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User: "adamant"
Date: 03 Jun 2006 07:34:13 AM
Object: 9/11: now we know everything?
I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.
Black ops or no, there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the
whole business - with lots of experts coming forward to cast doubt on
the official story.
The correspondence has been rather adversarial and contumelious, just
as in the history of science. In medicine, Harvey's work on the
circulation of the blood took long to be accepted. In the case of
semicondutor properties in physics, after much confusion and
opposition, we started eventually to get applications.
In a similar, though not exactly the same way, we must now be prepared
for a period of latency. Knee-jerk reactions are giving way to doubt.
In such an important matter, I do not think it is in the gift of
anybody, however psychially gifted, to say 'the topic of 9/11 has been
exhausted'.
DougC wrote:

zookumar yelubandi wrote:

nothing new

Zook, the topic of 9/11 has been exhausted.
Were you aware that JFK's asassination was an elaborate hoax? He
ordered the men in black to stage the whole thing so he could get away.
He is still living with Marilyn Monroe in their place in Tahiti.
Doug Chandler

--
'foolsrushin.
.

User: "Alun Harford"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 10:55:06 AM
"'adamant" <dolomite8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149338053.360418.184760@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.

Black ops or no, there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the
whole business - with lots of experts coming forward to cast doubt on
the official story.

Since when does that mean we know everything about it?
The official story is a lie (and not a very good one). Knowing that still
gives you no information about what actually happened.
.
User: "foolsrushin."

Title: Re: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 12:48:53 PM
Thanks - but, once again, I reach for my Empson. I got the ironic
phrase from a friend who teaches math at an Oxbridge college when we
gave him a decent dinner a few weeks ago. 'So, now, John, we know
everything ...!' 'Indeed,' I replied. I think some forms of language do
not travel well!
--
'foolsrushin.'
Alun Harford wrote:

"'adamant" <dolomite8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149338053.360418.184760@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.

Black ops or no, there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the
whole business - with lots of experts coming forward to cast doubt on
the official story.


Since when does that mean we know everything about it?
The official story is a lie (and not a very good one). Knowing that still
gives you no information about what actually happened.

.


User: "PD"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 08:17:32 AM
'adamant wrote:

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.

Black ops or no, there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the
whole business - with lots of experts coming forward to cast doubt on
the official story.

The correspondence has been rather adversarial and contumelious, just
as in the history of science. In medicine, Harvey's work on the
circulation of the blood took long to be accepted. In the case of
semicondutor properties in physics, after much confusion and
opposition, we started eventually to get applications.

In a similar, though not exactly the same way, we must now be prepared
for a period of latency. Knee-jerk reactions are giving way to doubt.

In such an important matter, I do not think it is in the gift of
anybody, however psychially gifted, to say 'the topic of 9/11 has been
exhausted'.

You know, now that I think about it, there is something deeply
suspicious about the behavior of the Russians and the Chinese. There
seems to be a major initiative to compel its citizens to wake up and do
all their productive work while Americans are sound asleep. Since this
behavior is so widespread, there is no question in my mind that this
has been orchestrated by the oil-baron/military/government consortia in
those countries, as they are the only forces powerful enough to enforce
that pattern so systematically and ruthlessly. What's of concern, of
course, is that this is an obvious attempt to incrementally advance
their causes while our monitoring staff are reduced and less attentive.
This has been a persistent pattern now for decades at least, but nobody
seems willing to do anything about it. Major stonewalling on our side
of the pond, it appears, but the pattern is obvious when you look at
it.
The biologist who proposed preons as agents of pathologies like mad cow
disease, was laughed at and derided by his peers for decades, and it is
only now that he has been vindicated. Our persistance in pointing out
the disturbing activity pattern of the Russians and the Chinese is for
the sake of the next generation, not for our own glory or for an
appointment to a key position in America's intelligence agencies.The
story of what's really happening over there while we sleep has barely
been hinted at, let alone exhausted.
PD
.
User: "adamant"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 08:44:49 AM
Gorgeous stuff! Thanks!
<snip>

You know, now that I think about it, there is something deeply
suspicious about the behavior of the Russians and the Chinese. There
seems to be a major initiative to compel its citizens to wake up and do
all their productive work while Americans are sound asleep. Since this
behavior is so widespread, there is no question in my mind that this
has been orchestrated by the oil-baron/military/government consortia in
those countries, as they are the only forces powerful enough to enforce
that pattern so systematically and ruthlessly. What's of concern, of
course, is that this is an obvious attempt to incrementally advance
their causes while our monitoring staff are reduced and less attentive.

