Science > Physics > A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
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A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
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21 Aug 2006 03:06:35 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:jXmGg.146092$1i1.73595@attbi_s72...
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
[hanson]
Sam, you are an alright-guy, especially for posting the
many science-news things, including the gem above.
...... ahahahhaha.... a gem, because NASA asserts
that from 2 tiny, tiny differently colored pixel spots on
one of their telescopes->computer generated images,
from an event that captured a static situation of eons ago
they have "scientifically" concluded that the today's
basic distillates of physics knowledge are wrong...
HEAVY!... ahahahaha... ahahahahaha...
Theses astrophysicists are beginning to live in cloud 9
and have begun to use, relate and promote the same
tactics which paleo/archeo-anthropologists employ
after/when they find a tiny piece of fossilized bone, then
telling us & swearing by, in cold blood, enthusiastically
that the bone was from a 8 year old girl who died on
Tuesday, 12th Feb in the year 3'024'659 BC, because
of a fatal hemorrhage that was perpetrated onto her head
(still missing) by the clan's shaman who hallucinated since
he ate too many mushrooms resulting in his assault on
her and was not stopped nor prevented by her grandmother
who was sitting 3.785 yards away, not paying any attention
but chewing on mastodon jerky, while observing the union
negations of tribe's child-protective services who were on strike...
Caveat: Such types of reports are great, lovable stories and
keen phantasms, in contrast to the ever-depressing news
of the day. Carry on, Sam... ahahaha... Thanks again, Sam!
ahahaha... ahahanson
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| User: "Math Freak" |
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21 Aug 2006 05:26:50 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:06:35 GMT, hanson wrote:
the same
tactics which paleo/archeo-anthropologists employ
after/when they find a tiny piece of fossilized bone, then
telling us & swearing by, in cold blood, enthusiastically
that the bone was from a 8 year old girl who died on
Tuesday, 12th Feb in the year 3'024'659 BC, because
of a fatal hemorrhage that was perpetrated onto her head
(still missing) by the clan's shaman who hallucinated since
he ate too many mushrooms resulting in his assault on
her and was not stopped nor prevented by her grandmother
who was sitting 3.785 yards away, not paying any attention
but chewing on mastodon jerky, while observing the union
negations of tribe's child-protective services who were on strike...
Hehe :) And this is one side of the picture/coin. The
other side is that the same Western researchers miss
the most obvious truth behind most ordinary items they
find in their diggings. This is a Westerner's malady
Hassan. Admit it. You included.
--
"peydA kardane ellate divAnegiye ashkhAs kAre AsAni
nist."
- Bozorg Alavi
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| User: "hanson" |
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21 Aug 2006 10:31:00 PM |
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Mehram Maleki aka "Math Freak" <MathFreak@FakeAddress.com>
w/i news:18ylc11mu3pbk.i75powwwrqug$.dlg@40tude.net...
[hanson]
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:06:35 GMT, hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/c8fae021538fc734
astrophysicists are beginning to use the same
tactics which paleo/archeo-anthropologists employ
after/when they find a tiny piece of fossilized bone, then
telling us & swearing by, in cold blood, enthusiastically
that the bone was from a 8 year old girl who died on
Tuesday, 12th Feb in the year 3'024'659 BC, because
of a fatal hemorrhage that was perpetrated onto her head
(still missing) by the clan's shaman who hallucinated since
he ate too many mushrooms resulting in his assault on
her and was not stopped nor prevented by her grandmother
who was sitting 3.785 yards away, not paying any attention
but chewing on mastodon jerky, while observing the union
negations of tribe's child-protective services who were on strike...
[Mehram]
Hehe :) And this is one side of the picture/coin. The
other side is that the same Western researchers miss
the most obvious truth behind most ordinary items they
find in their diggings. This is a Westerner's malady [1]
Hassan. Admit it. You included.
[hanson]
WOW..., How stupid can you get, Mehram? When Hassan's
agents of the Hezbollahalalalala hear your denigrations and
blasphemy against their hero Hassan, they will come looking
for you and make you take your last warm *****, dude.
Don't be so careless, Mehram. These are not normal times we
live in these days. You better start looking to the source of all
evil: Jerusalem. Now, Mehram, where does your Johnny-come-
lately-Bible, the Koran, say that you have to become even more
fucked up and more evil then they are?.... ahahahaha....
