Science > Physics > Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature?
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"Quantum Mirror" |
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12 Aug 2005 01:38:05 PM |
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Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur innature? |
12 Aug 2005 03:19:29 PM |
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Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Hooydonk_G/0/1/0/all/0/1>
He has adopted a decidedly heterodox position, especially when he
demands non-coservation of baryon and lepton numbers. Electrons and
positrons forming singlet and triplet positronum as well as undergoing
direct annihalation is a simple experiment to observe. A molecule of
H-(anti-H) would be similarly liable to experimental observation.
Uncle Al's bet is on the Standard Model.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Kevin Long" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 01:11:10 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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He has adopted a decidedly heterodox position, especially when he
demands non-coservation of baryon and lepton numbers. Electrons and
positrons forming singlet and triplet positronum as well as undergoing
direct annihalation is a simple experiment to observe. A molecule of
H-(anti-H) would be similarly liable to experimental observation.
Uncle Al's bet is on the Standard Model.
BAAWAAAHAHAAAA. Like you know what your talking about?! Before you open
your drooling mouth again, go to a real university first (like I did) and
then come back and give it another try! LOSER!!!
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur innature? |
13 Aug 2005 10:34:33 AM |
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Kevin Long wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:42FD0451.21BFBA6E@hate.spam.net...
He has adopted a decidedly heterodox position, especially when he
demands non-coservation of baryon and lepton numbers. Electrons and
positrons forming singlet and triplet positronum as well as undergoing
direct annihalation is a simple experiment to observe. A molecule of
H-(anti-H) would be similarly liable to experimental observation.
Uncle Al's bet is on the Standard Model.
BAAWAAAHAHAAAA. Like you know what your talking about?! Before you open
your drooling mouth again, go to a real university first (like I did) and
then come back and give it another try! LOSER!!!
Tell us the observed half-lives of singlet and triplet postironium,
and each decay product. We won't tax your chimp brain by demanding
hadron annihalation products.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 10:55:23 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:42FE1309.7099D9A1@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
Idiot.
Androcles
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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13 Aug 2005 08:31:21 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:42FE1309.7099D9A1@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
Idiot.
Androcles
Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis are not of interest to the
world at large. Quite the contrary. You are not even an interesting
laughingstock.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Kevin Long" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 09:47:48 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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Androcles wrote:
[snip crap]
Drooling Idiot.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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14 Aug 2005 11:02:40 AM |
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"Kevin Long" <supermax120@hotmail.com.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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| "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
| news:42FE9EE9.B089B184@hate.spam.net...
| > Androcles wrote:
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[snip crap]
Idiot.
Androcles.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
14 Aug 2005 02:12:46 PM |
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Is "idiot" a Hofstadterian reference to yourself, Oh great "Puller of
thorns from Lions' Paws"?????
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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14 Aug 2005 03:00:02 PM |
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<donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124046766.890809.6580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Is "idiot" a Hofstadterian reference to yourself, Oh great "Puller of
| thorns from Lions' Paws"?????
I'm challenging any relativist phuckwit idiot to a race,
Fastest Photon against Cosmic Muon, level playing field.
Anyone that wants to nobble my muon with time dilation
or length contraction gets the same done to their photon.
Wanna put your Hofstadterian money on the winner so that
we can find out who the real idiots are?
Y'know, put up or shut up, money where your mouth is?
Androcles.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
14 Aug 2005 11:01:46 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:42FE9EE9.B089B184@hate.spam.net...
| Androcles wrote:
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| > "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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| > Idiot.
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| > Androcles
[snip crap]
Idiot.
Androcles.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 10:43:40 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:42FE9EE9.B089B184@hate.spam.net...
| Androcles wrote:
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| > "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
| > news:42FE1309.7099D9A1@hate.spam.net...
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| > Idiot.
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| > Androcles
[snip crap]
Wanna pissing contest, Phuckwit?
I've got more physics in my little finger than you have in that
sea slug of a ***** of yours.
Androcles.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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12 Aug 2005 10:19:31 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:42FD0451.21BFBA6E@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
Idiot.
Androcles
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 01:25:46 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
<http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Hooydonk_G/0/1/0/all/0/1>
He has adopted a decidedly heterodox position, especially when he
demands non-coservation of baryon and lepton numbers. Electrons and
positrons forming singlet and triplet positronum as well as undergoing
direct annihalation is a simple experiment to observe. A molecule of
H-(anti-H) would be similarly liable to experimental observation.
Uncle Al's bet is on the Standard Model.
Good answer Uncle Al. This was why I posted this to get science
viewpoints on such a controversial paper.
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Marvin" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occurin nature? |
13 Aug 2005 12:55:49 PM |
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Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
arxiv allows, even encourages, the posting of comments. Do a seach there with Hooydonk as
author and find the comments. This questionable theory is not relevent to sci.chem.
It is traditional in science to keep debate free of personal attacks. Some of the
postings in this thread ar appaling.
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 01:22:32 PM |
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Marvin wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
arxiv allows, even encourages, the posting of comments. Do a seach there with Hooydonk as
author and find the comments.
I have tried this and found nothing. This is exactly why I posted this
message to find out what others were saying. How do you find these
comments on arxiv?
This questionable theory is not relevent to sci.chem.
"The present absolute proof that natural H-H oscillations exist,
combined with the results in [1], confirms that the dogmatic ban on
natural H in theoretical physics and chemistry will have to be lifted
as soon as possible [1]."