This has been a persistent pattern now for decades at least, but nobody
seems willing to do anything about it. Major stonewalling on our side
of the pond, it appears, but the pattern is obvious when you look at
it.

The biologist who proposed preons as agents of pathologies like mad cow
disease, was laughed at and derided by his peers for decades, and it is
only now that he has been vindicated. Our persistance in pointing out
the disturbing activity pattern of the Russians and the Chinese is for
the sake of the next generation, not for our own glory or for an
appointment to a key position in America's intelligence agencies.The
story of what's really happening over there while we sleep has barely
been hinted at, let alone exhausted.

PD

--
'foolsrushin.'
.

User: "Penn"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 08:40:24 AM
My god, I had this weird flash of insight...bear with me, I'll make it
short:
75 years from now people may say that 9/11 never happened, like the
moon landings. All the people alive today who witnessed the event will
be dead or in such small numbers they'll be dismissed by the conspiracy
theorists. Doesn't matter that hundreds of millions saw the moon
landings, they kinda...never occured. So they say. Will they say the
same about all the footage of that day?
Will this occur again with 9/11? The footage...dismissed as hoaks?
Accounts and records of the times dismissed as creations of a
government that then needed to justify war in oil-riched countries?
Governement propaganda? What?
Weird and depressing thougths...
.
User: "adamant"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 08:57:37 AM
I'll bear with you for ever, though it might turn out like the
brilliant Harvey's insight! The problem with 9/11 is the problem with
9/11. Please look at what is available: start from your premises! Try
<hhtp://thepowerhour.com> for a start.
Penn wrote:

My god, I had this weird flash of insight...bear with me, I'll make it
short:

75 years from now people may say that 9/11 never happened, like the
moon landings. All the people alive today who witnessed the event will
be dead or in such small numbers they'll be dismissed by the conspiracy
theorists. Doesn't matter that hundreds of millions saw the moon
landings, they kinda...never occured. So they say. Will they say the
same about all the footage of that day?

Will this occur again with 9/11? The footage...dismissed as hoaks?
Accounts and records of the times dismissed as creations of a
government that then needed to justify war in oil-riched countries?
Governement propaganda? What?

Weird and depressing thougths...

'foolsrushin.'
.

User: ""

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 02:21:23 PM
Penn wrote:

My god, I had this weird flash of insight...bear with me, I'll make it
short:

75 years from now people may say that 9/11 never happened, like the
moon landings. All the people alive today who witnessed the event will
be dead or in such small numbers they'll be dismissed by the conspiracy
theorists. Doesn't matter that hundreds of millions saw the moon
landings, they kinda...never occured. So they say. Will they say the
same about all the footage of that day?

Will this occur again with 9/11? The footage...dismissed as hoaks?
Accounts and records of the times dismissed as creations of a
government that then needed to justify war in oil-riched countries?
Governement propaganda? What?

Weird and depressing thougths...

In 2071 we will be as far from 9/11 as we are from Pearl Harbor now.
Does America hate the Jananese? More like embraces them, with all
their car plants all over the country. So what will 2071 bring? An
Arabic-heritage President? How quickly we forget. Especially if it's
in our favor economically to do so. And new geenrations have no stake
in past catastrophes.
.
User: "foolsrushin."

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 03:46:11 PM
This would be horrific, and it also unecessary! There is probably just
enought time left for the West to say,'Stop it, Guys!' You cannot allow
anybody to run and manage a source country from within a host country.
The road to ruin!
--
foolsrushin.'
donstockbauer@hotmail.com wrote:

Penn wrote:

My god, I had this weird flash of insight...bear with me, I'll make it
short:

75 years from now people may say that 9/11 never happened, like the
moon landings. All the people alive today who witnessed the event will
be dead or in such small numbers they'll be dismissed by the conspiracy
theorists. Doesn't matter that hundreds of millions saw the moon
landings, they kinda...never occured. So they say. Will they say the
same about all the footage of that day?