[Mehram]
"peydA kardane ellate divAnegiye ashkhAs kAre AsAni
nist." - Bozorg Alavi [2]
[hanson]
Mehram, you are really into Islamic porn above, [2] disguising it
under the cloak of religion. This is an Islamic malady in contrast
[1]... ahahaha... Me not missing ordinary items such a your [2]
shall give you the proper spelling, for the whole world to see.
It says:
"Mehram's paid a hardon fellate divine negative ash as kack
anilingiust to Bozo's organ, lavishly"... WOW, ain't you a little
old man-*****, Mehram... Do you do this for lust or money?
Thanks for the laughs, old fart,.... ahahaha...
ahahaha...ahahanson
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| User: "Math Freak" |
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26 Aug 2006 07:05:42 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:31:00 GMT, hanson wrote:
[Mehram]
"peydA kardane ellate divAnegiye ashkhAs kAre AsAni
nist." - Bozorg Alavi [2]
[hanson]
It says:
"Mehram's paid a hardon fellate divine negative ash as kack
anilingiust to Bozo's organ, lavishly"...
Hahahha :) Yes that's about as far as those items are
related to the archeologists's claims.
Let me give you just one example. They take
Mesopotamian dildos that they sometimes find in those
graves to mean, "symbols of their primitive gods"...
Leave it to the hands of Westerners, and those
guilt-ridden slavish little minds will find refuge only
in conclusions that they can feel comfortable with.
You're not fit for science.
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"Aghel be kenAre Ab tA pol mijost
divAneye pAberehne az Ab gozasht"
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| User: "hanson" |
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26 Aug 2006 09:26:43 AM |
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AHAHAHA... ahahaha... the irate Iranian, Mehram Maleki
aka "Math Freak" <MathFreak@FakeAddress.com> w/i
news:1kkjeoewlkbn2$.1wu21n7wnsmwq$.dlg@40tude.net...
[Mehram]
"peydA kardane ellate divAnegiye ashkhAs kAre As
Aninist." - Bozorg Alavi
[hanson]
It says: "Mehram has
paid a hardon fellate divine negative ash as kack
anilingiust to Bozo's organ, lavishly"...
[Mehram]
Hahahha :) Yes that's about as far as those items are
related to the archeologists's claims.
Let me give you just one example. They take
Mesopotamian dildos that they sometimes find in those
graves to mean, "symbols of their primitive gods"...
[hanson]
Mehram, why are you echoing what I have stated already
much better in my previous post.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/c8fae021538fc734
You are parroting me to say the least but more likely
you are exercising your talents of copying me/plagiarizing,
a habit that is routinely done by pseudo/wanna-be scientists,
like you in your part of the world. ... ahahahaha....
[Mehram]
Let me give you just one example. They take
Mesopotamian dildos that they sometimes find in those
graves to mean, "symbols of their primitive gods"...
Leave it to the hands of Westerners, and those
guilt-ridden slavish little minds will find refuge only
in conclusions that they can feel comfortable with.
You're not fit for science.
[hanson]
ahahaha... I am sorry to have rile you up, Mehram,
but the look at it soberly and scientifically... ahahahaha....
Abraham of Ur in Chaldea, Mesopotamia, current day Iraq,
was one of those ***** artists, but whether
dildos were "symbols of their primitive gods" is immaterial,
because Abe, your cousin there, had a truly novel idea,
a brain fart that became the pestilence of humankind
for millennia to come. See here under: "Here are the markers":
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/18b241900337db54
Your ***** Abe gave birth to the criminal base for the sociopathy
of Monotheism. Its 3 spawns, Judaism, Christianity and your
Johnny-come-lately Islam are all equally bad open sores on
humankind.... It doesn't need science to see that, Mehram.
[Mehram]
"Aghel be kenAre Ab tA pol mijost
divAneye pAberehne az Ab gozasht"
[hanson]
It says: "Mehram has
Argued hellbent [in his] kennel to a polish jew
divining an eye prepared as gozilla *****"
ahahaha...ahahaha.. Take care of your ***** habit
now, Mehram... and thanks for the laughs....
ahahaha... ahahanson
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| User: "Math Freak" |
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26 Aug 2006 11:04:41 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:26:43 GMT, hanson wrote:
ahahaha... I am sorry to have rile you up, Mehram,
but the look at it soberly and scientifically... ahahahaha....
