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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "confusingtimes"
Date: 06 Feb 2005 07:26:00 AM
Object: a plea for sympathy
I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.
I don't believe in God :shock: but what if there is a God and he is
not a being, an old man with a white beard on a throne, an
intelligence or consciousness or a sentient being, but a mathematical
equation, a law of physics. The result of this law is everything. This
equation defines everything. It can not be reduced any further and all
physical laws and properties can be explained and predicted within it.
M Theory may be a theory of everything but it creates further
problems.
-For this universe to exist in a state of stability with 4 obvious
dimensions, with intelligent life, there may be an infinite amount of
other histories of universes where intelligent life existing was not
possible.
In order for a state, a void, whatever, to exist in which (multiple)
Branes can exist and be stable there again must be an infinite number
of states in which ours results in stable Branes, perhaps colliding to
create our universe and intelligent life. May we be the result of an
infinite number of infinities?
For this to exist there must be a law that allows for an infinite
number of universes, an infinite number of states, voids? in which
these Branes can exist.
And what are the odds that the existence of infinities can exist. Like
throwing a mathematical dice an infinite number of times and
eventually coming up with an equation that represents our universe
and all its laws. Mustn't there be a law that allows for the dice to
be thrown an infinite number of times. And does that mean the dice is
loaded, through the existence of infinity, (if it exists?). If it
does, are we not in fact an expected, predictable outcome, that some
super intelligent being could have predicted would exist given enough
throws of the dice.
Imagining that it does exits, the law which allows infinities, can it
be random, a result of infinities? At some point, doesn't a law have
to exist allowing the existence of infinite possibilities, resulting
in infinite states in which infinite universes can exist, resulting
in us?
Isn't that a loaded dice, a law that allows infinities to be, is that
God, not in the traditional sense, but a law, that results in all
other laws of physics being allowed through infinite possibilities.
Does it have to be a decision?
Suppose it's true, then the law which led to allow the existence of
infinities, can not be reduced further, to infinite possibilities
allowing it to exist, it must be a decision. There must be a single
law that allows for infinities and results in all other laws. What
governs it, what made it say yes?
Maybe there is no multiverse, nothing outside of this, but Help!!
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User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 06 Feb 2005 02:48:34 PM
"confusingtimes" <tilerdurden@yahoo.co-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.

I don't believe in God :shock: but what if there is a God and he is
not a being, an old man with a white beard on a throne, an
intelligence or consciousness or a sentient being, but a mathematical
equation, a law of physics. The result of this law is everything. This
equation defines everything. It can not be reduced any further and all
physical laws and properties can be explained and predicted within it.

M Theory may be a theory of everything but it creates further
problems.
-For this universe to exist in a state of stability with 4 obvious
dimensions, with intelligent life, there may be an infinite amount of
other histories of universes where intelligent life existing was not
possible.
In order for a state, a void, whatever, to exist in which (multiple)
Branes can exist and be stable there again must be an infinite number
of states in which ours results in stable Branes, perhaps colliding to
create our universe and intelligent life. May we be the result of an
infinite number of infinities?
For this to exist there must be a law that allows for an infinite
number of universes, an infinite number of states, voids? in which
these Branes can exist.
And what are the odds that the existence of infinities can exist. Like
throwing a mathematical dice an infinite number of times and
eventually coming up with an equation that represents our universe
and all its laws. Mustn't there be a law that allows for the dice to
be thrown an infinite number of times. And does that mean the dice is
loaded, through the existence of infinity, (if it exists?). If it
does, are we not in fact an expected, predictable outcome, that some
super intelligent being could have predicted would exist given enough
throws of the dice.
Imagining that it does exits, the law which allows infinities, can it
be random, a result of infinities? At some point, doesn't a law have
to exist allowing the existence of infinite possibilities, resulting
in infinite states in which infinite universes can exist, resulting
in us?
Isn't that a loaded dice, a law that allows infinities to be, is that
God, not in the traditional sense, but a law, that results in all
other laws of physics being allowed through infinite possibilities.
Does it have to be a decision?
Suppose it's true, then the law which led to allow the existence of
infinities, can not be reduced further, to infinite possibilities
allowing it to exist, it must be a decision. There must be a single
law that allows for infinities and results in all other laws. What
governs it, what made it say yes?
Maybe there is no multiverse, nothing outside of this, but Help!!