Will this occur again with 9/11? The footage...dismissed as hoaks?
Accounts and records of the times dismissed as creations of a
government that then needed to justify war in oil-riched countries?
Governement propaganda? What?

Weird and depressing thougths...


In 2071 we will be as far from 9/11 as we are from Pearl Harbor now.
Does America hate the Jananese? More like embraces them, with all
their car plants all over the country. So what will 2071 bring? An
Arabic-heritage President? How quickly we forget. Especially if it's
in our favor economically to do so. And new geenrations have no stake
in past catastrophes.

.


User: ""

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 02:32:42 PM
Penn wrote:

My god, I had this weird flash of insight...bear with me, I'll make it
short:

75 years from now people may say that 9/11 never happened, like the
moon landings. All the people alive today who witnessed the event will
be dead or in such small numbers they'll be dismissed by the conspiracy
theorists. Doesn't matter that hundreds of millions saw the moon
landings, they kinda...never occured. So they say. Will they say the
same about all the footage of that day?

Will this occur again with 9/11? The footage...dismissed as hoaks?
Accounts and records of the times dismissed as creations of a
government that then needed to justify war in oil-riched countries?
Governement propaganda? What?

The US education system has been so dumbed-down
by video games, that it will be like the second-coming of Jesus
aif ny of the entire idiot New York Metropolitan area is still
anything but a
radioactive dust pile in 75 years,


Weird and depressing thougths...

.
User: "foolsrushin."

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 03:51:17 PM
wrote:
<zips>

The US education system has been so dumbed-down
by video games, that it will be like the second-coming of Jesus
aif ny of the entire idiot New York Metropolitan area is still
anything but a
radioactive dust pile in 75 years,

Weird and depressing thougths...

Indeed, and this is most unfortunate. But bring back English and
arithmetic for a start!
'foolsrushin.'
.




User: "Igor"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 10:48:31 AM
'adamant wrote:

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.

Black ops or no, there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the
whole business - with lots of experts coming forward to cast doubt on
the official story.

The correspondence has been rather adversarial and contumelious, just
as in the history of science. In medicine, Harvey's work on the
circulation of the blood took long to be accepted. In the case of
semicondutor properties in physics, after much confusion and
opposition, we started eventually to get applications.

In a similar, though not exactly the same way, we must now be prepared
for a period of latency. Knee-jerk reactions are giving way to doubt.

In such an important matter, I do not think it is in the gift of
anybody, however psychially gifted, to say 'the topic of 9/11 has been
exhausted'.

DougC wrote:

zookumar yelubandi wrote:

nothing new

Zook, the topic of 9/11 has been exhausted.
Were you aware that JFK's asassination was an elaborate hoax? He
ordered the men in black to stage the whole thing so he could get away.
He is still living with Marilyn Monroe in their place in Tahiti.
Doug Chandler

--
'foolsrushin.

Yeah, there must have been Iraqi's flying those airliners into the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Why else would we be fighting in
that country?
.
User: "foolsrushin."

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 12:34:54 PM
I said start from your premises - not finish with them! Anyway, you are
a sight better than 'Dumbass: I'll bet he thought I was calling him a
dumb *****, hough maybe, maybe not!
--
foolsrushin.'
Igor wrote:

'adamant wrote:

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.

Black ops or no, there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the
whole business - with lots of experts coming forward to cast doubt on
the official story.

The correspondence has been rather adversarial and contumelious, just
as in the history of science. In medicine, Harvey's work on the
circulation of the blood took long to be accepted. In the case of
semicondutor properties in physics, after much confusion and
opposition, we started eventually to get applications.

In a similar, though not exactly the same way, we must now be prepared
for a period of latency. Knee-jerk reactions are giving way to doubt.

In such an important matter, I do not think it is in the gift of
anybody, however psychially gifted, to say 'the topic of 9/11 has been
exhausted'.

DougC wrote:

zookumar yelubandi wrote:

nothing new

Zook, the topic of 9/11 has been exhausted.
Were you aware that JFK's asassination was an elaborate hoax? He
ordered the men in black to stage the whole thing so he could get away.
He is still living with Marilyn Monroe in their place in Tahiti.
Doug Chandler

--
'foolsrushin.