Abraham of Ur in Chaldea, Mesopotamia, current day Iraq,
was one of those ***** artists, but whether
dildos were "symbols of their primitive gods" is immaterial,
because Abe, your cousin there, had a truly novel idea,
a brain fart that became the pestilence of humankind
for millennia to come. See here under: "Here are the markers":
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/18b241900337db54
Your ***** Abe gave birth to the criminal base for the sociopathy
of Monotheism. Its 3 spawns, Judaism, Christianity and your
Johnny-come-lately Islam are all equally bad open sores on
humankind.... It doesn't need science to see that, Mehram.
More clearly put, it does need science to see it
carefully, and therefore it is neither a task for a
Westerner to take up, nor is it his business doing so.
You Westerners make your H-bombs and hide behind them.
That's the best (and only) thing you can do.
Paganism is even more involved. God forbid if I ask you
this, but, you probably know me by now. What do you
think of Paganism? I am asking you this because I want
to know if you've really progressed since you finished
eating the aboriginal Blacks in Europe.
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"emruz sarafrAziye dey rA honari nist
mibAyad azemsAl sokhan rAnd na az pAr"
- Parvin E'tesami
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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22 Aug 2006 06:10:25 AM |
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On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:31:00 GMT) it happened "hanson"
<hanson@quick.net> wrote in <UTuGg.21121$u1.20747@trnddc05>:
agents of the Hezbollahalalalala
I think he was right, and merely pointed out the obvious that escapes
attention:
Civilisations come, and civilisations go.
And _usually_ after some rather aggressive ruler...
For example after Caesar the Roman empire started to decline and lose
power.
After GW Bush the Conquerer ......
Wether he starts globular nuclear war or not.
In 3535 will be digged up: "Was an important person at that time'.
'He could not possibly have been _that_ stupid.' (playing back his
speeches).
Now your Hezbollahaha song....
Was it US action to damage that to make Israel free to attack Iran?
Did it fail or did it work?
I do not get the way wars are done these days, I for sure, if in command
of Hezllala would have filled every rocket with gas.
Inflict maximum damage.
US resolutions? Geneva? Israel should leave Palestine by US resolution nr
<something>.
US murdered directly or indirectly 100000 civilians in Iraq.
You actually went to fight for GW Bush? And got wounded in the process,
and are _proud_ of that? You are sick.
OK.
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| User: "hanson" |
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22 Aug 2006 10:44:09 AM |
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ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHA....
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> cranked himself
grievously on a "On a sunny day" (Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:31:00
GMT) when it happened that "hanson" > <>
wrote in <UTuGg.21121$u1.20747@trnddc05 wrote in message
news:eceon6$7na$1@news.datemas.de...
[hanson to Freak Maleki]
agents of the Hezbollahalalalala
[Pante's premature ejaculation onto future history]]
I think he was right, and merely pointed out the obvious that
escapes attention:
Civilisations come, and civilisations go.
And _usually_ after some rather aggressive ruler...
For example after Caesar the Roman empire started to
decline and lose power.
After GW Bush the Conquerer ......
Wether he starts globular nuclear war or not.
In 3535 will be digged up: "Was an important person at that time'.
'He could not possibly have been _that_ stupid.' (playing back his
speeches).
[hanson]
.... ahahaha... Bush's approval rating is currently running around
30-40% which may give you a hint. Also, we are fully aware of
your collective/national fears and also know about YOUR country's
recent policy changes to curtail the Muslim influence. So, Pante,
don't be so sanctimoniously phony... for you, collectively, might be
one of the1st ones to have the fate of becoming a flying Dutchman.
[Pante, the arm chair War lord]
Now your Hezbollahaha song....
Was it US action to damage that to make Israel free to attack Iran?
Did it fail or did it work?
I do not get the way wars are done these days, I for sure, if in
command of Hezllala would have filled every rocket with gas.
Inflict maximum damage. [1]
US resolutions? Geneva? Israel should leave Palestine by
US resolution nr <something>.
US murdered directly or indirectly 100000 civilians in Iraq.