The answer to life, the universe and everything is 42. See "Hitchhiker's
Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas Adams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything
Androcles
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User: "Gregory L. Hansen"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 06 Feb 2005 08:07:09 PM
In article <42061ae8$1_2@127.0.0.1>,
confusingtimes <tilerdurden@yahoo.co-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.

I don't believe in God :shock: but what if there is a God and he is
not a being, an old man with a white beard on a throne, an
intelligence or consciousness or a sentient being, but a mathematical
equation, a law of physics. The result of this law is everything. This
equation defines everything. It can not be reduced any further and all
physical laws and properties can be explained and predicted within it.

Define God. Does a mathematical equation satisfy the definition of God?
For lack of a Theory of Everything, would the equation for a parabolic
trajectory qualify as a minor demon?
--
"A nice adaptation of conditions will make almost any hypothesis agree
with the phenomena. This will please the imagination but does not advance
our knowledge." -- J. Black, 1803.
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User: "confusingtimes"

Title: so harsh. 08 Feb 2005 12:40:25 PM
That guy who said I should go back to the playground, that was harsh
man. I can't sleep, I lie awake crying into my copy of a brief
history of time. I just wanted to fit in. I just wanted all the kids
in school to like me, my dream is over.
Do you perhaps suffer from the terrible medical condition micro-penis,
I heard it's a terrible thing to live with.
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User: "PD"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 08:30:23 AM
That's not the God I know.
PD
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User: ""

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 06 Feb 2005 08:09:43 PM
confusingtimes <tilerdurden@yahoo.co-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.

Consult any kindergarten playground.
*Plonk*
--
Jim Pennino
Remove -spam-sux to reply.
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User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 06 Feb 2005 05:54:25 PM
confusingtimes wrote:


I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.

[snip]
but what if there is a God
[snip]
Usenet's cloaca,

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User: "hanson"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 06 Feb 2005 09:14:42 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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confusingtimes wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing
this little theory down, please help and send me packing.

[snip]

[Al]

but what if there is a God
Uncle Al

[hanson]
YOU evoke God?.... YOU, Al?....... ahahahaha...
ahahaha......this is good!... What happened Al?
Did you get religion?... after all... and finally?
Yeah, if there is one then you are in deep *****!
Confession, remorse, repentance. The whole show!
Invite me to see that...... AHAHAHAHA........
ahaha.... ahahanson
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User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc\ N: dlzc1 D:cox"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 08:19:37 AM
Dear hanson:
"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4206AE31.590333FA@hate.spam.net...

confusingtimes wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing
this little theory down, please help and send me packing.

[snip]

[Al]

but what if there is a God
Uncle Al

[hanson]
YOU evoke God?.... YOU, Al?....... ahahahaha...
ahahaha......this is good!... What happened Al?
Did you get religion?... after all... and finally?
Yeah, if there is one then you are in deep *****!
Confession, remorse, repentance. The whole show!
Invite me to see that...... AHAHAHAHA........
ahaha.... ahahanson

Uncle Al *is* God. Just as much as you are hanson.
I hope this wasn't saying something about the progress of his eotvos
experiment...
David A. Smith
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 11:31:21 AM
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com>
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"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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confusingtimes wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing
this little theory down, please help and send me packing.

[snip]

[Al]

but what if there is a God
Uncle Al

[hanson]
YOU evoke God?.... YOU, Al?....... ahahahaha...
ahahaha......this is good!... What happened Al?
Did you get religion?... after all... and finally?
Yeah, if there is one then you are in deep *****!
Confession, remorse, repentance. The whole show!
Invite me to see that...... AHAHAHAHA........
ahaha.... ahahanson


[Smitty]

Uncle Al *is* God. Just as much as you are hanson.

[hanson]
Oh my Gahhhd! How irreverent of me! Allan Schwartz is
indeed the Allah (note his sleigh spelling variation) of the
Schwartzers and of his very many idiots. He says so daily
in his many sermons.