Yeah, there must have been Iraqi's flying those airliners into the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Why else would we be fighting in
that country?

.


User: "Elvis Presley"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 06:50:40 PM
I knew it from the moment it happened. There was no question.
Big Oil Industry, and Big Weapons Industry was about to bilk America of
billions of dollars.
I too take my guess at possible line item things.. like the planes possibly
being flown by computers, because the US governement did something similar
with Korean Airlines flight 007, in which some 260 people lost their lives.
That pilot thought he was flying somewwhere else, because his instruments
had been rigged. An AWACS plane was 1 hour away, orchestrating the event.
So why the hell would the good ol US of A kill so many people ? To tease
the russians ?
The MX missle program was passed before congress two weeks later, thats why.
Recall that the Korean Air Lines was actually set up long ago and is run by
the CIA until this day.
From Peal Harbor to The Gulf of Tonkin, it's all the same *****.
The US government is more evil than Hitler ever was, and the only course of
action is to bring this ***** system to a grinding halt, and deal it a
death blow from which is will never recover... well don't worry kids, that
wont be necessary. We can just sit back and watch, through economic
"voodoo" and poor planning (cheif US export is weapons, thus war) they are
digging their own graves, though many good people could end up having to
share that grave with them.
The easiest part to figure out, kids, is with billions of dollars in the
kitty, you can be damn sure that someone somewhere will pull stunts. Stunts
like 9/11. Stunts like
nuking an american city, with a bomb paid for with American tax money,
dropped by an American, in an American plane, by the US Air Force.. if that
doesnt happen that it would be some equivalent stunt. in order to instill
the fear in americans to pay for the next war. It has to self destruct at
some point, it's not only unsustainable, stupid, and stark-raving mad.. it
just doesn't add up on paper.
It's in the philosophy. If north korea advanced, the us was going to nuke
the bridge.. even though the city of Seule, South Korea (sp?) was only 5
miles away.
Do you think the USA had any interest in protecting S. Koreans if they would
kill them to save them? No, its about domination and wealth.
Like I said, the USA government makes Hitler look like a mischeivous
schoolboy.
...and we sit on our respective asses waiting for ww III, is if that reward
justified the means.
.
User: "foolsrushin"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 08:05:44 PM
Dearest Guys,
I fear I have to side with Mr. Presley in what follows, at least as
regards policy! It is tragic that so much Ameican taxpayer's money is
spent creating mayhem. Now, the Marines, whose job is to break things
and kill people, are supposed to read Snow White or something. Golly!
Doesn't 'excuse' anything - but explains a lot! Put a lot of guys who
are wired for war, yet ambiguously, a sort of police, and what do you
get? Confusion! As regards the BS that they could not help a real
democratic process along, BS! They are Americans. Goats... . What
America ought to do is spend money to improve things, instead of
putting its primary force in an impossible position. I don't know what
they did or didn't do, but if they feel abused and manipulated, they
are probably right!
America, at least, needs a good public relations officer!
Elvis Presley wrote:

I knew it from the moment it happened. There was no question.

Big Oil Industry, and Big Weapons Industry was about to bilk America of
billions of dollars.

I too take my guess at possible line item things.. like the planes possibly
being flown by computers, because the US governement did something similar
with Korean Airlines flight 007, in which some 260 people lost their lives.
That pilot thought he was flying somewwhere else, because his instruments
had been rigged. An AWACS plane was 1 hour away, orchestrating the event.
So why the hell would the good ol US of A kill so many people ? To tease
the russians ?

The MX missle program was passed before congress two weeks later, thats why.
Recall that the Korean Air Lines was actually set up long ago and is run by
the CIA until this day.

From Peal Harbor to The Gulf of Tonkin, it's all the same *****.

The US government is more evil than Hitler ever was, and the only course of
action is to bring this ***** system to a grinding halt, and deal it a
death blow from which is will never recover... well don't worry kids, that
wont be necessary. We can just sit back and watch, through economic
"voodoo" and poor planning (cheif US export is weapons, thus war) they are
digging their own graves, though many good people could end up having to
share that grave with them.