I thought this was relevant to sci.chem
It is traditional in science to keep debate free of personal attacks. Some of the
postings in this thread ar appaling.
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| User: "Marvin" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occurin nature? |
14 Aug 2005 10:35:03 AM |
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Quantum Mirror wrote:
Marvin wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
arxiv allows, even encourages, the posting of comments. Do a seach there with Hooydonk as
author and find the comments.
I have tried this and found nothing. This is exactly why I posted this
message to find out what others were saying. How do you find these
comments on arxiv?
I found a rebuttal in the way I described, just after your posting. Perhaps you didn't
wait long enough.
<snip>
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
14 Aug 2005 03:08:30 PM |
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Marvin wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
Marvin wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
arxiv allows, even encourages, the posting of comments. Do a seach there with Hooydonk as
author and find the comments.
I have tried this and found nothing. This is exactly why I posted this
message to find out what others were saying. How do you find these
comments on arxiv?
I found a rebuttal in the way I described, just after your posting. Perhaps you didn't
wait long enough.
With Hooydonk as author you only find papers by Hooydonk. I have
searched with Hooydonk as subject and full text and found nothing
relevant. Where did you find this comment? Links would be nice.
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 01:32:31 PM |
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Marvin wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
I would like someone to comment on this preprint and absolute proof.
The author also claims that: These unprecedented results also remove
the so-called problem with matter-antimatter asymmetry in the Universe.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0508/0508043.pdf
If you follow the references he also claims to have found errors in the
CERN production of anti-H which would be unprecedented to find such an
error:
Flawing CERN antihydrogen-experiments with the available H-spectrum
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502074.pdf
From the preprint:
This is why, on the basis of the available line spectrum of natural
species hydrogen, CERN-approach must be flawed immediately. With
respect to spectral evidence and history, it appears that it is based
upon an inadequate if not erratic interpretation of available spectra
for both molecular and atomic hydrogen.
As far as history is concerned, poor communication between physicists
and chemists on the interpretation of available spectral data for
N-unit charge systems like atomic and molecular
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
arxiv allows, even encourages, the posting of comments. Do a seach there with Hooydonk as
author and find the comments.
This questionable theory is not relevent to sci.chem.
"To the best of my knowledge, (8) is an unprecedented new result, which
throws
a completely new light on the mechanism responsible for chemical
bonding, especially in prototype molecule H2, completely in line with
our earlier results [1]."
It is traditional in science to keep debate free of personal attacks. Some of the
postings in this thread ar appaling.
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| User: "Attila the Bum" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
12 Aug 2005 01:57:07 PM |
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Quantum Mirror wrote:
[Snip of which I know not]
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
Any more to add in elaboration of the
phrase "chiral behavior"?
Do you mean something other than the
behavior of particles in a mag field
(as in a cloud chamber)?
Atty
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 01:52:56 PM |
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Attila the Bum wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
[Snip of which I know not]
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
Any more to add in elaboration of the
phrase "chiral behavior"?
Do you mean something other than the
behavior of particles in a mag field
(as in a cloud chamber)?
From the paper:
In bound state Hcrit, particle pair electron-proton as well as
antiparticle pair positron-antiproton at
short range do no longer interact exclusively by means Coulomb law,
although they are known to
interact strongly at long range, which is typical for quark behavior. A
symmetric or achiral state in
molecular hydrogen has the same effect on 4 lepton-baryon Coulomb
interactions, which vanish
from the scene exactly by virtue of a very specific structural symmetry
[5]. An important
byproduct of our analysis of atomic and of molecular hydrogen as well
is the important effect of
asymptotic freedom exactly as it is for QCD [5,8]. We conclude
therefore that a quark model like QCD
is needed to understand atomic and molecular hydrogen, the 2 simplest
bound elementary particle
systems, but readily assessable by spectroscopic methods [4,5].
A seemingly speculative but tempting solution for most of these
problems with H is to explore
the connection between quarks and antiparticles. Both are essential to
understand bound states at
short range but they cannot be isolated. At long-range, it proves
impossible to detect or to isolate
quarks or antiparticles as individual particles.
one hell of a statement.
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| User: "Attila the Bum" |
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| Title: Re: Absolute proof that hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations occur in nature? |
13 Aug 2005 02:16:57 PM |
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Quantum Mirror wrote:
Attila the Bum wrote:
Quantum Mirror wrote:
[Snip of which I know not]
hydrogen (the prototype chemical bond) is at the roots of unjust
working hypothesis, the basis of Maybe, working out the connection
between quarks and antiparticles, both needed to explain the chiral
behavior of bound stable composite particles, can lead to a highly
desirable common and more unifying solution
Any more to add in elaboration of the
phrase "chiral behavior"?
Do you mean something other than the
behavior of particles in a mag field
(as in a cloud chamber)?
From the paper:
In bound state Hcrit, particle pair electron-proton as well as
antiparticle pair positron-antiproton at
short range do no longer interact exclusively by means Coulomb law,
although they are known to
interact strongly at long range, which is typical for quark behavior. A
symmetric or achiral state in
molecular hydrogen has the same effect on 4 lepton-baryon Coulomb
interactions, which vanish
from the scene exactly by virtue of a very specific structural symmetry
Mathematically-wise, or instrumentational
observationably-wise, or both?
Atty (Infidels at long range rant, close
range, bleed; same for Great Satan? :-)
[snip ...]
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