| Topic: |
Science > Physics |
| User: |
"Ian Macmillan" |
| Date: |
11 Oct 2005 07:23:56 AM |
| Object: |
A Gedinghyn experiment |
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
.
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 07:24:13 AM |
|
|
Does anyone have a problem with this?
********
Nope. Whatever turns you on.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Uncle Al" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 01:44:24 PM |
|
|
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
2) Hey stooopid, homogeniety of time and Noether's theorem.
3) Hey stooopid, if the Navy doesn't do it then it is too stupid for
words.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
|
|
|
| User: "Richard Tobin" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 06:19:11 PM |
|
|
In article <434C0808.F1A91399@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
It was clearly meant as a pun.
-- Richard
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bob Cain" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
12 Oct 2005 01:33:17 AM |
|
|
Richard Tobin wrote:
In article <434C0808.F1A91399@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
It was clearly meant as a pun.
I think so too but damned if I can figure it out. :-/
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Richard Herring" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
12 Oct 2005 05:13:53 AM |
|
|
In message <434C0808.F1A91399@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
I think he knows that. It's a joke. J.O.K.E. danken -> dinghy.
You're losing it.
2) Hey stooopid, homogeniety of time and Noether's theorem.
If you mean conservation of momentum, say so. Invoking Noether doesn't
impress, particularly when you get the wrong symmetry. Time <-> energy,
translation <-> momentum.
Suck in water from all directions, throw it out in one direction.
Reaction, momentum conserved, forward motion. Noether wouldn't even
blink.
3) Hey stooopid, if the Navy doesn't do it then it is too stupid for
words.
And you think they don't?
--
Richard Herring
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
12 Oct 2005 04:44:00 AM |
|
|
In article <5TIvSTDhHOTDFwoJ@baesystems.com>,
Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
<snip>
I think he knows that. It's a joke. J.O.K.E. danken -> dinghy.
Aw, rats. I missed that one.
<snip>
/BAH
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
12 Oct 2005 05:27:38 AM |
|
|
In article <5TIvSTDhHOTDFwoJ@baesystems.com>, Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
In message <434C0808.F1A91399@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
I think he knows that. It's a joke. J.O.K.E. danken -> dinghy.
You're losing it.
2) Hey stooopid, homogeniety of time and Noether's theorem.
If you mean conservation of momentum, say so. Invoking Noether doesn't
impress, particularly when you get the wrong symmetry. Time <-> energy,
translation <-> momentum.
Suck in water from all directions, throw it out in one direction.
Reaction, momentum conserved, forward motion. Noether wouldn't even
blink.
3) Hey stooopid, if the Navy doesn't do it then it is too stupid for
words.
And you think they don't?
They probably don't, since the idea is not very efficient. With few
one directional flaps you can convert it into "suck water from mostly
forward direction, throw it out in backward direction. Already much
better.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
.
|
|
|
| User: "Richard Herring" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
12 Oct 2005 05:39:12 AM |
|
|
In message <uy53f.2$25.88@news.uchicago.edu>,
writes
In article <5TIvSTDhHOTDFwoJ@baesystems.com>, Richard Herring
<junk@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
In message <434C0808.F1A91399@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
I think he knows that. It's a joke. J.O.K.E. danken -> dinghy.
You're losing it.
2) Hey stooopid, homogeniety of time and Noether's theorem.
If you mean conservation of momentum, say so. Invoking Noether doesn't
impress, particularly when you get the wrong symmetry. Time <-> energy,
translation <-> momentum.
Suck in water from all directions, throw it out in one direction.
Reaction, momentum conserved, forward motion. Noether wouldn't even
blink.
3) Hey stooopid, if the Navy doesn't do it then it is too stupid for
words.
And you think they don't?
They probably don't, since the idea is not very efficient. With few
one directional flaps you can convert it into "suck water from mostly
forward direction, throw it out in backward direction. Already much
better.
True, provided you can add those flaps. I was thinking more of the
low-tech process called "underwater swimming".