[Smitty]

I hope this wasn't saying something about the progress
of his eotvos experiment...
David A. Smith

[hanson]
But, yes, you should. First he had 2 "groups" competing for
it. Then it was suddenly only one in faraway China... to show
results last X-mas. Then apparently he and that Sino-Santa
had a falling out and the advent of the Eotvoes results were
pushed into July 05. And then to milk his time-line even more,
a few days ago, I rem Allah saying that it'll be next fall......
ahahaha..... Apparently, Allah Schwartz's empirical laws
are self-similar in that Eotvoes will follow his poundsize
diamonds, that followed his Cockroach repellent patent.
ahaha... ahahahanson
.


User: "Mitch Perkins"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 03:25:41 PM
hanson wrote:

"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4206AE31.590333FA@hate.spam.net...

confusingtimes wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing
this little theory down, please help and send me packing.

[snip]

[Al]

but what if there is a God
Uncle Al

[hanson]
YOU evoke God?....

Nope. The line just didn't come up blue.
But it was a quote from the OP.
I don't think Al got past it.
And I think I know why.
How's it going, hanson? Are you in danger?
I have a question for you re: Avogadro's Number etc.
Want to hear it?
Mitch
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 06:24:49 PM
"Mitch Perkins" <mitchsperkins@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107811541.068454.175850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

How's it going, hanson? Are you in danger?

[hanson]
Thanks for asking, Mitch. No. The stress is level & even right
now. Things are going just fine. No big ups nor downs. Great!
One of the fall outs from the Ball-lightning experiments on
Gleaner9 was that the data was/is used in/for the development,
you guessed it, another fucking gun. (as if their ain't enough of
them already). This baby is a personal weapon for the "New
Warrior" ...ahahahaha... like the AR16, same 5.65 mm ammo.
The new attachment yields a pin laser beam of 1-2 mm dia only,
powered by one normal cartridge when fired. The gas pressure
is diverted into the laser charging system to such an extent that
the bullet is flying only 15-25 feet out of the gun. But the resulting
laser pulse allegedly can burn a pin hole thru a closed eye lid....
That they were ecstatically happy about... But did they moan,
groan, ***** and whine about whether that limp 15-25' lame bullet
could cause some unseen dangers and problems. --- For many
years I have wondered whether the Flower children didn't have a
better solution, by paying them off, and buying them off to the hilt
instead of spending all that money for means to kill'em and then
paying them anyway to get'em back on their feet for the next
show down... ahahahaha... Anyway... I didn't make this world.
I only have to dance in this fucking fucked up place.....
[Mitch]

I have a question for you re: Avogadro's Number etc.
Want to hear it?

[hanson]
Yes dude, "bring it on", the question about N_A.
Take care, Mitch
hanson
.
User: "Maleki"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 08 Feb 2005 06:22:52 PM
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:24:49 GMT, hanson wrote:

them already). This baby is a personal weapon for the "New
Warrior" ...ahahahaha... like the AR16, same 5.65 mm ammo.
The new attachment yields a pin laser beam of 1-2 mm dia only,
powered by one normal cartridge when fired. The gas pressure
is diverted into the laser charging system to such an extent that
the bullet is flying only 15-25 feet out of the gun. But the resulting
laser pulse allegedly can burn a pin hole thru a closed eye lid....

The news of this was recently out on the media.
--
dar bebasto doshman andar khAne bud
"Mowlana"
.

User: "Mitch Perkins"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 07:14:02 PM
hanson wrote:

"Mitch Perkins" <mitchsperkins@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107811541.068454.175850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

How's it going, hanson? Are you in danger?

[hanson]
Thanks for asking, Mitch. No. The stress is level & even right
now. Things are going just fine. No big ups nor downs. Great!

Glad to hear it.

One of the fall outs from the Ball-lightning experiments on
Gleaner9 was that the data was/is used in/for the development,
you guessed it, another fucking gun. (as if their ain't enough of
them already). This baby is a personal weapon for the "New
Warrior" ...ahahahaha...