The easiest part to figure out, kids, is with billions of dollars in the
kitty, you can be damn sure that someone somewhere will pull stunts. Stunts
like 9/11. Stunts like
nuking an american city, with a bomb paid for with American tax money,
dropped by an American, in an American plane, by the US Air Force.. if that
doesnt happen that it would be some equivalent stunt. in order to instill
the fear in americans to pay for the next war. It has to self destruct at
some point, it's not only unsustainable, stupid, and stark-raving mad.. it
just doesn't add up on paper.

It's in the philosophy. If north korea advanced, the us was going to nuke
the bridge.. even though the city of Seule, South Korea (sp?) was only 5
miles away.
Do you think the USA had any interest in protecting S. Koreans if they would
kill them to save them? No, its about domination and wealth.

Like I said, the USA government makes Hitler look like a mischeivous
schoolboy.

..and we sit on our respective asses waiting for ww III, is if that reward
justified the means.

--
'foolsrushin.'
.
User: "Elvis Presley"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 06 Jun 2006 10:01:58 PM
Dear Friends,
Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered? No more coal, no more oil, no more nuclear, no more gas..
for electric power production. 100% solar and 100% paid for in 6 years
time. During it's 15 year expected useful life, it would pay for itself
more than twice. It would be like god writing the usa a check for some 2.5
trillion dollars, no strings attached. Some bonus
Of course the implications for unemployment are obvious.
Every time a bomb is built it's like burning money.... so u.s. corporate
greed will continue to drive this insanity.. now check out the consequences.
We give them xx tax dollars, they make the bomb and put xx/2 in the bank,
killing people to keep it all going... could we instead give the bastards
xx/2 and call off the killing, saving money AND lives? If I gave you
$1000 a year, wouldnt you like it .. in cash or social services ? Wouldn't
you like to live in a society that doesnt jail THE GREATEST PORTION OF IT'S
OWN PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ???
China, or some country, will eventually catch on an do it themselves.
Imagine trying to compete in the global market with a country that gets
billions of dollars of energy FREE
every year. Sounds impossible ? Damn straight it's impossible.
Your grandchildren will belong to a slave colony run by China, not the u.s.
government like it is today.
Obviously the outlook would be even better with wind power.
Every drop of oil, every wisp of gas, every lump of coal, every gust of
wind, every word I speak or type, IS POWERED BY THE SUN !!! For those with
computers but no brain, the sun grew the plants that fed the dinosaurs, and
grows the plants the we eat, or the animals that we eat. It grows the
plants that are pressed into coal, etc..blah blah
1000 watts per square meter kids, but somewhat less on closer observation.
Cutting out the middleman and getting it straight from the sun.. that is
sustainable.
If our government cannot support this, well then it isn't our government
now is it..not at all, it never was. No government that murders millions of
vietnamese for the sake of drug trafficking profits will EVER be my
government. No government that murders Iraqis for oil profits, Iraqis =
people just like you and me, will EVER be my government. NEVER. I accept
no apologies from bastards of this order.
The u.s. military-congressional-oil corporate complex is rapidly digging
it's own grave.. well good enough, it saves us the trouble. Now there is a
grave worth pissing on.
So, now you know everything. Satisfied ?
If you're not satisfied, try this; Put a spade bit into an electric drill.
Take a congresman, drop his drawers, bend him over and ram the bit deep into
his slimey netherparts, and give it good spin. Hope that helps.
.
User: "Robert Weldon"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 07 Jun 2006 04:05:29 PM
"Elvis Presley" <gegallo@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jbGdnZW6X5w73BvZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com...

Dear Friends,

Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut
the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered? No more coal, no more oil, no more nuclear, no more gas..
for electric power production. 100% solar and 100% paid for in 6 years
time. During it's 15 year expected useful life, it would pay for itself
more than twice. It would be like god writing the usa a check for some
2.5
trillion dollars, no strings attached. Some bonus

Of course the implications for unemployment are obvious.

I question your numbers an the budget, but my main query is this: where are
you planning on putting all those solar panels, one central location, I am
guessing the midwest, or a distributed system? Both have logistics and
distribution issues, and the centralized version would cover a huge area.
What happens when the weather is bad? or at night?
.
User: "The Natural Philosopher"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 08 Jun 2006 03:47:15 AM
Robert Weldon wrote:

"Elvis Presley" <gegallo@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jbGdnZW6X5w73BvZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com...