[hanson]
I don't know what is being played behind the scenes in the
Pentagon and the Admin with the Jews (called Neocons)
that have influence there. -- Not that I particularity care, but
it may help you to allay your fears and phantasms about me
if you google/groups --[ author: Wolfowitz]--
Too boot, I have a reoccurring post running right now with
another barking ashkeNazi, where the question is raised
in: Re: Globalist-Zionist Mafia To Do Another 9/11:... me asking:
"...the USA, which is paying to Israel 3-7 Billion $$$US tax money each
year for the last 60 years, and an equal $$ amount to the *****-venters
to placate and pacify them so that they don't continue to kick Jew *****,
begs the question:
==== What are all these BILLIONS of US tax-payer dollars buying
the American public, besides continuous terrorism, mayhem and war
where Jews being connected to or are involved in ? --- What good or
benefit has come in return to the American taxpayers from Israel for
all that tax money that came off the tables from poor American families?"
Pante, if you think that I am the only one asking this here in the US,
then you are a truly fanatical Hezbollalalaler... or being married to one..
ahahaha..
[Pante's ill wishes]
You actually went to fight for GW Bush? And got wounded in
the process, and are _proud_ of that? You are sick.
OK.
[hanson]
Now, what gave you YOUR sick idea? ... ahahahaha... I posted
many times that "hanson travels alone".... Pante, have you been
drinking or doping to excess again?... Don't do that in your
geriatric ***** Alzheimer-on-setting condition... ahahaha...
AFAIAC my beef is that this Bush war has not been conducted
in fashion of the WWII style. You, of all people should know this
instead of you complaining about "100000 civilians in Iraq".
If you go to war you don't wanna "win hearts and minds" like
the idiots do now. If you go to war you kill so many of them
that the surviving ones come and beg you to spare their
"hearts and minds". If worked for Japan and Nazi Germany
beautifully and for their own good... with you Netherlanders
having being the beneficiaries thereof... You are an ingrate,
Pante. You would do far more good if you (collectively) would
help us Amis in order for you to avoid that your grandkids will
not be forced to do 5 daily *****-venting exercises facing Mecca.
Pante, I hope, for your benefit, that you will not crank yourself
over this post... and for god's sake don't post when you are
pre-conditioned by your bong.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA...
Thanks for the laughs. Pante.
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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22 Aug 2006 12:02:36 PM |
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On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:44:09 GMT) it happened "hanson"
<> wrote in <dDFGg.4369$E_.3213@trnddc06>:
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHA....
[hanson to Freak Maleki]
agents of the Hezbollahalalalala
I think he was right, and merely pointed out the obvious that
escapes attention:
Civilisations come, and civilisations go.
And _usually_ after some rather aggressive ruler...
For example after Caesar the Roman empire started to
decline and lose power.
After GW Bush the Conquerer ......
Wether he starts globular nuclear war or not.
In 3535 will be digged up: "Was an important person at that time'.
'He could not possibly have been _that_ stupid.' (playing back his
speeches).
[hanson]
... ahahaha... Bush's approval rating is currently running around
30-40% which may give you a hint.
Yes, still dummies who fall for him :-)
Also, we are fully aware of
your collective/national fears and also know about YOUR country's
recent policy changes to curtail the Muslim influence. So, Pante,
don't be so sanctimoniously phony... for you, collectively, might be
one of the1st ones to have the fate of becoming a flying Dutchman.
Is that a threat? Well, the Netherlands will likely stay devoted
to GWBush alias 'the oilman', because the price we get for the natural gas
we pump from the ground and sell to other countries is coupled to the
oil price,.
It (Bushman) makes this country rich.
Same for UK (North Sea oil), Russia (their oil), Saudia Arabia (Bush
employers), and some other smaller oil pumping countries.
It worked less well in South America....
But those are GWBushman's _only_ allies.... I am sure if he was impeached
we would still be friends with the US. I had never a problem with Clinton.
But I do not even recognise GWBush the horrible as US president.
And, as you pointed out, neither do most Americans.
As nobody wants to send troops to play an other game in Libanon as US
played in the Balkan, chances are that even if Bushist is impeached
normalisation of public opinion in Europe (yes you have to ultimately
deal with the EU, and that includes such powers as France, Italy, and
Germany) will take a long long time.
Even the idea that an other republican term could happen ... We all
remember Vietnam too.
Your country is _weapon manufacturer number one_ and will start wars
everywhere just to have sales going, you treat the people as cannon meat.
_You_.
Nothing wrong with Dutch cheese.
[hanson]
I don't know what is being played behind the scenes in the
Pentagon and the Admin with the Jews (called Neocons)
that have influence there. -- Not that I particularity care, but
it may help you to allay your fears and phantasms about me
if you google/groups --[ author: Wolfowitz]--
Too boot, I have a reoccurring post running right now with
another barking ashkeNazi, where the question is raised
in: Re: Globalist-Zionist Mafia To Do Another 9/11:... me asking:
Oh well, so you are maybe a bit more awake then it thought, fine.
