see, the more truth
I'll post.
Isn't it fun to watch the magic fire conspiracy theorists
avoid the hard evidence and resort to childish rants and
juvenile personal attacks? They make their already impossible
conspiracy theory even more absurd by giving the impression
that only weak minded usenet kooks and trolls support it. <vbg>
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
.

User: *" US "*
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	28 Apr 2007 07:34:05 AM

Not even the most desperate bushworshipper can
come up with a cogent excuse for Bush lying about
9/11 as he is known to have done.
.

User: "Defendario"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 01:40:10 AM

TY for posting this valuable link.
alt.conspiracy appended to the postlist
Henry wrote:

User: "Keith Schiffner"
Title: Re: => Yet another mechanical engineer confirms WTC demolition <=	26 Apr 2007 08:59:34 AM

"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com>
SNIP
http://journalof911studies.com/letters/SzambotiSustainabilityofControlledDemolitionHypothesisfortheDestructionofTwin%20Towers.pdf
Yeah any time I want A laugh at a bunch of delusional nincompoops I read this
page...then google it and read the associated ones also. A barrel of laughs I
tell you. It's amazing we haven't given these people medals for
courage...parading their illogic, madness and folly for all to see in such a
manner.
Or simply put some people are IDIOTS on most subjects.
--
Keith Schiffner
History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational
basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the
unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and
spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from
fiddling with it.
Robert Heinlein
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