Dear Friends,

Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut
the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered? No more coal, no more oil, no more nuclear, no more gas..
for electric power production. 100% solar and 100% paid for in 6 years
time. During it's 15 year expected useful life, it would pay for itself
more than twice. It would be like god writing the usa a check for some
2.5
trillion dollars, no strings attached. Some bonus

Of course the implications for unemployment are obvious.


I question your numbers an the budget, but my main query is this: where are
you planning on putting all those solar panels, one central location, I am
guessing the midwest, or a distributed system?

#
I'd say bang next to the hoover dam, in the desert...already hydro
electric, so grid is there, and naff all else to compete with..and it
never rains, and the shade underneath might be handy for certain
crops...especially using some water from the lake..
Both have logistics and

distribution issues, and the centralized version would cover a huge area.
What happens when the weather is bad? or at night?

The weather never is bad, or is always bad, depending on how you see it,
in the Mojave desert.


.


User: "Alan Morgan"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 07 Jun 2006 12:14:51 AM
In article <jbGdnZW6X5w73BvZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Elvis Presley <nospam@spam.spam> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered?

Really? Where are you getting those numbers? The US military budget
in 1980 was 133 billion. Now it's about 400 billion (as a percentage
of GDP, this is slightly lower). 133 billion in inflation adjusted
dollars is, I think, around $340 billion. So we'll save $60 billion
a year. Over 6 years, $360 billion.
Electrical power consumption in the US is 434 GW. At $4/watt, this
would require $1.6 trillion dollars. Doing the calculation another
way, I read that we'd need a grid about 100 square miles to supply
our electricity needs. At around $100/m^2 (that's generous. It's
about $400/m^2 now) you get about $2.5 trillion. You can twiddle
the numbers, but we are talking trillions.
I'm not seeing trillions from cutting defense.
I'm also wondering where you were planning on putting 100 square miles
of solar cells. And where we are going to get the refined silicon.
Alan
--
Defendit numerus
.
User: "grunt"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 09 Jun 2006 07:11:15 PM
Alan Morgan wrote:

In article <jbGdnZW6X5w73BvZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Elvis Presley <nospam@spam.spam> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered?


Really? Where are you getting those numbers? The US military budget
in 1980 was 133 billion. Now it's about 400 billion (as a percentage

No, it was 10 billion. You're off by an order of magnitude. I was out
petitioning
against a 30% increase during peacetime before it went up to $13
billion
My math can be off, but i looked up all the numbers when i did the
research at us government publications on energy consumption... and
further steps.. what I was saying was in effect true, plus or minus a
year or two
of GDP, this is slightly lower). 133 billion in inflation adjusted

dollars is, I think, around $340 billion. So we'll save $60 billion
a year. Over 6 years, $360 billion.

Electrical power consumption in the US is 434 GW. At $4/watt, this
would require $1.6 trillion dollars. Doing the calculation another
way, I read that we'd need a grid about 100 square miles to supply
our electricity needs. At around $100/m^2 (that's generous. It's
about $400/m^2 now) you get about $2.5 trillion. You can twiddle
the numbers, but we are talking trillions.

I'm not seeing trillions from cutting defense.

I'm also wondering where you were planning on putting 100 square miles
of solar cells. And where we are going to get the refined silicon.

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

.

User: "grunt"

Title: Re: now we know everything? 09 Jun 2006 07:11:27 PM
Alan Morgan wrote:

In article <jbGdnZW6X5w73BvZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Elvis Presley <nospam@spam.spam> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered?


Really? Where are you getting those numbers? The US military budget
in 1980 was 133 billion. Now it's about 400 billion (as a percentage

No, it was 10 billion. You're off by an order of magnitude. I was out
petitioning
against a 30% increase during peacetime before it went up to $13
billion
My math can be off, but i looked up all the numbers when i did the
research at us government publications on energy consumption... and
further steps.. what I was saying was in effect true, plus or minus a
year or two
of GDP, this is slightly lower). 133 billion in inflation adjusted

dollars is, I think, around $340 billion. So we'll save $60 billion
a year. Over 6 years, $360 billion.