I started reading us.politics some time ago.
==== What are all these BILLIONS of US tax-payer dollars buying
the American public, besides continuous terrorism, mayhem and war
where Jews being connected to or are involved in ?
Jobs in weapon factories, MS windows, arms, the only US export products.
:-)
benefit has come in return to the American taxpayers from Israel for
all that tax money that came off the tables from poor American families?"
The Jews claim they control the US.
Well, maybe, now they claim they control Hezbolla too, of course many
Jews live in the US, but not all agree with Israel's policies.
Israel has the problem that it needs land for their children, and their
grand children.
So it steals land again and again.
The US has the problem that now everybody and their cat can make a nuke, wait
a bit, N Korea is ready to test perhaps, H type will follow, and as US
economy is really bad (deficit), and if the others have the same weapons, US
can no longer make others dance, that is why they are so ***** scared about
others having nukes.
China's economy is much much stronger, it has nukes, it can already now
ignore US demands.
This the beginning of the end of N American civilisation, add some climate
change, and YOUR children will have to swim or use skates to the south,
all those countries who you made enemies, to ask for political asylum
as a 'climate fugitive', where 'climate' is both political and weather
related.
There is _your_ future.
Pante, if you think that I am the only one asking this here in the US,
then you are a truly fanatical Hezbollalalaler... or being married to one..
ahahaha..
lalala
AFAIAC my beef is that this Bush war has not been conducted
in fashion of the WWII style. You, of all people should know this
instead of you complaining about "100000 civilians in Iraq".
100000 is now the official number, and it was only Iraq,
US has killed many more since WW2.
If you go to war you kill so many of them
that the surviving ones come and beg you to spare their
"hearts and minds".
Exactly.
If worked for Japan and Nazi Germany
beautifully and for their own good... with you Netherlanders
having being the beneficiaries thereof... You are an ingrate,
Pante. You would do far more good if you (collectively) would
help us Amis in order for you to avoid that your grandkids will
not be forced to do 5 daily *****-venting exercises facing Mecca.
EU knows how to defend itself against becoming an Islamitic state,
Nobody here wants that, you under estimate technology here, we
can make funny weapons too.
At least Eurofighter flies.
Pante, I hope, for your benefit, that you will not crank yourself
over this post... and for god's sake don't post when you are
pre-conditioned by your bong.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA...
Thanks for the laughs. Pante.
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
hihihi
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
22 Aug 2006 04:52:54 PM |
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In sci.astro.amateur, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
: The Jews claim they control the US.
Really? I thought only ignorant dickheads like you claim that. What's this
crap doing in saa?
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| User: "hanson" |
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22 Aug 2006 09:13:55 PM |
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"twit of lunacy" aka <twol@sol.org> did shine & wrote in message
news:44eb7cb6$0$34512$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Jews claim they control the US.
[twit]
Really? I thought only ignorant dickheads like you claim that.
[hanson]
Hey, twit, with the wording of your 1-liner you have managed to
create and spread even more international Anti-Semitism then
there already is.... especially if you are a Jew, yourself... ahahaha...
To boot, it looks more like Dutchman Pante did touch a
raw nerve in you, twit..... if not, then what is your "thought" why
it happened that Pante's perception came into being and why
his impression is so strongly believed around the world now...
.... and why this same notion can be heard ever louder on US
TV in network news segments and on talk shows?... ahahaha...
Furthermore, twit, can you give Pante a decent & honest answer why....
"...the USA, which is paying to Israel 3-7 Billion $$$US tax money each
year for the last 60 years, and an equal $$ amount to the *****-venters
to placate and pacify them so that they don't continue to kick Jew *****,
begs the question:
==== What are all these BILLIONS of US tax-payer dollars buying
the American public, besides continuous terrorism, mayhem and war
where Jews being connected to or are involved in ? --- What good or
benefit has come in return to the American taxpayers from Israel for
all that tax money that came off the tables from poor American families?"
Twit, tell these "ignorant dickheads" where the benefits are... ahahaha...
Remember, it is normally Zionist Jews, the ashkeNAZI type, who answer
with cuss words, like you just did, .... cuz their nerves are raw when it
comes to this subject. One wonders why?...... AHAHAHAHA......
