Science > Physics > a theoretical and practical StainlessSilver and StainlessCopper
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"Archimedes Plutonium" |
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21 Mar 2005 01:26:18 PM |
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a theoretical and practical StainlessSilver and StainlessCopper |
Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:45:33 -0600 Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
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I am concluding that the easiest way to know if silver or not is how
it cleans
up. Silver always tarnishes black and let standing will become a
blackish hue.
So I really do not need to test an item questionably silver by trying
to blacken
it, rather instead the test is whether a polish will take off some
blackness.
Left standing, nickel does not blacken, but silver does.
I want to recognize silver by just a glanze and if puzzled have a
simple test. I
think that test is a polish such as toothpaste.
I know silver has the highest reflectivity of light. But I wonder is
nickel has
the second highest reflectivity.
Silver is the "most white" of metals and if a color is assigned to the
metals
silver would be the base white and the other metals that look like
silver would
have some "gray" added. But I wonder if nickel is the closest to
silver in
color. Nickel seems to have a tinge of yellowish. I remember platinum
and
palladium and they seem to have a tinge of gray.
So, now, I wonder whether I can use some logical inferences to get me
closer to
a Silver Alloy that does not tarnish and is stainless just like
stainless steel.
Theoretically I wonder if the alloy of stainless steel is equivalent,
molecularly, to gold as a molecule. Gold is tarnish free. Stainless
steel is
tarnish free. So the compound of gold atoms is equivalent to the
compound of
stainless steel of its iron and chromium atoms.
So can one say that the mixture of iron and chrome to compose
stainless steel is
of the Equivalent Metallic Bond of gold, in that both have the same
characteristic of tarnish free and stainless?
So if we put up an equation of gold flatware on one side and on the
other side
the iron-chrome alloy such as 18/10 stainless steel, then we have an
equation of
equality of gold to stainless-steel. An equation based on the Metallic
Bond
which allows gold atoms to be stainless and allows iron-chrome atoms
to be
stainless.
Why do all of this equation? Answer is easy. I want a Silver alloy
that is as
stainless and tarnish free as stainless steel or gold.
So if I can pull out this Equation, it would go far in answering what
element to
alloy to silver in order to get it as stainless. Iron is 26 and
chromium is 24,
or 2 to the left of iron. And silver is 47 and 2 to the left of silver
is Rh,
rhodium at 45. So the question is, if I alloy silver with rhodium do I
get a
tarnish free silverware??
I think I am on the correct path by equating gold to stainless steel
by saying
the metallic bond becomes equal. And thence from using that
information as to
find the silver alloy that matches the tarnish free qualities of both
gold and
stainless steel.
Now I know that stainless steel has 3 or more elements in alloy and
not just
iron and chromium. So it is probable that the very best silver non
tarnish alloy
has a mix of 3 or more elements.
I believe there exists a stainless silver and stainless copper but
because stainless steel came along and is so cheap to manufacture and is
not rare in occurrence of its ingredients/composition that we have
failed to look for the Stainless-Silver and the Stainless-Copper.
Above I have assembled a premature theory of simply taking the analogy
of Stainless Steel in that chromium is 2 elements to the left in the
Chart to that of iron. So 2 elements to the left of silver is rhodium
and 2 elements to the left of copper is cobalt.
So, can someone verify if a compound alloy mixture of silver with
rhodium and some other elements but chiefly silver and rhodium produces
a Stainless Silver.
Here is where theory runs against practice in that the theory maybe
correct and that an alloy of silver and rhodium yields the **maximum
stainless silver** but for the reality that rhodium is rare and so a
Stainless Silver is going to be rare and expensive.
I would also like to discover a Stainless Copper which is more than 50%
copper alloyed to something that makes it tarnish free such as stainless
steel. Here again, I believe history just stopped looking for Stainless
alloys once stainless steel took over the marketplace.
So if we do this premature theory analogy of 2 elements to the left of
copper we end up with cobalt. Now cobalt, unlike rhodium is not rare. So
if we mix copper of more than 50% copper with cobalt and other metals do
we end up with a Stainless Copper.
Stainless Copper is a must in my consideration for every kitchen. I
collect all of those old Revere ware copper clad pots of stainless steel
because they are undoubtledy the fastest cook up of boiling water. Thin
and copper transfers heat the fastest except silver. And copper looks
pretty when shining.
So, is copper alloyed with cobalt and perhaps some other metals yield a
Stainless Copper???
Is silver of 50% or more alloyed with rhodium and some other metals
yield a Stainless Silver???
Is silver of 50% or more alloyed chiefly with chromium yield a Stainless
Silver???
I want a stainless silver for flatware or silverware to use daily for
eating because silver is a microbe-killer; kills bacteria and fungus
etc. And silver transfers heat better than any other element so some
expensive pots silver clad bottom is desireable.
I would gladly do the research on this except for the fact that I need
extremely high temperatures. The last time I experimented in this I
unluckily vaporized the gold. So I run the risk of vaporizing copper and
silver et al.
But I suspect someone has already done much of the work above and may
not have recognized the importance or has stopped short of realizing the
Stainless quality that is desired.
Also, I need to verify whether the theory of 2 to the left is sufficient
and why it works.
I need to verify by theory that these metal elements all have a
Stainless alloy and why it works. And finally I need to verify in the
theory that a Maximum point of Stainless or tarnish free exists for
these metals since we can define stainless as the inverse of oxidation.
As I remarked earlier, there maybe a Stainless Silver and thus a maximum
Stainless Silver but that its alloys are rare and expensive.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "pete" |
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| Title: Re: a theoretical and practical StainlessSilver and StainlessCopper |
22 Mar 2005 04:56:36 AM |
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
I believe there exists a stainless silver and stainless copper
It's called "German silver".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22german+silver%22
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pete
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| User: "emrecoba" |
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| Title: Re: a theoretical and practical StainlessSilver and StainlessCopper |
21 Mar 2005 07:48:02 PM |
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Hi, I am not quite sure whehter a stainless silver do exist. I guess
you should verify what make copper rust. As to iron, It is the air and
the water in the air. So we coat the iron to keep it from the air.
Maybe the first step is to find the reason why copper or silver rust.
And after all, the compostions you mentioned are too expensive for a
chef .
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