Electrical power consumption in the US is 434 GW. At $4/watt, this
would require $1.6 trillion dollars. Doing the calculation another
way, I read that we'd need a grid about 100 square miles to supply
our electricity needs. At around $100/m^2 (that's generous. It's
about $400/m^2 now) you get about $2.5 trillion. You can twiddle
the numbers, but we are talking trillions.

I'm not seeing trillions from cutting defense.

I'm also wondering where you were planning on putting 100 square miles
of solar cells. And where we are going to get the refined silicon.

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

.

User: "foolsrushin."

Title: Re: now we know everything? 09 Jun 2006 09:04:18 PM
You'd need a Cray computer and thousand clever guys doing comparative
programmning to get behind the statistics of even a small country,
never mind the USA, even if you could get the data for assets minus
liabilities. One thing is clear, though, that it is not a good idea to
seize the fortuitious assets of people who live in the Middle East to
balance the budget. It is also silly to create an ambigious role for
the Marines or anybody else whereby they have no identifiable enemy
and, literally, don't know what or who to shoot at. One must suppose
they could not be trusted to walk their kids to school or help an
unsighted person across a busy road. Shame!
--
'foolsrushin.'
Alan Morgan wrote:

In article <jbGdnZW6X5w73BvZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Elvis Presley <nospam@spam.spam> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Regarding wasting money, I can't resist.. did you know that if we cut the
US military budget back to 1980 levels plus inflation, that within
6 years time the entire united states electrical power needs could be 100%
solar powered?


Really? Where are you getting those numbers? The US military budget
in 1980 was 133 billion. Now it's about 400 billion (as a percentage
of GDP, this is slightly lower). 133 billion in inflation adjusted
dollars is, I think, around $340 billion. So we'll save $60 billion
a year. Over 6 years, $360 billion.

Electrical power consumption in the US is 434 GW. At $4/watt, this
would require $1.6 trillion dollars. Doing the calculation another
way, I read that we'd need a grid about 100 square miles to supply
our electricity needs. At around $100/m^2 (that's generous. It's
about $400/m^2 now) you get about $2.5 trillion. You can twiddle
the numbers, but we are talking trillions.

I'm not seeing trillions from cutting defense.

I'm also wondering where you were planning on putting 100 square miles
of solar cells. And where we are going to get the refined silicon.

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

.





User: "Never anonymous Bud"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 10:20:26 AM
On 3 Jun 2006 05:34:13 -0700, "'adamant" <dolomite8@hotmail.com> wrote:

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.

Dumbass.
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User: "foolsrushin."

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 11:30:45 AM
Never anonymous Bud wrote:

On 3 Jun 2006 05:34:13 -0700, "'adamant" <dolomite8@hotmail.com> wrote:

I do not know how the contradictions and paradoxes of 9/11 can be
resolved, though when John F. Kennedy was shot, there was nothing like
the evidence we have now, and the actors were cut short before they
could speak.


Dumbass.

Yes - but what is your point?
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User: ""

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 07:58:16 AM
Re: 9/11: now we know everything?
***************
Wow! So you mean that because 9/11 occurred we now have complete
knowledge of all aspects of the Universe! The Age of Aquarius is upon
us! Thank you, our Non-existent God!
.
User: "adamant"

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 08:12:33 AM
Try Empson's 'Seven Types of Ambiguity'!
donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:

Re: 9/11: now we know everything?

***************

Wow! So you mean that because 9/11 occurred we now have complete
knowledge of all aspects of the Universe! The Age of Aquarius is upon
us! Thank you, our Non-existent God!

--
'foolsrushin.'
.
User: ""

Title: Re: 9/11: now we know everything? 03 Jun 2006 02:15:16 PM
I find his work to be too polysemous.
************
'adamant wrote:

Try Empson's 'Seven Types of Ambiguity'!

donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:

Re: 9/11: now we know everything?

***************

Wow! So you mean that because 9/11 occurred we now have complete
knowledge of all aspects of the Universe! The Age of Aquarius is upon
us! Thank you, our Non-existent God!


--
'foolsrushin.'

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