..... ahahahaha... But, thanks for the laughs, dude
ahahaha... ahahahanson
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
23 Aug 2006 06:15:57 AM |
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In a moment of insanity (22 Aug 2006 21:52:54 GMT) wrote in
<44eb7cb6$0$34512$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
what is this crap doing in saa?
Dunno, YOU wrote that.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: dark matter dont emit photons idiots |
24 Aug 2006 01:15:42 AM |
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dark matter dont eject photons to take a pic of !!
nasa just keeps getting dumber.
If you have an image its not dark matter ..
dark matter dont eject photons to image.
Some dumbfuck that works for nasa HA HA
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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22 Aug 2006 12:32:14 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:jXmGg.146092$1i1.73595@attbi_s72...
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
There is a downloadable movie explaining this at,
http://home.slac.stanford.edu/pressreleases/2006/20060821.htm
Pretty wild that maybe the dark matter gets ahead of the colliding
galaxies. I am a bit skeptical about that.
FrediFizzx
Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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| User: "London England" |
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21 Aug 2006 03:03:41 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:jXmGg.146092$1i1.73595@attbi_s72...
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
Hogwash!
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| User: "Martin R. Howell" |
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21 Aug 2006 04:49:27 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:03:41 GMT, London England wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:jXmGg.146092$1i1.73595@attbi_s72...
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
Hogwash!
What are you after, Mick? Do you want people to think you are funny?
Smart? Do you want to see everybody who cares about this group and tries
to make genuine contributions all throw their hands up as they walk away
from it and say, "I give up Mick, you won. I can't take this anymore."
Why is it important to you that all here have the inability to escape your
meaningless dribble by constantly morphing your identity to escape filters?
Why will you have some snide, uncalled for, and unjustified rationalization
for your actions as well as an attack on me soon to follow your reading of
this response?
What do you want, Mick? What are you after?
--
Martin R. Howell
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| User: "London England" |
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21 Aug 2006 06:26:26 PM |
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wow....
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14456485/
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| User: "greysky" |
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22 Aug 2006 03:56:32 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:jXmGg.146092$1i1.73595@attbi_s72...
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
Sure, and all they have to prove is that those (false color) blue regions
are not caused by x-ray fluorescence of the halo surrounding it all...
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| User: "Chris L Peterson" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
21 Aug 2006 07:17:33 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:28:31 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
That is truly a regrettable headline, since clearly there is no proof
here (nor can there be). I wish these science writers would respect the
definition of "science"; headlines like this just empower the fringe.
What the paper being reported on does is provide very strong evidence
that dark matter is real, and that's what this author should have said.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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| User: "London England" |
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21 Aug 2006 07:25:44 PM |
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
news:c4jke2pqcv8on9un481d0k89a5iikea0fg@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:28:31 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
That is truly a regrettable headline, since clearly there is no proof
here (nor can there be). I wish these science writers would respect the
definition of "science"; headlines like this just empower the fringe.
What the paper being reported on does is provide very strong evidence
that dark matter is real, and that's what this author should have said.
Like I said...Hogwash! And it takes an IDIOT to believe a first hand
"report".
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| User: "euclides romanus" |
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22 Aug 2006 01:15:06 AM |
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Yours is a very funny post. Just hilarious! I hope by the time I send this
the early
morning smog will have started to burn off and you will rethink your
position,
but you position is well understood (in the Olde World).
Im still laughing and may all day -
jw
London England wrote:
"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
news:c4jke2pqcv8on9un481d0k89a5iikea0fg@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:28:31 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
That is truly a regrettable headline, since clearly there is no proof
here (nor can there be). I wish these science writers would respect the
definition of "science"; headlines like this just empower the fringe.
What the paper being reported on does is provide very strong evidence
that dark matter is real, and that's what this author should have said.
Like I said...Hogwash! And it takes an IDIOT to believe a first hand
"report".
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| User: "Andy Resnick" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
22 Aug 2006 07:28:18 AM |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:28:31 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
That is truly a regrettable headline, since clearly there is no proof
here (nor can there be). I wish these science writers would respect the
definition of "science"; headlines like this just empower the fringe.
What the paper being reported on does is provide very strong evidence
that dark matter is real, and that's what this author should have said.
Well, the title of the paper is:
'A Direct Empirical Proof of the Existence of Dark Matter'
so I wouldn't be quick to blame a science writer. I haven't been able
to get a copy of the actual paper yet, tho.