--
Richard Herring
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
12 Oct 2005 11:40:40 AM |
|
|
In article <lCE4WAHQfOTDFwqg@baesystems.com>, Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
In message <uy53f.2$25.88@news.uchicago.edu>,
writes
In article <5TIvSTDhHOTDFwoJ@baesystems.com>, Richard Herring
<junk@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
In message <434C0808.F1A91399@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
1) Hey stooopid, "Gedankenexperiment."
I think he knows that. It's a joke. J.O.K.E. danken -> dinghy.
You're losing it.
2) Hey stooopid, homogeniety of time and Noether's theorem.
If you mean conservation of momentum, say so. Invoking Noether doesn't
impress, particularly when you get the wrong symmetry. Time <-> energy,
translation <-> momentum.
Suck in water from all directions, throw it out in one direction.
Reaction, momentum conserved, forward motion. Noether wouldn't even
blink.
3) Hey stooopid, if the Navy doesn't do it then it is too stupid for
words.
And you think they don't?
They probably don't, since the idea is not very efficient. With few
one directional flaps you can convert it into "suck water from mostly
forward direction, throw it out in backward direction. Already much
better.
True, provided you can add those flaps. I was thinking more of the
low-tech process called "underwater swimming".
Hmm, yes, that fits the description.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Mark Martin" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 09:26:32 AM |
|
|
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
The first question to ask is, in what way do you know that this
actually happens? This is not the sort of thing which is best handled
as a thought experiment.
-Mark Martin
.
|
|
|
| User: "Richard Herring" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 09:51:02 AM |
|
|
In message <1129040791.976836.73430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Mark
Martin <qed100@hotmail.com> writes
Ian Macmillan wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
The first question to ask is, in what way do you know that this
actually happens? This is not the sort of thing which is best handled
as a thought experiment.
It's Feynman's lawn sprinkler in a slightly different guise.
--
Richard Herring
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 09:39:09 AM |
|
|
In article <434bae58@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, "Ian Macmillan" <iandmac@tpg.com.au> writes:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
Nope. Should work.
You might consider making the cylinder double-acting. Vent the front
side of the cylinder to the rear as well. Now you get propulsion on
both the forward stroke and the return stroke.
And you might consider valving the system so that one rearward orifice
is dedicated to exhaust and the other to input.
Then you might consider moving the input orifice up forward.
And you might consider using a turbine instead of a recriprocating
pump.
But then you'd have a Jet Ski instead of a dinghy.
John Briggs
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 09:00:05 AM |
|
|
In sci.physics, Ian Macmillan
<iandmac@tpg.com.au>
wrote
on Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:23:56 +1000
<434bae58@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
Power source?
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Helmut Wabnig EmailAddress" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 09:15:46 AM |
|
|
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:23:56 +1000, "Ian Macmillan"
<iandmac@tpg.com.au> wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
hat does GEDINGHYN mean?
w.
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 09:20:05 AM |
|
|
[w]hat does GEDINGHYN mean?
I'm pretty sure it's a mangling of: "gedanken".
From: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/g/gedanken.html
" `Gedanken' is a German word for `thought'. A thought experiment is
one you carry out in your head."
Cheers,
Geoff S.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: A Gedinghyn experiment |
11 Oct 2005 08:32:06 AM |
|
|
In article <r7ink15msaede4219frksdlr2bvnc8ngjs@4ax.com>,
Helmut Wabnig <EmailAddress> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:23:56 +1000, "Ian Macmillan"
<iandmac@tpg.com.au> wrote:
A dinghy is fitted with a long horizontal cylinder with an open end below
the waterline at the stern. The cylinder has a piston that reciprocates
to alternately suck in and expel water.
The dinghy is propelled forward.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
All the best
Ian Macmillan
hat does GEDINGHYN mean?
Is that a polite way of telling somebody he sneezed in your
face?
/BAH
.
|
|
|
|
|

|
Related Articles |
|
|