What the world
Needs now
Is guns, sweet guns
No not just for one,
But for *everyone*

like the AR16, same 5.65 mm ammo.
The new attachment yields a pin laser beam of 1-2 mm dia only,
powered by one normal cartridge when fired. The gas pressure
is diverted into the laser charging system to such an extent that
the bullet is flying only 15-25 feet out of the gun. But the

resulting

laser pulse allegedly can burn a pin hole thru a closed eye lid....
That they were ecstatically happy about... But did they moan,
groan, ***** and whine about whether that limp 15-25' lame bullet
could cause some unseen dangers and problems. --- For many
years I have wondered whether the Flower children didn't have a
better solution, by paying them off, and buying them off to the hilt
instead of spending all that money for means to kill'em and then
paying them anyway to get'em back on their feet for the next
show down... ahahahaha...

I assume you refer to the
transmogrification of Hippy
into Yuppie?

Anyway... I didn't make this world.
I only have to dance in this fucking fucked up place.....

[Mitch]

I have a question for you re: Avogadro's Number etc.
Want to hear it?

[hanson]
Yes dude, "bring it on", the question about N_A.
Take care, Mitch
hanson

Damn! Started typing and realized
I don't know how to ask the question.
Uncharacteristically, I'm going to save
myself some embarassment here,
and get back to you when I can express
myself intelligently. If you never hear from
me again, (get it?), it's been a slice, dude.
Mitch
.
User: "Dan Bloomquist"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 09:37:31 PM
Mitch Perkins wrote:


What the world
Needs now
Is guns, sweet guns
No not just for one,
But for *everyone*

I guess that would even the playing field...

Mitch

Best, Dan.
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User: "Mitch Perkins"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 09:43:04 PM
Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Mitch Perkins wrote:


What the world
Needs now
Is guns, sweet guns
No not just for one,
But for *everyone*


I guess that would even the playing field...

Best, Dan.

You could even say, "level" it.
Mitch
.
User: "Dan Bloomquist"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 07 Feb 2005 09:52:01 PM
Mitch Perkins wrote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Mitch Perkins wrote:

What the world
Needs now
Is guns, sweet guns
No not just for one,
But for *everyone*


I guess that would even the playing field...


You could even say, "level" it.

:)
Did you see my rant about transportation fuel?

Mitch

Best, Dan.
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http://ReserveAnalyst.com
No EXTRA stuff for email.
What can you see if you can't see it all...
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User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 10 Feb 2005 10:29:59 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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confusingtimes wrote:


I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.

[snip]

but what if there is a God
[snip]

Alice thought he was god, but I'm all over him like flies on the *****
he is.
Do the math, Alice.
Differentiate
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/something_not_there) ]
= tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
for me, fucking stooopid imbecile Alice.
Where's your wang now, snipping Alice?
Grieving in its shell?
Androcles.
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User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher"

Title: Re: a plea for sympathy 06 Feb 2005 09:02:49 AM
confusingtimes wrote:

I could do with someone much smarter than me tearing this little
theory down, please help and send me packing.

First, try to understand what "theory" means in science.
It does *not* mean "idle speculation".

I don't believe in God :shock:

No shock. Only the question: what has this to do with physics?

but what if there is a God and he is
not a being, an old man with a white beard on a throne, an
intelligence or consciousness or a sentient being, but a mathematical
equation, a law of physics.

Why should we call something like that "God"?

The result of this law is everything.

Laws in physics don't have results on their own.

This equation defines everything.

Equations in physics usually don't define things.

It can not be reduced any further and all
physical laws and properties can be explained and predicted within it.

Sounds like a ToE.

M Theory may be a theory of everything but it creates further
problems.

The biggest problems being that we don't even know if it really
exists up to now, and we don't know how to obtain it.

-For this universe to exist in a state of stability with 4 obvious
dimensions, with intelligent life, there may be an infinite amount of
other histories of universes where intelligent life existing was not
possible.

Take Steinhardt's cyclic model and the anthropic principle,
then that's not a problem anymore.

In order for a state, a void, whatever, to exist in which (multiple)
Branes can exist and be stable there again must be an infinite number
of states in which ours results in stable Branes, perhaps colliding to
create our universe and intelligent life. May we be the result of an
infinite number of infinities?

Where do you get the idea from that there must be an *infinite*
number of states?
[snip more of that]
Bye,
Bjoern
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