--
Andrew Resnick, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
Case Western Reserve University
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| User: "Chris L Peterson" |
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22 Aug 2006 08:15:27 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:28:18 -0400, Andy Resnick
<andy.resnick@op.case.edu> wrote:
Well, the title of the paper is:
'A Direct Empirical Proof of the Existence of Dark Matter'
so I wouldn't be quick to blame a science writer. I haven't been able
to get a copy of the actual paper yet, tho.
Well, then I'll blame both the original authors and the science writer.
A science writer should know better, too. Of course, the problem here is
with the headline, not the article itself; often the writer has no
control over the headline (and the writer of that may be clueless).
Still, the original writer should at least try to educate his editors.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
21 Aug 2006 09:22:26 PM |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:28:31 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
That is truly a regrettable headline, since clearly there is no proof
here (nor can there be). I wish these science writers would respect the
definition of "science"; headlines like this just empower the fringe.
What the paper being reported on does is provide very strong evidence
that dark matter is real, and that's what this author should have said.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
I agree...
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| User: "Greg Crinklaw" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
22 Aug 2006 10:19:11 AM |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:28:31 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
http://www.physorg.com/news75387135.html
That is truly a regrettable headline, since clearly there is no proof
here (nor can there be). I wish these science writers would respect the
definition of "science"; headlines like this just empower the fringe.
I agree very much. But... looking at the test of the story, the term
"proof" appears in a quote from one of the astronomers who was
interviewed. So we can't really blame the press for this one.
I swear, scientists sometimes go insane when trying to translate from
"scientific" to "every day."
For instance, the common mis-use of the word theory is often employed by
some scientists when talking to the media. How unhelpful.
And then there's the intentionally misleading term "evolution" rather
than something more specific and scientific.
But I think my favorite example was in Sky & Telescope a year or so ago:
In the October issue of Sky & Telescope the editor complained that, "An
acquaintance recently asked me if I believe in the Big Bang. What a
misguided question! It implies that astronomers 'believe' in the tenets
of science the way children believe in the Easter Bunny."
So far so good. An editor who gets science.
Yet, in the very article pointed to by Mr. Fienberg in his editorial we
find this: (box caption on page 34): "... and if dark energy 'outweighs'
dark matter by more than 2 to 1, as currently believed...".
Oops.
I'm so tired of reading about what scientists "believe." I used to
blame the popular media, but to tell you the truth I think the root of
this problem is in the often careless way astronomers and physicists
express themselves publicly. It's time we all made an effort to be less
sloppy in our choice of words.
Greg
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
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| User: "Brian Tung" |
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22 Aug 2006 11:41:16 AM |
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
Yet, in the very article pointed to by Mr. Fienberg in his editorial we
find this: (box caption on page 34): "... and if dark energy 'outweighs'
dark matter by more than 2 to 1, as currently believed...".
Oops.
Yeah, although I didn't find that so bad. I think there's a difference
(of some import) between believing something and believing *in*
something. By the former, we merely assert that we think something is
true; by the latter, we connote faith in something. Literally, the
difference isn't that large, but the nuances are there, I think. (Or
believe. <g>)
--
Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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| User: "Greg Crinklaw" |
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22 Aug 2006 01:03:25 PM |
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Brian Tung wrote:
Greg Crinklaw wrote:
Yet, in the very article pointed to by Mr. Fienberg in his editorial we
find this: (box caption on page 34): "... and if dark energy 'outweighs'
dark matter by more than 2 to 1, as currently believed...".
Oops.
Yeah, although I didn't find that so bad. I think there's a difference
(of some import) between believing something and believing *in*
something. By the former, we merely assert that we think something is
true; by the latter, we connote faith in something. Literally, the
difference isn't that large, but the nuances are there, I think. (Or
believe. <g>)
I don't disagree, but I'm rather surprised that both you and Chris seem
to have completely missed the point. Shades of gray about the word
"believe" aside, it is NOT a good synonym for "the current evidence
indicates" which is how "scientists believe" is used in the press.
How can we expect the general public to understand that what we really
mean by "scientists believe" is "the current evidence indicates" if we
use such vague language? Surely the two of you agree that the word
"believe" can be easily mistaken for something that is not based on a
rational view of the world. Remember, people model others on
themselves; unless we state clearly that science is based on evidence
rather than "beliefs" those with irrational tendencies will read it as
just another opinion.
I'm simply saying that if we mean, "the evidence indicates" that is what
we should say, and leave this terrible word "believe" out of it entirely.
Clear skies,
Greg
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
To reply take out your eye
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| User: "London England" |
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22 Aug 2006 02:17:35 PM |
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"Greg Crinklaw" <theskyhoundyoureye@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4d9c1$44eb46d9$4212a5f6$14701@TULAROSA.NET...
Brian Tung wrote:
Greg Crinklaw wrote:
Yet, in the very article pointed to by Mr. Fienberg in his editorial we
find this: (box caption on page 34): "... and if dark energy 'outweighs'
dark matter by more than 2 to 1, as currently believed...".
Oops.
Yeah, although I didn't find that so bad. I think there's a difference
(of some import) between believing something and believing *in*
something. By the former, we merely assert that we think something is
true; by the latter, we connote faith in something. Literally, the
difference isn't that large, but the nuances are there, I think. (Or
believe. <g>)
I don't disagree, but I'm rather surprised that both you and Chris seem to
have completely missed the point. Shades of gray about the word "believe"
aside, it is NOT a good synonym for "the current evidence indicates" which
is how "scientists believe" is used in the press.
How can we expect the general public to understand that what we really
mean by "scientists believe" is "the current evidence indicates" if we use
such vague language? Surely the two of you agree that the word "believe"
can be easily mistaken for something that is not based on a rational view
of the world. Remember, people model others on themselves; unless we
state clearly that science is based on evidence rather than "beliefs"
those with irrational tendencies will read it as just another opinion.
I'm simply saying that if we mean, "the evidence indicates" that is what
we should say, and leave this terrible word "believe" out of it entirely.
Clear skies,
Greg
Ok, the writer shouldn't be science writer but is. Probably 80% of the
workforce is polluted with
people doing things they shouldn't be doing.
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| User: "Brian Tung" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
22 Aug 2006 01:22:17 PM |
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
I don't disagree, but I'm rather surprised that both you and Chris seem
to have completely missed the point. Shades of gray about the word
"believe" aside, it is NOT a good synonym for "the current evidence
indicates" which is how "scientists believe" is used in the press.
I don't think I missed it so much as I disagree. :) I think it is a
reasonable synonym--or, at least, as reasonable as can be expected,
given that most people don't have a good understanding of how evidence
works in a scientific context. The few people who do would have no
trouble extrapolating "the current evidence indicates" from "scientists
believe."
The proper solution, of course, is better education about how evidence
works in science, and I have a long-standing prejudice in favor of
educating by educating. I do like your wording better, because it's
more precise, but I guess I don't agree that it's the principal barrier
to a proper understanding of what's going on.
--
Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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| User: "Greg Crinklaw" |
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| Title: Re: A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter |
22 Aug 2006 02:51:35 PM |
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Hi Brian,
Brian Tung wrote:
Greg Crinklaw wrote:
I don't disagree, but I'm rather surprised that both you and Chris seem
to have completely missed the point. Shades of gray about the word
"believe" aside, it is NOT a good synonym for "the current evidence
indicates" which is how "scientists believe" is used in the press.
I don't think I missed it so much as I disagree. :) I think it is a
reasonable synonym--or, at least, as reasonable as can be expected,
given that most people don't have a good understanding of how evidence
works in a scientific context. The few people who do would have no
trouble extrapolating "the current evidence indicates" from "scientists
believe."
What is funny is that I don't think we disagree at all!
The proper solution, of course, is better education about how evidence
works in science, and I have a long-standing prejudice in favor of
educating by educating. I do like your wording better, because it's
more precise, but I guess I don't agree that it's the principal barrier
to a proper understanding of what's going on.
Of course. I didn't mean to suggest it is a "principle barrier to
proper understanding." My point, which I apparently stated very
ineloquently, for which I apologize, is this: we often criticize the
general popular media for the way they portray science, but what I have
noted is that we scientists are often very much at fault ourselves,
particularly in the way we sometimes choose to phrase things.
After all, this thread was about the word "proof" in the article. I
pointed out that rather than poor reporting, "proof" came from the quote
attributed to a scientist.
I've noticed this same thing in numerous other articles. It's sort of
disappointing to discover that the poor choice of words found in the
headline or hyperbolic first paragraph actually came from a quote made
by someone who should have known better.
Greg
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
To reply take out your eye
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